Realistically, how hard would it be to build a new high end crt from scratch?
yes
>>108410974well shit, thank you for your time and effort
>>108410958Trinitron was invented in the 60's IIRC so probably not hard on a technical level. You'd have to find or build the equipment though, source the raw materials and contend with environmental regulations. That last one would probably be the biggest hurdle.
>>108410991>have to fight government to build crt monitorsfeels bad
>>108410958To build a factory with all new manufacturing equipment (since the old stuff is long since sold off to china and destroyed) and source materials and components that are no longer produced in huge quantities or at all?I'd say $2 billion initial investment minimum.
>>108411151Who said anything about building a factory? I am talking about building an explosive device in my shed that is going to take me out 6 seconds after turning it on.
>>108411192Like $20 at Home Depot and a hunting supply store.
>>108411192Low end? A beaker, $2 dollars of phosphors, an off-the-shelf electron gun, and some tools.High end? You're not going to, it requires precision manufacturing equipment.
>>108410958It's not that hard. Don't listen to the retarded naysayers harping about things. The only thing holding it back is whether or not the company believes there's enough customers to warrant actually starting up production again. Right now companies believe that people want new tech and only new tech.
>>108410958Incredibly hard.
>>108410958Hard, just hoard ones that exist.
>>108411597that doesn't even demonstrate the actual hard parts, you couldn't even apply the color phosphors by hand with enough precision, let alone align the shadowmask to it
>>108411597Nothing about this is hard. Are you 12?
>>108411626>>108411629Get to work, I'll buy anything with similar specs as a F520 but new for 1500 bucks. Go.
>>108411633I don't own the rights to manufacture using their knowledge or I would(also probably couldn't afford the startup even if I sold my house).Machining has become so much better and easier in the last 20 years it would be insanely easy to build a factory that shits these out with ease. Just go look at any modern factory or warehouse to see how fucking awesome modern machinery is especially with the assistance of computers. Engineering has come a long way and we're talking about tech from the 50s.
I'd assume nobody is manufacturing new deflection yolks (at least ones suitable for a CRT) and good luck hand wrapping that shit so the electron beam isn't jittering all over the fucking place
>>108410958MyGoogle say, pretty fucking hard dude.theres some Burger firm still makes CRT's for military applications. And they are, afaik, The Last.
>>108410958if hitachi and finns managed to get one out of hundred units in spec might be difficult800x600@120Hz 15" or 17" i might buy if cheap
>>108411657Actually that's probably one of the easier parts, just very labor intensive. You just need to get it close then you can design the circuit to compensate for the distortions.
people in this thread really don't understand how iterative of a process manufacturing is, you simply don't go from nothing to state of the art endgame crts
>>108411686Yes, yes you can lmao. It's not like the schematics and tools are lost to history and we're starting from scratch. It's quite the opposite, you can look at previous machines schematics and literally iterate on them and improve efficiency easily. Every person who thinks otherwise I can confirm is a child who has no experience in any job field at all, especially manufacturing and logistics. 20 years ago we were selling CRTs for like $100 because they already basically peaked manufacturing wise at the time. The same way you can buy a 4k 85" TV now for under $1000. Now add 20+ years of modern engineering knowledge onto that and it's even fucking easier.
>>108411708>yes you can>it just historically has never happened!>but it's not like anything is physically preventing you!>just money and experience and data used to perfect your methods and designs!touch grass
>>108410958It would be nearly impossible to construct a 1950s tier CRT let alone an actual modern high end one. CRTs are god tier difficulty.
>>108411686was like visit schools for nine years make written reservation to graphing workstation and you got to use one
>>108411719So your reason that it's not possible is because no one has cared to do it? What incentive does someone like Sony have to do it right now? That's literally the only reason holding them back. Most companies don't realize a lot of the things they could do to make money, because they believe the market doesn't exist for the product and they move on. It's not rocket science. Just look at companies like Nintendo, they could literally print money re-releasing the NES-GC consoles or even any of their old handhelds. They don't want to though, they want to focus on the Switch 2 and what's coming next. There's so many companies that could make tons of money making old products but they are run by people who don't want to do it, and until they are on their deathbeds they basically refuse to (like polaroid, and atari)
>>108411719You probably weren't even alive when CRTs died out.
>>108411686Most people in this thread get their "science" from cartoons like Dr. Stone and think they can build a moon rocket out of coconuts.
>>108411794I can make a rocket in like 2 seconds in my backyard with vinegar and baking soda. I know zoomers are retarded, but you don't always have to advertise it.
even as a crtfag hoarding dozens of crts... in like 10 years they'll have affordable microled displays which will be outright superior in every way, just buy something used and deal with it in the meantime...
>>108411765my samsungs could been repaired but environment begin to seem getting cold maybe someone else had better luck
>>108411833...are you ESL?
>>108411830they are in stores and usually great while under warranty maybe numbers of hot pixels tier onsite support
>>108411848you're thinking oled or miniled, microled televisions are $100k+ still and not out on display at your local costco
>>108410958It will be very expensive at first but there is 100% some beginning to end video footage of the manufacturing of these tvs in a step by step process along with spec on how to build the machinery neededThese companies never purge their data and since we have a lot of existing companies that just stopped making them we can for sure have even more than one brand of it
>>108411643>I don't own the rights to manufacture using their knowledgeI don't think there's anything that's enforceable anymore.
