FAREWELL TO DROP

whats the point of artisanal caps? it's not like you'll ever use them in a working keyboard

>>108456905
That's the thing; there is no point.

>go to drop to see if any scraps left
>click item
>it shows out of stock despite no marking on the main page
>select "in stock" filter
>click item
>still out of stock
>go to different category
>click item
>in stock but ugly
>click "in stock" filter
>no items found
i forgot how horrible this website is

>>108456905
this entire hobby is a waste of money, but artisans in particular are an egregious waste of money

is mt3 actually gone for good or if corsair is going to stock it somewhere else? I'm assuming no one knows?

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i was considering getting these for the function keys on my numpad but it's $200 lol

>>108456980
Nobody knows what's going to happen to the MT3 profile, best-case scenario is its tooling becomes publicly available in some way and we see an explosion of MT3 clones or an official adoption by some other keyboard/keycap manufacturer like Keychron or Glorious or whoever the fuck. Worst-case the profile is forever relegated solely to Corsair shilling for the latest Netflix garbage.

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>cheapest 80% case: $25
>cheapest 80% plate: $10
>cheapest sound dampening foam: $8.50
>cheapest 80% pcb: $45
>cheapest switches: $8
>cheapest keycaps: $9
>$105 for the most garbage mish-mash diy
what's the point of DIY when you're going to be spending $200+ for something halfway decent?

You guys are all talking about picking up Drop.com stuff for pennies, meanwhile I just pissed $500 down the toilet just to not offend someone I don't know on Discord. We are not the same. (I am an idiot)

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>>108456905
just be glad we don't see this shit anymore

>>108457478
based Geonsissie
>>108457455
gatekeeping the poors out

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cursed af

>>108457455
kbdfans is known for being overpriced, at this point you can just get a better pre-built keyboard and change the keycaps and switches to whatever you want

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Been a while since I've looked at keyboards, like 5 or 4 years. What's the current place to look for good keyboards and switches? I always liked novelkeys, are there any other places I should look?

>>108457668
There's a vendor list in the OP.

I'm ordering keyboard to my brother. I'm not a rich man. I'm pondering if i should pay 30 for mechanical ajazz or 20 for office version.

>>108457979
imo it's probably better to get him a membrane keyboard with this budget

MX Clears are far nicer than MX Browns
why do people use Browns over it?
is it just muh sound?

>>108458510
It's because they know nothing about mechanical switches, so they go on youtube & find videos that tell them that it's a good "middle-ground switch" for newcomers.

>>108458520
doesn't explain the seasoned consumers with endgame boards using MX Browns as well

>>108457668
Cannonkeys is better

>>108458510
no one besides bottom tier normies use cherry mx switches these days

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shout out to the CRP F1 anon here who got his G on
how are you doing with those MX Blacks?

>>108459099
wrong
find me one endgame keyboard owner using Rosewoods or Oil Kangs on his Jane or whatever

>>108458510
it's a good middle ground switch

>>108459099
I'm going to be putting mx browns in this one >>108457478

>>108459099
this
no real mechanical keyboard enthusiast uses mx switches lol

retard spends 500$ on a keyboard just to put mx brown switches in it lmao

you either fit in with the herd or you do not belony
the MK hivemind is very real

>>108459514
belony sandwich

>>108459518
oopsie
I keep getting typos on my L/F/SS/BI MX Browns
but at least I BELONG

>>108456970
I can agree that this is entirely mental

>>108457979
three fiddy on ajazz got all of the whiz and wahoo of mkb in one package. it's a win anon

I am not sure that the Beatles are 'the greatest band of all time', as their fans seem to think. But I will say this for them: it is a strong signal that they can make such a bold positive claim with confidence. They can say "this band, The Beatles, are the greatest," and it's not trivial to dismiss the claim. If you add together all the people who say "the Beatles are an unremarkable boy band" they may be great in number, but if you were to ask any one of them to say which band *could* hold that preeminent place in the rock 'n roll canon, you would probably get a much more controversial and difficult-to-defend opinion than the one that says The Beatles are the best. Maybe it would be correct, but you could not get the anti-Beatles coalition to rally around it. And this suggests to me that, however overrated they might be, The Beatles must at least be one of the great rock 'n roll bands, if not the greatest.

>>108456561
Haven't been looking into this shit for years. Is drop kicking the bucket ?

>>108459920
Yes, Drop has officially died, everything is taken down from their store as of midnight last night, they were running flash-sales on everything to try and clear warehouses. They're getting lobotomized into a brand-name for Corsair and it's unknown what'll happen to a bunch of Drop specific stuff outside of still being available on Amazon in some capacity.

>>108459928
Damn that's a whole era of consumerfagging coming to an end then. I don't know whether to be happy or sad. There were plenty of good products released over the years but they were fleecing their customers for sure.

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Those stupid idiots from InPost literally chucked my bag onto the cobblestone over my front gate without so much as ringing the bell, hoping all my 110 Silent Frozens and keycaps are intact.

>>108459952
They used to have a lot of odds and ends crowdfunded or interest-checked but it did go downhill when Corsair bought them; arguably the first cracks where Matt3o complaining about his relationship with Massdrop and Drop when developing and releasing MT3 profile (hence him running weeping and shitting into GMK's arms to release the same profile with blackjack and hookers, MTNU), but I recall something about Matt3o also being a prissy bitch to work with

Regardless this is a pretty similar website to the old Massdrop https://apos.audio/ and I could see it gaining ascendancy with Drop's actual death

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These switches are actually quiet in a living room holy shit. Will report more on differences in feel and acoustics shortly.

