what's up with the low IQ panic about OS age verification?OS level age verification (actually more accurately, parental control) is actually good. because it eliminates the need for online age verification that some online services want to implement.if parents can configure a child account for their kids and set its age, websites and apps can ask the OS if the user is an adult or not to determine what content to show/hide.so these services won't have to implement age verification themselves. you won't have to actually upload your id for every service you use. they will have no excuse to ask for your id if your OS provides an API for verifying if you are an adult or not.your OS will securely store your age and let applications ask it through an API call if the user is an adult or not, the os can answer with a boolean value of true or false.Unix already had optional fields for things like Full Name, organization, address etc...an optional birth date field is pretty neat. this was added to systemd userdb.desktop environments can use it to provide the forementioned API through an xdg portal. the xdg portal doesn't even have to share the age itself as i said. just a boolean value of adult or not.and since it's a portal you can control which apps have access to that. (assuming the apps are sandboxed obviously, which they should be if you don't trust them).desu, a lot of the confusion about this comes from some people calling this "age verification" while it should more accurately be called "parental control".why are neets malding about this? is it a failure to understand the technical side of this? or are they just accepting sensationalist slop from people like jewnduke without investigating things themselves.
>the government insisting that you provide personal information to corporations is GoOD actuallyKill yourself. Posthaste.
>>108443837age verification enablers will be tracked down by autonomous drones and sprayed with DMSO solubilized fentanyl.
>>108443844>didn't readokay
>>108443847>i have just lost an argument so i will screech nonsensical schizo gibberishgood to admit loss
>>108443858>if i conjure up the right words, i can argue my way out transdermal opioids shutting down all life-supporting functions of my central nervous system!
>>108443837it eliminates the need for online age verification that some online services want to implement.what proof do you have that both wont be implemented? do you even know the difference between online and local computing?>if parents can configure a child account for their kids and set its age, websites and apps can ask the OS if the user is an adult or not to determine what content to show/hide.except most parents dont/wont set up accounts, they just put a fucking phone in the 4 year old's hands and let them go ham, the goobermint knows this.>you won't have to actually upload your id for every service you use.wrong>they will have no excuse to ask for your id if your OS provides an API for verifying if you are an adult or not.proof?>your OS will securely store your age and let applications ask it through an API call if the user is an adult or not, the os can answer with a boolean value of true or false.again, proof and how would this work? what about VMs and OEMs, how would that work? you seem to be an expert on this subject>Unix already had optional fields for things like Full Name, organization, address etc...use case for optional fields?>desktop environments can use it to provide the forementioned API through an xdg portal. the xdg portal doesn't even have to share the age itself as i said. just a boolean value of adult or not.yes and this would never ever be bypassed and is absolutely 100% foolproof. always trust the client.1/2
>>108443885>what proof do you have that both wont be implemented? do you even know the difference between online and local computing?if the OS has an API for age verification, services won't have to do it themselves. the verification is done once on the OS. the os will only answer a yes or no to the apps asking if the user is an adult.>except most parents dont/wont set up accounts, they just put a fucking phone in the 4 year old's hands and let them go ham, the goobermint knows this.don't care. the OS developer isn't actually responsible. if they implemented age verification, the parents are liable if the kid somehow had access to an adult account.>wrongactually correct>proof??apps use OS apis and libraries when available instead of implementing their own solutions.(future laws might be passed to ban age verification at any level above the OS)>again, proof and how would this work? what about VMs and OEMs, how would that work? you seem to be an expert on this subject.app stores and package managers can make virtual machine software unavailable for non adult users.>use case for optional fields?provide useful data for programs to use, in this case it provides useful data for desktop environments to implement parental control.>yes and this would never ever be bypassed and is absolutely 100% foolproof. always trust the client.lol, there is no way to do age verification without trusting the client. it's a technical impossibility. the hope is that the client of a child is restricted and managed by an adult.
>>108443874thanks for the bumpnice of you to keep bumping despite losing this argument in your first post
>>108443837>websites and apps can ask the OS if the user is an adult or not but that would require web browsers and apps use platform integrity API. Meaning, goodbye to installations that ever had their bootloader unlocked.
