>debian will do age verification>ubuntu will do age verification>fedora will do age verification (and even outsource to fucking apple)>arch linux will do age verificationThat's roughly 90% of linux users and 100% of linux active support, doesn't it?That's how linux will die? Death by basedjaks?
>>108453786>no gentoo>no LFSIt's fine
never trust open source ever
>>108453786Guix, Void, Gentoo, Artix - will save the Linux
>>108453786Reminder: GNU will never betray you
>>108453786>>debian will do age verificationThey're kind of split on it atm, i'm still coping they'll push back on the jeeta being elected.
>>108453786At least you know your enemies.
>>108453786When linuxtards started acting like political activists, that was your cue. You didn't do shit
>>108453786>Death by basedjaks?are you surprised?
>>108453786>>arch linux will do age verificationthey haven't committed to doing anything yet
>>108453797Guix is already deprecating Linux from April onwards. Hurd will have competent support for Intel graphics, 64bit SMP, Wayland and Plasma 6, alongside 95% of packages ready as substitues soon after.
>>108453968>HurdIt's a dead-end.
>>108453786Check out Ageless Linux. Void linux is also not complying. Nor is Artix
>>108453786Isn't the systemd boot basically optional? Like a tool to make sure that a site or program, if it's using it can just pull the info?And what's stopping me from saying I'm older than a WW1 vet?
>>108454101> And what's stopping me from saying I'm older than a WW1 vet?Have you seen how it is implemented in UK and EU recently? They need to verify it using their phone camera.And that's basically identity verification already because they all have your photos you made when making all kinds of id cards, tax cards, etc, and AI can match it internally using those databases.
>>108453786what do you think "do age verification" means when they say they are updating systemd? just curious if any of you actually read what is happening
>>108454662Sage is a plant which has two words in germanYeah I think
>>108454689except its not pronounced like the plant newfag
>>108454710I have to say I am sorry
>>108454662Do you only think 1 step ahead when playing chess?
>>108453786>>fedora will do age verification (and even outsource to fucking apple)>source: my ass
arch devs haven't said anything yet
>>108453786use gentoo, deuvan, artix, void, openbsd. i dont see why you wouldn't already.>ubuntunobody fucking uses that
>>108454739>Do you only think 1 step ahead when playing chess?lmao ok mr. 47d chess grandmaster>muh slippery slope to national ID check in systemd for americansplease go fuck off you
>>108454793>https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/a-practical-architectural-solution-to-os-level-age-verification-laws/183387/26>https://github.com/BryanLunduke/DoesItAgeVerify#operating-systems-planning-to-implement-age-verification
US legal compliance will enforced through SystemD.If your domestic computers have SystemD you will be forced to comply US regulations.
>>108454826>On linux, the API could be implemented as a unix socket or as a dbus call and be scoped to local host only.How is that "outsourcing", retard.
>>108454779>>>108453965>> The law is the law>> I need to coooooomply the laaaawTis is what is the most humorous part.>> The law is the lawIn 1 country only!>> The law is the lawNot even in 15% of that 1 country!Is this the cuckoldry Olympics?
>>108454662>what is happeningslippery slope is happening, yes
>>108454826>UBUNTUI am not surprised.>FEDORANo surprise>Eleme --- bootleg OSXNo surprise
>>108454880kys dramafag
>>108454904>REEEE dont question the direction we're heading, this is a 1-off!! (said the 1000th time)
How is you cucks get uppity over this but not the fact that Android is trying to play the same side load humiliation ritual as Apple or the fact that every single website forces you to find like 5+ leading zero hashes or how many new games force you to attest you're a hardware verified, secure booted windows install with some botnet driver? This is literally a nothingburger in the grand scheme of computer happenings.
>>108453786Fork and remove the verification. Just use distros that already do it.
How the hell is age verification even supposed to work? Just pick a number and pretend its your birthday? If it is some kind of verification that requires IDs or something how is this supposed to work when you have no internet connection? What about airgapped networks? What about embedded systems?
>>108454963I don't care about phone fags and their humiliation rituals.
>>108454995its almost like these laws have been conjured up by clueless boomers
>>108454924clearly a dramafag
>>108454995See >>108454644> how is this supposed to work when you have no internet connection?It will be postponed I think. Like Windows activation and similar stuff.> What about airgapped networks? What about embedded systems?If they don't use internet it doesn't matter. It will matter to users of big websites that will start demanding verification token that is standardized and supposed to be provided by all OS and all browsers.
>>108455003but you use your phone daily, stop pretending you dont care
>>108455201I use my phone for normalfag stuff. I never expected to have privacy there. It's also google.
>>108455155So I can just not use those websites and ignore age verification? Works for me desu.
>>108453786There is no age verification. It's an optional field that does nothing to verify the information you put into it, if you want to put anything. Everyone will forget about this nothingburger in a month.
>>108454963not my problem — sent from my GrapheneOS Pixel 10 Pro
>>108453968If you can't game on it, what's the point?
>>108453786>>108453796Open Source foundations like Linux and LibreOffice pledged their allegiance to the UN
>>108453786Look in the internet for agelesslinux org, it has information how to remove if you want.If you think a law is intrusive you should use your rights to stop it or at least try to change it to something less intrusive.However not giving the users the tools to comply to laws would also be kind of intrusive.People should be able to choose if they want to comply or not!
>>108457634>LibreOffice pledged their allegiance to the UNlink?
>>108453968>source: my ass
None of them are doing age verification. Not a one.
>>108455049It's almost like it was never about age you retard
>>108453965>"THE LAW IS THE LAW"Wtf I thought the point of open source projects is that they are decentralized and can overcome fascism or something. >>108454101Why are you mad they took a small step towards something bad? It's not bad in itself so you shouldn't complyAre you fucking unironically retarded or is this shilling?This will enable distros to do something which is bad, why would I like it? In itself, systemd needs no age record for users.>>108455574That was the systemd push, but it obviously is not the end of it, you absolute moron, this is just a step to enable distros to do it. I can totally see ubuntu asking you to actually verify your id with a photo. The systemd age record will be optional but if you don't fill it apps that depend on it, probably browsers, won't work.
