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do you take naps?

I have the following conundrum:
I know that one of my coworkers will be fired. the guy sucks technically speaking, but he has a kid.
I wish to tell him. I want him to be prepared. another factor is that he's trying to move to the office from another city, and so he might end up wasting money.
I don't know if someone else knows about his firing, so I can't tell him directly, not even anonymously, because if he says anything I would get doxxed pretty fast, probably.
how would you warn him, or dissuade him from moving, without exposing yourself?

My favorite coworker who was like the team mom got sacked, I don't care if her work was shit now I have 0 morale since then and these whole projects can go to fucking hell.

>>108452769
Why was it deleted?

>>108452889
I don't know, I guess some j4nny got mad.
considering that /utwg/ keeps getting deleted, I fear /twg/ might be killed too...

>>108452911
But what could be the reason? Did you get banned?

>>108452850
>conundrum
Gay ass word

>>108452986
I have no clue, I'm not the OP of the previous thread (which should be obvious by this point)

>>108453014
Maybe OP got banned and all his posts were automatically pruned as well.

>>108452769
shit redditnigger OP

>>108453022
Maybe it was the shitty linkedin screencaps

>>108452830
I say this and look like this

>>108452850
what's wrong with just telling him privately? tell him he isn't supposed to know about it.

>>108452850
Its hard to say. I once told my female coworker something in confidence about something only me and someone else knew and she instantly blew my cover. Afterwards when I basically went "What the fuck is your problem? If you do this then no one will ever tell you anything" and she got mad at me as if she did nothing wrong.
Based on my own experience I would say keep quiet, not everyone knows how or that they should keep mum on things and this good deed that you are trying to do will blow up in your face.

>>108452769
Previous thread was https://desuarchive.org/g/thread/108447708

>>108453040
That thread had no linkedin stuff at all.
Maybe the linkedin posted was a j4nny, and got mad when someone else started a new thread?

>>108453081
Ah, it's probably because OP posted faggot shit

>>108452996
your dad is gay, faggot

>>108453065
>>108453075 gave you a better response than whatever I could have said.
there are labor laws and stuff. if I tell him and my coworker says something, I could be in deep trouble. at least my boss will lose all trust he had on me. coworker could sue the company and they would blacklist me or some shit.
you don't have much experience, do you?

>>108453100
Sounds plausible, but who knows. But I've seen that happen. There seems to be a new j4nny who doesn't know how to (ask to) delete images instead of having the whole thread nuked lmao

I can’t get a job

>>108453128
what labor law does telling someone theyre about to be fired violate?
yeah its obviously not good if they find out you told him. if your assumption is that he will immediately start manufacturing evidence for wrongful termination on hearing it, then you have answered your own question: dont do anything. or did you expect someone to teach you how to astrally project inside his head to plant the idea without him knowing?

>>108453229
Have you tried getting into a trade?

>>108452850
Fired or laid off? Firing someone takes time, and there needs to be documented steps to correct performance unless he went streaking through the office or something. If it's performance related, he already knows he's doing a shit job and being fired shouldn't come as a surprise. Unless you're in the chain of command you probably shouldn't be privy to it at all, so about the only thing you might do is make sure his manager is aware he's trying to move and all that. Don't tell the guy himself, there's the chance he'll go loose cannon and sabotage stuff, get caught, and then squeal on you for telling him.

>>108453243
>dont do anything. or did you expect someone to teach you how to astrally project inside his head to plant the idea without him knowing?
I guess I could be subtle enough about it in a way that he only realizes later, or just try to dissuade him from wasting more time and money.

>>108453249
>Fired or laid off?
I don't know, but I assume he'll be laid off. in any case, in my country any worker can sue for being laid off or fired, and he might even win.

>you probably shouldn't be privy to it at all
I know, boss told me it's confidential info

>make sure his manager is aware he's trying to move and all that
I don't think the boss cares much. there have been similar instances in the past.

>Don't tell the guy himself, there's the chance he'll go loose cannon and sabotage stuff, get caught, and then squeal on you for telling him.
right. like I told the other anon, I'd need to be subtle.

or maybe I should stop worrying about him. shit sucks though.

>>108452996
Boorish simpleton

>Boss always misses 1:1
>Boss always reschedules 1:1
idk does this kinda piss anyone off to someone? I just feel like dude, we booked a time to meet EVERY week, how the hell can you not spare an hour to talk about our items. it's even worse when he hijacks it and presents just a shit ton of stuff to do for me and I have this backlog that I still need his thoughts on or what he wants me to do with it.

>>108453176
There's literally cropped lolicon h in the catalogue and posters in the thread admitting being pedophiles. Why don't they delete that?

>>108453547
This isn't reddit.

>>108453547
They probably should. Who can understand the mind of a janny?

>>108453559
rip r/jailbait

>>108453648
How old are you to even remember that?

>coworkers are not friends
>besides it's just literal 50+ years olds and college innterns
>online is dead
At least we have twg and g, for now. Good night bros.

>>108453663
30..

>>108453743
>for now
yeah, for now. we don't know why but jannies keep deleting /utwg/, they just deleted the previous /twg/ and we don't know why

the first job i got out of college (and i'm still in) is basically a joke benchwarming programming job. we don't have centralized repositories. we use gitlab and azure and some internal system for hosting shit and a lot of people just keep code on their local machines or on a physical server they ssh into.
no one really checks up on me or requires much, so i basically just drag my feet on projects and as long as i am apparently making progress, it's fine. i'm hybrid and on days when i'm at home i can just sleep in until like noon and hold down a button on my keyboard to keep teams active.
how atypical is this as a job? part of me feels like i'm rotting if i stay here and i'm worried i'm going to lose skills. but the other part of me likes being able to watch youtube videos in bed and get paid for it.
if i get another job will i be able to find one like this again or is this rare?