>>108443837Nice cuckopinion OP.But parental controls are fine: the user has control of what he wants to do and has full privacy. But connecting to a government central to send your picture or documents essentially makes privacy ILLEGAL on the internetWe won't allow that simple as
This is a BAIT thread you mongoloids
>>108443837What about gender ?There's no discussion about adding gender on systemd.
>>108443955not necessarily. as i said this is should more accurately be called "laws to enforce implementing parental control in operating systems"parental control doesn't need platform integrity.
>>108443977>But connecting to a government central to send your picture or documents essentially makes privacy ILLEGAL on the internetthat's not what any os or law is intending to do though. it's just local age verification.>>108443997good idea. so apps can restrict women from accessing certain spaces to give opinions.
>>108443837>it eliminates the need for online age verification that some online services want to implement>websites and apps can ask the OS if the user is an adultpick one, retard
>>108444025>can't comprehend thatngmisystemd should add an IQ field to userdb. so apps can restrict anyone bellow 100 from participating in discussions on their platform.
>>108444040agreed, but what would you do all day? smash rocks with your empty skull?
>>108443837use case for user age verification?
>>108444072letting kids safely use computers without getting tung-tung-sahured
>>108443848>>108443858>>108443950thank you for setting the record straight, ebassi.
>so these services won't have to implement age verification themselves. you won't have to actually upload your id for every service you use. >they will have no excuse to ask for your id if your OS provides an API for verifying if you are an adult or not.This is obviously untrue since there are still theoretically plausible legal districts which will not require OS level age verification and OSLAV will be plausibly spoofable, giving each and every service the sliver of argument they find useful in performing anticonsumer activities. The purpose of these applications gathering your identity and personal info is not to comply with blue laws or morality codes it is to sell said personal info to indian scam center mark packages so that you can be harassed by fraudulent mail regarding your registered motor vehicle and or receive fake calls from "Bob from Comcast."The only way this could plausibly BECOME true is if each and every district intent on lawjamming OSLAV down your throat were to also pass laws explicitly prohibiting any and all such applications from implementing their own distinct ID targeting and ID storage and ID verification protocols, which would in and of itself destroy the commercial model of most online companies. Nothing less than the complete destruction of the entire prevailing online business model can work.
>>108443848Thats right. Not reading and not having a discussion about this.No means no.
>>108443837>why are neets malding about this? is it a failure to understand the technical side of this? or are they just accepting sensationalist slop from people like jewnduke without investigating things themselves.Let people be angry about it, even if it having a birth date field on you OS isn't harmful, because it will make corporations less courageous to advance further. But if the governments want to force id verification on everything, and make it a dystopia, it's not like retards whining online can change anything. We experience worse everyday, yet no one does anything. It's copium.>>108443997>What about gender ?That field will not fit in memory
>>108444527>That field will not fit in memorywhy? it's just one bit.
>>108444531Incorrect, gender is nonbinary.Due to its irreducibly nonbinary nature, gender is not turing-computable and stands as irrefutable evidence that we do not live in a simulation.
>>108443858>doing something that has never existed in all of human history is now schizo
>>108443844It is good. Businesses have a right to know who they are dealing with. Anonymity is a cancer that allows things like ad blockers to steal from the profits of content owners.
>>108443837Technology is not responsible for parenting children, parents are. Any system that offloads a parent’s responsibility is bad for children. These policies are bad for kids but they’re being pushed anyway.>>108444617Is that “right” in the constitution? It’s easier to argue that individuals have a right to anonymity in commerce, which is strongly backed by existing law like privacy in mail.
>>108443837The powers that be have a new system that has been in the development for decades now, ready to be rolled out in the coming years. It will operate in parallel starting sometime this year and by the next decade it will be fully operational as the Agenda 2030 goals are slowly being implemented.There will be no collapse, no violence, no uprising, no world war, no revolution, no killing of jews or politicians or other such fantasies. Instead there will be law & order, compliance and total surveillance until the very end. AI will be at the center of it all. The Great Reset is inevitable.
Use case for age verification on the OS level?Being able to enter a contract with an ISP proves you are an adult.There is no further need to prove my age.No use case.
>>108444617internet shouldn't be a place of commerceit's information sharing protocolnot my problem that they build their infrastructure on something with inherently opposing philosophy and purposeif something is published it's public
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>>108443837I'm just not going to do it. Just because some paedophile lawyer conjures some words on a bit of paper doesn't mean I am going to do anything.