I FORGOT THE 122 KEYCAP SETS DONT INCLUDE ALTERNATE BOTTOM ROW KEYCAPS AHHHH FUCK MEEEEE WHY DID I FORGET TO BUY THE 168 KEYCAP SET FUCM FJCM FJCK FUCK

>>108459962
GMK just works better with designers
Signature Plastics/Melissa have also fallen
it is time to embrace GMK supremacy

>>108460192
what do you mean? what happened to signature plastics?

>>108458822
I like cannonkeys, but they’re overpriced

Anyone here got a Keychron keyboard? I have ran into a weird glitch with the keychron k10 he. Alt tabbing keeps the alt key held down.

I tested alt tabbing whilst holding down ghjk and it keeps all keys held down despite the switches not sticking down

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>>108460406
they did an oopsie

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is this as good as they say or just a meme? looking to up my keyboard game.

how many of you build your own vs buying a barebones kit and then some switches/caps?

>>108461243
>not even a 16-bit board
ngmi

dead general

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>>108461343
>build your own
Yea, including the PCBs.

>>108460865
the fuck is MOQ

>>108461343
barebones + solder PCB

>>108462355
Minimum Order Quantity.

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>decide to go look for a new keyboard
>go to corsair since I use icue for macros and i'm lazy
>see drop keycaps
>think nothing of it
>go look at drop for their keyboards
>they're shutting down
>business is reduced to being a glorified keycap seller in corsair
>audio section holocausted
>don't even know what I could replace my pc38x with when it goes to shit since even epos doesn't make that anymore

>>108460865
They didn't "oopsie" That's bridge burning. They don't want to deal with either this person or this consumer base anymore.

>>108461243
yes jeez get it

>>108462833
it affected others too so that's it then
GMK wins

After years of experimentation I have concluded that linears are just better
Tactile switches peaked with the buckling spring and it was all downhill from there
Clickies are just tactiles with an added gimmick

>>108463229
they all have their moments
there is no life without MX Blacks
there is also no life without MX Browns

>>108463229
I like buckling springs but I don't think they beat modern tactiles, that said I also think they're somewhere between a linear and a clicky in feel in practice

>>108463229
COPE

actuated MX Blacks

>>108459959
kill yourself pollack hahahaa hope all the stems were crushed

you actually can't tell the difference between linears, tactiles, and clickies. it's al in your head

What case should I buy?

>>108456905
It's to make money off of streamers and youtubers.

>>108457589
>>108457603
These must be annoying to clean off dust and gunk

>>108463229
I bought a sampler and used the tactile and click switches for the Lock keys

>>108463229
linears are mushy and soulless

>>108464482
Mushy isn't the right word. But there's something empty about them. They're a bit like typing on a touchscreen.

I'm having that terrible realization that they're just keyboards and the money I sunk into it all can never be recouped

>>108464679
What matters is that they'll last you until you die.

>>108464482
use hmx
they are creamy lubed long pole bangers

>>108463229
OP here
nevermind tactiles are pretty nice

>Budget
Up to $250USD

>Location (continent at least)
Canada (Ontario)

>Preferred switch type
Not well versed in this but like the way my friends Wooting 60HE sounds and feels

>Layout
ANSI

>Form factor
Prefer 80% but also leaning towards 98%. I enjoy the numpad for some reason.

>Backlight
Looking to stray away from RGB. A warm white light would be nice but also fine with no backlight.

>Previous/current keyboards
Shitty microsoft ones and razor. Currently typing on a 15 year old razer lycosa.

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respect the designers bro
it's not easy to relabel Blue Alert to Olivetti
it takes real skill

>>108465719
why not just get a wooting yourself?

>>108465778
wanted to see if people here also recommended it or if they had other recommendations too.

>>108465908
woot it up

>>108465908
Get a Madlions clone if you're interested in a Wooting, costs less and it's the same shit

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How big should my tip be for switch desoldering? I fear my chisel tip might be too small compared to stock for effective heat transfer because it ain't melting joints unless they are half as large on my test subject even at 380c.

>>108466674
fucking hell
just use hotswap

>>108465719
get a typface kafka in august when they have extras

>>108465719
extend it to tree fiddy and get this
https://clickclack.io/collections/new-arrival/products/in-stock-intro-s100-fully-assembled-mechanical-keyboard
>>108467397
the Kafka is a TKL now?

MX Blaecks

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This solder sucker sucks huge dick as I feared and I worry that I jumped the gun on my main keyboard PCBs too soon and actively destroyed both already and these switches are impossible to remove. Desolder seals are extremely hit or miss and rapidly become messy. LEDs are no problem, switches though more so.

I really should have stuck to my test PCB, why the fuck did I jump to the one of a kind board when hunger, sleep deprivation, and thirst was starting to silently kick in. Fuck me, I hate everything.

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>>108467814
Alternating between 350-380C and applying lead solder first proves effective, but seriously fuck the sucker. I might have also been jumping the gun way too soon or burnt that white area on the bottom left LEDs because my hands were starting to get shaky from lack of food/water. If I applied some solder first, the heated the pad and pin again and waited 5 seconds it would suck out nicely.

Of likewise great concern is the switch pins getting bent or melted though, that was unexpected and I never saw mention anywhere else. LEDs come out easy though. Broke my switch puller trying to push out one of the reds though it wobbles. I am so tired and stressed my head hurts I want to puke.