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Should I join the military

>>108453743
>>online is dead
no way, there is an infinite flood of untamed, unsatisfied zoomer pussy aching for older guys who have their shit together and can spoil them with money that they dont have and never will have because >job market

like holy shit it's the best time to be employed and single right now

>>108453081
>Maybe the linkedin posted was a j4nny, and got mad when someone else started a new thread?
no im the linkedin OP spammer i just havent seen a single good post on linkedin anymore, maybe making fun of shitty linkedin posts has become too mainstream...

>>108453976
i'm 30 and part of me wishes i did. i'd like to have gone for something noncombat like 35N and try to get a 3 year contract. if i'd have done that right after high school, i could have probably done some fun shit and gotten a clearance out of it, and gotten tuition paid for.
i could have gone to a better school but out of state tuition is crazy so i just went to a state one, and i think that sucks. i think if you went to a school with smart people at it, you'd probably make friends with those people and it's useful for progressing your life.
because the people i'm friends with were the people i went to school with.

>>108453976
Assuming you're in the US:
I was in the Navy from 2016-2020 as an IT and I would advise against it. It does largely depend on your life circumstances and personality, though. For me, I was broke, young, with no education/experience, and no one to help me. If your life situation is like that, the military is a good starting point for your career because you get training and work experience and you can get certs/college paid for. But if you've already got the funding for certs/college, or the opportunity to acquire experience in the field without the military, I'd suggest taking that first.
I was also a poor fit personality wise for the military. I'm one to question the "why" of things, and to see inefficiencies in a corporate system and call them out. If you can stand someone with an obvious lust for power telling you to do things just to have control over you (legitimate psycho/sociopaths) without a real purpose, or you aren't able to identify such things, then you could be a good fit otherwise you'll probably be miserable for 4 years.

>>108453988
I'm employed and happily NOT single thank you very much
wouldn't mind if the Mrs let me pound some of that zoomer punani though...

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sirs 1 question

Currently i have almost 10 yoe and im employed. my job is nice and sometimes i have nothing to do all week, only problem is i need to go to the office 3x/week. My pay is good but i was thinking if i could get a similar job 100% wfh, then eventually i could get another one and end up earning way more than today even if both pay less than my current job. So i will start focusing on get a wfh job.

My stack and most of my experience is backend finance w spring ecosystem, angular, aws, azure, db2/ms sql, quality gates, autosys and cicd. Can i go with this or this stack is too entrepisy for a wfh job? Do i need to learn tools used by smaller corps like kotlin, react, vue and focus on fullstack?

>>108453976
If you are young yes, do your 20 years and then get outta there.

I just blindly approve and merge PRs like a madman
someone stop me

>>108452850
There's no reason to tell that to people you barely know even if it's subtle. He might even think you're responsible for his firing and hate you for that.

>>108452769
this pic for real.

I am incapable of thoughts beyond coding basic shit at work. Idkwtfii

>code something
>get asked about the data
>have no clue and need to check the code logic

it's like when other people program they hold on to these facts. I have no clue

On a semi related note, gpt 5.4 saved my ass this week. Somehow I migrated code from slop to acceptable code without knowing how the slop worked. The migrated code didn't provide the day data so I told gpt 5.4 to just make it work, and the tests passed. I didn't understand anything.

Fuuck I feel dumb, but pandas data engineering is also fucked up

>>108452850
m8, you said he's already a bad developer, but he's also obtuse on top of that. All young men are naïve like that and have to learn, you're not his dad. If you want to at the minimum, you can give him some blanket advice about "always having a backup in these times" or "I've always thought what if I get fired..." or something like that, but don't put your own integrity on the line for him. You've been trusted by your managers enough that they'll tell you who they're going to fire, if you go behind their back and tell this young guy what they told you (a person they like enough to NOT fire), they're not going to trust you very much in the future.

Secondly, if your managers tell people who they're going to fire before doing so, take that as a precaution about how they're potentially going to act to you in the future when they want to can you too. aka, they'll probably tell someone else and not tell you first, and then spring it on you.

>>108454314
most companies won't allow you to get another job if you're employed with them as wfh full-time, otherwise you get fired
it's especially bad if you break a non-compete clause
but you wouldn't be the first person to ever get two full-time tech jobs at the same time
it sounds too stressful for someone like me who enjoys laying back with frequent breaks but still has to deal with high demand of unclear tasks

>>108454549
>All young men are naïve like that and have to learn

Some people never learn. I had a coworker who was a bad and lazy developer. He lasted long only because of favoritism. When ownership of the company changed, he eventually got fired after it became obvious he was barely doing any work at all. Despite his firing he didn't change his attitude and lifestyle.

>>108453976
I don't know your circumstances, but if you're asking if you should, then you probably should.
>I'm 40 years old, making 7 figures, and the CEO says he wants me to replace him
>Should I enlist in the Army as a truck driver?
no nigga lmao

>I'm an unemployed loser in my early 20's
>Should I join the military to do some spook shit?
Yes

Should I even bother applying to jobs, I feel so demotivated

>>108454359
>>108454549
lots of assumptions there, m8s. we've been in the same team for years, we are not young, and we're not devs. sure, he's not my friend

>if you go behind their back and tell this young guy what they told you (a person they like enough to NOT fire), they're not going to trust you very much in the future.
to be fair, I don't give a shit about my manager. I wouldn't care if he got fired (the traitorious fucker). but sure, having access to this kinda info can be useful, and it also shows that he trusts me. what worries me more are possible legal/reputational consequences. though in my area there still are tons of opportunities

>>108455087
of course you should. and you should ask us how to help you get a job, or to help you sharpen your skills, or maybe start your own bsns.

