Mark my words, AI is going to tear apart the Linux kernel community very, very soon.
>>108444571AI is the future. AI enhances human productivity 100-1000x. Linux is right to defend AI usage—without AI we fall behind. AI is evolving humanity and you'll either get with the picture and join the future or you'll be a Left Behind Luddite, starving on the streets. Face it. AI is here to stay and you'd best make use of it. Or else.
Rightfully so. Let the great divide begin.
>>108444585Nice bait.
>>108444585You're too used to cuck tech bros. Everyone else will have no qualms just killing you.
Is it feasible to install some LTS kernel and never upgrade it ever?
Trannies are fearing for their DEI jobs, thats why they hate AI>You (AI) will never be a real programmerVery problematic of them
>>108444571He was recently paid a good amount of money by Google, Oracle and Anthropic. Do you think this is his real opinion?
>>108444628It obviously isnt. Linus was always a jackass but he would never have said anything this idiotic even 10 years ago.
We should fork Linux intoLinux-man (not human, just to filter out the trannies) and Linux-aiAnd lets see which one has fewer bugs.
>>108444571All that’s going to happen is the idiots will leaveThis same conversation happened when power tools came to woodworking, guess what, work is done with power tools these days.If you want to be an artisanal dude who hammers every nail by hand go for it. But getting mad at the nail gun is so irredeemably stupid.
>>108444680Power tools increased precision you midwit.AI decreases it and just makes everything shit.
>>108444680Power tools just augment already pre-existing human work. Not replace it. Nor was there just a handle of jews controlling it all and telling you that you need to give half of your paycheck to subscribing to power tools. Nor were they destroying the entire environment and energy infrastructure.
>>108444697No they don’t, thanks for telling me you’ve never used one. They improve speed and efficiency but do lower quality work. A power tool makes you twice as right if you’re right and twice as wrong if you’re wrong. Just like AI. Electric saws burn your wood and tear out the edges but people still use them because it doesn’t matter if cutting the wood by hand produces a technically better cut. The power tool is good enough. AI is currently occupying the exact same technical niche and “good enough” is the actual goal of all work.
>>108444705AI can’t operate autonomously anon, everything AI has ever done is augmenting human work.Do you really think the power tool industry, that produces millions of cheap disposable batteries and tools, doesn’t have a major environmental impact?It’s funny when people argue about AI environmentalism and it reveals they don’t actually think about the environment at all beyond engaging in this bad faith argument.
>>108444722I think people using hand tools are just taking better care of their equipment.
>>108444571>/g/eets doomsdaying because a logically rigorous man pointed out that the genetic fallacy..... is indeed fallacious
>>108444571i wonder how much they paid him to shill AI slop
>>108444667ai is the twelveth industrial revolution and you should eat the bugs and live in the pod
>>108444733>It’s funny when people argue about AI environmentalism and it reveals they don’t actually think about the environment at all beyond engaging in this bad faith argument.I'm not talking about current infrastructure per se. Although it's getting there. I'm talking about their endgame and quest for AGI. Which will eventually need data centers the size of small cities. They'll never achieve it going this route, but they'll keep building and trying. It'll be the constant carrot on the stick. Because they're in a fucking cult and can't think clearly. A cult complete with gods and a promise of eternal life. And they're slowly proving as we speak how much they'll destroy in pursuit of it. In their minds, it will all pay off if they reach the AGI goal. I can't prove this, but my little pet theory is even that bullshit Trump tried to pull with Greenland was partly to help tech bros. It didn't work, but I think this shit is starting to affect big geopolitical issues at this point.
>>108444571What is it with men in their 40s or 50s and AI? Why is it so attractive to that particular demographic and unattractive to anyone else?
>>108444571>it's ai so it's badwrong>it's bad so it's probably ainow that's a 'good guess'
>>108444791Because they know they're going to die.
