SystemD could simply declare in its license its use it's illegal in California, Colorado and Brazil. SystemD is an instrument to consolidate legal compliance over every GNU Linux system in existence.
>>108431768SystemD can gofuckthemselves, Linux's and specifically GNU/GPL was specifically designed to prevent that from happening
Corporations like META, Red Hat, Microsoft and Palantir expect from you to never suspect 'malice' from any upstream change. Corporation expect from you to believe every upstream change is done in good faith is intrinsically neutral and always an improvement that benefits everyone without any downside.
>>108431768Anon Johnathan Potato works for Microsoft. He's the one that closed the PRs complaining about it and asking for an opt-out. A literal checkbox saying 'I do not live in California' was too much to ask of him, he already made his mind up before this Dylan guy ever opened a MR.This was systemd's goal all along: Create a monolith owned by members of a corporation that Linux can't escape. You're looking at systemd working as intended.
>>108431847SystemD will be tossed aside as soon as any Linux developer that is worth a darn finds out
>>108431768I have a feeling like this is all feel-good nothingburger law and it will either have no real teeth or it will ultimately be abandoned because it is not the internet's job to babysit children because parents are too lazy & stupid to do it themselvesMore infohttps://distrowatch.com/weekly-mobile.php?issue=20260316#qa
>>108431768Literally all they did was add an extra field to a structure that already exists for storing personal user info, for users that want to make use of it
Reminder that Zuckerberg pushing lobby for the creation and approval of these US laws; he has seats in California and Colorado with the objective of avoid any liability for content moderation on META’s services regarding minors.>he failed to enforce moderation over radicalized facebook groups which led to a massacre in Myanmar orquestrated through such facebook groups>he failed with his cryptocurrency (Libra, then Callibra, then Diem) because he was rejected by Congress>CEO of the project representing META, David Marcus, famously failed to explain to US dixie congressmen Denver Riggleman why the technical leadership choose Rust as the programming language to implement the blockchain technology sustaining the currency>he failed with META Galactica (their response ChatGPT)>he failed with VR>he failed with the Metaverse>zuckenberg works with Palmer Luckey>palmer luckey works with Peter Thiel >peter Thiel works with Alex Karp (Palantir)
https://archive.is/PGgpr
>>108431938That's the technical description of what they did, are you too autistic to understand the non-technical implications of that move?
>>108431938Enterprise GNU Systems defaults to SystemD.SystemD is US compliant.
>is this Anduril drone being operated by a person at least 16 years old?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rek1TzX2vw
>>108432678I don't see implications here worth getting up in arms about. This is nothing compared to untrustworthy Trusted Execution Environments
>>108433017SystemD bends the knee to US legislation. That's the bottom line.
>>108431908Bruh, do you really not realize that's a coverup for global digital id? It wasn't even invented in your state. It comes from UK/EU.
>>108433048>user asks for something>it's trivial to add and has no effect on other users>add itWelcome to open source software, kiddo
>>108431938That's very generous of them to give us time to move to something else before filling this structure and verifying using your phone and photo becomes necessary to even install the system.
>>108431938-SystemD shouldn't have this info in the first place, it's not a user manager -Making the field is Step 1, the person who pushed the PR already worked for a company who is proposing a Step 2 which is SystemD's attestation.
>>108433083>user asks for somethingNobody asked for this. This was added by one guy and forced in by the lead dev. A similar MR which users actually asked for, a variable to opt-out, was denied.Welcome to fascism, kiddo.
How will this affect me as an arch user who is in a free country ?
>>108431768SystemD should simply cease to exist and Linux developers should return to their roots instead of this forced political/software homogeneity.
>>108433620>>108433626There's already a field for my full name. Its existence has never bothered me, as I have no intent to use it. There's no reason for me to "opt out" of a field merely existing.
>>108433645> free countryLike... Nepal? Really wonder how delusional you are, so please share your country.
>>108433716This is not a technical problem.This is not a user experience problem.The merge request effectively traces for everyone to see the power of US legislation of two states over an operating system used by everyone.If some day a law in california demads every command with administrative privileges requires to pass as parameter your social security number and a picture of your face, this is how is going to be enforced. Through SystemD.
>>108433645If your Arch uses systemd, then there is a good chance you will receive an age verification screen, if not systemd, then you will be ok
>>108434105just scroll it until "How to Remove What They Add"https://agelesslinux.org/distros.html
>>108431908>backed by FAGMANnope, it's here to stay
>>108433872Then they'll leave in a method to opt out of it if you aren't in a covered jurisdiction. Which would be most people.