>>108454147
There usually are whys but we just didn't bother always explaining to the dirty blue shirts because it usually only led to some smart ass trying to weasel his way out of work with "clever" arguments

>>108455097
>of course you should. and you should ask us how to help you get a job, or to help you sharpen your skills, or maybe start your own bsns.
I'm working right now in a different field but i have a comp sci degree and I am really interested in proving myself but just feel exhausted after work prepping for interviews. I know skill issue and just need to grind but fug

I just need to stop being a fucking pussy

>>108453976
Fuck no lmao. Don't do it bro.

>>108455134
if youre working in a different field and you can progress it as a career, just do that. the only way this field gets any better is if they stop h1b fraud or impose penalties for offshoring. neither will ever happen.

>>108455224
I have ~10 years experience and if i apply myself and land a fagman job I will basically just be sidegrading/slight downgrade in terms of salary but gaining higher immediate upside after a few years.

If I want to progress salary wise now I would need to start getting into the business/management side which I'm not sure im interested in

Any advice on professional development? Should I go for a masters degree or pursue certifications? Any resources, even if paid?

>>108455134
I guess you could start learning to prompt, since everyone is asking workers to do that shit. if you manage to build (vibe code) something decent, you might either get a job showing that as a "finished product", or might even start your own stuff.

> I am really interested in proving myself but just feel exhausted after work prepping for interviews
I know that feel, anon. shit's hard. I myself haven't learned a thing in quite a while, even though I have lots of free time, and that's simply because my job sucks my motivation out of me. I'm fucking tired of this bullshit, but even though I have enough savings to live for, like, a decade, I won't resign.. cuz the money is too good.

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>switch was dying
>when troubleshooting I caused a spanning tree loop
oops

>>108455267
>guess you could start learning to prompt, since everyone is asking workers to do that shit. if you manage to build (vibe code) something decent, you might either get a job showing that as a "finished product", or might even start your own stuff.
I've tried but I find pure vibecoding anything just pure hell. Maybe its also skill issue but its great at getting something setup but once it says its "done", getting it to wrap it all up into something you can actually distribute to others seems like it is never able to do without a fuck load of headache.

Plus I don't personally like creating some black box thing that I actually don't really understand how its put together and would never trust letting it loose into the wild

>>108455284
>Plus I don't personally like creating some black box thing that I actually don't really understand how its put together and would never trust letting it loose into the wild
SAAR NO RACISM TO INDIA SAAR

>>108455097
>lots of assumptions there, m8s. we've been in the same team for years, we are not young, and we're not devs. sure, he's not my friend

You said can't trust him enough to not snitch on you or keep his mouth shut. The number of years you've worked with him is irrelevant. It's just camaraderie you've imagined in your head.

>>108455267
>I myself haven't learned a thing in quite a while
Doesnt your job supposed to do that for you? What is there to learn outside of work?

>>108455097
>you should ask us how to help
Last time i did this i get called a shitskin and get told dutch people are raping my women

>>108455124
Yeah the officers were always good about things, I only had a few bad encounters with them. The real issue is the E5-E7 getting their first taste of leadership/power and not knowing how to handle it, or abusing it. Senior+ usually had it figured out.

>>108455432
anon, this is tech... there is always something new to learn, some trendy new thing, whatever.
plus my field is very fucking wide. learning anything (ANYTHING) related to computers (in the

>>108455441
lmao

>>108455441
Well, is it true?

>ask a super basic question or push back on anything with the least amount of force
>"quick call?"

How are doing in these dark times?

>>108455634
>"quick call?"
>it isn't a quick call

>>108455643
Watching it all go down the jeet drain

>>108455634
I do this as I hate the back and forth in Slack.

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i passed the network+ today
thats 2 out of 3.. now jus need security+

then idk

>>108455663
we would not get along

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I gave up job searching a while ago and im currently welfare. Got laid off from my cushy tech job and looking back, it was pretty obvious that they were going to start downsizing. But its not all bad, being a NEET is great. If I could live like this for the rest of my life i'd be satisfied, but my instincts are telling me I should be using my unlimited free time now to learn some actually useful skills.

Coding and tech are dead ends but maybe I should focus on more real life stuff.

>>108455643
I just want to grill for god sake!

>>108455634
>oops i just broke my phone

>>108455634
>>108455645
>Inter-team call
>Call drags on to after hours as developer from other team neurotically explains why it's perfectly safe to keep the passwords in plaintext in the source code
>Our team is paid hourly, he's salaried
>We put our mics on mute and shoot the shit until he's done talking (to himself)

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i wrote my resignation email but i'm afraid to hit Send becuase I'm such a pussy

>>108455713
This will come for a lot of us soon enough. At my place there has been this huge push to get everyone using AI and building MCP, claude skills, plugins for everything. People are working harder than before even with AI assistance as no one wants to get left behind and lose their job. There's been a huge ramp up in expected productivity and managers seem to expect people to create platforms in days now. I am not sure what the future holds, thought I am looking forward to the next major production outage.

>>108453244
realistically what trade is easy to pivot to from dev?

>>108455791
Yeah, at my old job, supervisors were pushing to implement AI in our everyday work as well. It kind of redpilled me on what a grift the whole push for AI is right now and even if its not as productive as flesh and blood employees, the companies are beholden to the shareholders heavily invested in it and don't really care.

I don't miss that shit and probably won't be going back into tech ever again.

>>108452769
What do Principals even do?

What should I do to get hired as a BISO?

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Has AI affected your job yet?

>>108455873
Stop posting ai slop vids

whens it time for us snow niggas to get reparations? the jewish man done put us out a job by financing AI and handing the jobs to indians. hows a hyperborean sposed to make ends meet in this world?

>>108455915
That video is older than you.