>>108412321I guarantee that all the Japanese manufacturers AKA pretty much all of them still have all the warehouses, factories, and machines on hand if they ever wanted or needed to. Japan isn't like the US when it comes to that shit. Nintendo literally still makes their hanafuda cards whenever they feel like it.
>>108412389This isn't a "their knowledge" as in like some sort of trade secret. I mean just they literally have decades worth of knowledge in their production.
>>108411657>deflection yolksIf you're building CRT's with eggs you're doing it wrong.>>108411719>what is reverse engineering>>108412398Even in America it isn't uncommon to hear about warehouses being opened after decades full of machinery that was considered lost. There are guys with more dollars than sense who pay scrap value and put it in the middle of nowhere "just in case". When new vinyl records started being manufactured again it was on old presses that somebody decided to buy for whatever reason and kept for like30 years.
The hardest part is making a glass vacuum.
Building color CRT's is a lost art, all the equipment and knowhow is gone and the investment required to get it back would be ridiculous. You aren't going to get new color CRT's unless someone invents a star trek style matter replicator or something.
>>108412652Source?
>>108412665Look up into the Finnish Valco Oy fiasco about how difficult it was to set up a new manufacturing plant even when the technology and knowledge were current and there was ample amount of expertise available.
once the ai robots take over they'll be able to use nanites to turn rocks into brand new crt televisions
>>108410991>rapes kitchen tiles
God, I really wish that I bought a Sony GDM when they were like 50 bucks.
>>108411659>>108412652>we don't have the technology to do that anymore, we destroyed it jej comical
>>108410958unbelievably hard and everyone saying something else is delusionaldont take my word for it though go build one
To be fair, a ton of companies that manufactured CRT televisions and monitors still exist. Guaranteed at least some of them preserved all their documentation from that period. So if some billionaire were so inclined he could likely secure some kind of deal for the designs and procedures related to manufacturing so they wouldn't have to spend 20 years refining the process from scratch. Ordering custom manufacturing equipment to be produced to your specification is still absurdly expensive, but that would be more a matter of money rather than time. And of course a lot of the other components are no longer being produced so you would have to make them yourself, but those are trivial in comparison.Is it going to happen? No. But it's definitely not some kind of lost technology, just an unprofitable one.
zuck threw away $80 billion and 10 years on the metaversehe could have revived the entire crt industry with that time and money and he'd be printing cash
>>108410958I think it would be hard because all the equipment to make them is gone. I think a lot of expertise and practical knowledge regarding manufacturing them is also likely gone at this point. I do also believe that all the theoretical knowledge of their operation and real-world flaws still exists though, so they could definitely be made but it would require a lot of investment into production machinery and probably some R&D iteration until everything is dialed in and high-end screens can actually be produced.
>>108413195>he'd be printing cashI think you'd have a hard time selling crt television for more than $300 and even then you'd probably saturate the market long before you made back even a fraction of your investmentprobably a bigger market for crt monitors but you better be making something equivalent to a top of the line 00s multisync monitordespite the ridiculous prices scalpers demand for old used shit, it's an extremely niche market, normies love their 60 inch televisions and 27 inch flatscreen monitors, size is one of the reasons lcds took over so easily, boomers saw owning a big screen televisions as a status symbol
>>108410980you get what you pay for
>>108413301You probably wouldn't get far at all given the aesthetic. People have been sold thin TVs for too long and the picture quality is likely 'good enough' to them. They'd never touch a CRT.
>>108410958Impossible.Just getting wires out of the glass and retaining vacuum over time is super complex, there's youtube channel dedicated to just that.
>>108413195Idk about that since everyone who actually lived through crt era doesn't really like them. Now big like at least 640x480 vfd screen that would be something.If you're just after looks there are retro crt style screens on aliexpress now for like $75 or so.
>>108413408>Idk about that since everyone who actually lived through crt era doesn't really like them.wtf kind of fanfiction have you gaslit yourself into
>>108413414I'll translate for you - he threw away his CRTs 20 years ago and now he's too embarrassed to buy them back at $200 + tip.
>>108413414I'm gen-x and I hate crt's. I didn't like them before and I don't like them now. Kinda dig aesthetics of older ones but that's it.>>108413417You kinda right but it's not about monitor but serial terminal. Threw it into trash now can't find anything for less than $300.
>>108413408Buying a shit tier chink lcd because you think the case kind of resembles a CRT has to be some kind of mental illness.
>>108411613thats the problem- all the rage rooms for little kids destroying things are buying them and LITERALLY destroying them i think of all the dead marios that will never exist
>>108413454>mental illness.lol I paid $30 or so for this chink miniature fake crt tv and I love it, loaded it with couple of seasons of miami vice and it's running 24/7 on my desk.
>>108413467
Bring them back, corpos
The only in any way realistic crt-like display device is something that doesn't require vacuum, like a laser excited phosphor display or something, and making one that's scanned at sufficient rate is probably going to be difficult.
>>108410958Why would you need CRT?
