>>108417927
Any good reasons against Gentoo? Feeling cute, might install it later.

>>108417944
Installing is painfully slow.

>>108417927
Doesn't Gentoo distribute non-free software? How are they any better? You might as well use Windows.

All my hardware is old and I don't want to wait days for GCC to finish compiling.

>>108417961
>has the option to install non-free software
>this is a hecking no-no to GNU autists

>>108417984
I don't think it's autistic to care about freedom.

>>108417967
they have binaries now too for popular programs.

>>108418001
Just don't install the non-free stuff.

What's the point of installing a free OS if you're using non-free hardware?

>>108417927
>shills for gentoo 2026
>screenshot from 2022
>muh opsec!
bait used to be believable

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>>108418092
Come again?

>>108417958
good thing it's not windows where you need to reinstall it every year

>>108417927
Does the package system really break a lot, or is that just people being duv with it?

for one, systemd doesn't "have age verification", all they did is add a birthdate field to user entries.
for two, you're using gentoo. if you care about it just drop a patch to remove it in your patches folder

>>108417927
Because I'm not a troon

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>>108417967
then don't. gentoo has binary packages available if you don't want to wait on specific packages.
how old are we talking? i have gentoo installed on my friend's home server i set up for him, it's a thinkcentre from 2013. it does take a while to update it each month or two, but so what? just let it run overnight. i'm not even using any binary packages, gcc takes an average of 2:28 to build on it

>>108418087
Why voluntarily create systems in which it is possible to be subjugated by commercial interests? We have no natural obligations to these groups as we do to mother, father, sovereign and God, as they are entirely contractual and manufactured. Why then do they have to be a part of the equation? Why not exclude entirely arbitrary assertions against our God-given right to self-determination as free creatures? Convenience? You would trade the expression of your nature as a free creature for convenience? That's like trading your inheritance for a bowl of soup. I think there's a story in the good book about that.

>>108418240
>subjugated by commercial interests?
How do you square the fact that all of the hardware running your beloved free-software is commercial and closed source? You guys twist yourselves into knots to larp as communists and it's silly. Don't make your OS a movement, be pragmatic about it, it's a tool.

Also, you're only a good commie if you're working, evangelism isn't the contribution you think it is, contribute code or work in the gulag.

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>no systemd
How is not having something a good thing? I'd get an argument such as
>has Dinit
or
>has runit
but what kind of retard takes some rando init out there just to be "non-systemd"?
t. uses Gentoo WITH systemd

>>108418260
Why are you suddenly rambling about communism? No one here is defending communism. As for free hardware designs, they ought to exist for educational purposes, but there is not at present a pressing moral imperative associated with this question because it is not feasible for the average or even power user to produce study/reproduce/redesign hardware. There is no practical restriction being placed upon me by closed hardware designs. My freedom is not constrained. In the future, as technology evolves, and that sort of study/reproduction/redesign becomes feasible, there will be a need to ensure that that technology is used ethically. Today's question is software.

>>108418282
>t. uses Gentoo WITH systemd
same, if i cared about having another userdb field i won't use then i'll just patch it out myself. this is gentoo, if you aren't patching things to suit your preferences then what's the point?

>>108418189
>gcc takes an average of 2:28 to build on it
(oh and this may be longer than usual as it's set to build multiple things at once and i also have global LTO set because why not)

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>>108418189
>Gentoo server
We have same. If you count routers as servers.
>just let it run overnight
Doesn't take that long though as there's no desktop or desktop apps.
Everything gets bloated to hell as soon as you install any graphical capabilities to your system.

>>108418353
your router won't take long, but despite not being a desktop this server does have a bunch of large-ish programs on it

my own desktop is also gentoo, but it also has a much faster cpu

i can understand being put off by the initial setup, and if you're still a new user trying new programs regularly it might be annoying (though the recent expansion of binary packages should alleviate this). once things are how you want them and you're pretty much just updating things occasionally, the build times really don't get in the way. you can build an update to a program while you're using the old one

>>108417984
the whole systemd debacle wouldn't have happened if they actually stood by GNU principles

>>108417927
i'm not homosexual enough to use gentoo. sorry.

>>108417927
Fuck the glow niggers.
Beatings will continue!