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Fuck, I just remembered I had the flux that was supposed to save me from this bullshit but I forgot to figure out how to open the damn tube or get it out.

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>sucks huge dick
>hunger
>deprivation
>thirst
>fuck me
>fuck the sucker
you are so INTENSE

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>>108468064
Not even the recollection of sucking on my girlfriends huge tits can alleviate the level of chronic mental and physical anguish I experience as an Eastern European man since 2020. Every choice and decision is sink or swim, no room for error, if you don't succeed at first or do it in the right order with good execution you fail and all your plans, money and sleep go to shit while the morons on your team are none the wiser and the family has long sunk into apathy while you can only acidify your gut about the mistakes and regrets in your life choices snd how you are responsible alone even though all you had to do was repeat something safely and relaxed 100 times before moving onto the main event.

There will be no dawn for my keyboard at this rate and its promised beauty and silence. I don't even feel like having sex right now, this is too painful and tiresome.

just get a hot-swappable keyboard lmao

soldering schizos are something else

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What's /mkg/s consensus on this?
I really want a mechanical keyboard before the economy collapses as my fingers are starting to hurt from the cheap one I'm using now.

I like the extra buttons and the macro recorder sounds really sick and useful, but maybe you guys don't like it.
Something better I can get off amazon.de?

>>108468374
I might buy this if my K95 is fucked, I originally considered it.

>>108468201
I did something stupid too, if it helps
tried installing my CPU in the motherboard while I was dead tired
ended up bending a bunch of pins and rendered it useless

I might pull the trigger on the Ajazz Ak820 pro with Gift keys.

>>108468450
>K95
what can that one do?

>>108468645
18 programmable macro keys
6.5u spacebar
1.5u control key
media controls
sexy brushed aluminum
wrist rest

how does one melt the pin on their switch

they said Sonja HCs are dry and scratchy
it feels just like any other HMX linear
I've been had

>>108468692
a lighter and a steady hand

>>108467814
>>108467844
Are you going to socket these for hotswap?

I was wondering about that F122...
What if I could custom order a golden metallic IBM sticker and get one of those braided coiled aviator cables in white with a golden connector?

Would be cool if you could get a basic beige coiled 3m USB-C cable tho, maybe there are sellers on Ali that could sell that?

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This is from a few years ago but I just want to bitch about it because I just remembered it and it pissed me off again
>order Glorious gmmk because i didn't know any better
>stabs are dog shit and keep causing my keys to stick
>mad because its brand new $300 keyboard shouldn't have shitty stabs ootb
>email support asking to return
>they email me instructions on how to fix it which involves pouring a tiny bit of iso alchohol in the stabs to help break down the lube that causing the issue
>do that doesn't work
>email glorious again asking to return
>tell me because I modified the keyboard, it's out of warranty and I can go fuck myself
Threw the fucking keyboard in the trash. Got a Keychron Q1 now I really like it.

>>108469287
Sounds like you failed an INT check honestly, not surprising if you'd be satisfied with a Keychron.

>>108467814
You'll get the hang of it. Although I must admit it got a lot easier when I gave up on using the little solder suckers and switched to a big Hakko desoldering gun

>>108469359
>Sounds like you failed an INT check honestly
oh definitely. Idk shit about keyboards, thats why I bought a gmmk. They send me instructions to put a tiny bit of iso down the stab to help stop the keys from getting super stuck. I used a needle and poured a few drops, but the keys were still getting stuck, but the key travel started feeling terrible and squeaking. What did I do wrong? What should I have done? I trusted their support, and when I told them hey I followed the instructions but it's still not working they told me sorry you modified it so it's out of warranty. That's scummy bro don't clown on me for that ;=;

>>108469287
can't believe what a fall from grace glorious had, when they were first starting out they were the internet's poster child
I remember getting the gmmk and looking back at it, the board is dogshit
Super thin aluminum that you could ben the chassis with very little force, shitty stabs, no cutout for 5 pin switches, etc.
And then the whole gmmk pro lineup seemed like a total cashgrab to take advantage of people looking to get into custom boards but couldn't actually do their research first

>>108469628
Glorious' niche is/was basically three things
>They were the first to have a hotswap keyboard you didn't have to look everywhere to purchase, iirc it was a Tecware Phantom Elite keyboard they bought a bunch of and changed the homework around on
>They were the first to have an aluminum chassis keyboard (namely a Satisfaction75 clone what with the knob, exploded arrows and three-key nav cluster) that you could just, you know, buy off the shelf, and didn't have to wait in a group buy for or deal with notorious dodgy QC and no repair path or return path
>They support the everloving FUCK out of their products with an ecosystem of accessories. Glass mousepads, ceramic and PTFE mouse feet, switches, keycaps, switch plates, alternative GMMK Pro housings and colors

That last one is probably their biggest plus, if you need a replacement part from them or want to replace a major part specifically, it's easy to do so and they tout it as a customization feature. You will pay an arm and a leg for it but you can do it and you can get it. The company itself is full of morons (recall they couldn't figure out QMK/VIA for the GMMK Pro, that ended up being the community accomplishing it and not the outsource worker they hired to figure it out "internally") but if you have something from them and you've got cash to splash they will take care of you

What are the best stabilizers currently or any upcoming ones to look out for?

>>108470026
Stabs kinda hit a quality equilibrium and as long as you're not trying to buy the known shit ones from legacy like Costar you're probably gonna be hunky-dory as far as stabs go

Althoougghhhhhhh

Durock are still the easiest to get ahold of for screw-in stabilizers, I highly recommend CMMK stabilizers for clip-ins

>>108470026
knight v4s, typeplus and I am unironically going to say cherry

>under $150
>us
>barebones
>ansi
>TKL
>rgb, preferably with non-annoying eye cancer options
what are my options?