>>108455959
Nobody would be that stupid to make that milk carton

>>108452986
>Did you get banned?
nope, not even a warning

>>108452769
>work shitty 1099 job last year
>conned into working there: told it would be full time, strung me along, hired incompetent people full time around me, no offer
>eventually try to quit. Boss gives pushback, gets me to keep laptop and be on call instead
>calls get more frequent.
>Get gigantic AI LinkedIn-Speak email from new hire passing his homework to me.
>quit
>Return equipment, boss not there, say goodbye and get out quick, it's awkward but it's over
>Former boss calls me up next morning flipping out at me over my attitude, calling me unprofessional. Ironically, his behavior and the entire scam of having me work there on 1099's when they said it would be full time is the most unprofessional experience I've had in my career.
1 year later
>Old boss now dropping by current place of work. He's former employee there
>Stressed out since. Now want to plan an exit, but my area sucks for tech work and I don't have the funds to move to another metro area

>>108456001
https://youtu.be/aYSSYm0b2wk

>>108455820
>What do Principals even do?
Just the word for the engineer who's in charge. If it's a huge company, senior doesn't cut it because you have lots of senior devs. Lead might not either since there's probably one for each department. Think principal is supposed to be the top dev at the company who

I'm at a small company, my title is principal even though I'm the only engineer. Bosses weren't going for "lead" and IMO lead more firmly implies there are people under you. I wanted a title higher than senior since "senior" too often means some 25 year old. Principal seemed like a good word to imply complete ownership over our projects and systems, someone who calls the shots on hardware and tech stack on top of building it all. Probably a little inflated, but if you've looked at LinkedIn in the last five years, basically everyone is calling themselves an executive or a chief, even when the company is three people.

>>108455097
>we're not young
my mistake
>to be fair, I don't give a shit about my manager
you should. He's your immediate boss. Don't shit where you eat, and stay on your boss's good side. Unless you plan on not staying there long.
>but sure, having access to this kinda info can be useful, and it also shows that he trusts me. what worries me more are possible legal/reputational consequences
there is that too. If you start talking to workers about who's getting fired and whatnot, it could be labeled as interruption of a businesses or sabotage (just think of the grimiest kike fucker lawyer, I'm just saying that's something they could possibly label what you're doing as). So just be quiet and let the guy get fired. You're not his dad, it's not your business, and you just said you're not even his friend. If he knocked up some chick I'm sure he has testicles enough to take care of himself.

But more realistically, it would just piss off your manager, even if you already hate him. If I was your boss and I told you I was going to fire some chump because he's dead weight and a waste of money, and then I found out you immediately ran to him and told him, then I'm going to think you're an underhanded weasel and it would piss me off. If you want to be a good person, I recommend you tell your boss that this guy has a kid, and that you think he deserves at least a heads up before he's laid off. Then you can leave that decision in your manager's hands and leave it at that, that's the best you can do.

>>108455731
those aren't needed, just go Mia and never show up at 9am ever again

fuck is Bob gon do

>>108455873
ya, it helped me do things in 1 day rather than 2 weeks. It's great

but also, now I am responsible for shit I do not 90% understand

>>108456127
>you should. He's your immediate boss. Don't shit where you eat, and stay on your boss's good side. Unless you plan on not staying there long.
my boss can suck my fucking dick for all I care. I have money to live without the retard, and I have enough experience and intelligence to do shit by myself. the only thing I lack is discipline to get shit done by myself, but that can easilyt be fixed with motivation

>>108455262
>Any advice on professional development?
elaborate. You want to be a paid software dev?
>Should I go for a masters degree or pursue certifications?
Both can you make you more competitive and standout and that will help, but, more people are thinking that too, and universities are offering more masters to people to take advantage of this (especially incoming Indians so they can stay in the US). They're ultimately not required but the bar is slowly rising to where more people are going to have them and you may have to get them too. Skills trump all though, companies always value rockstars. Also, depends on what sector you want to work in. CS Ed needs master's or PhD, certain DoD work needs master's, most IT work doesn't need anything, most regular software dev jobs require a bachelor's unless you're a super rockstar.

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>>108455713
AI tech is here to stay and you either learn to grift with it, program with it, or you leave the field.
If AI replaces programmers then all white-collar work gets replaced with them. So in that case you'll have to be a farmer again just like your ancestors.

>>108456142
if your boss is that much of a faggot, and you don't like your job, and it sounds like you've got enough money right now, you might want to consider finding a new job. It won't get any better, it only gets worse. Though, this is a shit time to find a new job, it's bad out there, even for seniors.

>>108456175
>you might want to consider finding a new job. It won't get any better
anon, you don't have to tell me this. I'm always looking for a new job lmao. things aren't that easy though. no one would pay me what I make here, with the benefits I have (including the arbitrary benefits we give ourselves..), the little workload, etc.
though I live in latin america, so if an american company hired me, things would be very different. but I don't fit the requirements... so, again, no such option. I have other options, though, each one more shady than the previous one.

>>108456195
What's the pay like for devs in South America?

>>108456200
I'm not a dev, so no clue, but I guess you can get paid from US$1.5k to US$5k/mo after taxes (so US$18k to US$60k) in my country. considering that this is one of those with the highest per capita income, assume it's much less elsewhere. ymmv, though.

>Besides using llm only for work you can try to talk to them
>normie brainlets do that fr
Loneliness solved and coworkers are obsolete

>be 25
>can only get internships
>it pays $1 an hour
>fulltime position pays like $2 an hour

fucking third world bro i swear to god

>>108456479
anon, people even have them make up whole stories and even write porno stories (see >>>/g/lmg)

>>108456500
Where the fuck do you live? Africa?

>>108456515
Ok I retract my idea. I'd rather work on being more social outside of work.

>be me
>22
>advanced placement in CS
>no car though
>can't get hired anywhere because no "reliable transportation"
is it already over for me?

>>108456667
You spent six figures on education and can't afford a $5k honda civic?