>>108434367Is not an implementation problem, is a policy problem.SystemD bends the knee to the Zuckenberg lobby.
>>108431908Nah, that's completely retarded. The onus is on whoever provides a child with the machine that has internet access to watch what they're doing. And how could that work with something like Tails or Whonix? It couldn't.
>>108431768>xir uses systemdoh, wow. hahahahaha!!
>>108431768They cannot do this. They'd need permission from every copyright holder to change the SystemD license.And if they did that, then the free GNU/Linux distros cannot use newer versions of systemd. Even Debian could not do this, without moving the entire systemd stack into the non-free repository.
>>108433862Canada
>>108431768I somewhat thought it's retarded to be a special snowflake and hate on systemd. well i was proven better
>>108433716>There's already a field for my full name.That's not part of systemD you tech illiterate nigger, that's the adduser script you use because you're an Ubuntulet
>>108434942>tranime reaction picAverage anti-systemd retard
>>108435622Well, they reverted it, citing the privacy concerns and precedent for non-compliance. It's the most popular init, so it makes sense that it was the one targeted.
>>108436405>Well, they reverted itreally? do you have a source?
>>108436415https://github.com/systemd/systemd/pull/41179/
>>108436420That's a rejected pull request
>>108436427you have to think that this guy is a glowie. There's no way people just wake up and decide to lie on the Internet about trivial matters
>>108433017Are you really resorting to whataboutism about TPMs? Yes TPMs are worse, I've been shouting about this for years too.>I don't see implications here worth getting up in arms aboutYou don't see the problem that this buggy, bloated, insecure, controled-by-corpos, monolith is spreading its tentacles on every feature of the OS, is becoming a dependency of more and more components, and the moment this new law came up its devs didn't even blink before bending the knee?
anyone have a link to the systemd agartha edit by the russian schizo. I can't find it
>>108431768>SystemD is an instrument to consolidate compliance over every GNU Linux systemalways has been. Open source - many decentralized development hubs. What cattle does? Fucking use trendy centralized big corpos solutions. >they just weeerkk >I NEED the new flashy-cashy for gayming>X11 teard my screen once, me sad>noo my GNOMEINO, I NEED toddler UI, dwm is muh ugly>don't think, switch to mintyou get what you deserve, fuck cattle computing
I wonder what he said.
>>108436434not merged you fucking retardevery red hat worker needs harassed (in minecraft)
>>108438115I'm talking about the other guy you fucking retard im on your side *kisses*
digital-ID/systemd/Linux is inevitable
>>108436170>reddit spacingkys
>>108435606Did they step on your head while the convoy truckers were being crushed?
I was planning to build a product and include a clause to disallow its sale or use in California, I see no downside to it.
so what do we know about the actual guy who added the birthdate thing. Is this guy a blatant glownigger?
>>108431768It could, but it didn't. Deal with it, bitch.
>>108436490It's not whataboutism, it's an observation that there is limited time and energy for people to resist things. If this was the biggest thing going on, I could see it being worth discussion. But the change is trivial, and the fact that it's recent isn't enough of a boost to justify anything other than flavor-of-the-week web-community-style outrage. systemd's feature creep is a justifiable source for criticism, but this event doesn't bring anything new to that discussion. As mentioned before, the field isn't mandatory to populate, and other PII is supported in the same structure they're adding it to. If there is a line to be drawn on this issue, it should be with whoever is implementing the relevant APIs/restrictions, like XDG. This is how inter-jurisdictional concerns have always worked, sometimes to one's benefit, sometimes not. Occasionally a company is forced to put out a better product by one jurisdiction, and customers in others benefit because it's cheaper for the company to put out one product than have two manufacturing systems in parallel. That's what systemd is doing here. People in those markets can use the field if they want (and are legally obligated to do so), and everyone else will ignore it. That's the obvious solution, rather than having to maintain a separate fork that is missing one field. No one is suffering purely from this field existing.
>>108440768The problem is a new json field, the part you have to pay attention is the journey that particular json field took from Brazil and two US state legislations to a concrete merge request approved in the official version control repository of a system present in every enterprise grade GNU linux.SystemD is the most visible route the survillance state is using to achieve enforced global compliance of any thing they want to push through law today and tomorrow.With this change, the United Kingdom already has a mechanism in the other end of the line, that can instrumentalized to enforce control at the most essential level of a computer.
