[Serious]Digital foundry apologizes having wrong opinion about dlss5 demo, promises to never repeat the mistake[YouTube] DF Direct Q+A: The Big DLSS 5 ML Debate + Why We Should Have Waited With Our Coverage (embed)Digital foundry[DF from now on] were the first few to see the dlss5 demo live. They released their first impression to the demo before the nvidia keynote had even ended. They were enthusiastic about the the possibilities of the technology. Sadly the pc graphics enthusiast community had different opinion, they hated it.After tens of thousand of dislike button presses and lot of patreon cancellations, DF from now on promises to not give their opinion without weaving in the prevailing public opinion.
apology videohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dTTfjBAFzc
>>108399535They stopped being trustworthy a long time ago.
>We promise to wait until the public opinion has settled in so we can then parrot it, giving people what they want to hear instead of having our own opinion even if that opinion is dumbI mean I get why they would do that if they want to stay in business but it's just sad. I'd rather have a bad honest opinion than a non-opinion.
>>108399535No1curr.Digital Foundry has always been shills that have no idea what the fuck they're talking about.
>>108399535They really niggered themselves with that video.
>>108399627the problem is their opinion has been paid for dum dum
>>108399655Nvidia didn't pay them shit supposedly.
>>108399673That makes it even worse then.>They shill it for free.
>>108399673companies give (((incentives))) to have the More Correct™ opinion.
cowards
>>108399673They get their money from patreon and youtube bux mostly I think.The promise of those is now you get to be independent. But really you aren't, if you hurt the fee fees of your subscribers they will cancel.Because of that Digital Foundry is now forced to do this humiliation ritual for their subscribers.
This was a mini 9/11 for me. A personal Boston marathon maybe. Is John even in this video?The worst part of the situation is all three main guys knew about DLSS5 but didn't tell John at all before publishing. It shows they knew John would have a different opinion about it and didn't trust him to strike a professional tone or whatever, so they just excluded him. That means theres a "group chat minus John" floating out there like in that Smiling Friends episode. How do you repair the trust after that?
>>108399753>all three main guys knewall three besides John, that is. He's a main guy too I meant to say
I respect them for their FPS & resolution testing videos where they present objective data from objective measurements, but in matters of taste these are the people who enjoy "bespoke" motion blur, think a """smooth""" 30FPS is a perfectly good way to play 3D, action-oriented video games and who tend to gush about dogshit UE5 technology. Is it even a surprise that they'd like this uncanny DLSS5 dogshit too?
>>108399535>not give their opinion without weaving in the prevailing public opinionThis is LTT/TechLinked in a nutshell. They just blindly parrot mainstream opinion in hopes it will give them clicks by circlejerking hivemind.
>>108399535Negative opinions on DLSS 5 are astroturfed by an alliance of AMD and chinese companies developing their own GPUs and knowing they are decades behind Nviida at this point
>>108399627You're the one parroting "oh my god innovation and anything new is good because its new".Neck yourself honestly, this kind of ignorant narcissism is like, something you should be killed over to be frank.
>>108399627YEAH THAT'S RITE, YOU GIVE ME WHAT I WANT TO HEAR.
>>108399673it's not always money, if you badmouth them they blacklist you and you dont get early review samples and morehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiekGcwaIho
>>108399777lolNegative opinions on DLSS5 come naturally because the end result looks like shitty instagram filters in static shots and in motion it makes the characters look like some fucking wax sculptures come to life.
>>108399822It was just a comment about parroting.DLSS5 clearly wasn't ready for production, on that I agree. Right now they give developers just a few sliders they can tweak, which is an opposite of creative control. Developers should be able to define exactly how character looks, per each character.Also I don't really see the point of using it for realistic images, the power of AI is clearly better used for an oil painting that come alive and other stuff that's almost impossible to render traditionally. But that's my opinion.
>>108399627>consumers of content are mindless clapping seals with no brain of their ownjust because you are a sub 100 IQ moron doesn't mean everybody else in the world is too
>>108399732And the thing is. Creating this humiliation ritual video will make them lose even more subs.Stand behind your opinions or don't give them at all.
>>108399875>DLSS5 clearly wasn't ready for productionMore like "hey we need people to watch our keynote, just make up some slapdashed AI filter videos to showcase the next iteration of DLSS, what's the worst that could happen??