>>108465731
where's ctrl?

>>108470318
>rgb, preferably with non-annoying eye cancer options
pick one

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german engineering

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>>108470362
There's a lot more where that came from.

>>108470323
in place of capslock

I'm looking to replace my current keyboard, a secondhand Razer BlackWidow Tenkeyless v3 (yellow switches) that started acting up after almost 4 years of use. I'm looking for something that feels similar, but with a different layout and maybe form factor.

>Budget
~$180
>Location
South America
>Preferred switch type
Yellow switches, or at least something that feels close enough
>Layout
ISO-ES
>Form factor
100% preferred, could take 80%
>Backlight
RGB, but not too important, would take none if the price is considerably lower
>Previous/current keyboards
Razer BlackWidow Tenkeyless v3 (yellow switches) - Before that just stock keyboards and such

>>108470026
just get any of these >>108470226
Cherry stabs + Geon balanced wires = holy FUCK

>>108470362
>>108470392
this is alright
it's why some people buy multiple sets of the same design
like the plebbitor with four botanicals

>>108470342
my keychron has a mode where it's all dark and you press a key and it lights it up as well as its neighbors, which is nice

RBO linears just don't hit so good
that's why some people swap out stems on MX Blacks
bottoming out on the pole gives it essential tactility

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>>108464679
>I'm having that terrible realization that they're just keyboards and the money I sunk into it all can never be recouped
until you use your 5 pounds korean goodness as a weapon
this thing could be used as a missile
anybody knows why the Z key is slanted down? Looks intentional tbqh as that's where your index rests when gaming

>>108471633
Caps changed from QWERTY to AZERTY

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>go to sleep
>have segsy time in the evening and morning
>immediately take shower, tea, sandwich and egga with no word
>go downstairs and select the big chisel tip and set 380c
>sit by the nice and sunny light with a breeze coming in
>apply the miracle leaded solder and flux as i feel like it
>reflow any partial joint removals
>hold 3-5s
>firm sugg with the crappy plunger
>almost perfect solder removal
>HOPIUM: ADMINISTERED
Now I just need to figure out how to remove the switches, especially the ones with the bent pins. Pliers I guess since I will be replacing them.

>look at keyboards
>they have knobs
Who the fuck uses this ugly shit ugh

>>108464679
we all have our reasons
consider how unusual this hobby is when approached the way we do
if it holds meaning to you, don't deny that
if you realise it doesn't, that's okay as well

>>108471678
you cheat
you got laid and got your form back

>>108471803
They're optimal for controlling volume (or anything else you want to map it to)

>>108471838
Not really, my head hurts horribly and I am tired. All my zinc got lost and my gains from last weeks cycling marathon are moot.

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>>108471678
Starting to get the hang of it I think, but now my biggest worry is environmental pollution from all that solder dust getting sprayed everywhere on the pcb, plate, switches, table, floor, wall, fuck. Next thing I know we'll be absorbing and eating those fine metal particles. Paranoia fuel my detox from last night is about to be invalidated.

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>>108471915
Damn this is starting to chip away at my tip way sooner than I thought, haven't tinned it yet but I do use brass wool every 2-4 joints.

>>108471915
if factory workers can solder day in day out and live to 70, I'm sure you will too
nothing to worry about
take NAC if you want

>>108471957
>and live to 70
really not beating the allegations with life expetancy that low tbqhfamalam especially considering there's no telling how much lead dust they absorbed and damaged themselves with before that

mech keyboard hobby exists purely because of people accumulating lead dust in their bodies making them stupid enough to keep at it

>>108465731
>Olivetti
Are those keycaps available in ISO? Miring that blue Enter.

>>108469831
NTA, first reply to this thread, but there is value in splashing cash sometimes to get shit done. As long as you don't let it become default it's a'ight.

>>108471042
This is basically what CPU makers do with their processors, make a lot and branding them with tiers according to how they came out.

>>108472071
look it up jeez

>>108464679
Even the realization that's useless for you has value. For me, I need blue Enter IBM keys in a durable set, so the only way is a mecha. Being able to resolder keys so that your keyboard is fixable in the long run is also a must.
I'm very afraid personal computing is already past its peak. We will need to live with what we have for a very long time, spares are essential.

>>108472220
Fair enough, thanks for at least replying.

>>108469831
Geon does the same now
>endless hotswap compatibility
>endless plates and plate files
>every accessory you could ever need
>special treats with GMK split sets
>special treats with unlubed Cherries
brother Geon leads the way now
hail to the King

best stem for swapping on MX Browns?
it's time to get my G on

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Almost halfway there... now I just hope my tip survives long enough and that I can clean this fucking dust everywhere. It's scary how near invisible it is on the gloves.

I also broke my switch puller like a fucking half asleep spastic because I tried pushing instead of using my head to do it from above.

>>108473778
use a handheld air duster next time
one of those Wolfbox type things
I can't live without mine

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MX Blacks are always dogshit for spacebars
al-fucking-ways
Constance TKL had the same problem
>Cherry is the gold standard-
NO
>if it won't work with Cherry then it's bad-
NO
>Cherry excuse #3-
NO

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>>108473816
I might be fucked unless I get some vaccuum with a HEPA filter cause holy shit this is Wizard of Oz tier levels of glitter, I had an accident while tired where my desolder pump sprung open and sprayed my pants, sleeve, and even part of my eyewear with solder dust and the surrounding floor, table, and window seal.