>>108431768Everybody knew SystemD was bad fucking news when it was first introduced. But yet distro's were content on using it. Fags on /G/ were literally shilling it as well. It's the same old story.
>>108440962>but yet distro's were content on using itBecause there was not a technical reason to oppose its mass adoption.Strictly as a technology, it consolidates GNU-Based systems.back then, a person accusing Len Poettering of being a corporate drone was ridiculed and discredited under the argument of “good faith” versus “zero trust" in the distribution pipeline, the same argument Dylan M. Taylor used to justify his four different merge requests in four different open source projects totally unrelated to each other, just to comply with US and Brazilian Law. If you would have pointed that strange pattern of behavior in the anti-systemd days you would have been easily called "paranoid" because there was not credible threat against privacy enforced by law in the north atlantic, but the current domestic and international events put this incident in a whole different light.
>>108441027>If you would have pointed that strange pattern of behavior in the anti-systemd days you would have been easily called "paranoid" because there was not credible threat against privacy enforced by law in the north atlantic, but the current domestic and international events put this incident in a whole different light.Good to see that the SystemD defence force is still getting paid to shill for this shit. Nice argument, though.
>>108441107I denounce SystemD.
The Linux community itself could have very easily flown under the radar and when questioned said their package manager was just a "helper tool for installing system components" (which it is)The law applies to app stores, the only thing that really fits that description under Linux are flatpaks and snaps.
>>108431768SystemD is used on most linux distros including those actually used for productive purposes in the IT industry. I don't think it can afford to not comply
>>108441805It's an unconstitutional lawIf Apple and Microsoft aren't adding it, there's no reason to comply
>>108441027>Because there was not a technical reason to oppose its mass adoption.>Strictly as a technology, it consolidates GNU-Based systems.I want everyone who ever asks why tech nerds get stomped IRL to read this post. "If it makes technical sense, we can't argue it!" You are a FAGGOT just like pic related. A FAGGOT. Read that word over and over again. FAGGOT.The world doesn't work of your pseudo-rational arguments and this FAGGOT idea that if something exists and you can't debunk it, it should be accepted. This doesn't make you smart, it makes you a FAGGOT with no principles. "Well, I can't think of a rational argument against letting my wife be sodomized by an immigrant in front of me, therefore I must allow it!" The world works off of politics, power and underhanded behavior. Shocking claim: humans lie and have ulterior motives. Another shocking claim: intuition is a real thing and isn't invalid, and humans aren't entirely rational.It was very, very obvious based on Poettering's history, that letting him design a monolithic core to basically every Linux distro in existence was a horrible idea. And yet, people like you looked at it and said, "I'm a FAGGOT and can't think of any reason this isn't valid, therefore we will accept it!". The corporations that open source is up against will literally kill you and your loved ones if it comes down to it. You Rubik's cube fiddling autists couldn't say no to systemd. You deserve your chains.
>>108431768So what do we do, captain?
god told me to hate systemd and thats all i need to know
>>108440768>If this was the biggest thing going onIt's may not be, but it's the current thing, and as they say "strike while the iron is hot". Do you think that 30 minutes of outrage over the current and potentially less important aspect of our privacy being fucked is worth less than 30 minutes of outrage over a long established and likely more important thing like TPMs and MEs?>this event doesn't bring anything new to that discussionIt does bring something new: that SystemD's tendrils ARE not only long but they are indeed governed by dangerous cucks who bend over to any law that fits Cuckerberg and the pervert politicians who want to know more about your kid. People, demonstrably didn't believe the anti-systemd crowd when we were warning about the dangers of such centralization of functionality into one project and why the modularity of unix is a necessity for an actually free computer. We were proven correct.>As mentioned before, the field isn't mandatory to populateThey also added a field called "favorite porn genre". It's also not mandatory to populate so we should relax, it doesn't really mean that politicians are trying to get dirt on people. They also added a field called "time when user's kids are home alone" but it's optional so I'm sure there's nothing to worry about.>and other PII is supported in the same structure they're adding it toWhich is bad, but it's not something new. That other PII is a product of more innocent times, when politicians weren't using the internet to mass survey everyone. The birthday field is added in direct response to a NEW attempt to spy on everyone even harder than they do. You know that, stop pretending that there's nothing to worry about as if this change is 100% technological. It's the political motive that we see, and that we rage about.
