The press needs to stop covering events using their fucking iPhones, or any other camera that uses AI up-scaling. I've seen too many stupid conspiracies popping up because the AI up-scaling is fucking up the footage and photos. This has been a known issue for years now and it's only going to get worse now that everyone is starting to look for common mistakes in AI video to look for shit that is fake and gay for the sake of psy-ops. At this point if they keep using AI up-scaled footage it'll be impossible to ever figure out what's real.At this point off the top of my head I'm pretty sure the Kamala plane no crowd reflection photo, the Charlie Kirk assassination ring video and now the Benjamin Netanyahu six finger video, have all been the fault of iPhone up-scaling, and I'm getting tired of nobody knowing about this or pointing it out. The more these hardware manufactures rely on AI up-scaling to make up for shitty lenses and cut costs the worse this problem will get too.
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in the near future all your photos will get censored in real time thanks to AIyou disagree? means you have something to hide , chud
>>108388306do you really expect people (and I say that quite liberally) who can't tell an image is AI even when they're told it is, to even process such small details as that sign?you're deeply overestimating the cognitive skills of the average person
>>108388333No, I'm asking journalists and "journalists" to stop using devices that rely on AI up-scaling, and instead use devices with actual lenses and without AI touch-ups.
many such cases https://www.theverge.com/2023/3/13/23637401/samsung-fake-moon-photos-ai-galaxy-s21-s23-ultra
Is the AI shit happening when the picture is taken or when its uploaded to icloud
>>108388354kek
>>108388379good grief
>>108388367When the picture is taken from a quick search. Don't have an iPhone because I enjoy my Anal Virginity, so I can't personally confirm.
nvidia has no fucking idea what to do with this shit, top fucking kek. it's gonna go the way of vr or 3d printing, at best only useful to a niche (people making anime porn, maybe)
>>108388322>train your model with only data from before 2022what now?
>>108388379>videoWonderful.
>>108388306For any future historians, the Netanyahu video was AICompletely fucked up hands (there were four fingers and a thumb, they just don't look like human fingers and there was some weird artefacting that could be interpreted as a sixth), a coffee that is way too full and weirdly does not spill, a man in the background that freezes for too long. These are but a few artefacts in the video.Netanyahu may or may not be alive right now (probably in hospital), but the video is either fully fake, or manipulated.Text model technology is mature and there is a lot riding on this war.
>>108388462>a coffee that is way too full and weirdly does not spillI lost my shit when I noticed that. He takes quite a sip and nothing fucking happens with the amount of coffee. It was such an odd realization because I was about to call the people sperging about a bunch of schizos. I stand corrected. They were right. I do not think he's dead, though. Probably just hiding his whereabouts, afraid of Iran.
>>108388306Why would the Netanyahu video be recorded on an iPhone? That's the only camera that exists now?
>>108388442stagnation
>>108388476Because fucking everybody uses iPhones now for their professional Journalism. Only people who use actual cameras are film makers and even then, indie film are starting to use iPhones now too.https://archive.ph/JXeF2
>>108388306>AI upscaling is making everything look fakeEverything is fake
>>108388562I don't own a phone at all and carry around an "sjcam" instead. That thing probably doesn't have the CPU to do AI.
>>108388993>le action cammore and worse post processing than any smartphone
>>108388442> already out of data> can't have up to date answerswhat now?
>>108388306iTODDLERS BTFO
>>108388322kessler syndrome but for AIwe are fucking ourselves over before it could even begin
I don't even think that video looks weird due to upscaling. People just get strange now that they know that there could be difficult to spot, near imperceptable clues about a fake video.The cup doesn't spill because it's a flat white or some other microfoam drink, so the top bit has some surface tension. The level of coffee hardly changes because he only takes a tiny sip (because while he is ostensibly relaxed, this is a PR move, as all publications of any world leader are, and he doesn't want foam on his lip or to have to lick his lip, or it's too hot, but he needs to be seen drinking some of it), but you can see he did drink some because the floret is disturbed. AI video models wouldn't get that tiny detail right but the level wrong.Eventually though, something is going to happen where all images are no longer trustworthy. Ask yourself though, is that a new thing? Have we been using images as a source of truth for a long time already? Have they been able to be faked before now? They have.This is a little different because it's happening to video. They might create some kind of hardware attestation camera. Not sure. Whoever's in charge of that would be in a very important position for defining truth and evidence.