>>108458266For now...
>>108453814>guixi love using packages from 2017
is it likely arch will actually do this? i know, i know... systemd.but still, i'm hoping the community puts up a fight.
>>108459767freedom ain't free
>>108454809Devuan*, couldn't ctrl+f for itIf things are going this direction, I'll probably switch to that since I'm already using a flavor of ubuntu. Artix is a maybe, but I'm not too familiar with arch setups.
>>108454904>>108455136Nobody wants your shit, you don't have to be a bitch about it.
>>108460845Then the userdb change would be unnecessary, so clearly someone wants it. Keep screeching like an ineffectual cuck though.
Nyarch has age verification, but it's a nothing burger verification that says, yes I am of age, and nothing else but the whole environment kek.
>>108458266Debian's new Pajeet project leader wants to
>>108453786>That's roughly 90% of linux usersFor now. Soon to be 50% or below with this crap.
>>108453786Now time to tell my Republican congressman that they can use an llm at the os install level to educate the youth in the dangers of antifa and transgenderism.Also, mandatory 10 commandments default wallpaper.
>>108463571devuan is pretty good.
>>108453786When they push me to enter my birth date it will say current date -21y
>>108453786Windows 11 Enterprise IoT LTSC 2024 will never do age verification.linux bros, come home to windows, your time of youth rebellion is over.
>>108465017You have brain worms anon. Get it checkout.
>>108460763Its over anon. Just give up. I'm a long time Fedora lover. I'm moving to Atrix or Guix. Most probably Atrix. Servers, I'm installing Devuan.
>>108459701And then there will be browsers built on the source code of the ones that require age verification with that shit removed
>>108465017IoT doesnt support msteams tho
>>108465017No, it is undesired. Thus is the market.>the type of person who unironically saves/generates and posts images like this while giggling to themselvesYou could point out their postering, but they'll just start neuralogically ticking and pull some batshit "counter" out of their ass which addresses nothing.
>>108464492Doesn't have systemd. And I like systemd
>>108466532kill yourself poettering
>>108466538How does systemd get in the way of my ability to jack off and play video games? Which init system would facilitate these better?
>>108466620>ugh, I put food and water in your cage, why don't you love me?
>>108466689You may call it a cage if you like, but what you haven't done is say that other init systems are superior at providing that food and water.
>verify you age*you are here*>upload your ID>upload your finger prints>get the brain chip>get in the podfuck you fuck you stop turning the world into North korea 2 fuck you
>>108466849 (me)your age*fucking damn it
feels good to be on gentoo right now
>>108467038lol ANAL
>>108453797I find it almost tragically comical that you "Install gentoo" memeers won.
>systemd adds optional dob field to user accounts(literally just a field in a json couplet)>idiots that don’t understand anything start spreading meaningless panic
>>108467069>hurr durr look at me everyone i am unable to recognize patterns or make any predictions about directionWhy do idiots like this insist on participating in the conversation? At least do us a favor and shut up until you learn a bit more about the subject.
>>108467086>doesn’t know what json is or what a userdb is
>>108467069What do you think the purpose is, if not to streamline age controls for distro developers?
>>108467131It’s an optional field>an application might query it for compliance!just don’t fill it out idiotThis is low level shit that you do not understand, if gnome makes you upload an id complain to gnome, but bitching like systemd has done anything other than add an optional field to a db is dishonest
>>108467131to make parental control at setup mandatory
>>108467121Lurk more
>>108459767>touch packageThere, it's from 2026 now.
>>108467153>just don’t fill it out idiotThe operating system might demand it. And systemd has now streamlined the process for app and OS developers to collect additional information on you.
>>108467218>coping for not knowing what json, userdb and optional means
>>108467317you know there’s multiple unixs and Linux distros that have had a dob field this entire time
"Muh slippery slope!!!" fags will be BTFO when literally nothing happens.
>>108467375>you got sentenced to a death of 1000 cuts>"I ONLY GOT CUT TWICE, WHAT ARE YOU AFRAID OF? LEL, NOTHING HAPPENS!"
>>108467360Nta but so what is the usecase for this shit? It was already covered at userspace level so what is the need of these infos at init level? Let's hear.
>>108453968>GaylandSo they’re already at the enshittification part?
>>108453786Will UltramarineOS do Age Verification? (Fedora's more preppy cousin.)
>>108453965>woke goosestepping
I just switched to Devuan. Honestly, I should've done it years ago and I'm loving the distro. You know, it's strange, because if it weren't for the fact that EVERY polity is pushing this at the same time and it's getting banned/censored practically _everywhere_ then I wouldn't've cared.Anyways, does anyone know if there's any news on the nonprofits front? I know of:EFFACLUReclaim the Nethaving campaigns against it, but I don't know of any others. Surprisingly, the FSF has been quiet about it all. I've been e-mailing various nonprofits to just try to kick them into gear as well.Also, does anyone know of any petitions for any states going on?
>>108466742>plot lostNo means no.
>>108454847he's talking about the law of moses you retard
>>108467131>mfw systemd and every government on earth has my email because the email address field exists in systemd userdb
>>108468853What'd you switch from? I'm on mint now but I'm debating that one.
>>108457634>UNyes goy, peace is bad, war is good
tinfoil happeningfags literally ruined this site worse than redditors
>>108468059It’s not init level dumbass, systemd is a bloated mess and handles user account creation among other things unrelated to init on Linux - this is a separate argument tho
>>108469043>not using GNAA@UN.ORG for any email address.
>>108467360Why is it good for systemd to streamline and standardise this?
>>108453786What does this age verification even do and how can software query the age?Is there a JS API that can query "is the current user an adult"? Or is there a header that gets sent when the user is a minor? If all you need to do is tell your OS "Yes, I am over 18", then I don't see much of an issue. But if your age has to be attested by something and some identifiable digest gets sent... then shit's fucked.So, which is it?
>>108469392The obvious one to switch to Devuan from: Debian.Also, just to ask it again...no petitions? No knowledge of any nonprofits taken a stance beyond the EFF?