>>108399810Yeah early reviews come with stipulations. I know journalists do this too and also suck but there's still a difference between a reputable (lol) journalist working somewhere and getting access to an early review or early copy of a thing and a random guy with a patreon getting an email about a sponsorship. I think now is a good time for people to think about what happens when the only accountability you have in your "career" is not getting the next email for a sponsor or your patreon bucks running low. Your channel just becomes a game of tug of war between patreon simps and sponsors, neither of which particularly care about the truth.
>>108399535Buy an ad.
>>108399535Apology accepted, RichardHowever, we now know that you enjoy the look of instathots
>>108399535>make millions on youtube>have busted as fuck yellow teethgo to a dentist fuck
>>108399911idk if you've read/seen this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLsCoqwpvCwbut it's quite grim
>>108399627some of the replies to this are giving me psychic damage. people are so eager to astroturf they aren't even reading what they're replying to.
>>108399535so i watched both videosfirst one - OMG< THIS IS THE BEST SHIT EVER, JENSENS COCK TASTES SO GOODsecond one - OMG THIS IS SHIT I DONT KNOW WHY THEY EVEN SHOWED IT NOWLMAO, these guys are the worst shills ever, at least maintain your oppinion even if it was a bad one, everyone hates a dishonest whore
>>108399929DLSS 5 LOOKS LIKE FUCKING SHITYOU FUCKINGRETARD
>>108399627This. Did they admit that they only praised it to stay in Nvidia's good graces? No? Then what the fuck are you apologizing for? Your "honest" opinion?
>>108399627It is quite literally that, just zero integrity, DF saw even more of what they showed us and they were absolutely loving it.
>>108399535what phenotype is this
So instead of honest technical review, they bowed down to cult ideology? >>108399627>tech review that I disagree based upon ideology is bad
>>108399934>second one - OMG WE DONT WANT TO BE KILLED.. OK OKAY THIS IS BAD, HERE JUST AS YOU WANTED!!!
>>108399535Mugshot aesthetique
>>108399766For some reason I enjoy the motion blur in doom 2016. I agree with everything else you said though desu
>>108399535Someone post the starwars game clip.
>>108399535>>After tens of thousand of dislike button presses and lot of patreon cancellations, DF from now on promises to not give their opinion without weaving in the prevailing public opinion.Lol so they committed wrongthink. How dare you like something. Cowards and pussies and faggots. Done with them.
2kliksphilip is the only non-coward in this entire fucking industry FUCK THESE COWARDS
DLSS 5 is objectively incredible from a technological point of view. DF is a channel dedicated to tech autism, not art and creativity.
never again is Now
It's all good until subscriber and patreon money stops flowing. Get on the hate train and get that subscriber money back asap. You know how hard it is to compete with the AI sloppa already.
>>108400738The only one worth anything It'll always be fuck video gamer faggots forever
We all know who it is. Gamers Nexus faggots and Hardware Unboxed faggots. They hated LTT faggots for posting their bullshit all over the internet and acting like Linus is god and what he says goes but now they do the same and anything Steve and Steve don't like is evil and needs to be attacked. FUCK THEM ALL THEY CAN ALL GO EAT SHIT
DF homos forgot to remind their audience that they've been around sucking industry cock for a very long time. That colors their perception of new tech and makes them more excited about what could be in the future, even if what's actually shown looks like cum-soaked shit. Their excitement is reasonable, but they explain it poorly which is a significant issue for a self proclaimed media outlet
>>108400879these "youtuber" faggots don't play games... like-at-all, so of course they have to listen to their audience when they are out of touch about blurry myopia inducing latency ridden garbage, and other bullshit what registers as "most exciting developments in recent years" to balding bespectacled cock muching fags
>>108400984It would be understandable if they were excited for what it could be in the future, but they were praising the hell out of what NVIDIA showed and that is baffling, I understand that stuff like DLSS 5 will most likely be the future of graphics in some way or another but they stuff they had to show looked really bad in general.
>>108399543the thumbnail looks like a mugshot
I was hoping they tell every expert who only watched a youtube video about dlss 5 that they have brain damage to tell people who used it live that they're wrong for having an opinion.Literally, " you have severe brain trauma and theres nothing anyone can do about it. Seek help. " was my preferred response from DF.But I understand they are the ones who have to deal with the email spam and youtube comments section so.
rich is absolutely seethingthe other fat guy is just doubling down
"we are sorry for being the only people that showed it was running on two 5090s""we are sorry we were impressed with what we saw""we are sorry we didn't act with total disgust and release a video of us shitting and pissing all over the monitors screaming THIS IS WHY RAM COSTS $900 BTW BRO""we are sorry for slurpmaxxing, glazing, and gigasimping" WE HERE AT NVIDIA FOUNDRY ARE SORRYPLEASE LIKE AND SUBSCRIBE TO OUR YOUTUBE OUR PATREON OUR ONLYFANS AND DONATE TO OUR MONZO AND REVOLUT ACCOUNTSWE ARE SORRY*ENGLISH APOLOGY NOISES*
The fact that they are groveling this hard proves how reliant they are on patreon money.If they were just completely paid Nvidia shills they wouldn't have to do this.