>>108440768> If there is a line to be drawn on this issue, it should be with whoever is implementing the relevant APIs/restrictionsYeah they if they add a "time when user's kids are home alone" optional field we shouldn't complain to them, the line should be drawn only when someone actually kidnaps the kids. Are you guys serious?>That's the obvious solutionYes let's pander to the CCP next, and add a credit score field to SystemD, what can go wrong, it's only going to be optional! You disgusting little cuck.
>>108431768The people from California, Colorado and Brazil should make use of the rights they have to try and fight this law if they want.The people from other countries can do the same if similar laws are being prapared in their country.It is not the job from systemd to do this and in fact they cant because the law of these countries is something their people have to decide.Of course everybody is free to ignore laws, but then they will have to take responsibility for ignoring.
Just give us your birth date grandpa, why are you so worried
>>108433626There is no need to opt from an optional field.By not filling anything in you already opt out.If an administrator wants to force it on you use your own device or talk with the administrator.
>>108433626Why didn't you fill the name field while posting your post chud
>>108443007SystemD isn't affected by the law, it's not an OS. They chose to do this because RedHat wants it, because they are about to standardize the whole thing and start shoving it down people's throats.Meanwhile the asshole that committed this and Lenart are both involved with companies that provide remote attestation if I understood correctly? Am I wrong? Meaning they'll profit from selling software that makes sure you are running a blessed OS that doesn't, say, fake the birthday value.
>>108443115>There's no problem if SystemD implements politicalAffiliation and socialCreditScore fields. You can leave them empty. This is definitely not part of some bigger plan. Stop complaining.
>>108431768They could but there isn't established case history for that
>>108443797Didn't know they also added those, shame on them!
>>108431768it’s the only moral choice
>>108442198how do fight against corporate mass adoption?
>>108443797First i did not tell anybody to stop complaining.As far as i know there is no politicalAffiliation and socialCreditScore field, do you have a source for this claim?To me it seems redundant to add a variable to opt out, when in reality you have to give optional information.It is more like you have to opt in by inserting the birth date.
>>108443782If the majority of people from this countries wants this law there is not much a company or organization can do. SystemD is not in the position to tell people how the law works in their countries.If it was not SystemD it would have been done in another piece of software.Surely companies like microsoft, apple and google will add something like this as well.Anyway there is at least one good reason to avoid adding the real birth date, and probably many more.Usually when calling for support from my bank i get asked among other things my birth date.People should confront the politicians with good reasons like that to try and stop such laws, or at least make sure that sensible information is not given away easily.As for SystemD i think you are kind of wrong, they have no possibility to avoid inserting a fake birthday value.
>>108440295>muh frozen bank accounts of people funding protests Enjoy living under isreal
>>108444447>do you have a source for this claim?It's obviously a hypothetical, Jesus. I am telling you that saying it's optional means jack shit. Nobody is complaining about the existence of a field in a DB. We are raging over a VERY entrenched component of Linux bending the knee on a moment's notice to a law that doesn't even affect it, adding the groundwork for privacy intrusions to everyone on the planet.My point is: would you be saying the same things if the fields were called politicalAffiliation and socialCreditScore???
>>108444591>there is not much a company or organization can doWhy are you people unable to understand the difference between doing NOTHING about an intrusive law and going out of your way to accommodate that law? SystemD is NOT an operating system. The dev team is not in danger of anything if they don't implement anything about this law. They went out of their way to implement this because daddy Red Hat and the other corpos and their political friends want it.>If it was not SystemD it would have been done in another piece of software.Good. And we wouldn't install them since they aren't a dependency of anything. Meanwhile SystemD had been embedded so far up your asses that we should start calling you Kermits.>People should confront the politicians with good reasons like that to try and stop such lawsRight, cause democracy works so well. You know these laws were voted by both parties right? Do you actually expect political change here? Cause I don't.>they have no possibility to avoid inserting a fake birthdayNot right now, but there are ways: from attestation to simply storing a signed-by-a-trusted-authority isAdult flag in userdb, and more. The foot is already in the door now.>Surely companies like microsoft, apple and google will add something like this as well.Of course they will, but why are we talking about them? Is it good to mimic them now?
>>108431768what is with the anti-systemd retards and their shit threads lately? I thought you faggots all died off over a decade ago.