>>108454801Arch devs said they're waiting to figure out what they need to do from legal counsel. https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/project-management/-/work_items/61
>>108468961What plot? I want to play video games and jack off. Which init system is the best for these?
>>108453968fell for an april fools post award
>>108454995its literally showing photo ID to use the internet
>>108453786Also I am willing to bet GrapheneOS will backpedal to their statement. They are so pro compatibility with normie spyware apps which will require this from the OS, that they are most certainly are going to put in some toggle or play services compatibility which complies with it.
I live in Europe. I don't give a fuck about american laws and I see no reason why they should affect me in any way. We need an European OS. ASAP
>>108470070OpenSUSE.
>>108467068I got chromeOS
>>108469825Supposedly to aid the safety of children but this is an election year so it's probably a ploy to subvert free speech before the midterms. Once they do actual ID enforcement on social media websites it will be how they interfere with election/political discourse without a mediator (zuckercuck/elon/future epstiens.)>inb4 schizo conspiracy accusations
computers == cuck machine
>>108470070Guix was created by Europeans
>When your mate says something so surveillancephobic that you gotta hit them with that palantir stare.
>>108470070You'll have them too in less than a year, don't worry.
>>108470070>We need an European OS. ASAPyou were/are making one. based on Fedora. you know, the American distro.
>>108469778Still, what's the purpose in setting up a solution to a problem that was already solved to begin with? You're almost there.
>>108470070Suse was before the novell acquisition, there were minor others that died out (from the top of my head sabayon and qilinux but there were more).
>>108470070If you travel to America you have to care about their laws just as Americans coming to Europe have to care about ours.
>>108469791basedqt pic too
>>108453786>The age verification in question>"Please enter your date of birth"It truly is over.
>>108453797No they won't. Because the final phase of all of this is requiring all websites and services to require ID verification from the requester before allowing access.So, when you try to login your favorite blacked website that host is going to send you a request for your verification token and if you don't have it, you'll get 404'ed. At that point it isn't going to matter what distro or init or DE or compositor you use.
>>108470120You mean the distro of an OS whose kernel was built by a finnish guy named Linus? Yeah, I see.
Do the EUtards realize that they're posting on an American website because every one of their free speech websites gets shut down?Also, is there still no petition against any of this? Any concern of the infrastructure being built here?
>>108472129People from Europe probably post here mostly because American websites had the advantage of being more popular internationally.Europe has many different languages and as a consequence smaller communities.At least i never knew some big site like this in Europe.Also Europeans unable to understand english kind of filter themselves out from this website, so you might never have heard them unless you understand some European language.
>>108453814Stallman will never betray you. Once he dies GNU will bend the knee.
>>108453841She's been trying for some 5 years or so by now. She can try again next year. And the next one. And the other after...They only need win once, you need to push back every time they try and they will try again.
>>108453965>they're censoring everyone who asks about it>but they totally won't do it, they just don't want to answer any questions nowPerfectly reasonable.
>>108455253That buys you maybe 3 year or so. Then they'd say the real problem are those random neocities sites with anime pics and they need to do age verification on the ISP to "protect the children".What will be your next concession then? IP over avian carrier?
>>108453796Growing up is realizing proprietary software is fine so long as it's vetted
Reminder none of the current age verification laws require actual ID checks. It'll be just a question in the installer. "How old are you?" That's it. And an API in the OS that browsers can read when a website requests your age. That's why systemd added an age field to the user account info. This is coming to proprietary OS' too. They're not somehow immune to the law.
>>108472563>Reminder none of the current age verification laws require actual ID checksYet.
>>108472321I know of plenty of French, German, and U.K. websites that got taken down. The only country I know of that has some decent pro free speech sites other than the U.S. is Switzerland: outside of the EU.
>>108472563One thing I've learned from following these debates is to never assume the other side hasn't considered the obvious. The fact that they're pushing these bills so hard tells you the requirements are much more invasive than that, and to also think about the infrastructure around all of this. Critical thinking needs to be applied here.
Someone should submit a patch to systemd that asks for your ID. Don't make it mandatory (yet) just include it. It's optional so you can't complain :^)
>>108472580When they do I'll be the first to bitch about it. But right now you're just spreading FUD.
>>108472589I doubt that this websites are comparable to in size and reach to 4chan.I grew up in Europe and speak some other languages, but i never knew anything similar to this website from Europe.And i have been browsing the internet for over 20 years now.
>>108472642Taylor is already on it, but it takes a while because he gotta take into consideration all the different ID formats around the world.
>>108472662Haha that's great, they should automatically submit them to google and facebook, y'know for safety and verification.
>>108453786I have never paid anything for windows. ai am old enough that I used 95 but proceeded to NT 4.0 when Maya 1.0 was released. I also bought fÃregl or wtf because Maya would only support opengl overlay buffer and 3dfx didn't have it.So fuck you with your Twitter bullshit fear mongering.I use whatever I want to use.
>>108472669I'm sure he won't forget about them and amazon as well, AWS is very important infrastructure too.
>>108453965isn't that just archinstall as well
>>108473212>isn't that just [the way 99% of people install Arch nowadays]yes
>>108472647>But anon! You already knew it was gonna happen, why do you think we added the DoB field and (eventually) forced you to populate it? If you wanted to bitch about it, you should've done it first.
>>108453786If you're against age verification, then you're a anti-LGBTQA+ and we will ban you extremist
>>108473852Trannyware
>>108473623This. Every fucking time
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsS6mPXR1jsGod I fucking hate living here
>>108472563Yeah not yet, but this is their first step. It doesn't take a genius to realize what's going on. If we don't nip this in the bud now, it'll be way harder to push back later.
guys what's a decent replacement for cachyOS? between artix/void/devuan? my distrohopping days are hopefully over, but i'm ditching systemDoomedI know everything is possible with gentoo, but i don't wanna rot compiling and tuning shit; i just want a decent non-systemd replacement cheers
>>108473969Check if they have CoC. If they do, then they are compromised. CoC was the early sign that people warned you about
>>108473969Since you use cachy, artix would be the easiest to switch to. If you want the path of least resistance, that's what you should go with.