WHY HAVE I UNLEASHED THE SOLDER DUST APOCALYPSE? WE ARE BAD PEOPLE! I should have learned to wick instead... it's the fucking desolder pumps producing glitter. It's on fucking everything after today yet I am basically done desoldering. I need a wet wipe or vaccuum for my PCB, plate, switches, LEDs, I fear I have ruined my life and house permanently instead of just wicking or buying a hotswap board from the start. They didn't tell you about this part in the tutorials.

>>108475028
lmao what a shitshow
I am so glad I didn't fall for the solder meme
I'd sooner burn my dick off than go through that

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>>108456697
>Complaining on Discord edition
how do i make an account on a vpn? it seems like when i make a new discord account on vpn it just does not work when joining a server

dry Cherry with tactile stem swap sounds tighter + less scratchy than lubed browns
can't make this up
fucking rattleshit Cherry stems
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xd5heLsY03A

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Think I found the perfect cable for Model F reproductions. USB-C, beige, coiled, solid. Would practically look on-point once mounted.
https://aliexpress.com/item/4001238771239.html
Funny that I keep thinking about how I would go about modding one even though I'm yet to pay Joe that down payment because of Visa being retarded and having their payment processor reject their own card.

>>108475730
yeah it's better to buy it

>>108475820
I mean, if it was about the amount of money in the transaction then it wouldn't matter, it was something about Authorize.net not understanding that the address I gave is the same as on my card, throwing a hissy fit. I'm still waiting on Joe to reach out to me about using an alternative payment method.

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I'm looking for an ISO kit on ali, preferably TKL but can't find any, all I see is the GMK87 but its not ISO. The one ISO kit I found its like 200 dollars what the fuck is it, why is it so rare?

>>108475844
dude just get any hotswap TKL with ISO support
Evo80, Neo80, this, that

I'm now sitting on a literal pile of mt3 sets after drop going under.

>>108476822
In my heart of hearts the MT3 tooling will be released for chinky clones to flood the market and I will finally be able to get GMK DMG in MT3 profile.

>>108477001
Corsair will disney vault it. Or you might get one more lord of the rings x marvel mt3 set in an orange and green pallet and it will be sold exclusively bundled with a $300 prebuilt K-whatever piece of shit. Enjoy.

>>108475449
Yeah, just buy a fucking hot swap next time or you need to use a wick instead, ideally build a clear plastic box with holes for your hands, an isolated trashcan to the side, and a HEPA filter with a fan to another side chamber to create negative pressure and suck out particles.

Tools and preparation matter, and this envirommental catastrophe is absolutely not worth it.

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>>108475028
Anon did you get one of those turbo cheap Niteo bottom of the bargain bin tier solder suckers you fucking idiot
You can get a nice aluminium one or even a heated electric Yihua one from Ali for cheap

MX Blacks on 0.15mm TX Switch Films

MX Browns on 0.3mm Deskeys Switch FIlms

Could a flexed PCB be the cause of keys to not register? As in, from a poorly designed not-stiff-enough body bow out along the middle between the raised riser feet? However, the strange thing is I notice that if I remove the key and then blow into the hole in the switch it will temporarily resolve the problem before it decides to fail again at some point. The keys affected are not necessarily the most used, though its often the same handful of keys malfunctioning.

It's not even a case of pressing down harder to get it to register, sometimes just holding it down all the way will still take seconds before it starts to stutter and register. I have tested it in various text fields and programs and I'm pretty sure it isn't software related. This board (Akko 5087) is not straightforward to disassemble but I'll do it as a last resort to check every switch.

>>108478874
sounds like a QC issue on the board but sometimes it's the switch itself
try it with another switch in the same key
if it works then you'll know it's not the board

>>108479009
The problem is that it doesn't always occur and there is no set schedule to when a key decides to act up. But I will have to keep that in mind and see if I can swap switches to test. If blowing on it temporarily relieves the issue then I doubt the result will be very scientific if I'm pulling them out and moving them around.

>>108479009
Also I forgot to mention that this KB is about 9 months old. Problems only popped up now.

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>100% keys but different layout
>more keys than 96%
what is this layout called?

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>beige
>B.A.E
>F-row
I love seeing keyboards in old sci-fi shows

>>108479673
retardation

>>108479673
I'm kinda fuckin' with the huge Delete key

>>108479706
it looks a little retarded but my company wont let us buy TKL and thats the only one that can fit in my drawer

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>>108479815
Lenovo should move their sorry asses and re-release this bad boy with their newest keyboard design or smth

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>>108479834
print screen is in a weird spot but the dealbreaker is ctrl not being on the very left

>>108475930
>look it up
my gut instinct tells me aliexpress things just shouldn't cost this much, particularly when ANSI kits are like a quarter of that price

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>>108479870
The newest ThinkPad keyboards finally ditched this so there's no need to do the BIOS tweak, and if Lenovo was to re-release it with the current layouts it would be a non-issue as well.

Question is whether or not they'd carry over the useless Win+Shift+F23 macro button you'd then have to rebind in software to act as the Menu key. Though I guess corporate would be lenient in offering you software to do so since PowerToys is a first party Microsoft project, so it has good validity.

Blacks on Alu only makes sense if the Alu plate is thicc

I want to go in the exact opposite direction. saw an anon here months ago recommending some new keyboard tech, I forget what it was, not membrane but sounded like something similar, main feature is that it was just super quiet.