>>108445460High IQ individuals were the first who realized systemd was a problem but were dismissed by the majority.Now that the agenda behind systemd has been revealed even the average IQ individuals are able to see it.That of course leaves only the last and the lowest IQ portion of the population (you), who are probably too retarded to ever figure it out.
>>108445393It does not matter a lot how the field is named, people can get in trouble only if they break the law.I live in a country not affected by one of these laws, therefore the field has no meaning.However i dont like the idea of storing the exact birth date, because of security reasons.I would oppose the creation of such a law in my country and if i ever fill this in i will use a fake birthday, which still correctly says that i am an adult.If my country would want to make a law that would require politicalAffiliation and socialCreditScore i would oppose even more.Also if a minor accesses an adult website by incorrectly stating to be an adult, this could very likely being against a law that is probably accepted by a majority. This is also a problem.My point is: wether you like it or not, if a majority wants a law it will be valid for everyone in that country. Even if i dont live there, if i visit that country i have to comply. It would be rude as a guest to disregard their law even if i think it is bad.
>>108445454Then why are you talking about SystemD instead of doing something against an intrusive law? It is not SystemD that made the law.Why do you think the SystemD dev team has to do something about this law?I dont know who voted for this and it does not really matter. If the law passes the vote it is irrelevant if i did not vote for some party or i like the law. Thats the same for all people in the word living or visiting that contry.Using a signed-by-a-trusted-authority isAdult flag would probably be a better solution as it is sharing less information than an exact birth date.It would also require more work and probably a new law for creating such a certificate.
>>108445643>It does not matter a lot how the field is namedSo your answer to my question:>would you be saying the same things if the fields were called politicalAffiliation and socialCreditScore???is yes, you would say the same things. OK then I'm not sure why I'm discussing with you, it sounds like a lost cause. The plan would be literally slapping you in the face, and you'd talking about the field being optional.>I would oppose the creation of such a law in my countryDemocracy doesn't empower YOU to do anything though, so that's kinda irrelevant. Either you avoid the law by using tech, or the impact the law has on your life is the same whether you (singular you) oppose it or not.>Also if a minor accesses an adult website by incorrectly stating to be an adult, this could very likely being against a law that is probably accepted by a majority. This is also a problem.Torrents exist, eMule still works, these laws are irrelevant to anything and I couldn't care less what the majority wants. The majority should take better care of their kids if they don't want them watching porn.>if a majority wants a law it will be valid for everyone in that countryTrue, which is why TECH is the only thing that can actually protect people from such laws: meaning choosing the right tech actually has a positive result. Voting against a law does nothing. The same result would pass whether you voted for or against (singular you) the law. So your action is inconsequential to your own life. So it does piss me when the tech used by most Linux users bends the knee. And the centralization systemd has brought is dangerous, we've been warning about this for years.>It would be rude as a guest to disregard their lawI don't believe in the legitimacy of states so I don't share your opinion.
>>108445765>Why do you think the SystemD dev team has to do something about this lawBecause Lenart and the one that made the PR are connected to attestation services that CAN be used by what's coming up because of these laws. They stand to profit. And because they block discussions against this. And because they were extremely quickly to implement this. And because the law does NOT force systemd to do anything, systemd is not an OS.>why are you talking about SystemD instead of doing something against an intrusive law?Because I don't think democracy works. Both parties voted for this. I don't think voting will solve this. I think tech will solve this. I am also not a burger, nor a systemd user. But I am seriously concerned that I will be affected because systemd is so much embedded into Linux that I see a slippery slope of it implementing more and more age verification related things. This project has spread tendrils into EVERYTHING in OS. The fact that I've been suspecting this as a trojan horse to put Linux under Red Hat control, and now they IMMEDIATELY CHOOSE to implement something related to an intrusive law, just made me certain I was right. They are here to make Linux compliant. Compliant to what the state and the corpos want. Well fuck this.>would probably be a better solutionBetter for what? For allowing the state to be a nanny to your kids at all times with no way to opt out of it? Yes it's better if that's the goal compared to leaking the exact age. Maybe they can do ring signatures too, so that you don't know which of 64 individuals actually likes Brazilian midget fart porn. But how about we do none of this, and just let the fucking global IP network transfer packets the same way my local IP network does?
>>108445823That is all ok.In this case you are good to go with SystemD, as you can use this tech by just not filling in the field or use a fake birthday.But to clarify my answer to the politicalAffiliation and socialCreditScore question is NOT yes.I also never said democracy empowers me to do more than opposing.So i guess the singular you should go tell the majority to take better care of their kids.Also not voting for a law means fully accept what the others decide.