>>108473986>>108473990i'll give artix a try; thx
>>108453786turns out, the jews were in control of your open sores all along
>>108472563Wrong. We had the "How old are you?" thing for few decades. The gov arent satisfied. They want full privacy violation for the sake of censorship of tranny ideology, war politics, mass migration politics, and ofc porn. The verification is meant to deter adults
>>108470349probably, but many of these things do get pushback here. And sometimes our Talmudian goverment does listen>>108473887>>108473852That's usually mostly the discord.Just so you are aware Microsoft has a faggot/trans department.
>>108473990>>108474010Installed Artix the other day and it was pretty easy, baring a small set of packages that were having conflicts and I had to use my brain a little bit to switch to the other package set.Otherwise it was as easy as following their wiki. I like Dinit. Its pretty cool.
>>108474186Its their official stance. Its a trannyware full throated. The entire team is castrated cultist
>>108474185It doesn't matter. No linux installer can do meaningful age checks. I'm normally sympathetic to schizo shit but all this panicking is retarded and crying wolf that will it easier to discount complaints when the real nasty stuff starts.If anything happens, it'll be hardware attestation that prevents you from running linux at all, or even getting root on your PC. Which is already happening on phones btw. And the same people screaming bloody murder about an age field barely mention it.
>>108474219They are putting in age verification system now and banning anyone that disagrees with as "right wing extremist".Trannyware is trannyware. The entire loonix team is trannysaur cultist
>>108453786>Government makes you pay taxes>Hate everyone paying taxes instead of the governmentRetard
>>108470010OpenRC
>>108474283the fuckin classic
>>108472648Please make an attempt to listen to what I'm saying. There's a REASON for that. Any time you have a site that gets remotely popular, it gets banned or ratted out as a honeypot by your governments, and then dies.>>108473623>>108473964I swear Zuckerberg is reading this thread saying, "Maybe they just don't understand that's it's just a DoB field? Try saying they're overreacting again." over and over and over and over again posting the same thing over and fucking over again. YOU'RE the one not getting it! You have to be a mouth breathing Windows user to not get it!
>>108453786NixOS won't
>>108475308Nix is 100% committed to systemd, they want to integrate with it even more.
>>108475315Sure but they said they won't implement any age verification
>>108475327>we won't implement age verification>but we will use this tumor that will, and no you can't remove itSame difference, unless they fork it.
>>108472476Fuck you. Kill yourself now, shill
>>108453786This is inorganic FUD. Remember: In any scenario where Linux distros start aggressively enforcing it, Microsoft and Apple will have already complied long before. This is not a valid reason to ditch Linux. Do not be a retard who follows /g/ memes blindly.
>>108475442>systemd is making moves to implement age verification>but it's fine because MS (Poettering's employer) will implement it firstHow about we don't implement it at all?
>>108475461You are misunderstanding my point. I agree with you but that is a separate (but relevant) conversation. I do not want this to spiral into further fracturing of the ecosystem. Ditching Linux, forking or switching distros is an overreaction at this point of time.
>>108475489>fracturing the ecosystemThe system is fractured by design. It was always about being modular, it was Red Hat that tried to shove it all into one thing.Ditching linux is stupid. There's no better options. Switching distro now might be a bit extreme but the writing's on the wall for all systemd distros, it's just a matter of time.
>>108475549Modularity is helpful upto a certain point. We have limited resources, if there are too many alternatives then none will be developed enough to be actually useful. Centralizing forces are important too. Forks over the addition of a field do not provide any utility. They exist only to gain attention. This is not the time to create them.
>>108475590Those forks were created because of that field, if you really want everyone to be together why don't you speak against the creation of that field instead? It was all more centralized before it.>developed enoughWhich yet another reason why software should do only one thing and do it well. You can quickly get it done and move on.
>>108453786>debian will do age verificationnot confirmed, stop lying >ubuntu will do age verificationnot confirmed, stop lying >fedora will do age verificationMost likely, they're "exploring options">arch linux will do age verificationthey haven't said anything, the only discussion was on arch-install which is a third party, not actually arch. stop lying >That's roughly 90% of linux users and 100% of linux active support, doesn't it?even if all those distros decided to age verification, no its not 90% of users or 100% of linux support. Debian and Ubuntu are largely irrelevant nowadays, most people use forks of them. Same with Arch atp with CachyOS and others.
>>108475600The field adds the ability for operating systems to make their usage compliant with the law if need be. It does not enforce the use of that field. As such, the forks are purely ideological and provide 0 utility. The addition of the field (as it stands right now) does not hamper anyone's freedom. There is no need to fuss about it, at least yet. I agree software should do one thing and do it well. I think you are talking about the multitude of responsibilities that systemd has. My point about the development delays caused by ecosystem fracturing in no way leads to your argument. Multiple software programs can achieve the same results regardless of how many responsibilities they have. You can have a million implementation of simple programs that have the exact same input and output characterestics.
>>108475676Yet.
>>108453786the age verification is just adding a stored value you can set for DOB...?annoying that they'd cater to over legislation
>>108475398You are still influenced by the medium of the internet no matter how much secure open-source software you use. Get off the computer faggot
>>108475750Suck my dick bitch. Don't forget to count your microsoft shill pennies, they short-change the retards
>>108475308>>108475315>>108475327>boot up the remote control display unit>ncurses window pops up>"is this Anduril Fury being controlled by an operator of at least a sixteen years of old?">click "NO">"eagle one this is CT, you are cleared for taxi"
We always knew redhat/pottering would be death of linux
>>108475638>debian>not confirmed>>108436148
>>108474434How so? The sleep/resume service for my graphics card doesn't work on OpenRC.
>>108453796>>108472476>totaly not a glowie kike astroturfing.kek
This is this generation's clipper chip.
>>108453786>trust takes decades to build but is destroyed in a instantJust like that open-source idealism ended.
Has anyone compiled a full list of this false open source software to be avoided?So far aware of systemd, wayland, xorg server, flatpak, arch installer, podman.
>>108476695>arch installer?
How is Void compared to Devuan?