>>108444680Most advancements have followed the trend>new tool arrives>not as many people are needed for a given task>bunch of people lose their job>there's fewer people actually learning >low quality goods flood the market>people don't care, there's still supply of high quality goods available (transition stage) if they need them>years pass, craftsmen retire or move on>people now are getting buttfucked as the companies keep trying to cut corners and lower the cost (see also planned obsolescence) >high quality goods now cost an arm and leg and takes ages to find someone who can do the job
>>108444776You do realize that the "quest for AGI" is just made up for marketing purposes, right anon? You didn't actually fall for the investor hype intended to mindrape bagholders, r-right?
>>108444849Name one concrete example that fits your headcanon.
>>108445342No they don't. That all theater to pump their bags and scam investors, and you fell for it like a retard.
>>108445328At least half of them are Kurzweil tier freaks who've been going to AI cult conferences for years. I'm sure there's some public record of it even.
>>108445343Wooden furniture.
>>108445379Just more scams to show the gullible goyim with smoke and mirrors. The real purpose of the AI and mega datacenters is to facilitate massive realtime surveillance and control of the population.If you're going to complain about the situation please at least seek to build a proper mental picture or the situation so that you don't make a fool of yourself.
>>108445401I have no problem whatsoever with the wooden furniture in my home and none of it was worked by hand. Hand worked furniture is also still available in my area for reasonable prices (e.g. Amish made) but I don't choose it because what I have works fine. There is no furniture quality crisis.What's your next attempt at an example to support your chicken little delusions?
>>108445408you like insulting goyim, while pretending jews aren't doing anything. neck yourself.
>>108445343Leather goods, clothes in general, shoes. Pretty much anything that was once made by artisans. Industrially produced goods tend to be actually bads because they need to be economically competitive.
>>108445423I explicitly named the jew and pointed out their actual objectives as well as their tricks intended to distract the goyim with fairy tales about AGI.
>>108445435My clothing is also fine. Are you struggling to clothe yourself adequately?
>>108445422>Hand worked furniture is also still available in my area for reasonable prices (e.g. Amish made)lucky bastard
>>108445469Luck has nothing to do with it. You can order hand made furniture online if you really want to.You might pull up some expensive hand made item now as a failed gotcha attempt, but you should realize that expensive hand worked furniture has always existed, long before automation. And you should also relize that the purchasing power of our money has been crippled, so it isn't necessarily more expensive, we are just more poor on average.
>>108445422>>108445458I guess it's ok if you're a spiritual pleb. Did you know clothing is a major source of microplastic exposure in humans?
>>108445486>Luck has nothing to do with it.There are not hot Amish in my area, though.
>linus is compromisedhow's bsd these days
>>108444571What exactly is the problem with his statement? It's a pragmatic stance on the topic. "AI is le bad" on the other hand is a retard take. I don't care if an actual programmer uses AI because he understands what the AI spits out and is able to correct it if necessary. Precautions have to be taken, of course. When the pipeline gets clogged with automated AI slop merge requests, it becomes a problem.
>>108445646OpenBaSeD is the only way forward.
>>108445519nah I'm fine with microplastics in my clothes and blood stream. also shit constantly breaking and wearing down in no time is also good, it means I can consoome new shit more often
>>108445648>if an actual programmer uses AI because he understands what the AI spits out and is able to correct it if necessaryThat's the usual cope for AI-tards. In practice they don't even read what it shits out, even if they at some point did have the skill to verify it.
>>108445789This.To be more productive they will stop reading all the lines and understanding what it does and instead just run tests.Then those tests become ai generated.Now you don't know a thing it does.
>>108444764>twelvethOkay, I missed at least 5 or 6 before that, but I'm sure they were all a disaster to the human race anyway.
>>108445789>>108445832>In practice they don't even read what it shits out, even if they at some point did have the skill to verify it.Yes, absolutely true for most users of AI agent tools, but it is still possible to use them a proper manner.