>>108389455Actually, to say a little more, have videos been all that trustworthy, despite us trusting them for so long?How hard is it to hire actors? How hard is it to create a set?Sure, it seems unlikely governments would do this. But if you think it's just their will stopping them, that should stop them from using AI video manipulation too.It's not a matter of money either. Sets and actors are expensive, but so are training AI models.
>>108389463As a wise man once said;Worldwide Communist Gangster Computer God scum-on-top staged like Hollywood with plastic pale stand-in actors with Communist Gangster Computer God speed recording instantaneous, simultaneous edited-simulated voices; implanted for all TV and news media microphones in any known language! Unbelievable con-artist Gangsterism, solely for the Overall Plan: WORLD- WIDE ETERNAL FRANKENSTEIN LIVING-DEATH SLAVERY!
>>108388306> don't improve anything physical just slap AI processing onto ityou know what you bought dumb dumb
>>108388306I still have cameras from a decade ago, not because I'm a retroomer, but because cellphone cameras were garbage. They improved then became worse again, maybe intentionally. Someday Apple will make picture quality worse with end of life updates on older phones, not just battery life and performance.
>>108389446I think its more of a circular human centipede sort of setup
>>108388379lol
>>108388462>>108388475You're forgetting the 2nd video where it was even worse. A ring visibly on his hand, and then it just disappears. It's not even "oh, it's low quality, it's just artifacts", no, the entire video was high quality, and his ring his disappears.Whatever AI made his videos were "much better" than what's available right now in public, but it's still fucking dogshit.I too thought it was brown cope saying he was dead, but it's really glaring.
>>108388379@gronk israel???
>>108388367when it's takeneven when using RAWyou will only get fake pixelsyou will be happy
>>108388306didn't the kyle rittenhouse case got evidence thrown out because the ipad that recorded the video was doing some aggressive upscaling on low light conditions and just making shit up?
I assume this was prompted by the Bibi videos.It's bizarre because it's possible that the videos were genned with AI completely, and it's possible it's real but shot with a fucking iPhone, and everything in between.If Bibi is not dead, this will hopefully be a turning point in this practice. The fucking state of Israel trying to quell fears that their head of state is dead shouldn't be done with an iPhone.
>>108389419>>108388379iDROIDS BTFO
HOLLMM X-DDD
this looks more like agressive de-noising than AI
>>108391063Its not just Bibi
>>108391311it is. phone camera sensors are really noisy, so most phone employ agressive denoising as well as other things like sharpening which can produce results like that even well before this current ai stuff came around
>>108388442They're resorting to synthetic data because they've exhausted the old data sources.
>>108391311>>108391660its not only that they are noisy, its that the pixels are so fucking small, smaller than the difraction limit, which fucks the photos, we need procesign to make a decent photo
>>108392248is "procesign" a typo? i'm torn between assuming you meant processing, but it also looks like a word someone would use for something, but a quick search doesn't make it obvious
>>108388306beating a dead horse anon, real technologists were all over this back in the early 2020s.
>>108392274yesdeconvolution and shit, if you want to go on specificsthose were made for astronomy, we can get photos way way better than the theoretical phisical limits. after all the information is there, we just need to adjust how the phisics "blurs" itof course this is not easy, and much less to do so in real time, so what it is in phones are neural networks trained somewhat and guessing, not doing it properly
>>108388434stop putting nvidia on blast bro
>>108392629Why? Are you holding Nvidia stock?