>>108444701>Is that “right” in the constitution?Yes it is a basic right to be secure in your property. Anonymity is a direct threat to that security.>>108445348The purpose of all human action is to produce economic value. The Internet is a marketplace. End of story.
>>108443837(You) are a newfaggot that was caught unawares by the textfilter, therefore your opinion is hot dogshit
>>108443837Buy an ad, pootering
>if you don't want to hand over everything that identifies you, you're an idiot actuallytruly the Retardocracy worldline
>>108443837>What makes you think beheadings are a metric?
>>108444997growing up is realizing the great rest is based.digital id is based.the reason there is law and order in the real world isn't because security and privacy in the real world are impenetrable. it's because there is law and order, and consequences for violating the security and privacy of others. and that can only be enforced if people can be identified and punished for not respecting the social contract.that's how "high trust societies" are built.the internet and computing used to be a high trust society in the early days. when it was restricted to a few academic circles. that's why every old technology is inherently insecure and needs layers of retrofitting to secure today (email, C, http, etc...).but when it got adopted by the masses it became the wild west. because of the anonymity it provided. there were no consequences for misbehaving. technology developers decided that the answer to this was to enter this infinite arms race with malicious actors. trying to make things more secure and private. which is the wrong approach.we should have removed the anonymity of the internet and technology and implemented very harsh real life punishments for misbehaving on the internet. this way people are unlikely to act bad. and a high trust society is slowly built over time.Digital ID will provide that. and along with nice laws from the EU like GDPR. citizens will finally enjoy a safe, private and high trust society online. people just won't troll you or hack you or do childish shit towards you because there is something to lose. also you will be able to identify who is posting what. so people will be more hesitant to post misinformation or spew-out bullshit, because it will make them look dumb.i love the future. and have trust in our technocratic overlords. at least in the EU. can't speak for America. and don't care.
>>108443837how many 12 year olds are running linux that this shit needs a goverment decree? most dumbass kids getting groomed online use their phone for everything, not a laptop and certainly not one running linux
>>108443837resisting surveillance by government and big tech is "brown-coded"
>>108443997>There's no discussion about adding gender on systemd.>>108444023>good idea. so apps can restrict women from accessing certain spaces to give opinions.It also needs a pronoun field. It'd be ableist if not. Check your privilege.
>>108443837they should just put an 18+ tag on hardware that is capable of connecting to the internet instead of putting this shit into software
>>108443994How? Terrorism means striking fear into the public. The dude in the OP looks like a terrorist and strikes fear into the public a là>we're removing your software now and there's nothing you can do about it. be afraid! even YOUR tools can get crippled! WE, the US americans, decide if your code runs or not!I don't see the trolling aspect of it. It's a rather fitting comparison. Hurtful, disrespectful - whatever. It fits.In the 2000s I could rotate the desktop like a cube with wobbly windows and execute 32bit and 64bit software from PPC and x86, from all OS all on one machine.People like the terrorist in OP removed that, under the disguise of being "the good american guys bringing advancements to the world". No, you removed advancements, empowering software and replaced it with something that requires constant fixing, securing scoundrel like himself a spot in the minds and systems of the people. Just like a terrorist.
>>108443844Your approximate age ... for most of us 18+. That's not a whole lot of data.Graphene can add a "round up birthdate to first day of the month" so they don't get your birthday. Or if really paranoid, an option not to update age at all, so the parents can handle the transition leaking birthdate information however they want.
>>108443837No age verification in OS:>online service block you until you create an account and upload your ID to an israeli corporationAge verification in OS:>you can just put in fake data via sudo command>online service has an excuse to not bother with age verification, not even an account is required to browse porn
>>108447927Haha go ahead and quote that section buddy
I’m not dumb the goal is to just block porn for everyone, age verification at Os level is just an excuse to implement the hardware
>>108443837as a proud leftist who voted obama twice, i fully support my tribe doing this. what my tribe does, is good, actually. so i am loyal to my tribe as my tribe is pure in heart.
>>108451859>your ID to an israeli corporationGo back to /leftypol/ with your Jew hatred.
>>108443837>2 shekels have been deposited to your account
>>108452636>direction brainFuck the jews. Lol
>>108443837a whole lot of slippery slope using redditors responding to you who have nothing to back up their fallacy and just say it is because it is.
>>108443837its open source you fucking apes.