>>108475676>It does not enforce the use of that field.NTA, but there's no use for the field other than to enforce it in the future. Therefore adding the field is as good as crossing the line. It's not even a fuzzy line. Lines only matter if you don't consent to them crossing it even an inch.If you happen to be one of those dense idiots who can't tell the difference despite so many others just "getting it", I suppose you might be inclined to ask why this is THE line. Well, maybe you should recognize that (((they))) are well aware that this is THE line, because they're banning and censoring people who speak about it. We saw this shit with bitcoin. We saw this shit with covid. The "conspiracy theorists" were right on both accounts. So get with the program.Also, this is clearly not about children, but about control. If they actually cared about children, they'd be arresting people on the Epstein list. But they're not doing that, so they evidently don't actually care. Anybody and all devs who believe the narrative about this being about children are really stupid. Like, I mean, really, really, stupid. It's unfathomable how fucking stupid they are. Calling them useful idiots doesn't even cut it.>the forks are purely ideological and provide 0 utility.That's because the field is purely ideological and provides 0 utility, you retard. Such is the nature of the line, so forks will be made of that nature. This isn't difficult but your mental gymnastics are astounding. Stop making it difficult: the field doesn't belong. It's as fucking goddamn simple as that. Nobody asked for this shit to run on our machines, it solves NOTHING, and yet the STAKES ARE HIGH. Remember the names of the devs kneeling right now as they insist they haven't fully bent over yet. "It's just a field" my ass. If they try to enforce this, expect forks to leave them behind. We won't even be watching as they get fucked for nothing. This is the line. Cross it knowingly, and expect to burn in hell.
bsd wins
>>108453786You just enter a brithdate that makes you anadult. You will be a geriatric Linux usurer and you will be 'appy.
>>108476819Shut up chud
>>108476896>"s... shut up!"lol that was easy. I accept your concession. Find a real job and redeem yourself, you tool.
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>>108470188After reading a sizeable chunk of the Epstein files, I would like to personally apologize to everyone who had or has a view commonly dismissed as a conspiracy theory. A theory is essentially a hypothesis that cannot be disproved. I would like to personally apologize to you for dismissing what I once considered extreme possibilities, and state that I now understand an explicit conspiracy is not required when a group of people share incentives and benefit in the similar ways from certain outcomes.
>>108472476Growing up is realizing you are responsible for every bad thing in the world because you keep saying "okay".
>>108467068We won a decade ago, you just refused to listen.
>>108470188The problem is that the frog is jumping out of the pot.
>>108476532Let's not forget the v-chip before that.
These laws are not just pushed by useless and illiterate pearl clutchers; Meta has been heavily lobbying for these laws since they are dealing with social media child endangerment court battles, and they want to push all the blame toward OS makers/maintainers to get rid of liability disputes.The way it is implemented in California: OS will need to verify user age bracket (-13, 14-15, 16-17, 18+) "at account setup" (the law is written poorly; Gavin Newsom asked for it to be amended earlier this month since it lacks nuance, even though he signed it last year), then the OS will need to send a signal confirming the age bracket with no need for additional personal information. The idea Fedora proposed is a standarized Linux verification app that says "this person is +18" to satisfy the California law.California has the soft version of the law, and it allows self-declaration of age, so short-term there is not much inconvenience for the average user. It sets the foundation to create a segregated internet, where unverified users (the verification will probably require government ID in some places) will have a nerfed version of the internet, where many major websites lose features or become inaccessible. Of course, governments will have AI-powered spyware and crack down on dissidents, major corpos will harvest all your personal information for extra revenue, and databases will get leaked making everyone including children more vulnerable.Brazil, UK, Australia, and laws proposed by a number of US states reject self-declaration of age by users. They need verification through government ID, credit cards, or biometric face scans.The US has strong free speech protections, so the best hope we have is for these laws to be overturned in courts, so there is room to escape from regional digital dystopias.
>>108453786None of them do age verification though
>>108475442You're a massive mongoloid, like on astonishing levels, nobody here is advocating for ditching linux, especially nobody is advocating about returning to MS and Apple. The argument made is hopping to a linux/bsd distro that is overtly against age verification.
>>108477240Yeah lets wait until they do...I swear if I didnt know half the posts here were bots anyway I would have lost all hope in humanity ages ago.
>>108478009I'm gonna wait for there to be even some sort of indication of actual verification and not just a voluntary userdb field, yeah.
>>108453786Time's up, pedos
>>108453965>Muh law is muh law>"Free and open source software"Bitch just go dick suck the chinese at that point you fucking cuck
>>108454995Mandatory facial scan, fingerprints, and blood sample every time you access any electronic device No I am not joking, they tested it in Iraq during the second gulf war
>all this age verification shit for "muh children">Not a single thing done about ANY of the Epstein Islanders Explain yourselves Americans
>>108478688stop nooticing goy
>>108478688STOP BEINGANTI-SEMITIC
>>108470005If they force it steamos will follow and everyone will ditch it once again lelGaben just has no luck
>>108472563Tell that to Brazil
>>108478731Gayben probably doesn't care much. He needs that info for his gayben store anyway.>>108478741Nobody gives a shit about brazil.
Whats the best distro to switch to for someone that's been using Debian since Stretch
>>108478758>Nobody gives a shit about brazil.I have a friend there so I do tangentially. Its a shithole though and if he moved I would stop giving a shit about it.
>>108478758I'm jusy poking fun at how valve has been getting shat on since they won that Rothschild lawsuit
>>108478839You give a shit about your friend, not about brazil.They tried suing Elon Musk a few years ago and nothing came out of it. Nobody cares, sometimes they throw their government a small bone so they stop crying.>>108478852>gayben won against the master jewThey what? Gimme the tl;dl? Gayben is way more powerful that I thought. When are they gonna suicide him?
>>108478760>Debian alternativeProbably Devuan or Ageless Linux.