>>108389446It was foolish to assume a copypasta bot was some kind of intelligence to begin with. LLMs are just chatbots that impress dumb boomer investors that can't answer their own emails.
>AI processingjesus fucking christ normies are retarded
>>108388462>there were four fingers and a thumb, they just don't look like human fingers and there was some weird artefacting that could be interpreted as a sixthThe four fingers were a frame with a motion blur and the sixth finger looks like his palm. His skin got wrinkled because his old. Obviously that video was filmed in a bunker, upscaled and overproduced.It's funny that this shit even triggered ANY kind of reply from Bibi, because the original wave of comments was clearly botted. The boomers running the Israeli agencies have no understanding of the Internet, got baited by trolls and now the theory has gone mainstream.>>108388475Because he actually doesn't takes a sip from the coffee. He makes it look as if he does, but it's all acting.I remember in the second video there was cut after he drunk, showing his face clean in the next frame. The location is real, so are the surrounding details in it, so why he would be fake? Every AI parody of that video looked infinitely worse, more blurry and had more pronounced artifacts.Bibi's retarded PR team has no concept of making a casual "home video" so it always something edited and overproduced. It doesn't have to be "iPhones Journalism" as OP implies. They probably thrown the source video into at least three filters because "Muh 4K so clean!" type of logic.
>>108389196>worse post processingSo better.Bad post processing just looks like shit, modern post processing is hallucinated bullshit.
>>108388306Solution: Use a real fucking camera, retard.
>>108391007IIRC they went out of their way to use upscaling on the video because the stuff they wanted to examine was simply too small in the original video to be able to make anything out.
>>108388322aka
>>108393597oh right, they were doing the ENHANCE meme by pinching on an ipad and somebody had to explain the boomer judge how scaling works but it would've gone just as bad on any other device.
>>108393297Least obvious JIDF shill. You guys are getting really sloppy.
>>108393366that's what op is saying, did you even read?
>>108388379I'm so fucking tired man.
>>108393882>least obvious Vatnik cooperatorI just don't see how Bibi being dead or alive is really going to change the outcome of the conflict.Like, what would I achieve by "convincing" you or the next anon that he's alive?Most Isaeli's support the war, so the opposition will just be like "thanks god he's gone, now lets continue", and his supporters will only be turn on even more by his death. It's isn't going to change Americas participation either since they got in mainly to sabotage Irans oil trade with China.And if he's really dead, so what?He's not a military general. You people really overestimating his value.
>>108393938tel aviv is getting bombed nightly and you're tired
>>108393344>>worse post processing>So better.No, worse.
>>108388367When it's taken. My TCL phone does this even though it's a weak piece of shit so the camera app stalls and lags plus the phone gets hot and loses battery fast, all so it can fuck up my photos. Like I took a picture of a sign in the distance with some prices I could reference later - perfectly readable in the view finder as the photo was taken but when I went to consult it later it fucking AIed random smooth+sharp bullshit in place of the grainy numbers. No way to disable it. Makes me really angry.
>>108395750get a third party camera app
>>108388306>just see the raw camera outputSure thing bro, here's your raw bayer sensor data.What's wrong? This is exactly what you asked for right?
>>108396043fucking retarded luddites don't know shit as usual, you tell them bro
>>108388379>>108388401>>108388446>>108390043>>108390705>>108391125>>108393938that's not even a texture of the moon, its the auto exposure adjusting and those patterns are the dirt on the lamp, it's darker at the bottom because dirt and moisture accumulated there.
>>108388306In response, Apple is going to train their post processing model on high resolution photos of the hollywood sign and it will insert a fake, high resolution one if it detects that's what you photographed.Phone cameras are a joke, the raw signal you get from them is a disaster.
>>108396043Even if you create a viewable file at the same time, more and more it's worth actually saving that so it can be revisited in the future with programs that aren't pure garboleum.Debayering doesn't completely change the letters of a sign. Done badly, at worst you'll get colour fringing. Completely making up sections of the image is inexcusable.