>>108480351
EC switches and topre? They're not new but they are pretty quiet. There's also raeds which are an HE switch that use EC style rubber domes instead of a spring to feel like topre while keeping the advantages of HE.

>>108480531
honestly no idea, neither of those sound familiar so I don't think so, I don't believe it was a mechanical keyboard to begin with, so not changeable switches, but who fucking knows. used to use a keyboard with blue switches and blank keycaps to feel like a supernerd, got tired of it after a few years (mainly because the keys were dust magnets). Currently using a logitech k800 just because it's light, wireless and with relatively flush keys so dust isn't a huge problem, but my room setup has changed and the shitty dongle that logitech keyboards use can't handle more than 10ft distance, so now I'm in the market for a new keyboard. It's gotta be bluetooth, full-size and ideally quiet and with as flush keys as possible.

>>108480578
When you said quiet and similar to membrane, that's all I could think of. I have no idea then. If you did want full size topre, you could get a realforce but they're expensive.

>>108480578
here you go
>https://clickclack.io/collections/new-arrival/products/in-stock-intro-s100-fully-assembled-mechanical-keyboard

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WE GOT ANOTHER ONE
HAHAHAHAHAHA

the fuck is this backspace?
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5w5CK7CTkU

actuating MX Blaecks

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would you use this?

>>108481710
>having to use an Fn key just to type a number
I would sooner kill myself

>>108481710
>0.25u bottom row stagger instead of 0.5
>40% without split space
>1u backspace
no

>>108481710
No, I wouldn't use any row staggered board.

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>>108481710
Just get a touchscreen already jfc

>>108456697
redpill me on wooting 2 he
I like rhythm games and got shilled this

>>108481710
badasses who rely on layers and can manage even with keyboards half that size

>>108481901
best in the market for plug and play
set and forget
just get it already
don't wait for the others to shill you something cheaper

Nigger

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>>108481901
one step above corsair in quality, so not great. as a normalfag im sure it's fine but a keyboard autist is gonna want venom pcb + a compatible case for HE

Recommendations for a hot swap, gasket, 75% board? GMMK 3 looks promising, thinking of getting that

>>108482164
neo75 cu

>>108481901
Wooting got really pissed when Madlions and other HE keyboards starting coming out so take that as you will

>>108482164
holy FUCK it's 2026
there are FAR better offerings than the GMMK 3
fuck's sake

>>108482164
Neo75 (not the cu variant)
https://www.qwertykeys.com/products/neo75-custom-mechanical-keyboard

>>108482164
https://www.amazon.com/BOYI-YK82-Programmable-Gasket-Mounted-Mode-Switching/dp/B0D66VZT4D

>>108482164
>gasket
Why?

>>108483000
why not
there is nothing else for 75% cucks

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I thought this was a meme keyboard. I've actually been looking up reviews and these 8BitDo Retro keyboards seem decent. Plus they look sick. Has anyone here gotten one?

>>108482410
What's wrong with the GMMK 3? it seems like a solid board for the price

>>108484672
I'm sure it is
it's just you can get more for your money in 2026
don't deny yourself

What is the best tactile switch with no pretravel? Preferably not very heavy, but I can always spring swap.

>>108482251
Explain

Can I have a mech kb with flat caps like in laptops?

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>>108485148
low profile is the closest

>>108484639
Seriously considering pulling the trigger on this. Are there better keyboards for the same price?

>>108484639
just get a keychron

I need a full size hot swap PCB/case with multimedia keys or shortcuts, 1000Hz poll or higher, whatever is cheapest and lets me do a silent build.

>>108485585
Plate mount stabilizers, btw.

>>108485520
I've been listening to keychron keyboards online and I don't like how they sound hollow and loose.

>>108478084
>did you get one of those turbo cheap Niteo bottom of the bargain
I was gonna order a Hakko 20G from Ali or an Engineer but was stopped at the last minute because "hurr you don't need that it's too expensive" even though everyone was saying how horrible the stock suckers are.

>>108474616
Stop filming your switches for mod keys ffs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liZp0GJk7jk
>clickclack THUD click THUD clack clack THUD clack THUD click THUD clack THUD clickclackclack THUD
is there a way to fix it?

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>>108485585
Zuoya GMK108?

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>>108485606
Get the SS-02 don’t get the newer version because it’s literally a downgrade (matte finish vs. glossy finish) or if you’re lazy get the Goot TP-30 instead.
But honestly, just get the SS-02

>buying an epomaker or barebones full size hotswap kit with switches from the start would have literally been cheaper than soldering rather than more expensive
Fuck me, why didn't I do this sooner, what have I done? Would have saved me 100-150 dollars by this point and solder debris probably.

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>>108481710
my 40% fourier split is very similar to that, i like it a lot but i dont use it anymore since the shitty usb-micro ports broke on both sides

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>>108485606
>>108485676
I got a chink clone of the SS-02 for ~10zł, IIRC on Bundle Deals, all lubed up from factory. Wasn't even aware it was a direct rip-off of it, it was cheap and aluminium so I got it.

>>108486004
I saw an Allegro listing for a real SS-03 for 130 or something but held off, how was it? It's way too late for me by this point because I got debris everywhere but this might have worked for all I know. Lol, same carpet.

>>108486091
>how was it?
The chink knock-off? Got no comparison to the real deal and I kinda suck at soldering but it's okay, seems to suck up solder well enough if I manage to melt it properly and it's a proper metal build so you won't be getting that sort of accident. And yeah KRUX Space Carpet best desk mat

>>108485439
What's the use case for low profile?