>>108478867/v/ was talking about it a lot but one of the Rothschilds lost a patent troll lawsuit against valve recently, and INSTANTLY after came like 50 different other lawsuits against valve at the same time lmao, like the UK one and the New York oneThere's paid EGS antivalve shills on /v/ sometimes too often trying to paint valve as a monopoly for uh, not going full turbojew on their end customers.Honestly just don't go to /v/, jesus christ just look up babel media and Ubisoft. The board is unironically full of bots.
You idiots need to understand that systemd-homed only added a json field that can include the birthdate of a user. You don't need to use systemd-homed on a systemd system (if you haven't made a conscious decision you're not using it), and if you're using systemd-homed there is nothing that even prompts you to add a birthdate. Stop spreading misinformation.
*spreads misinformation*
>>108478688Why would they turn on the capitalist upper class? They're run by the bourgeois.
>>108476819Did you know that systemd-homed also includes an address field for each user? Yet it's not an issue.
>>108478926If /v/ermin hate them, they must be doing something right.Hope he beats the rothschilds on court again. Shame he will be found dead by suicide with 2 shots in the back on the head.
>>108453796At least you can vet open source software, dumbass
>>108453786You can just not use systemd-homed. You don't even need to not use systemd-init. Most likely you're not even using systemd-homed.
>>108478760>>108478895I was in the same boat. I just switched to Devuan (you can do an in-place distro swap, but in retrospect it might've been easier to just do a fresh install). Honestly, I should've done it years ago. My bootup time is faster now, despite all the pro-systemd propaganda I just gobbled up.My experience for the past couple weeks has been this feeling that I should've switched over YEARS ago. I really think there should be a concerted effort amongst GNU/Linux users to convince people to switch to non-systemd based distros, but not even because of recent events, just based on pure, pragmatic performance. But also, yeah, if Devuan/Void/Ageless don't start dramatically winning the OS popularity contests in the next couple weeks, it's a sounding of a coming death knell.
>>108479199Aren't systemd services easier to work with?
>>108479199What did you go with? OpenRC?
>>108479252I actually went with the worst case: sysvinit. i don't really understand why my bootup is faster. I really should try OpenRC sometime, though.>>108479249I'm not usually working with sysd services, but for sysv the commands have been practically the same.
>>108475676>wall of textDipshit, no fucking means no.
>>108479199https://popcon.devuan.org/Looks like they've added nearly 2k users. It's not much, but it's something, I guess.Not much movement in distrowatch.
>>108479388I'm assuming more will move as things get incrementally worse, most will probably just use the ageless linux script until it suffices.
>>108453786>let me get that straight.>OP>straight
>>108476818better, imho. the fact that it is independent *does* make it better. The package manager is very simpler.
>>108479003>>108479032>>108479060>systemd-homed only added a json field that can include the birthdate of a user>systemd-homed also includes an address field for each user? Yet it's not an issue.>Stop spreading misinformation.Misinformation? You dumb cretin, stop projecting. We know it's a field with no enforcement as of yet, and yes, it still is uniquely a problem of its own.That address field that exists in systemd-homed? LOL fuck YOUR misdirection, that's not even relevant to this discussion because there is no California law mandating operating systems to disclose the address of each user. Consider the context you dumb bitch: California mandates age verification for operating systems, and in response, systemd is adding a field for DOB. "It's only a field!" Fuck you, this is evidently a signal in response to California. The mandate and its rationale is retarded, and systemd is on par with their shitty reputation for preparing to comply like clockwork."But they haven't complied!" Retard, the pull request specifically states this is for the new California law, so the field serves no purpose BUT to comply at some point. Meanwhile Arch shuts down discussion about it on the grounds that opposing the date field is "radical". Motherfucker, this law and even preparing to comply to it is the dumbest fucking thing to have ever happened to GPL'ed operating systems in particular. So what was that? Do I even know about the address field in systemd-homed? That field is not even relevant to law, and as long as this age verification bullshit is dead on arrival, the better the chances that it stays irrelevant.Notice how the timing is unnaturally orchestrated, but the outroar is organic? Consider Discord also tried its age verification shenanigans recently and rolled back their plans for the time being. It's about what you'd expect because not everybody is the naive, docile idiot you think they are. You're burning yourself. Why?
>>108479527I know it was done to comply with the California age verification laws, I read the pull request myself. It's more productive to rally against legislators than to try to burn corpos (which I do not like either, but I digress) that are being forced to do this by the government (systemd is mostly a redhat led project, after all). Yes, the age verification laws are a horrible idea that only exists to further regulate our ever-dwindling free speech, I agree with you on that front. However, I think that it's a better idea to focus on putting the pressure on people that actually have power to change the situation rather than cry about a peice of software that no one even uses (you're not using systemd-homed unless you've made a conscious effort to).Also, regarding your allegation of me spreading "misinformation", if you had read the pull request, you would know that this doesn't even fully comply with the California age verification laws by itself. This is a *step* in that (admittedly very distopian) direction, and the software that is implementing this is something that almost no one uses (I'm willing to bet that you use systemd-init and not systemd-homed).How about we try to pressure legislators that actually have power over this rather than go on witch hunts for people/groups who are merely complicit.
>>108471291but i don't travel to america
>>108479690>>How about we try to pressure legislators that actually have power over this rather than go on witch hunts for people/groups who are merely complicit.We are.Anyone bending the knee to a blatant abuse of power, especially now before it's 100% enforced are part of the problem.They're kneeling at the mere suggestion of domination.Either they're in on it or useful cowards that need to be abandoned at best.Abandoning projects and their developers who are complicit in this is far from "a witch hunt"On a personal note, if I didn't care about privacy and wanted a unified project instead of a million fractured ones, I'd just use Windows.
>>108479838I agree with you on the privacy part, if I didn't care about my freedom to do with my computer as I wished, and didn't care about my right to freedom I'd use Windows.I also think that I may have misphrased the part about people going on witch hunts, I don't think that pressuring corpos to do the right thing is a bad thing, I simply don't think it's as productive as pressuring lawmakers. I think that we probably share the same opinion about most of these things, I just phrased it badly.I agree that corpos bending the knee is horrible, and we seem to be on the same page about pressuring lawmakers. I think that this dispute was simply because I phrased things inaccurately, since we seem to believe the same things, we're just arguing over the exact phrasing.