>>108396080THIS.There are documented cases of phone photo processing overlaying the moon on random spots of light. If you're going to mock it (you should), at least use a real example.
my lumia 1020 would have never
>>108395984I like open camera
>>108397721Open camera sucks but I use it
>>108397897What sucks about it?
>>108388306iPhone photos have always been complete ass made from ugly noise, I'm honestly shocked that people are just now noticing.
>>108392735Maybe I would buy nvidia if they put the frog back on the box
>>108396388Seriously. I want a phone with a bigger sensor (this has been possible for a decade) and NO SLOP
>>108395984>>108397897>>108397911Details look like blurry ass compared to stock after I installed Lineage and put OpenCamera on. I tried some GCam shit and it just keeps crashing. I hate phones. Someone give me an actual solution, please.
>>108388322how is this going to collapse when we literally have image edit models now that will correct certain pixels and not the whole image?picrel, notice the face doesn't change, just the targeted pixels
>>108399218 (me)forgot pic
ai this, ai that, shut the fuck up already, you can complain all day and there's nothing you can do about it, ai is here to stay, deal with it
>>108397911It's shit. It can't/won't pull resolution and framerate options the native camera app supports. The only benefit is it can actually use external mics.
>>108388562With DLSS 5 you could turn that microphone into a benis :DDDfug :DDDDD
>>108399295Yes Goy, don't complain when AI makes things worse. Simply accept your phone race swapping a politically correcting your photos in a year.
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>>108388306i dont even know how to turn off the ai polishing on my 3+ yo samsung. I once took a photo of a nice rug to show family that i bought, and it made it look an entire tier higher than in real fucking life.And i was showing them the pic because i wanted them to see a legitimate image of the rug, i didn't want to show off a fake variation. Still dunno how to fix it.
>>108388306Is the answer just to buy a regular camera?Phones are just slop bricks now anyway.
>>108400417Use a secondary camera app
>>108400511Yes, until camera companies decide it's cheaper to give you shitty lenses and AI filters just like your phone. If it's not already this bad then it might be necessary to research any camera you might want to buy to see if it relies on upscaling or other post processing to give you photos the quality that they advertise.
>>108394095>conflictI don't think he's dead either but it's not a conflict. It's the eternal struggle of humanity against evil (jews), we are living to see another peak in that struggle
>>108388476Plausible deniability.
Just go back to DSLR/Mirrorless.
>>108388379>>108388401>>108388446>>108390043>>108391125>>108393938Unironic nophoto brownies still living in Plato's cave discovering LIVE what auto exposure and dynamic range are.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exposure_(photography)
>>108396080Exactly, how retarded do you have to be to think that light looks anything like the moon.Have you morons never looked up at night?
>>108402090>Have you morons never looked up at night?Don't do this, the moon's light is just reflected sunlight, you will go blind.
ITT dumb niggers
>>108388354Ironically Samsung lets you shoot in raw which isn't possible on iPhones.Yeah they added a silly gimmick but you can turn it off unlike Apple's super aggressive post-processing.
>>108402116Except during a new moon, then it's reflected earthlight, which is cool.
>>108402116Don't look at the grass during the day. The green color is reflected sunlight, you will go blind!
>>108402157Don't look at incandescent lights.It sunlight absorbed by trees that fell down and got buried and over millions of years turned into coal which got dug up and burned to make steam that turns a generator which pushes sunlight via a copper wire to you home where it gets ejaculated through the light bulbs.That's why incandescent light are hot like the sun unlike LED's that run on nuclear power.
>>108400701dont waste your time talking to the indian that works for the jidf, he is barely a human
>>108388379weirdest looking moon I've ever seen
>>108388306>and now the Benjamin Netanyahu six finger videoWait a second.... you believe that Israel records official statements of their president with an iPhone?Look at the left flag.
