In 3 years:If you want to play video games or are a Linux enthusiast, buy a steam deck or a steam machine.If you want to do creative tasks or just browse the internet, buy a MacBook neo or mac mini What will be left for windows exactly? For normal people who use computers for gaming or YouTube?
>>108451055But what if I want to do both, mr. retarded faggot OP?
>>108451055>creative tasksthose will be ported to linux too>browse the internetliterally any pc made in the last decade can already do that
>>108451081Buy a normal PC and install Linux then.
>>108451084The MacBook neo has 16h battery life, is quiet and doesn't get hot with good build quality. It's just objectively better for those tasks than windows laptops.Unlikely that any company will develop an arm implementation for Linux on laptops that could compete so Macs will be your best optionAnd for desktop/gaming, just use the steam machine
>>108451115no, it's notneo378 minutes/37 watts = 10.22 watts per minuteaspire 14650 minutes/67 watts = 9.7 watts per minute5% more efficient at best and that's competing against windowsit stands no chance against linux
>>108451145minutes per watt for both, not watts per minute, higher is better obviouslyidk how i fucked this up
>>108451055>>108451115Steam Deck/Machine can not play games. It’s heavy reliance on Windows files is the weakest of Proton. You people did not leave Microslop, you changed it to something else.
>>108451340retarddo you expect valve to throw away billions on paying everyone for native linux builds?for what gain? 5% more performance at best?it's a stopgap and it's already fucking excellent at that, it beats native windows in many casesyes, it's leaving microsoft, the end user sees nothing that's specifically windows
>>108451340Linux being much leaner than windows more than makes up for any proton performance drops
>>108451115>doesn't get hotYou mean like, it doesn't get hot on the surface? Because the CPU has literally no cooling and overheats very easily.
No Copilot checkmate, atheists
>>108451055>What will be left for windows exactly?best games !best software!We feel your pain that you are not able play games on apple!And we are sorry for you!!!PC Master RACE!!!Bitch!!!x) As always!!!
>>108451055office/businessm$ doesn't give a fuck about regular users
>>108451379>>108451409It’s not a good PC for anything, not gaming or basic open source software work. The fact that it really requires Windows is by itself a failure and the real change to Linux isn’t happening.
>If you want to do creative tasks or just browse the internet, buy a MacBook neo or mac mini...or just buy a cheap windows laptop, like most people do nowedays, the Neo is cheap but not cheap enough for that
>>108452014copelinux is growing rapidly and your seethe isn't stopping itand no, no matter how much you cope the end user isn't actually bound up with any windows shitwarethe whole point of leaving windows is to get rid of the whole fucking kernel and spyware operating system
You'd think with their perfect OS lintards would have reached Nirvana, but instead they spend all day screeching about Windows. Why is that? I mean look at this nut job >>108452428
>>108453650off yourself, retardthe only mention of windows in that post chain was in regards to a retard or (You) insisting that you're not leaving windows on linux when you as a user are not interacting with it at any step
>>108451055>Linuxenjoy your preemptive compliance with radical leftwing laws that don't even exist yetlinux is probably already compiling a user list to hand over to the dnc
>>108451055Microslop-lusing corporations and online gamers.
>>108453691Subhuman.
>>108453705you're mentally illif you believe it's not going to impact windows, macos, ios and android first and foremost and that they're not going to welcome it you're delusionallinux is the only place where actual pushback can even happen, which is why people are even talking about it
every game worth playing can be played on a recent macbook
>>108453820apple toys are quantifiably worthlesstheir efficiency gains are minimal and they throttle when given an actual loadtheir sole purpose is to be a phone with a physical keyboard
>>108453820not cs2
>>108451055>If you want to do creative tasks or just browse the internet, buy a MacBook neo or mac minifyi Wine run fine on macOS, and the GPUs on Apple Silicon chips are surprisingly capable; an M4 Max will match an RTX 3070 (desktop, not doing the retarded comparison with laptop chips)eg: https://nanoreview.net/en/gpu-compare/geforce-rtx-3070-vs-apple-m4-max-gpu-40-coreare they beating nvidia flagships? no waycan you play any game just fine on them? yes, as long as it works through wine or has a mac version>>108453837if it's just for the shitpost, fineif it's a genuine belief, you should look at thermal throttling test for the MBP and Mac Mini/Studio (tl:dr: they don't throttle whatsoever unless you throw a combined CPU/GPU load at them for ages)>>108453839this is just wrong thoValve stopped making a native version but it runs just fine through Wineor are you simply retarded?
>>108453926>it runs just fineelo?
>>108453926uh huhno throttling here, it's expected to run at 105
>>108451055>What will be left for windows exactly? For 99% of people?
>>108451055Windows does everything, and will continue to do everything long after you're found dangling in your room by your disappointed parents.