>>108479690>regarding your allegation of me spreading "misinformation"LOL please. I accused you two things: projection and misdirection, not misinformation. And now I'm going to accuse you of gaslighting. I already established the address field is irrelevant to the California law. You had no point to make there, and all you did was distract from the actual issue, which is age verification. You misdirected. Period.>you would know that this doesn't even fully comply with the California age verification laws by itselfPlease. I already addressed that. Don't make me repeat myself.>the software that is implementing this is something that almost no one usesPlease. Don't make me repeat myself. Fuck it, I'll repeat myself. THE VERY INTENT OF THE PULL REQUEST WAS TO PREPARE TO COMPLY WITH THE CALIFORNIA LAW. IT SERVES NO OTHER PURPOSE. THEREFORE WHETHER ANYBODY IS RUNNING THIS TODAY IS IRRELEVANT YOU FUCKING GASLIGHTING IDIOT. THE INTENT IS DESTRUCTIVE. IF IT IS DESTRUCTIVE, SPEAK UP.>How about we try to pressure legislators that actually have power over this rather than go on witch hunts for people/groups who are merely complicit.Kek. Why not both? And power? Do the devs own their GPL'ed code or not? Just don't mirror the distro in California, and voila, the devs no longer need to comply with bullshit laws. This isn't a Linux problem, this is a California problem. Let California fork their own bullshit Linux distros themselves. Problem solved. The devs who go out of their way to not take that path are not just complicit, they are willing. Way to bend over. "I haven't bent over yet! I'm only kneeling!" Yeah, I'd piss on them in public.
>>108479901> Just don't mirror the distro in California, and voila, the devs no longer need to comply with bullshit laws. You do realize that California is an extremely important market for all of the corporate distros, right? It'd be business suicide for them to say that their software can not be used in California.> Please. Don't make me repeat myself. Fuck it, I'll repeat myself. THE VERY INTENT OF THE PULL REQUEST WAS TO PREPARE TO COMPLY WITH THE CALIFORNIA LAW. IT SERVES NO OTHER PURPOSE. THEREFORE WHETHER ANYBODY IS RUNNING THIS TODAY IS IRRELEVANT YOU FUCKING GASLIGHTING IDIOT. THE INTENT IS DESTRUCTIVE. IF IT IS DESTRUCTIVE, SPEAK UP.How about you listen for a change? I was not saying that people shouldn't speak up about this, I was merely saying that it's more productive to rally for change that would actually matter. I doubt you could name one person who uses systemd-homed. It's simply more effective to go after the bigger targets, because REDHAT DOES NOT CARE, THEY CARE ONLY WHAT THEIR CLIENTS SAY. You saw what RedHat did to CentOS right?> And now I'm going to accuse you of gaslightingAccording to the Meriam Webster dictionary, gaslighting is defined as "the act or practice of grossly misleading someone especially for one's own advantage". I stand nothing to gain from misdirecting you, do I? I am merely a user of Linux, not the CEO of RedHat/IBM. I am also not misdirecting you, all I said was that the field is not enforced, and that it is stored by a program that no one uses (and that you could easily just not use, which you already probably don't).Finally, could you please calm down with the ad hominems? All it does is make you look like a caveman.
>>108479986>You saw what RedHat did to CentOS right?gimme a QRD. Isn't CentOS Stream a thing?
>>108478867>They tried suing Elon Musk a few years ago and nothing came out of itX backed down, deleted the investigated profiles and paid the equivalent of a $5 million fine. it certainly wasn't "nothing".
>>108480110Yeah, CentOS Stream exists, but the original CentOS was killed a long time ago by RedHat. CentOS Stream is rolling release, while CentOS wasn't.
>>108479986>ad hominemsNo, I did insult you, but as I did so I addressed all of your points. No ad hominem.>All it does is make you look like a caveman.Very well. This will be my last post here, and I'll be civil.>You do realize that California is an extremely important market for all of the corporate distros, right? It'd be business suicide for them to say that their software can not be used in California.Point taken, but only for those distros. Just expect community forks when those corporate distros comply. And Arch has no excuse.>How about you listen for a change? I was not saying that people shouldn't speak up about thisGaslighting again, are we? I didn't say you said people shouldn't speak up. You said the software implementing this is something nobody uses, and I said that is 100% irrelevant. Reading comprehension.>I was merely saying that it's more productive to rally for change that would actually matter.Maybe. People piled on Discord and scoured for alternatives. It half worked. That's a datapoint.>I doubt you could name one person who uses systemd-homed.Irrelevant. How about you listen for a change?>It's simply more effective to go after the bigger targetsMaybe. But Red Hat and Canonical have legitimate excuses right?>I stand nothing to gain from misdirecting you, do I?Your "gain" was to try to make a point. Your gaslighting was you altering history as if I claimed you were doing misinformation. That won't fly. If that was an unintentional mistake on your part, fine.Regardless of whether that qualifies as gaslighting, you still proceeded with the argument that an address field already exists in systemd-homed which is rarely even used, therefore the DOB field is insignificant. Your intent was clearly to downplay the DOB field. I invite you to re-read. Your point here is a non-point.>All it does is make you look like a caveman.Ad hominem. I addressed everything you said.Good talking. Here's hoping your intentions are good.
>>108480165Interdasting. If I want a more stable Fedora, should I daily drive CentOS Stream?
>>108480214I'd say use rocky Linux, it's like the old CentOS and is like an LTS Fedora if that's what you're looking for. To be honest though, CentOS Stream would also probably work, Rocky would just be a tad more stable.
>>108479838>They're kneeling at the mere suggestion of domination.Your virtue signaling isn't fooling anyone>I WILL NEVER EVER EVER BEND MY KNEE UNLIKE THESE WEAK ASS KEKSYeah cause it's not your neck on the line.
>>108479901>Just don't mirror the distro in California, and voila, the devs no longer need to comply with bullshit lawsPeople using any distro and living outside of California can buy a ticket to fly there, once they land in California law applies to them as well.The devs themselves dont have to care if they dont go there, but it would be nice if the distro has the tools ready to comply.The user can then make the choice if he wants to comply or not.Do you want to take the choice away from the user?