>>108444571He either always was insane but in in the era of early internet nobody reported on that daily, or he completely lost it and is speed running linux as a service to globo homo.I actually bet on the first. Linux attracted anarchists back in the day. And linus's from a rich country. I find it oess and less reasonable to support his views.
>>108444662I'll make the logo.
>>108444571>factually correct statement, op misinterprets itNo-coders should not be allowed to make posts related to programming. Fuck off and go "rice" your retarded "le lightweight and debloated" arch fork
>>108444791You know how people on this site love to say "not my problem" about things that negatively affect other groups but not them? Same thing.
The human has to be inside the decision loop.
>>108446297I have to be inside that robot
>>108444571The powers that be have a new system that has been in the development for decades now, ready to be rolled out in the coming years. It will operate in parallel starting sometime this year and by the next decade it will be fully operational as the Agenda 2030 goals are slowly being implemented.There will be no collapse, no violence, no uprising, no world war, no revolution, no killing of jews or politicians or other such fantasies. Instead there will be law & order, compliance and total surveillance until the very end. AI will be at the center of it all. The Great Reset is inevitable.
>>108444571What the context? Link the mail.
>>108444571he's right tho, it's only bandwagon morons, displaced furry porn artists and salty troons that had a tenous grasp or claim to relevance while attached to redhat or other similar companies, who hate Ai, everybody else sees it for the tool it is.there's caution and then there's tribalistic hate driven by protectionism and useful idiots, and that's what most Ai haters are driven by.it's about the loss of opportunities for klout as well which these people hate that Ai represents, the democratization of achievement and loss of individual fame.
>>108446403Ai so far has been used to replace woke troublemakers in a number of creative roles, the open source troon types are screaming like a stuck pig because they know it will be a force coming for them since they won't ever stop trying to do a disruptive activism in everything they touch and that will be identified by an Ai as costing dollars and cents at some point.
>>108444600Yes
>>108446403>>108446429kys technofascists
>>108446447I'm a techofascist and I hate the AI bubble. We exist. Don't assume technofascist = AI shill
>>108444917>ESLSAAAAAAAR
>>108446462Agreed. If I were a technofascist I'd hate AI because it will surely undermine technofascism by introducing spiralling tech debt and generally making things even more dogshit and ineffective.
>>108445893You are like the communists arguing we need more niggers because not all niggers rape and wreck havock on society.The problem is a lot do, so why have it?
>>108446462my apologies.>>108446403>democratization of achievementI don't think so; skills were already "democratized" in that anyone can learn them. With AI, whoever owns the most compute extracts the most "achievement" out of the AI.
>>108444571>Mark my words, AI is going to tear apart the Linux kernel community very, very soon.>>108444651>>108446356can you Link to the email or his actual post. Rather than just posting a screenshot>>108446402>What the context? Link the mail.this
>>108446685just believe me bro, don't be a luddite
>>108446447it just means your woke slop games stop working at all within the next decade, the upside is that most political games like this stop working as well.
>>108446447if noting the inevitable human consequence of Ai in these fields and why it's predominantly leftoid hippy dippy cultist types that are big mad about Ai is fascism, I guess that makes me a fascist, lmao.
>>108446672I have no idea what the fuck you're on about, I have a few GPUs and can pay OpenAi $20 a month to use a shit load of GPUs and I barely own shit and can work a handful of github repos that do things that I need, with it, just fine, I'm getting plenty of achievement and I'm practically a bum so not sure what your point is there. achievement has most definitely been further democratized and it's in a way that disrupts open source institutions and things like their committees and such, there's less value in lead maintainers when anybody can contribute if they're at least up to speed on a project to some degree and care. I can see exactly why these people are mad, it threatens to take away their prestige.nobody wants to talk about the real reasons, just the stuffy intellectual reasons given as an excuse because the obvious real reasons are petty, childish, petulant and entitled in nature and nobody wants to admit that.it's funny watching these people be like the guy in austin powers screaming for a fortnight before he gets crushed by a steam roller, just get out of the way and you won't get crushed you dingus.
Anon is mad, lol.