>>108401316 its the overwhelming amount of shitposts from tiktok zoomersyou actually need someone to manually handle the communication channels and its burdensome
>>108401316They are """"""independent"""""" internet media and that just means being a slave to your patreon/substack subscribers today
MY BOY BACK WITH A BANGERTHE ONLY UNCOWARD https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUxsmp8iojY
>>108401573I checked some threads on /v/ and all threads about dlss 5 were 50% generic spam messages to derail the discourceSo thats interesting.
>>108400752What exactly is incredible about slapping gen AI shit on top of a video game and hiding what the models actually look like? The fact that it's real-time, I guess? It even requires a 2nd 5090 to run at this point, if that's the performance budget they're looking at it's hard to imagine even the "optimized" version running well.
>>108401573THIS VIDEO IS KINO AS FUCKHE CALLS NVIDIA FOUNDRY COWARDS HE CALLS OUT AMDUNBOXEDHE CALLS OUT DRAMANEXUS FUCK EVERYBODY AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>108401613brother, you can only post this sort of misinformation in /iemg/ or some shit without feeling ashamed about your thirdie-tier reactionaryism and illiteracy.
>>108400752>DF is a channel dedicated to tech autism, not art and creativity.it used to be now they better check that some faggot with an anime pfp isn't offended by what they think of their autism first
>>108401639So you're saying you're a retard with no way to support your argument? Understandable.
>>108401669t.
I wish theres some permanent record of these people on reddit/twitter shitting on dlss5 and then see if they enable it later when they get a new gpu and start sending death threats to them too, for fairness sake
>>108401685Gamers being hypocritical faggots? Impossible
>>108399535>DF from now on promises to not give their opinion without weaving in the prevailing public opinionIt's the fact that this was their takeaway that lets you know their analysis isn't worth shit. They shouldn't have needed to ask the audience if the porn filter looks like shit, they should've seen it with their eyeballs>they genuinely believed this was lighting tech and not genai
>>108401713tf you talking about they said it was gen ai and so did jensen on stage
>>108401713>>they genuinely believed this was lighting tech and not genaiWhat? Did you watch the original video? They were fully aware it's generative AI.
>>108399766>tend to gush about UE5alex ensures us the UE5 stutter struggle is real and awful
>>108399913forgive him, he's bri'ish
>>108401730Confession: I skimmed itI know at one point one of them said that this wasn't touching any assets, it's *just* lighting
>>108401757It isn't touching assets, it's generative AI. It uses the rendered image as base. They knew that.
I dont think you understand what word generative means
>>108399785he literally said nothing like that you histrionic little queerbate lol
>>108399822>Negative opinions on DLSS5 come naturally because the end result looks like shitty instagram filtersBUT PEOPLE LIKE THESE SHITTY INSTAGRAM FILTERS, THAT'S WHY ALL THE INSTAGRAM MODELS ARE DOING IT
>>108402835idk man, no one likes those ridiculous painted-on eyebrows either, but good luck getting women to stop doing it
>>108401756>he's bri'ishnot forgivable
>>108402835Mcdonalds sells 2 billion hamburgers a year but you'll never hear anyone claim to like them. It's self aggrandizing and virtue signaling all the way down.
>>108402911I love them, but I grew up eating kosher so I have a thing for cheap shitty fast food because it was lacking from my childhood. I'm a jew with a goyslop addiction and its more common then you think.
has some psychologist analyzed the internet discussion and come up with convenient terms for these behaviorsThe tech applies to everything in a game, it works in games with zero faces or humans yet the talking point about some face looking odd overwhelms the discussion to the point where youd think this tech literally only applies to faces. So thats strange.
>>108402925>shitty>goyslopYou felt compelled to devote 90% of your comment to assuring people that you know they're actually bad. That's what I'm talking about.