>>108396080>>108396166>>108402090The light overexposes the sensor, so there is no way for the cam to spot dirt on the turned on bulb, no matter how much software adjustment it does.>but but it doesn't look like the real moonOf course, because its an AI hallucinated moon, done by some shit ass model running on a phone. Why would you expect accuracy?
>>108400682Nearly all "mirrorless" cameras do some corrections for distortion, vignetting and chromatic aberration. Some have built in noise reduction that can't be turned off even in RAW but none are as bad as phone cameras doing their HDR and upscaling as standard as far as I'm aware.
>>108388306Smartphone cameras have had color correcting and skin smoothing for 10 years.
>>108402590>what is shutter speed?You think a night shot is too bright for a phone camera to handle?You think those lights are brighter than normal daylight conditions?Note the background turns completely black as the camera adjusts its exposure, this is clearly just the auto-exposure doing its thing.
>>108402638Color corrections are perfectly fine, all photographs need processing even analogue film.Skin smoothing is retarded but removes details instead of hallucinating shit that isn't there.Adding AI slop really is a new step.
>>108402590>The light overexposes the sensor, so there is no way for the cam to spot dirt on the turned on bulb, no matter how much software adjustment it does.you're dumb. That light is much much dimmer than an outdoor scene in sunlight.
>>108388353do you really consider journalists and "journalists" to have the cognitive ability required to understand what you're talking about?
>>108402590I have an S23U which has the AI moon thing and lets you take pictures in RAW. RAWs of the moon look the exact same as the AI enhanced ones except they're blurry as shit, so it somehow is actually accurate. Is it fake? Yes, but it's not necessarily just superimposing a random image of the moon onto the low-detail one like everyone says it does.
>>108403216No but I would like people who might understand what I'm saying to realize this is a problem, and bitch to their friends about it, who eventually bitch to the press so they can very indirectly hear that using their phones to cover events and film promo material is making people angry for reasons they refuse to understand.Basically I want them to hear me bitching at them 2nd or 3rd hand.
>>108389446these AI models were never the answer to begin with. a real AGI would not need a supercomputer to learn anything
>>108400392Now make it turn that description back into an image. Then loop it 500 times.
>>108402619HDR on phones has kind of gotten better in the past few years on Android and I think iOS handled HDR this way years before Android did. Newer Android phones now have support for HDR images and it behaves like HDR video does. It sounds like a stupid bullshit gimmick but it actually fixes the uncanny tonemapped look of smartphone pictures taken with HDR on because it just gets rid of the need for tonemapping entirely. HDR photos are the one thing smartphones are unequivocally better at because there are very few phones nowadays that don't come with an OLED that can easily sustain 1000+ nits across the entire panel, it's just that said photos fall apart when you zoom in.
>>108389455yeah the video was obviously real to me since i make foamy coffees a lot. too many retards are on the internet now so everything has to be a conspiracy
>>108388379you dirty nigger indian have you literally NEVER SEEN THE MOON BEFORE
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>>108388306>jews mentionedOP is a fucking glowie
>>108402131
>>108388306I'm not saying that this is intentional....But it is undeniable that multiple organizations and interest groups benefit greatly from making the truth harder to distinguish from frabrications.If auto-enabled ai-powered, photo upscaling adds AI artifacts to otherwise legit photos, while at the same time image generation gets more realistic,then it gets basically impossible to determine whats fake and what isn't.Any legit photo with AI upscaling artifacts can get dismissed as "fake".Any fake (or doctored) photo with AI image-gen artifcats can get excused with "phone cameras enshittify stuff by default, just cause there's artifacts doesn't mean that its fake".And the worst part is that it largely doesn't even matter if there's a definite way to differentiate the two, most people won't know about it and the effect of obfuscating the truth is still mostly intact.
>>108399069Thanks guys, I'm gonna go buy an iPhone and kill myself.