>>108486178
it looks cleaner and more futuristic

>>108484873
HE and TMR keyboards all feel pretty much the fucking same because they're just magnet-based linear switches, the difference is in what quality of case and keycaps do they come with and how functional is the software built for the keyboard. Most HE/TMR knockoffs are 90%-95% of the way there to fully aping Wooting's special sauce software and you get the board at a fraction of the price.

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>>108485807
I would've warned ya if I'd been around. There's literally no point in hand-soldering a board these days. Not to say soldering isn't a good skill to have, but hotswap is just, well, better.

My first soldering project was a KSC75 MMCX mod, very little to fuck up but enough to have a learning experience and a finished, working project.

>>108485807
I don't understand how soldering is causing you so much headache. But I didn't go cheap on my soldering gear so maybe that's part of why I had such an easy time

>>108484829
Gattyron Typehurr

>>108485634
buy a Geonworks TKL

>>108486178
easier to fit in your pack when you go to a fag convention

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>>108486403
I'm looking for a keyboard, not keyboard parts

>>108486377
>how soldering is causing you so much headache
Using a shitty included solder sucker instead of a better one or a wick/braid with at least one instance of it going /rbmk/ and sprinkling ultrafine glitter everywhere is how.

>>108486468
To be clear, desoldering its self is not the issue, its the fucking litter it created. Didn't secure my work area well enough or probably emptied my sucker often enough too, but it would even leak debris through the back.

>>108486468
>solder sucker
Oh, you're desoldering. That can be a real pain, depends on the PCB. Takes a lot of practice to develop the right technique for dealing with the pins that get stuck. Even after switching to a desoldering gun I still don't love desoldering.

>>108486391
Is the type-r actually a good switch? I hear them mentioned a lot, but no post or pre-travel with 3mm distance sounds very odd. Isn't that basically how rubber domes work?

>>108486656
just try it
try the Retro J and Snowfall from HMX as well
you won't know until you try

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What is the purpose of knobs?

>>108486681
Holy consoomer

>>108486814
Feels nice to play with it

>>108486833
they sell switches in teeny tiny packs now

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>>108487033
I'm with you on that 100%
I LOVE playing with knobs

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If I'm undecided about comitting to a black or white keyboard, is it better for me to just buy the black version and put wallaper on the plate and casing unless I can pay someone to 3d print separate case panels?

I really wish they would just let me buy the parts individually if I feel the mood for changing to white or black.

>>108486814
Obvious knob functions like scrolling or software-side volume control, and at absolute worst it fulfills the function of three keys in one. I use mine for zoom-in/zoom-out on web browsers and in programs.

>>108486814
i actually like having a volume knob on my keyboard which is a perfect segue for my question. what are my options out there if i absolutely need a volume knob? i absolutely hate my razer keyboard and want to throw it in the trash. i like switches that are more clicky than those that are not,

>>108484829
literally any hmx tactile

>>108487205
>>108487254
Why should I use a knob and TFT display over 4 extra VIA programmable keys?

>>108487321
because it speens. also i can pretend it's a nipple.

>>108487321
Only really losing one key in that setup vs. the four because a knob has three inputs

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>>108487347
>Only really losing one key in that setup vs. the four because a knob has three inputs
Hmm, I haven't considered that as a possibility somehow considering I am normally used to multimedia keys + mute + wheel. Wondering now if I should get the GMK104 for 55 złoty more than the 108 from some no name shop on Ali instead now.

>>108487713
Guess it'll mostly depend on how much you want the screen (I personally like having a clock on a keyboard for easy glancing) since they're otherwise so similar in feature-set and layout

>>108487870
>on how much you want the screen
I value the knob and extra buttons more than a screen to be honest, I may find myself turning it off because extra light sources fatigue and distract me and it sucks power when wireless. So I'm kind of undecided now.

>>108487890
If it's TFT any power-draw it'll take is negligible to be desu with you family

>>108456697
Thought about getting a mechanical recently.
Instead got 2x scissor keyboards and saved some money. Got one as backup on the shelf.

>>108487916
I guess the value of the screen will depend on just how much I can customise it, if I can turn it into a cat thought displayer 9000 for example or use it to display something from my computer or phone.

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who is spending $400+ on a keyboard before switches and caps (another $100-$150 probably)?

i'm looking at the GMK104 but im a huge retard to be honest. if i buy the board on aliexpress can somebody show me a list of parts i need to purchase along with it? obviously i know i need switches and key caps
https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256807785210568.html

>>108486328
Blacks on Alu without solder?
can't imagine a life like that

>>108488114
faggots
anyone who buys that over a Sebas or F1-60 is beyond saving

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and of course it's another gimped layerfag keyboard named after a troon

>>108488133
there are barebones boards that have stabilizers pre-installed and there are custom boards that don't and you need stabs and lube for those

gmk104 looks like it's barebones with pre-installed stabs so all you need is switches and keycaps

>>108488223
>nearly $300
also overpriced as fuck

>>108488114
rich people. you know there are people out there to whom $500 is literally nothing?

>>108488249
worth it
can't say the same for F1nn5ter60

Is there even any >100% MX switch keyboard bases out there? Or is the Brand New Model F122 the only keyboard like that on the market right now? Even something that would have F13-F24 keys would be nice for setting binds in software/games.