>>108402950>autist discovers that real humans pay a lot of attention to faces
>>108399673You don't get paid in cash, you get paid in access. It's not even up for debate that DF have an unusually close relationship with Nvidia. They're always namedropping people they know and are friends with over there, and regularly get access that no other outlet does. Games """""journalism""""" has always been about making the right friends and doing what's necessary to keep them happy. Nothing has changed in 40 years on that front, and it's not surprising that Rich is fine with it as he dates back to near the start of the industry.
>>108402958I have played video games in the past. Im aware video games usually arent about staring at a face.Have you played video games in the past? How was it? Did you spend 100% of your time looking at close ups of npc faces?
>>108401685Anti-tech people should be banned from using the tech they claim to hate forever.
>>108399822More like just a part of the leftist tranny political cult programming
>>108400752bro, tiktok and instagram and your iphone cam app have AI filters built in.This was technologically impressive maybe 10 years ago. It surely isn't know.And creating shit that isn't there, by hallucinating make-up, died hair, and changing eye color, is a big NONO.If you look at it from a tech-only perspective, this is a giant red flag. You can't just make up shit, you have to represent what you are given, otherwise a complete failure.
>>108403210you can consider that all games try to have the best visual look they can produce, but the technological constraints limit themThey want to have a better relfection but they need to use SSR to up the fpsThey want better face rendering but its too demanding, the engine doesnt have built in functions to accomplish everything or it might require endless amount of tweaking per face. Dlss 5 allows the devs to reach closer to what they want in a cheap way. Basically all footage I saw from starfield is elevated by toggling on dlss5The ac shadows footage has no negatives. Hogwarts environments always look better with dlss 5
>>108402835They are doing it because it hides their imperfections. Similar to how women use frontal light to hide wrinkles.It doesnt mean that they like the wax figure look, it only means that they like it MORE than a realistic pic that shows all their pimples, wrinkles, cellulite,...A gaym doesn't need such a filter. If your character model has a pimple you dont want, you can remove it from the model.
>>108403225>Dlss 5 allows the devs to reach closer to what they want in a cheap wano it doesn't, because it doesnt gove you a choice. You want your woman without make-up, because its a grieving scene? Bad luck, DLSS 5 adds mascara, and you have no way to stop it from doing it.
>>108403264The team who implemented it for graces game chose different options than people who did it for starfield or ac shadowsFor the future just ignore grace face and look at all the other footage.
>>108399535Lol I gave up on them after they just uploaded a literal 10 minute Switch 2 ad. When I say ad I don't mean the DF crew just sung the Switch 2's praises; I mean it was a 10 minute infomercial produced BY Nintendo that they paid DF to publish.
>>108403225Your reply is unrelated to the discussion you replied to.The argument was that DLSS5 would be technologically impressive, and that nerds are hyped about it because of the technological progress, rather than the question whether or not it is an improvement.This got disproven by the simple fact that AI image and video filters exist on a variety of platforms for almost 10 year already.So DLSS5 is no technological achievement whatsoever.
>>108403275There are no such options, you can merely choose some saturation settings, but you can not stop it from adding make-up to women.It is the exact opposite of your argument:DLSS5 takes artistic choices away from the developer and turns everything into a samey slop.
>>108399785gosh, you're retarded
>>108403285Why am I reading this>you can render things for a picture>this means doing it in a ms or two for real time video games isnt new
>>108403299You never saw those videos of asian cam whores, where the AI filter turns off for a second because they look away, exposing how ugly they are without filter?All those cam whores have real-time AI filters.Congrats, you only nees two 5090 to achieve what any cheap camwhore can do.
>>108403278*they paid IGN to publishthis was before they went independent
>>108403312can you just stick to talking about video games
>>108403322i thought the claim was that its technological progress?So you take an AI filter any camwhore can run on a phone in real time, somehow make it so ridiculously inefficient that you need two 5090 to run it on your PC and do it with video game footage rather than webcam footage.Where is the technological progress again? It seems like a regression. You are LESS efficient at doing something thats already a thing for a decade.
>>108403341https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/forums/rtx-technology-dlss-dxr/37/583738/dlss-5-faq/
>>108402911i like mcdonalds cheeseburgersthey're too expensive now tho
>>108399535They're acting like the issue is that everyone disagrees with their impressed reaction to the AI tech. That's not it, the issue is that they proved beyond any doubt how much NVIDIA shills they are. Even if you genuinely like how realistic DLSS5 makes the graphics look, it still has very obvious problems. It made all the characters in Hogwarts Legacy look 20 years older, it washed out the lighting so everything looked like it was taking place during overcast weather, in Starfield it was basically a brightness boost.But they didn't mention any of that! They didn't mention any of the obvious shortcomings that were plainly visible in the video. If they had said "We're very impressed by this tech but there are some issues, especially in the way may boost brightness and contrast, and in some cases alter the characteristics of some face models so that they look older," it would not be the big controversy that it is. It's so obvious to everyone they just repeated the NVIDA copy.