>>108445894That is a good point with the attestation service. However the linux market share is so small that they would earn a lot with their certificates for android and ios, if they are chosen to make this certificate.Obviously a majority of people wants a way to nanny their kids. It is understandable that parents want to avoid that their minor kids can watch porn. How to give parents without technical know how a way to avoid this?Unfortunatly there are many parents and they really want a solution they can be sure it works. They also have to work and cant afford the time to learn computers.
>>108445944>Also not voting for a law means fully accept what the others decide.Completely wrong. If two men ask you to chose which of the two will rape you and your wife, and you refuse to chose, you are definitely not signifying acceptance of anything. What kind of logic is this? This is exactly the kind of brainwashing that the school system has done to everyone to make you all good model citizens that go vote to give legitimacy to their system.>In this case you are good to go with SystemDI'm not using SystemD for almost a decade now. I'm perfectly happy with runit and sysvinit. And especially now that they are bending the knee to politicians and corporate overlord I'm not about to support them even if they were technically superior, which they aren't.> is NOT yes.Ok so what's the difference between the field being called socialCreditScore and the field called birthDay? In both cases you know for a fact that the addition of the field is done to serve a highly intrusive law.>So i guess the singular you should go tell the majority to take better care of their kids.I already do that on any chance given. Right now I'm discussing the changes in systemd though, and how it being entrenched so deep into Linux is dangerous given the willingness they showed to complying with intrusive laws that don't even force them to be responsible about anything. They literally bent over the moment they could and grabbed the opportunity of serving the overlords.
>>108445493>the agenda behind systemd has been revealed
>>108431847But I was told that was a conspiracy theory ten years ago!
>>108446077You are right that not choosing which of the two will rape me and my wife does not mean acceptance. But this cant be compared to voting!The country has a constitution it has to comply, and usually all adult people of that country can vote. And they will tell you many days or weeks in advance about the vote.Also without knowing where you are from, this is almost certainly a crime and will be punished if these men get caught. The majority of your country will agree with this!You are free to use the init system you want.In the case of birthDay i can see the reason many people want to protect their kids. I dont really like the idea of storing the exact birthday but i see why people want a solution for this.It is law that minors should not be able to access adult content, and i am pretty sure this would be backed by a majority.In the case of socialCreditScore it looks like the government wants to control how we behave, i dont like this and i dont see a good reason for this. In case of people committing crimes like the two men you used as an example the police already keeps a record of them if they can get caught. People not commiting crimes should not be judged for their way of life.By the way i also doubt that most countries care if you input a fake birthday as long as you are an adult anyway. This would also not really be a crime at all.Someone was going to do this anyway, it does not really matter who it is. In the end all big distros will have ended up having something like this installed by default. They need to give their users a way to comply.As said before even if you only visit a country, you will have to comply to their law.If you look at power adapters for example you will see that many comply with the regulations of many countries. They would only have to comply with the place its sold, but its easier for them to comply with all.
>>108431768man who are these dipshits who keep the "I don't see the issue with this" line going? do they not know what a slippery slope or how bad a look overeagerness to comply with unpopular policy is? it's bad enough that meta asked for this for their own agenda, but to see open source be so cocksuck about this, these kids are clearly stupid and a bit brainwashed if they don't get the implications. it never ends with "it's just X" it always escalates into a demand for Y.
>>108446533If it does not end with "it's just X" and Y comes, rest assured that SystemD not implementing this would not really have made a change.Analyze the problem and propose a better way to solve it which is less intrusive.If you cant do this complaining about SystemD will not solve any problems.
so what would happen if some other state/country made it illegal for an OS to ask for this information? who would these bootlickers try to please?
>>108442301>>108442314>it's optional so I'm sure there's nothing to worry aboutThe time to complain is when they try to populate the field without your permission. If someone voluntary chooses to use a "favorite porn genre" field, that's on them. Equally, I don't care about a birthday field because I won't be filling it in. The time to complain about politicians doing something is when they try to do something. Not when some tangentially related group of people do something that you can mangle a slippery slope that potentially leads you to that place. Then you have iron that is both hot, and actually iron.>It's the political motive that we seeThen bitch to the politicians. Because systemd is making a technical move based on technical merits. You have no proof that they have malicious intent, so complaining about something this far up the line from dangerous territory is paranoid behavior. You're right that they were under no obligation to implement this change, but the change is so plainly benign that they might as well.The hazards you're describing are tenuously connected, at best. This isn't some sort of "hey we just want to inventory all houses with guns in them", where a negative outcome is directly foreseeable. There's no evidence to support that this field is going to be mandatory to fill out globally outside of scaremongering.