>>108456667
can't afford a car, too autistic for a driving test, or hivedweller that doesn't drive?

>>108456667
Get a part time job and save your paycheck for ~6 months and get a used civic or a corolla, if you can find any.

>>108456709
>Get a part time job
How, if I can't drive to it?

>>108456686
My mom said I can't use the family car until I pay off my student loans...

>>108456667
Yes. You can't do America without a car unless you live in a handful of cities.
Even then, it so drastically reduces your job options, it's not really worth it.
If you want to live without a car, you get the job in the walkable area, then move there and get rid of the car. Even then, keep an emergency fund because if you lose your job, not having a car will fuck you.
Source: lost my job living in philly. 80% of job openings for what I do were in some suburb inaccessible by public transit.

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>>108453975
I know the feeling anon, and honestly do the jump.
If you get laid off, how do you think an interview would go? My last job was exactly like this: late stage startup, 30min daily sessions, 15 minutes of actual work, keep an eye on slack and otherwise do whatever I wanted, from naps, to YouTube, to eating out, to vydia. I was the most productive guy on the team (Rails backend dev) but when my manager hinted for a senior promotion and something like >>108453494 happened, I knew I needed to jump boat.
A friend told me about a cybersec job which he thought I would be a great fit, and for the next 6 months I dived in on TryHackMe and scheduled an interview.
Still working on the new job, making 3x as much (plus many productivity bonus since I'm the only one automating my job away) and I know that if I got laid off I could bounce back quickly.

I don't have as much free time as before, but I still fuck around on my free time and no one bats an eye, as long as I keep delivering (besides it's remote, so peak comfy)

>got a 25% raise last month
>boss says "thanks bro" when I quickly finish up a task for him
>still feel like I'm going to get fired any day now because he recently got rid of a guy who was working remote and who "wasn't making progress"
Is this mental illness? Do you guys get like this?

>>108456931
What's your TC? If it's big enough you're in trouble. Over the past 5 years tech companies didn't reduce their total net staff but laid off quite a lot people. They're replacing salaries, not the jobs.

>>108457003
$80k, CS BSc, 1.5 YOE, all of which has been at this company

my teammates are dropping like flies. No layoffs, each one had a different reason for leaving. To top it off, everyone left on the team has the same name.

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me fr

>>108457067
>26 year old kid
God i blame disney and marvel for this mentality. I felt like an adult at 16 like the rest of my peers and wanted to move the fuck on.

>>108456500
If you live in africa you need to be a tomato farmer and sell that shit to italy. Whatever IT jobs are out there aren't worth it unless its selling video games on steam which would be a massive win in money.

>>108457073
>I wanted to be an adult back in the 90s before the country and economy was raped to death and adulthood had something to offer me!!!
blow your brains out, boomer

>>108452769
I quit my job 4 months ago with nothing lined up. I regret it now.

>>108457091
Bro back in 2012. Why the fuck would i want to be a broke child again?

>>108457018
NTA Underpaid but be sure to cover your ass with savings and update your resume. You might get fired.

>>108457018
lmao fucking POORFAG

>>108453975
This is atypical. You're lucky management hasn't started asking questions yet. They will when money starts getting tight.

>>108457101
What makes you think I might get fired?

>>108457161
Low pay and likely new hire with 1.5 years of experience. You are disposable trash to most companies.

>>108457186
Yeah idk why I came here looking for any kind of solace lol. If only you knew about my company...
I'm the last person on the chopping block so I'll just quell my worries with weed instead of here

>>108453976
Only worth it for 3 reasons. Your future retirement, the job itself or a job with a clearance. If retirement doesn't matter to you then don't bother you can make up with 401k maxing and extra investments, If the job doesn't interest you aka special forces or some cool military job then don't bother. It's easier to get a clearance within the military but you can still get one with a bachelors and Security+ at any random government contract.

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>>108457199
I made more than you in IT with my first job 86k so you really should consider flying away anon. Programmers make 2-3x pay than IT guys so you really are getting bent over and fucked.

>>108457186
I also get low pay with 1.5 yeas of experience and just got unprompted my contract updated from 2 years to unlimited, should I look for a new job?

>>108457217
Hit it big and go for a job that makes 2x current pay anon. You need to update your resume but beyond that Cloud/Linux/Hypervisor certs isn't a bad path to go into since CS experience translates pretty well into Server Admin.

>be me
>get my first shitty PC in 1992 with 386DX
>decades pass
>find opening in ESA
>maintain software for SOHO satellite written in i386 assembler
>earn truckload of money for knowing 40 years old architecture
Life is good.

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Just join the military bro

>>108457256
I already did and got out.

>>108457250
Shut the fuck up furry you never worked a day in your life.

>>108455510
Cant you learn stuff on the job? I rather learn something else not job related after work. Like cooking.

>>108454778
>Despite his firing he didn't change his attitude and lifestyle.
How did you know this? Do you live with the guy or sumn?

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I unironically want to kill myself.

>>108457398
Why?

>>108457398
I want to kill kyself to discover that it was a bad dream and I'm an animal and very happy with furry friends.

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Net+ 009 by April 6th. Am i going to make it? I studied multiple books, boson and random testing sites.

>>108456147
>elaborate. You want to be a paid software dev?
I already am but im finding my job doesnt teach me enough where I can actually say ive gained skills. I keep bouncing around from skill to skill getting just barely competent enough to do my job then I get ripped away to do something totally different. This makes me think I need to teach myself on my own time.
>They're ultimately not required but the bar is slowly rising to where more people are going to have them and you may have to get them too
This is my problem, a bachelor's doesnt stand out on a resume anymore. I figure if I get my masters in will look better than most other devs who just got their bachelor's but I worry the student loans wont be worth it.

>blow the only interview I've gotten in a while
>have to visit parents
>go ahead and tell them
>"even if that's true you got learning experience for the next one :)"
Haha yeah, thanks ma!