>>108403355That doesn't answer the question, anon.Where is the progress that you are so amazed abouty?
>>108403375 I might buy a new gpu in 2028 after the memory crisis is over and get a better visuals by toggling on an option in a game
>>108403384If you like the AI slop style, i am sure there is a way to apply a camwhore filter to your video game stream already.You do not have to wait and you do not have to buy new hardware to.The only reason why nobody thought about doing that yet, is because everybody considers it a garbage idea.
>>108402950The vas majority of the DLSS 5 showcase is focused on the characters' faces so naturally people will focus on those, it doesn't help that the faces look so uncanny, so I don't understand what's strange about it.
>>108400738He's a shill like the rest
>>108400738>2kliksphilipYou mean the guy that throats NVIDA regularly? 2kliksphilip "DLSS is Magic"? That one?
>>108399603i trust that dude's gpu reviewspresentations show everything one needs to know
>>108403439its mostly that people understand what video games areIf they have a thing that impacts pixels of a video game they know it'll impact environmets, combat scenes, interiors, foliage, coffee makers, particle effects, vistas. Video game stuff. So the discussion about dlss 5 should center on how it impacts video games in general, not faces because thats a small part of the whole.
>>108399543They literally lied, constantly calling it a lighting technique when it literally is generative ai making up entire pixels, changing faces and facial expressions and so on
>>108403463That's fine but again, NVIDIA themselves made faces the focus of their showcase, I guess as they show more and more footage and focus on other things the discussion will shift accordingly, but I think they purposely decided to use faces so prominently because the changes are so evident on sides by sides.Also it will probably look rather bad with actual gameplay, specially if it's fast paced as shown by the many artifacts from that soccer game example when the player kicked the ball, they decided to mostly use close-ups of characters and always in short duration, never showing anything for more than a few seconds, as this would show DLSS 5 in the best light possible and THAT was the best they had to show at the moment.
>>108399934Did you even watch the video fag? If anything they doubled down.
>>108403504> artifacts from that soccer game example when the player kicked the ball,Thats obviously frame gen and it looks fine in motion. Nothing inherent to dlss 5. Not understanding that is baffling. >THAT was the best they had to show at the moment.Theres all the footage in the DF video and others who took camera capture of the monitors of select games being showcased at the event.
These guys do benchmarks why are people so upset about opinions? PC gaming is so dead man
>>108399535>from now on promises to not give their opinion without weaving in the prevailing public opinionWeakest statement I've ever heard in my life.
>>108399535Is this eBassi? Why is he bald?
>>108401025>the thumbnail looks like a mugshotI don't think they could ever be that creative. They simply adopted the same thumbnail formatting for their other "DF Directs" but they all put a fake frown on. It feels disingenuous and I haven't even watched the video.
>>108402979I mean, they almost certainly do get paid for the Nvidia sponsored content they run, like the recent RE Requiem video. DF has never been shy about taking sponsorship money directly from Nvidia, they aren't even in that grey area of access and paid-for events, which is why they shouldn't be treated as a credible journalistic outlet (as much as I like some of their content) I feel kind of bad for the people who assumed they'd act more responsibly and be considerate of their Patreon paypigs when they went independent though
>>108403375The progress is the ability to make even the best optimized games run like absolute shit.
>>108399535give this rodent a piece of woodhis chompers are not in good shape
>>108403504You wouldn't even notice it in behind the back 3rd person or fps games, just cutscenes
Dah Fuck
>>108399535this just makes them even less believable
>>108399535who?
These anti-ai clowns are refusing to understand the technology on purpose
>>108403372No, people are just mad they liked it and didn't shit on it immediately. They said multiple times in their video it'd be controversial and there will be people that disagree or dislike the changes they are seeing. They were attacked because they were the only people that had a hands on with the tech and since they didn't cry THIS IS SHIT they must be shills. When DLSS 5 launches every single person on the internet bitching whining and complaining about it will be there to turn it on like they always are. The people doing the most bitching still want to fucking use it.
>>108399535>DFdo people still watch this shit? I thought we stopped caring about graphics since everything is now interpolated bullshit.