>>108454032>it's expected to run at 105based on? some retarded youtuber's opinion?clearly it's not throttling in your own screenshot thereif anything power draw and frequency rise between the start and end of your graphs>>108453998ah so it's just low-functionning tism, never mind and carry on, anon
>>108454032Why yes Apple is being retarded on purpose, always have been.
>>108454102retard, that's a cpu only load and it's at fucking 105this is not acceptable, you're not running a workstation load on this shit
>>108454122>you're not running a workstation load on this shitsource: "I didn't try, but I kinda feel like it's true, even if the only test I did showed I was wrong"you are barely above the average normie with this argument anonhere's a hit: since it was CPU only, the fans didn't even try ramping up; combined workloads do get the fans to ramp up
>>108454102>low-functionning tismif it can't push 280fps on native res, then it can't actually run cs2
>>108454137WHY ARE THE FANS NOT RAMPING UP WHEN THE CPU IS ONE HUNDRED AND FIVE DEGREES >>108454116>>108454116>>108454116
>>108454137source is looking at the piddly fucking heatsink and understanding that it can't sustain a load for an extended period of time like a workstation
>>108454162>if it can't push 280fps on native resthen... plug an external 1080p display and you'll get your 280fps on native res?what are you even getting this angry about for?and CS pros always have and always will play on low resolution in the first place, with graphics as low as tournaments will allow, and would enable CS 1.6 graphics if they couldall because they'll care more about input latency gains and avoiding 1% lows spiking no matter what the average isyou probably want /vg/ not /g/ if that's your concerns idk>>108454169so... all else is equal frequency and power-wise, but you are mad because...?you can probably find fan noise ASMR videos on youtube if you just reaaaally like the noise so much>>108454185these chips will do like 150W TDP max in combined loadthe fact that they outperform combos of a 300W CPU and 600W GPU doesn't mean they need the same coolingthe neo's lack of any heat management whatsoever is stupid though, but it's also like a 5W chip...you all are getting really angry about vibes rather than at actual measurements, it's pretty strange even by /g/ standards desu
>>108454241>these chips will do like 150W TDP max in combined load>the fact that they outperform combos of a 300W CPU and 600W GPU doesn't mean they need the same coolingappleniggers are legitimately delusional
>Two more weeks
>>108451055>What will be left for windows exactly?Millions of business licenses
>>108451340>Steam Deck/Machine can not play gamesThis.Valve is retarded for pushing wine/proton as the le epic gaming platform.Imagine relaying on a retarded emulator that plays catch up to windows in every single aspect of its existence.>Steam Deck/MachineFun fact steamies (I know one IRL a zoomer) will spam the internet how great Steam Deck is and how they totally will buy one, however the zoomer never buys any steam deck.>Steam Deck/MachineRemember the other steam machine? The one valve abandoned in 2014 or so? Remember that? Imagine basing your gaming on valve LOL.
>>108451055>in 3 yearsWhat's with Indians and this shit? Why not now? What are you afraid of?
>>108454265>if I deny reality hard enough, it will stop being trueI mean, suit yourself
>>108454798prove that it's reality to begin with
>>108451145It might have been even more efficient if Apple got rid of the liquid glass everywhere, kind of like how Microsoft got rid of Aero glass in Windows 8 because the Surface RT couldn't handle it.
>If you want to play video games or are a Linux enthusiast, buy a steam deck or a steam machine.Got a friend who's been trying to run Genshin on Cachy. It's no longer working for him, so he's been playing on his phone for the past few weeks or so. I play Genshin, HSR, and ZZZ, and I don't want to fight a program that doesn't always want to run in Proton, so I'm gonna have to keep using Windows for gaming purposes. At least for now.Still use Linux for my actual work.
>>108453926>nanoreviewyeah bud the first line says gaming performance is on par, but if you scroll down they literally only have numbers for the 3070
you're not included in their future
I can't use Winjeet or Deepakdroid any longer. If something doesn't work between Linux and Apple, I don't need to use it. There are gaming addicts who are going to keep using Windows so they can play League of Legends. The spyware was okay when the product underneath worked well. There were always workarounds for everything. The H1B devs have spent the last 5 or so years focused exclusively on closing every loophole, while the quality of the product has degraded to full on Pajeet duct tape. The future of Android is in China. Once Google fucks the AOSP hard enough, which they want to do as soon as possible, the Chinese will make their own phone OS as a successor.