>>108418001
>distro repository has one proprietary freeware package (unRAR) in the mix of billions of open source packages
>"nooo, this be taking away my freedoms"
ok I'm not the smartest person around but you guise never explained this in a way I could understand it. Like what's the problem? Don't install the proprietary unRAR or whatever the package is.

>>108418409
Again, why are we voluntarily creating systems in which it is possible for the user to exist in a relation of subjugation or inferiority to engineers of proprietary software? It does not have to be this way. We can choose perfect liberty. Why should we accept any degree of arbitrary restraint as acceptable when the package in question could simply be removed and a free software alternative gradually created?

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>>108417961

>>108418282
>how is not having garbage bloatware a good thing???

Never change, /G

>>108417944
>>108417958
Managing use flag conflicts gets annoying after a few years.
>why did I disable/enable that flag on that package years/months ago?
Certain packages are super annoying to compile due to how long they take as well.

I ran it for years on my main gaming desktop. Was fine. Ultimately went back to Slackware but Gentoo wasn't bad. I might try it again eventually.

>>108418442
The commie larp was cringe in Stallman's day, and it's even more embarrassing now. You already have the freedom to choose whatever software you like, don't impose choices on others. Not cool, maaaan.

>>108417927
Because this is 2026, not 1995. People don't the time or patients for those types of distros anymore. There is NO reason for them to be as convoluted as they are.
>B-but muh total control
You can have total control without the bullshit that Gentoo and Slackware bring.
It's 2026 and Slackware still makes you hunt down and install dependencies and libraries. Why? What do you possibly get from that? What "control" do you get by having to manually install code that is required by the problem you want to run?
Nothing. That what you get. Nothing except your time wasted
Gentoo is now run by Redhat faggots. Corporate shills.
>I have to compile everything! I have so much control!
No you don't. You're just wasting your time and using up system resources like a retard.
All of this is moot anyway. You can install your systemd-free distros all day long, but sooner or later ALL websites and online services will require your ID verification token and without it, your computer is just a brick.
>Lol that's not going to happen
Yeah, it is.
That's whole point of boiling this frog, for total surveillance and control.
The only way to stop it is to stop the legislation and that's not going to happen since all politicians are corrupt and taking money from the lobbyists pushing it (and they have a lot more money than you). And don't think for a second your angry phone calls and emails matter. Those politicians don't give a fuck. The system is rigged so the only way they risk not getting reelected is by pissing off those same lobbyists and the machine behind the curtain.
Thank you for attention on this matter, faggots.

>>108418559
I am not imposing anything upon you. I am telling you that it is ridiculous and immoral to voluntarily, in perfect freedom, CHOOSE to create systems in which unnatural subjection is possible. Stop babbling about communism, it has nothing to do with the point under discussion. You are free to choose, and you should make better choices.

>>108417927
because i cant archive a mirror easily like on artix and plus its slow

>>108418588
>in which unnatural subjection is possible
You don't even know what you're talking about. Go back to anarcho-communist bookstore.

>>108418469
Some of us actually use systemd features, anon.

>>108418610
If you don't have anything to say, don't say anything at all. You don't always need to have the last word. Bye-bye.

>>108417927
>no x11
>krashes
no thanks

>>108417927
i did, this is my eight year using gentoo.
>>108417967
anon, a core 2 quad from 2008 would do just fine, and since you're on amd64 anyway, almost every package you need is available as a binary. you don't really need to compile things like gcc/clang or openjdk or browsers or heavyweight rust shitware unless you want to patch it

>>108418625
That could be said about your own post. Bye nigger.

>>108417927
I have :)

>>108417927
Because I'm switching to Guix next time I take a vacation.

>>108418473
Fortunately nowadays with AI you can quickly solve these dependency mysteries.

>>108418473
Being a scatterbrain who does not record his actions is a (You) problem

>>108417927
>gentoo-kernel maintainer is a troon who added weird unexplained patches and refuses to explain xirselves
nah I'm good

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>>108418240
How about you stop being a bikeshedding faggot and do something more interesting your time on this Earth

>>108417961
>systemd conspiracy taking over Linux
>better engage in pedantic bullshit
I want to believe this is bait but you never know with this community.

It's a few levels of autism too high for me. I'll probably try redcore and see how long it takes for me to fuck it up.
Only ever really used arch and debian based distros.