When will people realise that Linus is not a free software advocate? He doesn't care that AI is immoral and built off of theft. This is the case for most people in tech who are experts in their field because their focus is about delivering a product in good time. He doesn't care that AI nullifies distribution licenses either.
i fingerblasted my anis and had an assgasm.. am i le gay?
>>108444571I hope so.
>>108444680tools are deterministicai is probabilisticyou can't depend of the tool that is unpredictableimagine if the saw could cut your fingers even though you have held it correctlyit's what a probabilistic tool would look like
>>108447371LLMs are tools for generating plausible-looking text. The issue is that everyone started misusing them for... everything else.>imagine if the saw could cut your fingers even though you have held it correctlyPretty much everyone is holding LLMs wrong.
>>108447371Have you ever hammered a nail? Go hammer in 100 nails and tell me if you can do each of them the same way every time. Even with a nail gun I bet each one’s a little different.
>>10844681720$ a month is quite a bit of money. Especially if you are fucking unemployed and nobody is hiring. All you fucking americunts are living privileged lives where you earn 10 times as much money while being 3-5 times more retarded and everything costs the same. Not even talking about these people in some fucking third world place where they earn equivalent of 300 usd a month.
>>108447455If you don’t live in America why don’t you just engage with your local economy and stop expecting American shit to be affordable for you?
>>108444628>He was recently paid a good amount of money by Google, Oracle and Anthropic.proof, especially of the last one?
>>108447421that's completely different kind of different. It's about precision. And AI is about randomness.
>>108447467Your stuff cost basically the same. I don't talk about buying your stuff. Food, utilities, house prices. Americans bitch about home prices while ours cost basically the same but we earn fraction of what you earn. Modern life is literal slavery. And AI makes everything even worse. because of unsatiable greed of the fucking jews.
>>108444571AI has killed programming as a whole. If you disagree, you probably stopped caring about programming a long time ago. And the sad truth is that we're never going back to how things used to be. People are not going to give up these powerful vibe coding tools. Linus himself uses them and likes them.
>>108444849Then there isn’t enough demand. So what, comrade, the government must require your autistic oak furniture made by gnomes in Amish country be sold in every Walmart?
>>108447571If you’re doing it for a hobby nothing is stopping you. If you’re doing it for work, who cares. I like tinkering with microcontroller and old 8-bit games. I get paid to make shit for plebs. I can just not vibecode one.
>>108444722>Just like AI.Current LLMs lie constantly and makes shit up.Imagine if your power tool malfunctions 90% of the time or even 50% or 30% of the time:https://www.visualcapitalist.com/sp/ter02-ranked-ai-hallucination-rates-by-model/
>>108447749>Then there isn’t enough demand.There's a guy who's been making leather stuff for decades, he has a 6-12 months long queue and he reserves the right to reject your request depending on what you want and the state of his queue. There's a really limited supply. Obviously I mean actual artisans, not hobbyists. Some aren't training any successors either.
>>108445328>Space:>the final frontier
>>108444791You'll understand when you get there.Yes, even (You) will.There's no avoiding it.
>>108447788>Current LLMs lie constantly and makes shit up.Less than humans, actually.
>>108448789Source?
>>108448816You. Your need to ask for a source shows that you at least subconsciously understand that humans on the internet can't be trusted.
>the incompetent Finnish gnome has an opinionGo make your fucking threads no longer block on open(). Before that you can shut your whore mouth, you incompetent autistic dingus.
>>108444737Incorrect. People using hand tools are stealing from everyone around them by not maximizing economic productivity.