>>108454927no, it just shows that everything good about apple is down to tsmcwhen they're made on comparable process nodes muh apple magic evaporates, that aspire laptop would stomp it if the entire office suite was on linuxthe reason that apple has any sort of lead is that amd, nvidia and intel can't just waste money on newest process nodesbecause they're serious companies that power the digital world with their siliconapple makes cult fetishes for spoiled adults that they charge a premium for
>>108455073and 3DMark is not representative of gaming performance? nor any of the other tests for which they do have numbers?unfortunately measured on macbook pro not mac mini/studio since they seem laptop-focused, but have more I guess: https://www.notebookcheck.net/Apple-M4-Max-40-core-GPU-Benchmarks-and-Specs.920457.0.html
>>108455127>when they're made on comparable process nodes muh apple magic evaporateswow, all the PC manufacturers must be really stupid and you really really smart!you could change the industry if you enlightened them of that fact which they are surely not aware of!you realize this is the stupidest fucking take on this board, and the bar is low, because other companies would immediately jump to do the same thing if it was as simple as spending a bit more to reserve some TSMC capacity>>108454927>might have been even more efficient if Apple got rid of the liquid glass everywhere>kind of like how Microsoft got rid of Aero glass in Windows 8 because the Surface RT couldn't handle it.it looks similar on the surface, but the technology and hardware diff between now and then is incomparablethe cost of running it nowadays on modern enough hardware is basically zero; I'm sure it's technically measurable, with enough effort, but if it's greater than 2-3% we would know by now
>>108455203yes, retard, stop sucking off apple and pretending they're some voodoo magicthey're not, they're only allowed to win anything because the actually serious companies move slower since they need to consider more than maintaining their cult propaganda like apple
>>108451055>What will be left for windows exactly?CAD
>>108455241holy copewhy yes apple has been the only one taking advantage of TSMC magic for the past... let me check... 6 years now!and I presume you think Intel has also been very gracefully letting AMD munch on their ass just because they're serious and "need to consider more" things, and that AMD hasn't competed with nvidia on GPUs for 15 years for the same reasonsthe world must look very confusing and strange when you have the comprehension abilities of a teaspoon and refuse to accept reality at every step of the way
>>108451055X86 will disappear pretty quickly. Android desktop will take over many devices, not GNU/Linux (Debian applications are already compatible with it). So it will just be apple and google operating systems for most people, with a few exceptions.
>>108455286>X86 will disappear pretty quickly.I feel like this board gives us an insight into the dumbest minds imaginable.
Every time I think about using Linux I realize Linux users are just as retarded as windows fanboys.
>>108455295When I’m at the ATM, I’m not looking over my shoulder for Windows fanboys.
>>108455265yes retard, why the fuck do you think the desktop silicon lags behind on nodes? because it's actually importantapple silicon isn't, they can manage to shit it out every year
>>108455301Nobody said that but thanks for saying you totally do
>>108455294Just look at how fast and efficient Apple's chips are, x86 can't compete with that. Not now, not ever. ARM competitors are working hard to make a competing product and Qualcomm is doing a decent job. When they have a comparable SoC to apple silicon, x86 will be dead in the water.
>>108455353>Just look at how fast and efficient Apple's chips aresee>>108451145
>>108455084total fucking glownigger dreamland lmao
>>108455303lmao you really truly think the entire PC industry are just retards and you, you that probably are just a dumb CS undergrad if that, know the Truthyou should make threads of your own on this board, spread your holy gospel! we need new schizos!
>>108455316It’s a joke, sperg/bot/jeet
>>108455442no, i'm not saying they're retards, are you a moron? what they're doing is expected and it's more grounded than what apple doesmoving slower and wanting cost effective, mature silicon matters when you power the worldwhen you're apple and just make expensive overpriced toys that get by on their cultish reputation, it doesn'tapple's shit doesn't go into servers or datacenters
>>108455470>moving slower and wanting cost effective, mature silicon matters when you power the worldyeah that really matters for the 78th iteration of some random acer aspire>apple's shit doesn't go into servers or datacentersnot only has nobody talked about DC usage, you're still talking about 6 years delay which is inconsistent with time to market, even in the server spacesee: Intel's cadence between desktop and Xeons, AMD's time between Ryzen and EPYC, and literally just bouncing at least a few of your braincellsyes you probably delay 1 year, maybe 2, but not 6. you're just being obtuse cause you're mad
>>108451145>>108455359Not how that works, you also have to factor in performance per watt, battery capacity and exclude peripherals (neo has a much higher resolution screen for example). If you look up actual numbers M4 chips are 4-10x more efficient than x86 depending on the workload and Qualcomm is closing in. x86 is as good as done for, even factoring in high performance non mobile machines.
>>108455588>yeah that really matters for the 78th iteration of some random acer aspireyeah, exactly, it fucking doesn'tbut it does when you desperately need to prove something like Intel with its tumultuous position that acer aspire with lunar lake v is within margin of error of the neo and beats everything else with M5 in it even with the handicap of windows bloatand yes, that delay matters a lot more when you want a stable, mature node and it doesn't just go into apple toysor you end up believing that fucking nvidia has an incentive to hold back nodes as if 3nm wouldn't make them an absolute ass load of money right now
>>108455686>If you look up actual numbers M4 chips are 4-10x more efficient than x86produce those numbers cultist
>>108454241>Xers cpu is literally melting xis keyboard, but that's fine because otherwise we'd have some ambient noise.