>retards at work discovered coding agents
>want me to setup and use them in our project
>i genuinely enjoy writing code
its over for me. this shit is giving me brainrot

>>108457458
Mate people here are talking about applying to 500+ jobs, getting 10 interviews to maybe have one offer

>>108456535
Indonesia

>>108457088
Sure. The guy who knows how to sell my tomatoes to Italy gets 80% the profit.

>>108457604
that's how that works for most businesses the guy who picks them and shovels shits gets jack shit. In italy they at least feed you and give you a bottle of wine as a gift every couple months.

>>108457203
>you can still get [a security clearance] with a bachelors and Security+ at any random government contract
I don't know about that in this job market dawg. Maybe if you're willing to move to North Dakota or something.

>>108457615
Wrong consider a helpdesk or adjacent job and you can get it anywhere that isn't ND or SD. You need to shop around.

>>108457601
Yeah? What's your point?

>>108457454
>a bachelor's doesnt stand out on a resume anymore. I figure if I get my masters in will look better than most other devs who just got their bachelor's
a bachelor's hasn't stood out for a while, it's just a hoop/checkmark today. A master's stands out now, but soon, it might become a checkmark as well, and then bachelor's will be as useful as a cert.
>but I worry the student loans wont be worth it.
I highly recommend you get one of the cheap ones, like Georgia Tech's (OMSCS). The real cost though doesn't come from just the degree. With most master's degrees, JUST the classes by themselves... in total it costs anywhere from $10k-$50k (usually it's 12 classes). It's the cost of living that's really expensive, because it takes time to get that degree and during you have to pay rent and food. On average it's 2 years to get a master's, so you'll have 2 years of living expenses too.

I love "working" from "home"

>>108456500
this is the same troll as the one complaining about e-bikes isn't it

>>108457644
Toughen up soldier it’s hell out there

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>>108457644

>>108457766
Cool, thanks Fox newscaster, I get it. My point was that my parents don't.

>>108457770
His goal is more achievable than mine.

Other than technical test and interviews Do you have psychological test too in first world? Like those set of images and you have to guess which image is similar or the next sequence and such?

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>>108457908
???? the main interview is the psych test in 1st world. Normally that's easy Technical stuff and general what if's.

>>108457398
I hear the exit bag method got "fixed" as it become more widely known, so tough luck

>>108457401
do you really have to ask for one of these retarded catfags? he's probably 70IQ and fresh out of college with a meme degree and will forever have to flip burgers

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IT bros is it over????

>>108457452
>Am i going to make it?
If by "make it", you mean pass Network+, then yes, you're far more prepared for it than most people who pass it.
If by "make it", you mean use Network+ to get a job, then uhh... no.

>>108457908
That’s what HR (the first interview) is supposed to screen so better not give them the ‘ick you incel

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>>108458302
Make it for passing the test. No clue how profitable it will be, but it will round out my CompTIA trifecta.

>>108458349
does anyone ITT looks like this?

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>>108458371
With wings?

How hard is YOUR company shilling ai tools usage right now?

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>>108458389
I work networking IT so we cant even use Copilot for anything. They still want us to get results for Gemmi and Copilot but it leads to no-man's land worth of content for them.

>>108457908
They do psychological testing in some DoD positions. They're not that bad though.

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jr swe might be on the chopping block gotta start looking for another job fml

>>108458477
>DOD
Never did DOD for contracting i heard it was pretty chill compared to other federal jobs.

How to get a raise in a small company that doesn’t really have structure or do reviews? Do I just go to the ceo, show him how I’ve saved the company time and money, ask if there’s any way I can contribute more, and hope for the best?

>>108458565
have balls tell them you either quit or they give you 50% raise in 4 months. If it doesn't happen you bounce out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExsV_HcoSqQ

>>108452769
https://www.darkreading.com/cyberattacks-data-breaches/phishers-pose-palo-alto-networks-recruiters-job-scam
>Phishers Pose as Palo Alto Networks' Recruiters for Months in Job Scam
>The end result of a successful attack is that victims are asked to pay a fee in the range of $400 to $800 to freeing their résumé from a bureaucratic hold-up and continue with what they think is a legitimate recruitment process.
Are people really so desperate for a job that end up being scammed by Indians like this? Sad...

should I make a tech worker in training general? Or does this count as stuff inclusive to tech workers general?

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>>108458627
Mods are niggers sorry anon it wont work out.

>>108458631

I'm more pissed at amerifats c: than black people

>>108458637
What's the difference ????

>>108458545
if you go work for some agencies, they just have you take a test basically asking you if you're a crazy murderer, then you talk to a psych and he asks you if you're an insane murderer or pedophile. That's it.

>>108458637
what does your c drive have to do with anything

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>>108458671
Seems more in depth then the shit i got into. Wild to think the more important the work is the less they ask.

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>Free will???

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Message from coworker giving an update on his project:

>I tried to get the tooltip icons to show up but cursor had a problem and it wasn't working so I just stopped.
>cursor [...] wasn't working
>so I just stopped

This guy is paid like $200k/year

My company will now track usage of AI tokens and will demand that programmers use AI. I thought it was a joke but it's actually happening to me.

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>>108459196
I would write an AI bot that has conversations with itself. Just ask random code questions a few times a day

"Explain this function in [file]"
"What is the architecture of this project?"

etc

>>108457093
>I regret it now
Any reason why?
I'm about to do the same thing

>>108459248
Take ONE guess

>>108458627
the last utwg wasn't deleted, it died because no one was posting on the weekend

>>108459196
I feel like I post this every thread. BMAD METHOD BMAD METHOD. Claude wastes infinite tokens writing markdown file epics, stories, tasks, etc and pretending to be different people arguing with each other.