>>108431814TRVKE
>SystemD could simply declare in its license its use it's illegal in California, Colorado and Brazil. SystemD is not an operating system and doesn't need to declare anything. The laws only really need to be followed at the distro level, not at the level of any individual OS component, not even the kernel.Also, everyone is ignoring the obvious solution of ignoring the law outright. Just don't put OS mirror servers in California or Colorado. What, you think you have a right to sue a server owner in Oregon for transmitting a file to California that's not allowed in California?
>>108431908>he actually fell for the "think of the children" cover story
>>108431768Good. Nobody must comply with corrupt totalitarian governments.
>>108446529>But this cant be compared to voting!Of course it can. Stop being brainwashed.>The country has a constitution it has to complyOK so if the two rapists write a piece of paper with rules the cases are now directly comparable.>usually all adult people of that country can voteYou and your wife are the only people in the room, and the rapists named the room "country".>And they will tell you many days or weeks in advance about the vote.The rapists also talk you a few days in advance, and they even showed you dick picks so you can chose properly your favorite shape and size.>this is almost certainly a crime and will be punished if these men get caughtAre you retarded or just pretending you don't understand parallels? Holy crap the damage the school system does is insane.>In the case of birthDay i can see the reason many people want to protect their kids"In the case of socialCreditScore I can see the reason many people want to protect their country.">i am pretty sure this would be backed by a majority.Enough with your majorities cuck, we get it, you like being gang raped if the majority agrees to it. You like being manhandled. Keep your fetishes out of the discussion.>doubt that most countries care if you input a fake birthday as long as you are an adult"I doubt most countries will care if you put a fake socialCreditScore as long as you donate to the party"Yeah I also doubt that most countries would care if Epstein says he's 15 years old on Roblox to be with the other kids.>People not commiting crimes should not be judged for their way of life.That would be a nice sentiment if you weren't a fucking relativist that respects all laws as long as they are supported by the majority.>you will have to comply to their lawWatch me bitch.
>>108448312kek you're a moron. You wouldn't be saying that the time to complain is NOT when systemd adds a socialCreditScore field to userdb but only when they make it obligatory. SystemD is actively taking steps to implement infrastructure for the new intrusive age verification laws. Get bent if you think I'll wait for them to proceed to the next steps before I complain. I am not a moron, it's obvious what their goal is and they should be left in the dust for attempting this.> tangentially related groupSystemD is embedded in everything in Linux now, not just tangentially related.>can mangle a slippery slope that potentially leads you to that placeYou are a retard. The PR says is the first step for the new laws. Everyone knows is the step for the new laws. And you are here trying to convince us that the slop "only potentially leads to that place" when there's literally a sign at the top of the slope that they just started constructing saying exactly where it leads. Fuck off with your "keep calm" stuff.>Then bitch to the politicians.That doesn't do shit. Go do try it if you want, I'll bitch the ones making the tech that allows people to escape the grasp of politicians.>Because systemd is making a technical move based on technical merits.What technical merits? What merits? The merit of being prepared to spy on users? Why are you such a fag? Go suck Lenart's dick moron.>the change is so plainly benign that they might as wellCUUUUUUUUUUUCK>The hazards you're describing are tenuously connected, at best.Yes systemd adding a socialCreditScore field is just tenuously connected to a socialCreditScore system. Only a conspiracy theorist would make the connection between such a field and such an invasive legal framework. Go fuck yourself state apologist. Choke on that boot.
>Ok so what's the difference between the field being called socialCreditScore and the field called birthDay?Is this nigga serious
>>108450135Do you have an answer fag? Both are obviously linked to a plan to intrude in the life of users. Do you need the plan to slap you in the face like with a field called socialCreditScore, to have a reaction? Is birthDay in the context of the upcoming laws too complex a connection to be made by your brainlet?
>>108449813I am not brainwashed of course, i just dont make things up because i cant stand reality.
Zuckerberg Cartel pushed lobby in Colorado and California to prevent this legal outcome in the other forty nine states.SystemD is subservient to this interests.