>>108451055>If you want to play video games99% of people still buy a console
I boughtedASUS ROG STRIX-G16-G614JU-N3020W 16 Inch FHD+ 165Hz Laptop (Processor Intel Core i7-13650HX, 16GB DDR5, 512GB SSD, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4050, Windows 11 Home) - AZERTY Keyboardfrom amazon de at a little under 1000 euros a couple of months ago.is it a little heavy? yes. does the battery last more than 5 hours. no. is it cheap and does it literally do everything. yes.
>>108451145>>108451180>minutes per watt>watts per minute>watts is a unit of energy per secondsorry what? just how scientifically illiterate is the average /g/ user?
>>108451055Microsoft doesnt care about desktop slop. They only make money with the Cloud aka Azure Linux now.
>>108457292They made 17.3 billion off Consumer Windows last year, that’s before Office revenue. I’m pretty sure they care. For comparison, the linux foundation raises about 300 million per year (rounding error for Microsoft) and spends about 7 million trickles down to kernel development.
Bought a steam deck last weekIt's easier to install 25-30 years old pc games than on my w10 computer
>>108457043Stop being petty, battery capacity is measured with wattsYou know exactly what it means
ive already gotten rid of it all, my only modern windows machine is an offline only box for my favorite old gamesit got a GPU driver after i installed windows and then was filled with copies of my physical discs and assorted mods and whatever, and gog installersit didnt even have a driver for the ethernet, this machine thought it was 2021 until yesterdayi put hotline miami on there, and i went to run it and it said i need net framework 3.5ok, no issue, i go download the offline installer for net frame 3.5>launch the dotnetfx35.exe >"this application needs net framework 3.5 to run">the application that needs net framework 3.5, is the offline installer for net framework 3.5>fuck around with this for too long and give in>change the time and date to today, make sure windows update is paused, disable all its services>install the ethernet driver>plug it in to the network>let it download and install net framework 3.5 itself>meanwhile i keep getting notifications "a new driver was installed!">despite windows update being paused it still keeps downloading drivers for shit>breaks my nvidia driver by replacing it with a worse one but thats fine, it can be fixed>net framework 3.5 finishes downloading>unplug it from the internet instantly>its updated edge and gives me a full screen "welcome to the new microsoft edge" thing without ever having launched iti had to undo like 8 different things because windows just couldnt do what it was told, that being "dont do anything i dont tell you to do"and all because this retarded operating system insisted it needed the desired program as a dependency for itselffucking..., whatever, it works nowbut shit like this is why i bought a mac, i clicked some extremely easy to get to sliders that disable updates and it never bothers me about anything, ever, it doesnt do anything i dont tell it to domy only windows machine exists as damn near an entirely offline games console to play empire earth and it can barely do that
>>108455359the acer is like 30% slower than the neo
>>108451055>Dont' have a qwerty keyboard>Shits itself.it's trash
>>108451340I think that's the "Proton/Linux Microsoft" /v/ spammer-jeet. Don't fall for bait, last discussion was about proton "relying" on Microsoft and that proton is "closed source"
>>108451055Anti cheat devs will always want to rely on Microsoft's Driver Signing & Secure Boot implementation to stop users from loading their own kernel level anti anti cheat. Can't do that on Linux where the very Kernel is something the user can recompile.
>>108451145everyone knows Linux sucks ass on laptops, they can’t even fix the sleep daemon and it uses more battery
>>108451055>want to bookmark foldersorry kid, best I can do is give you folder coloring filter system slop
I don't even think you have access to the file system on a mac. That faggot steve jobs didn't want us seeing our actual file system. God gave him cancer for making something so shitty. Jobs didn't want us looking under the hood. Well, the universe is quite ironic and not to be mocked. Think about it, he didn't want us knowing how a computer works. And he didn't know how his own body worked. God smited him for obfuscating information. The irony. Oh my
>>108458634>>108458654sounds like skill issues, jamalanons
>>108451055>buyYou mean "lease," don't you? ;^)
>>108451055Windows disdain to their users can only survive if Apple mimics it. And they are starting down that route with marking Tahoe as an update not an upgrade. But we'll see, maybe the Mac team will stop themselves before becoming a joke like Windows.
>>108451055>What will be left for windows exactly?US GOV, office drone stuff, and game development for Steam machines.
>>108451055microsoft will always be cheaper than apple. it will be for people who don't mind that their data is being stolen.