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I am so fucking sick of nights.

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>sending resume out just fishing
>get an interview
>meme company dream job
fuck fuck fuck
My social anxiety is going to mess this up
I was ready to slack off and hole in at my current boomer day care for the next 20 years
It feels like when a girl actually agrees to go out after a dry spell and then you spill your spaghetti

Former utwgcel college senior here. Just landed a nifty job. We are so back.

>>108457452
yes Net+ is hardest cert to get it guarantee a job unless you are furry retard who doesnt have A+ Sec+

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>Be at a growing small/middle sized company that's doing very well and there's 0 threat of layoffs
>manager doesn't give a fuck, barely pays attention, doesn't do 1 on 1's or anything
>for some reason the other senior engineers and the PM are autistic about making sure they work 50 hours a week and post that they will "make up time" if they have a doctor's appt or something
>I test this out by only staying online 7.5 hours a day, taking the occasional afternoon off for the gym, just took a sick day that I didn't mark down for PTO
>manager still doesn't give a fuck

Tf is going on here? Why are they acting like the axe is going to be dropped if they don't put in Indian hours? Is it all media induced fear?

>>108459575
I have both and have been studying since December of last year.

>>108459577
>making sure they work 50 hours a week and post that they will "make up time" if they have a doctor's appt or something
What the fuck this is retarded. No one has ever cared about you getting exactly 40 hours in at software development jobs. So long as you seem to be doing approximately 40 hours and more importantly actually get work done it doesn't fucking matter. I never bother to use PTO unless I'm gonna be out the entire day. If you're any good you can probably still outperform a lot of people with putting in less than 20 actual hours lmao.

>>108459677

That's what I mean I can't see where these fags are feeling the pressure. The standard is still 40 hours salary here, and 35 isn't going to hurt either, they're all needlessly competitive. I'm going to coast and collect my bucks cause idgaf.

>>108459681
I've never been laid off, been in industry for 16 years now. I am actually good so that probably helps. When layoffs come it's always the people you expect.

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>>108459687

I got laid off in the middle of putting in longer weeks and doing everything my manager asked of me to "step up" and "graduate from senior 1 to senior 2." At some point I realized the performance reviews were just attempts to get me to resign as he himself realized I was doing everything asked to the letter and it would just be a short dismayed call "ok then great work" and moving on. I was actually in the middle of a big deployment when they gave me the call. It was just cheaper Indians. Not going to bother with that dog and pony show ever again, I compensate myself for the layoff risk by putting in short hours and not giving a fuck.

>company is forcing us to use copilot
>it's significantly more useless than the outdated chatgpt model they abandoned
Anyone else? How the fuck is it so bad when it's already built on top of OpenAI?

>>108459756
I'm a researcher and they make us use copilot and we want to use codex we have to pay for it ourselves.

>>108459756

Lately the most annoying thing is how self confident it is. It's no longer making suggestions it asserts that it is 100% correct when it's still wrong 30% of the time.

It'll be like "this code won't compile"
>it does compile

>>108459775
Ask how it would feel if (hypothetically) it didn't compile

>>108459775
I remember I asked it recently for a formula for excel (again don't ask me why I'm doing fucking excel shit when I'm a dev) and it's like "Oh, I see you're looking for a formula for this. Well you can use a formula in excel that would do [exactly what I asked it for]." Why is this shit so fucking trash? I asked ChatGPT on my phone and it just spat out exactly what I needed....

>>108459323
You're TOO relaxed now?

Today was an easy day because the other team completely revamped our repos and CI but I think tomorrow I have to push again.

>>108457097
based childhood nostalgia transcender. Fuck those weak manchildren

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>>108452769
At [big tech company] I coded a risk based testing application that pulled from Jira/GitHub/Firebase Crashlytics/DataDog with a FastAPI backend.

If I create a from-scratch risk based testing application that pulls from Azure Dev Ops with a Go backend, will I get fucked over for IP theft? I just want to put this on my GitHub for a personal project.

>>108459812

How would anyone ever get you for IP theft for that? For starters they have to understand your code

>>108459804
I'll never understand nostalgia faggots. These people want restrictions and zero responsibilities in lieu of having no money to fix any issues in their life. Id rather be a broke nigga who has goals for another 150 years than someone with zero control for another 40 years.

I'm trying really hard to be a wholesome chungus faggot but every other day I have a professional encounter with a woman and 90% of the time they're negative and I'm reminded of why I fucking hate women so much holy shit

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>>108459997
Women's only place is in the kitchen, barefoot and pregnant. This is not a joke, even feminist's are turning around to the truth.

Get me the fuck out of this documentation hell. All because some leadership glazer wanted easy brownie points for saying "Documentation good, more documentation"

>>108459997
meh there's idiots on all sexes. just got a vendor support reply back to me passive aggressively and I'm about to ready to just reply "yeah yeah just do the needful"

>>108460080
>everyone is stupid, so just ignore that women are10x dumber than men
kill yourself boomer

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>>108460080
>T. You

>>108459997
My tech lead is a woman and she's actually good at her job but I suspect she has female autism. I'm on good terms with her because she has a Heisenberg tier ego and I praise her sometimes.

>>108460090
>>108460093
meh putting shit into boxes is just as retarded as people who make the boxes.

>have finally a meeting free day
>boss just fucking pulls me in for another 30 minute meeting in the next half hour that's probably going to run for an hour where I'm just going to be there looking pretty having no impact.
this happens constantly, is there an easy way to tell him "yo you gotta give me more notice or yo if I'm not needed, can I just not fucking join?"

>>108455087
its so demoralizing. In 2021 i put in 30 applications got a two stage interview and offer.