>>108417961
It does through its' ebuilds, but it's one for the few distros to default to only free software. Keep in mind there are some licenses such as the Artistic License enabled by default, which isn't a free software license.

>>108419847
https://redcorelinux.org/
>gentiles with precompiled binary packages
I figured this was probably a thing, but had no idea what it was called.
Thanks.

>>108419878
>I typed gentoo but autocorrect changed it to gentiles due to the amount of time I spend on 4chan

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>install gentoo
>run an old ass kernel
????

i installeded mint on my budget lenovo laptop.
i don't really know what to do now. it's my first time with linux.
do i start learning cmd line commands?

>>108419914
>i don't really know what to do now.
Start using it your system. It's Mint so you really don't need to know more than this, and when you actually need to use the terminal the specific use case is most likely explained well.

>>108418001
4chan is running non-free java script by the way

>>108417927
It's so so much worse than age verification.
People in government departments are bored (I have extended family working there) so they look for things to regulate.
There are a massive amount of small regulations one has to adhere to in manufacturing.
And the number of regulations is ever increasing, these state employed people have nothing better to do.
One a law is passed, it's their job to work on new laws and regulations.

Companies in the EU are really getting raped (though EU regulations are often ignored in some states like poland) with bureaucracy. The state is eating its own economic capabilities from within and in the end, it's eating itself.

>>108419954
What worse than OS level ID verification?
Give it a year or 2. Every OS will have this and governments will be looking for users who don't have it.

>>108417944
coompiling a browser is the worst part
rip xxxterm/xombrero

>>108418189
>binary
you didn't install gentoo

>>108420039
i guess you didn't read the part near the end where i said "i'm not even using any binary packages". also fuck gatekeeping, this is no better than those people who say to use a gnu-approved distro or supposedly don't use a computer at all

>>108420017
i can think of several packages that take longer than a browser to build

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>>108417927
I hate SystemD so fucking much it's unreal.

>>108420039
binary hosts have always been a feature of Gentoo
Gentoo has never been a source only distro, its a called META Distribution, for a reason

>>108420111
systemd is the very reason standardization in Linux is not always a good thing. Too many mainline distros are solely system, so much so that you can't replace it due how deep the integration is.

>>108417927
Because I use Void.

>>108417927
I'm on guix system for my laptops and server. Never tried gentoo, what am i missing out on?

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>>108420959
idk, i haven't tried guix system.

larry the cow?

>>108420989
>Gentoo maintains are Redhat employees now
>Redhat is a corporation
>Corporations want this
>Gentoo is safe
Lol lmao lmfao ROFL ROFLMFAO

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>>108421066
That's the kernel you retarded baboon.

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>"Some of us actually use systemd features"

>>108421085
yes, as in the thing all linux distros use

>>108421114
You don't use udev?

>>108417927
are there any gentoo gaming benchmarks? last time i tried it was on a thinkpad x230, completely fucked the battery with the heat from compiling.
i wonder if you could squeeze out a little performance these days on amdgpu and mesa with all those compile flags

>>108417927
I'm employed. But I will switch to Devuan soon.

>>108421289
you'd have to at least add all the changes "gaming" distros add to theirs, as while gentoo packages are very customisable, gentoo and it's packages don't come "pre-customised" for any particular application. like if you just went with all-defaults i would expect worse performance over something like bazzite, just because all the tweaks added specifically for gaming just aren't present ootb in gentoo.
potentially you could make something even more specific with gentoo, but you'd have to do it yourself. just using march=native alone wouldn't be enough compared to other tweaks, especially since you can't apply anything to the game itself, unless it's a foss game

>>108421310
sad to hear you lost your job :(

>>108421382
Learn to read, dumb nigger.

>>108421466
if you can't figure out what i mean maybe you should work on your comprehension skills, fren

>>108417927
Gentoo is only viable if you have a really few packages

>>108420105
Firefox and Thunderbird are like 20 minutes for me... qtwebengine, however, can go fuck itself and i loathe when it comes due for updates that I can no longer mask

>>108418473
add comments to flag changes retard

>>108421601
i wonder how many people have given up on gentoo the moment they run into chromium

>>108420111
>systemd is for retards
>bragging about how other inits are simpler

are you retarded?