If a distro chose not to include verification, who exactly is California supposed to sue?>"Yeah sorry I'm not the guy in charge of age verification, I just patch our fork of firefox. You're looking for xXx_nekoanimelover_xXx, he handles the distribution of .isos.">"His identity? Nobody knows. He posts from tor and only mentioned he lives in a former Soviet country."
>>108480397>Do you want to take the choice away from the user?Yes. FOSS operating systems also do not include proprietary software; are you going to bitch about how this takes away the choice from the user to get fucked in the ass?
>>108480522The user that gets catched giving a computer to a child maybe?According to ageless linux website it is 7500$ per child.
>>108480549Most distros include proprietary blobs or let the user choose if they want to install them.All in all the way systemd solves this problem seems to be the best to me.
>>108480570>7500$ per childHmm what an odd number. I wonder what group of people could afford that.
>>108480397>Do you want to take the choice away from the user?Who, me? Yes! My name is California, and every OS in the world must bow to me!
>>108480605some say they like drinking out of beer steins if you know what i mean
>>108469413The UN is often involved in armed conflicts and not always as "peace keepers", which themselves are often just assisting the global elites with oppressing the local population's will.
>>108453786what the wtfI refuse to believe it. This is ridiculous.
>>108480789You better pull your head out the sand and realize that microsoft&co have spend the last decade or so infiltrating the open source community because they could not beat it. You are seeing the final stages of the infamous 3E
>>108453786Yes
>>108480337>Yeah cause it's not your neck on the line.But it's all of our necks on the line
>>108479900I'm only the last anon you replied to.The rest of the discourse was with somebody else.Regardless, I'm glad we can agree on privacy.
>>108453786where's my backlash ?
Monolithic systems are inherently insecure trash, everyone switched to them because it was easier, not better Systemd was a mistake
>>108480570>The user that gets catched giving a computer to a child maybeAll this bs could be resolved by requiring ID at end point of sale for the hardware and none of this bs on the system or software itself, make giving access to it like giving a minor beer. It absolutely worked for shitty parents that would send their kids to go buy beer and cigs while not trampling over the rights nd privacy of everyone.
>>108476739They want you to put in DoB at install.
>>108453786Why are they all so eager to support a law that hasn't been implemented anywhere yet?
>>108474219>No linux installer can do meaningful age checksJust how dumb are you Goyim? That obviously comes next, via mandatory state-issued ID.
>>108453786Install Solus
>>108484416But no voter ID requirements????
Install Gentoo isn't a meme, it is a divine principle.
>>108480866No retard, the worst thing that can happen to mere users like you is being unable to watch porn, the worst thing that can happen to OS providers is they get fined. Don't act like the stakes are at all similar.
>>108486208If the OS provider doesn't let me watch porn then they've already lost
>>108484406Especially since here in California the state loves to pass laws that are never implemented/enforced
>>108453786you are aware this isn't "age verification" but a surveillance mechanism in preparation for war
People will just fork the linux kernel, use openrc distros.The linux distros like mint, debian, ubuntu that comply with cucked US law with this bullshit that will become mandatory in every state will die out. People will just move to gentoo or make some other system.If mint doesnt move theirs hosts and website to eastern europe/russia and complies with systemds ID verification they are traitor little worms to FOSS and should die out.I never like that french fuck anyways.
>>108453786i seriously dont get why distros just dont comply, and let california live in the dark, since every crazy tech rule is either the eu or california
>>108453786all of them are going to look to systemd to implement itsolutioninstall devuan
>>108487139It gets funnier when you realize this particular law violates GDPR so their options are comply with CAlifornian law or comply with EU law and they're choosing California over the EU
>>108485487It shows you who they actually fear, doesn't it? They don't fear the people who vote, they fear the people who can use technology to have a voice
>>108453786verify deez nuts
>>108453786I'll tell you this, my estimation about open source software just fucking plummetedTo instantly bend the knee to government surveillance? It's a fucking disgrace.
>>108453965>b-b-but it's the lawholy shit, fuck these people. It's an open source code base. Who is california going to sue? A fucking github page? Is there a single developer who's willing to take a principled stance on this and at least force these governments to make a move first instead of instantly going belly up without a fight?
are they gonna ask sys admins if they're old enough to install their shitty os?fuck outta here
>>108453786>everyone should use linux>linux should be mainstream>we need more normies to use linuxcareful what you wish for.
>>108486208You're not looking ahead enough.Fines and no porn aren't even close to the issues this leads to.I know it's hard to see past your own immediate needs and ass.Also, bold of you to assume my background, accolades or career.This issue leads to a loss of freedom for everyone, including "mere users"For what it's worth, we're all Spartacus here.
>>108453793LFS just recently dropped sysvinit for systemd, which of course is implementing age verification. Luckily someone is forking the LFS book to maintain support for sysvinit
>>108453797Has Artix or Gentoo made any official statement on the matter? I know Devuan, Void, and Slackware have.
We are going to see a split in linux distros between the corpo distos and the FOSS distros that spit gets more visible each day. Every distro or project that adds age verification i just assume is compromised.
>>108453957What was I supposed to do? Go to California and do a mass shooting of trannies? I jumped to a distro that wasn't run by fags.
>>108491353Why not both?
>>108455049Somebody never bothered to read between the lines or pay attention to history.
>>108472639$2 billion in Meta money, blasted at the government as a super-PAC through shell companies. Who could possibly want these changes? Hmmmmmmmm?
>>108474283Can I hate them both?
>>108476833Don't talk about stuff you'd like them to forget about.
>>108490052I've been thinking that for years. The only thing keeping Linux good is that normies are too dumb/scared to use it.
even the UK doesn't need an OS loicense what the fuck is happening over in the US?
>>108491572WEF needs to have everything set for 2030, everything is moving in tandem.
>>108491576this
>>108453786>age verificationIn 2 more weeks there will be more fields to fill in.Nothing will stop this now.
Why dont peple use gentoo?
>>108492987It's a pain in the ass to keep your world set up to date.