Now with more experience i put in hundreds of applications and dont even get a single interview while having more experience

>>108457398
same but im mentally ill and been in psych wards multiple times

I genuinely no longer study or practice anymore. I just apply to like 50-70 jobs each month. Wait for take home tests. Wait for interviews. Thats it. My whole day is taken over by chores and errands. I cant even do my hobbies anymore since December 2025.

>>108452850
create a throwaway mail account and send him am email telling him what you know
the one about him preparing to move cities over a job he's about to lose seems pretty pressing
he should at least be having a serious conversation with his manager or direct report before making such a move
don't tell him "I know you're about to be fired because you suck. be ready". just "I've been told you MAY be one of the people they are preparing to let go soon etc."

To all jobless demoralized hopeless people:
Before you look at post like
>you're underpaid bro
>i make 120k on my first job why are you only making like 75???
>certs certs certs
>projects projects projects
>study study study

Make sure you ask yourself first "how can i even get the offering letter? How do i sell myself?"

I live in third world and everyone under 5 YOE only makes like $1-$2 an hour and even if you have 5 YOE you only make as much $3-$10 an hour. Maybe this is why we're so religious and disregard worldy matters. Because either way we cocksuck our corrupt officials or much richer foreigners/investors while we grovel on dirt.

I dont know about making friends and having relationships / connections and all that. What im saying is if there's no actual pain source like your parents constantly shitting on you no matter what you do, you'll be just fine. I know we're all scared of starving and being homeless or turning 30/40 and still making a minimum wage, but that's a problem for somewhere down the line. Before you're worrying about that, you need to worry about how are tou gonna get an offer letter first.

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>20+ years old codebase full of php and jquery spaguetti with the worst code I've seen in my life
>boss and manager say we just have to document everything and AI will magically solve everything
And I thought this was bad three years ago.

To all jobless demoralized hopeless people:
why don't you idk
grift the fucking rich then fuck those assholes good.

why are you letting companies and corporations control YOUR wellbeing. GRIFT THEM
FIGHT

We get it youre indian

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To all jobless demoralized hopeless people:

I wish you all a very happy stop posting on 4chan this website is for white men in the anglosphere not you. Please go.

Legitimately what is the jeet affinity for AI.
No one I work with gives a fuck about AI except the one jeet that’s constantly mind-blown/running around showing everyone how great it is

Who's tech job here required onfido I'd verification? Am I just being paranoid because of shit like discord and tea time? Other places say it's trustable

>become automation engineer
>spend more time configuring switches and vsphere deployments than programming plcs
turns out you can't milk money on stuff that got installed in the 90s and still works, it's much better to provide tech support for windows based scada jeetware

>>108460920
Artificial Intelligence represents the ultimate holy Juggernaut under which the Punjabi wishes to be crushed, such that he may be reborn as a higher caste lifeform such as an ant

Gentlemen. I am pleased to report that I have yet again tanned my balls. Bless be WFH.

>>108460885
As an indian man I disagree completely.
Actually the entire universe was created for white men in the anglosphere, not indians or anyone else.
So telling them to go is wrong, they have nowhere to go.
You should enlist into the military and carry out your manifest destiny etc, like a real white supremacist.

>>108460734
>create a throwaway mail account and send him am email telling him what you know
anon.. assuming I'm the only one who knows and this guy says something, this would make it obvious to my boss that I told the guy.

>he should at least be having a serious conversation with his manager or direct report before making such a move
I guess this is a good thing to tell him.

> "I've been told you MAY be one of the people they are preparing to let go soon etc."
maybe I could lie to him and tell him that I know they are preparing to fire people or some shit

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>>108459997
>start balding (nw2)
>go see a derma, someone I know recommended her to me
>its a 40 minute drive, they make me wait in the lobby for 30 minutes. the ENTIRE office is women. All of them.
>tell her I want fin + min
>"OHHH NOOOO FIN COULD HAVE SIDE EFFECTS AND MESS U UP PERMANENTLY!!! lets just do min for now ok?"
>oh and btw I need all of these blood tests (they come out of your pocket), we'll schedule a follow up appointment in 3 months!
>3 months passes, of course min alone doesn't do shit. go back and tell her I want fin
>"ermmm okay sure!!! (but I need more bloodwork and another follow up!!!)"
>don't show up to the follow up
>she refuses to renew my prescriptions
>tells me im going to have to show up every 3 months to get them renewed.
>fuck this

>go on amazon
>their chatgpt wrapper asks for pictures of my hair
>prescribes me the same shit in 30 minutes
>costs me $0 because I have prime
you do not hate women enough

>proper edition for once
>facebook frog image

>>108461065
Why do you care? This shouldn't even be a conversation. There's nothing you can do that wouldn't fuck you over more than the other guy is being fucked over.

I have been never let go because
A) I live in a first world country
B) I'm too competent

Simple as

buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuurp
faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrt

>>108461178
>their chatgpt wrapper asks for pictures of my hair
proof-of-norwood should be another option for multi factor authentication
imagine recognising people by their pattern of baldness

>>108461178
>please give me drugs that make me impotent
>no that's a dumb idea, how about drugs that don't for now
>REEEEE

>>108460920
Almost all jeets are high on dunning kruger and LLMs are perfect for those

>>108461643
This, they see it as the final solution for maximizing grifting and bullshitting.
With an LLM at your disposal you can fool anyone into thinking you're competent if they aren't paying attention.

>the boss doesn't want to promote you, he wants everyone else to perform like you
that's very cool mister manager, now watch me ascend to my final form as I quiet quit and everything breaks into pieces because I'm the one holding it together

>new intern
>ok
>2 weeks in and has made software for 2 of our clients in his spare time
>uhhh
>1 month later and is now promoted to fucking senior (I'm still L2)
>start trying to find out how he is pulling this off
>ask him directly
>he tells me he is using gemini cli
>jackpot
>tell management
>they don't get what I'm complaining about
fuuuuuuuuuck