>>108399069>>108405803Here's your (you).Go buy a fucking camera. They make cameras with real lenses, including digital cameras with actual lenses, and you can buy them. If you have the drive and technical know-how, you can use them too! I know, it's a rough concept to understand. Everything is a phone to you, but in the before times, we used to have separate gadgets for separate functions, and even now having specialized equipment for a single task usually makes it better for that single task if only so that can be a selling point for buying one instead of just a phone. Perhaps I'm out of the loop or not with it but having gadgets that perform a single function for a specific industry art or analysis can sometimes even boost performance with their simplicity, just in the beauty of eliminating distractions and shedding vestigial and ancillary "features" that have no business in a professional device meant for actual meaningful utility and performance. Like removing the TV screen from a car and replacing the infotainment +subscription +tip with something like physical buttons that you can navigate by feel while driving. Insane I know, but you can own an operate even an automobile that doesn't have a phone installed in it! Sure you give up a navigation system integrated in the dash, but you also give up direct on dash advertising when you don't subscribe to onstar premium plus!Maybe some day I'll be proven wrong and having your tricorder comm-link infotainment vehicle and blowjob dispenser will prove to be the optimal method of performing any given task, but at present, if you want quality equipment it's best to buy something actually designed to do what you're trying to do.
>>108406575It's so confusing seeing zoomers freak out about phone cameras as if phone camera were ever good in the first place. It's for taking ugly selfies not for photography.
>>108404977Propaganda nowadays isn't about giving people fake news; the fake news exists, but the official propaganda channels never report it. Instead, they just tell you that the mainstream media cannot be trusted (since that's pretty much true) so you might as well pick a news story at random, and then they know that 50% of people will pick the fake news that way. I remember watching Russia Today on TV when the Ukraine invasion started, because I wanted to see how they were covering it. They didn't mention it at all, but all their news stories were stuff like "the mainstream media doesn't want you to know THIS about Joe Biden!!!" and "the EU have banned anyone from reporting this truth about immigration!!"Once you can make people disbelieve the official story (and again, that's easy as shit), you can get your allies to put out any old shit and nobody will question it. The Russians are the best in the world at this; they've been doing it for decades.
>>108388442never improves
>>108402590Nigger, what is shutter speed? What is ISO? What is aperture? What is the exposure triangle?Phones have fixed apertures, but their small sensors are insensitive as fuck so they usually crank up ISO very high even under sunlight. Turn down ISO, increase shutter speed and you have it.I forgot 99% of people here have never done actual photography, just point and shoot at stuff in auto and try to give their niggerlicious opinion on something that's been figured out in the late 19th century.
>>108404379Kill cafself
>>108407834castrating yourself will save your lifea man can be a womancovid vax will stop the spreadlooking into covid origin makes you racistmath is racistscience is racistdoing your own research is racistall these are hallmarks of russian racist assets
>>108407282>as if phone camera were ever good in the first placeCope
Cameras are so much less than iPhones, just stop buying the corporate junk, please
>>108388306We must make fake pixels illegal in phones and cameras or at least null and void as evidence.
>>108407834> Muh RussiaLMAO
>>108402131iJEET SAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
>>108388306Not an issue on my Sony Xperia phoneStill got headphone jack, SD slot and full screen with bezels.If only GrapheneOS was compatible it would be the almost perfect phone, only issue is lack of removable battery
>>108388306Are we just sandbagging the fact that at best AI is immediately going over pictures the second you take them, and at worst just scraping all visual data when the camera is active???
>>108396080Enjoy.
>>108388306>AI upscaling is making everything look fakeBuy a Canon IXUS70 or any digital camera from the 00s for that matter and you will realise how fake and gay smart phone cameras are. The post-processing makes everything look synthetic.
>>108411914Now you can see the difference. The phone auto exposes and makes surface details visible on the moon. Then after the photo is taken, AI slop processing takes place.
>>108388306the point of AI upscaling is to make photos bigger without actual higher res sensors, thus pushing users to think they need more storageI take most of my photos in 640x480 unless I have a reason to want high resolution