>>108444571I bet 100% of the leftist trooners who rail against AI use it in secret for their projects, you know it's true because their furro comrades who attack AI all the time get exposed every week for tracing AI lmaoooooo
>>108449227You sound like you're doing exactly that.
https://lore.kernel.org/ksummit/CAHk-=wiUOYn4nyWyuvLh1O0j2reB_ec+4DAO06h7Pu36aA4iDg@mail.gmail.com/
>>108444571I feel like most of these discussion about AI miss the point. Using the tools when they are helpful isn't bad yes however what is being done is training the model on your input. There is tons of code on github and tons of discussion so yes the model can surely replace most mid devs. However there is a lack of insight on senior roles. You using it gives them access to the data. Therefore there will come a time in soon enough when the AI has more than enough data to replace you. This isn't much of a problem if the model was open however all AI models are closed source and the corps are doing everything in their power to prevent private consumers from acquiring adequate hardware. This is just a billionaire selling a service and putting you out of work which is insane and cannot possibly lead to a good future for anyone.Am not a professional programmer just my two cents.
>>108444585>AI enhances human productivity 100-1000x.>source: Sam Cuckman
I know this, this is the ideological Tanenbaum vs practical Torvalds debate. The "right" way of doing an operating system was a microkernel and servers that zing IPCs around, but they were slow and even Stallman failed to build one.
>>108447505It’s not the Jews fault bro, it’s your fault because you’re too lazy to get involved in local politics.
>>108452603Wrong. The actual right way of doing an operating system is look at the hardware since the 286, realize that mode switching costs are never ever going to do away, and try to upload as many requests as possible to the kernel, which would necessitate a monolith due to the underlying complexity.But, hey, since when have autists ever cared about the realities of the hardware.
https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/master/drivers/pci/quirks.chttps://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/master/drivers/hid/hid-quirks.chttps://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/master/drivers/usb/host/pci-quirks.chttps://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/master/drivers/usb/core/quirks.clook at this there are hacks in the kernel. how do you put together a hack? by putting in a code and trying it, 10 or 100 times.
>>108453423The smell realizer of the guy on the left reminds me of this clip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yna-gHpy6F4
>>108453423Very interesting code indeed, but I'd consider that as drivers, nothing else. The real world is filled with incorrect implementations of standards, workarounds prevent lockups whenever you encounter those. Ever tested USB devices for their actual compliance? Ever seen how mainboards announce their USB ports? It's all a big pile of... things.
Linus is correct as always; ai is the future, adopt or perish.
>>108444571why are people even upset about itthis is just a pragmatic approach that is decoupled of radicalized tribal philosophy of 'le ai bad' or 'singularity will save us tomorrow'
>>108444571Just 2 more time units.
>>108446356I'll be eating popcorn when the satanists and Sabbatean-Frankists get lynched.
>>108445648>he understands what the ai shits outThat is literally never the case.If a person understood how to write [THING], they would just write it. That would take the same amount of effort as auditing [THING] written by someone or something else, so there would be no benefit from not just writing it.
>>108444585high-quality bait
>>1084445850/10 bait
>>108444571HOLY BASED
>>108444571> 111 repliesdo people just lie on the internet and everyone believes them like this? lmao
>>108444571AI is already in the kernel. See git logs. Every second commit is>Claude review found that....>assisted-by: claudecode v.1........
>>108457314>AI is in the kernel>io_uring is still radioactiveCannot make this shit up.
>>108444571in my opinion, he's right and his message is completely reasonablethe sad part is that I can't imagine anyone listening
The kernel was dead to me the second it started accepting rust tranny code
>>108444571>AI is going to tear apart the Linux kernel community very, very soon.Good! The sooner the better! I've got the kernel source (a good pre-rust version) so fuck 'em. Linux lost his mind like ten years ago and the only way to stop him is to bring the whole thing down. Change soon to now!Before you rebuild, properly, there must first be collapse.It's time to rip that band-aid off.
>>108444571All of your predictions are always wrong. Maybe learn how to shut the fuck up.
>>108444585>—quality shitpost
>the world isnt entirely deterministic¿proofs?
>>108448884Never mistake stupidity for malice, life is less stressful that way.
>>108458772>kernel source (a good pre-rust version)Which version is that?Also, isn't the Rust code only in some really obscure device drivers that nobody actually uses?