>>108488369
F122 is the most readily available battleship on the market
Otherwise I only really know about the Boston "120%" keyboard

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>>108488399
>Boston "120%" keyboard
>looks inside
>retarded layout in the name of saving two centimeters of space
>the same amount I'd get by moving a full-sized keyboard 2cm left
Yeah okay the F122 is still the only viable option since it doesn't suffer from this perpetual fucking brain tumor of a layout

>>108488420
It's an 1800 with some battleship additions, you work with what you've got

>>108488464
>1800
I genuinely despise the modern mechanical keyboard market. Anything but to offer a bog standard 100% ANSI, or a 100% ANSI with extra buttons.

Welp, time to find a job to pay off that F122 in full then.

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>>108488420
The Vortex Tab90 is still my favorite keyboard, I don't understand why people have this addiction to mutilating the home/end/page up/page down keys

>>108488494
>I don't understand why people have this addiction to mutilating the home/end/page up/page down keys
I don't know either. Maybe most people don't understand that there are many people that actually use those daily for navigation, and there's this neat little thing called "muscle memory" that in tandem with a standard ANSI layout leads to an efficient workflow.

Then someone decides to shift things around a little because they feel like it's "too ugly" or "too wasteful", or even worse, because they *think* it's "more efficient", only causing pain and suffering to anyone with decades worth of muscle memory training.
https://youtu.be/QcGtOsEUPgo
It's also why the only compact keyboards I tolerate are TKL keyboards, as these don't touch anything about the standard ANSI layout but ditching the numpad.

Keyboard manufacturers need to be dragged over burning coals until they understand how many people rely on this block of the keyboard being in the same standard as it was since the 80's, and that no, not everyone is so mush brained that it's okay to degrade the beauty of the ANSI keyboard down into the amount of keys you have on a vertical smartphone on-screen keyboard.

>>108488532
I don't mind layouts that experiment with rearranging things - to each his own - but I'm eternally baffled when someone chooses to offset the nav cluster and then only include 3 keys. Like, what am I supposed to do, only page down and never up? I can at least understand when they only include 2 keys, since the user can decide whether they want home/end -or- page up/down, but... an odd number? What compels such deviancy?

>>108488572
>I don't mind layouts that experiment with rearranging things
I mind them because they've essentially eradicated traditional layouts from the market. Everyone has to experiment, everyone has to "quirk things up", and I'm sick and fucking tired of it.

Going back to making 104-key ANSI bases with standard three status LED's would be great for example, and I'd consider it the same type of historical moment as Microsoft daring to admit in any capacity that Windows 11 is flawed and needs to be fixed, even if indirectly. If Microsoft was able to do this much, then keyboard manufacturers can go back to the drawing board and release something that's a 104-key with three status LED's. Like the Model M, or any standard office keyboard.

It's not that fucking hard, and the amount of people who go for WoB keycaps instead of all the "quirked up" artisan bullshit should be a sign that people had enough quirks and want a balance between new tech and old design conventions.

>>108488647
Keyboards have such a lower barrier to manufacturer entry than something like Windows, and the market is clearly able to support a diversity of designs - you even mentioned earlier that you know of at least one keyboard model that meets your criteria, but were hopeful there was a more reasonably priced alternative.

Personally, as long as the designer is making rational decisions when weighing competing design goals (ex. "more keys means less layering" vs. "less keys means reduced manufacturing cost and increased ergonomics/portability"), I think the only way for us to find out whether certain ideas work is to give it a shot. And people like me, who really love one esoteric design that no-one else has ever delivered, benefit from allowing that creativity. (I just don't understand why designers keep using 3-keys and the offset nav cluster... like, just go to either 2 keys or 4 keys, what the fuck are you doing.)

I see your point though that designers chasing fads and trends leaves people who just want "the thing that we already know works fine and that we're comfortable with" potentially without good/affordable options. I think it's just the reality of the market that not many people want 100%+ keyboards, and you're forced to pay a premium for niche features.

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>>108488693
I think the real issue is that I'm a 25 year old fossil, while the entire world has been consumed by smartphones. I still rely on a desktop PC. I still rely on Windows software. I still rely on utilizing a full-sized keyboard. This is what I grew up with, this is what I've engrained myself in, this is what I'm most efficient with.

To me, a keyboard is a crucial tool for human input, not an accessory. Meanwhile most people use smartphones where you lack most of the keys that you'd want to have at a computer. I use Unexpected Keyboard on my phone because it's much closer to a computer keyboard, but 99% of people use this, and it seems like all these custom mechanical keyboards try to drift as close to this as possible, which is why designers and manufacturers are so allergic to staying true to the decades old standard established by IBM.

>>108459107
>that mouse
absolute soul

>>108468374
I had one with red switches 5 or 6 years ago. never again. within the first week keypresses not registering already. awful hollow metal ding sound while typing on a solid wood desk. even a big mouse pad underneath didn't help. Lots of "miniscule" issues like that accumulated very quickly. hate that brand and keyboard ever since.
better build something yourself. more upfront cost but lasts far longer. if you need a change of scenery, you can always hotswap the switches or caps if you feel like it. chinaware like reddragon dont have that luxury, at least the one I had didn't. returned it ASAP.

why the FUCK are there so many switches nowadays
does every single fucking company really need their own switch?
10 years ago it was so simple. For gaming, get reds, for typing, get blues, for disappointment, get browns.
It's not even like these switches are big improvements either, they're the fucking same

>>108489599
Cherry's patents expired a few years ago, is the main reason.

>>108489604
I remember when that happened and the only switches on the market were still cherries and cherry clones
Simpler times...

>>108489604
yea but it's still stupid that there are a trillion switches
like how many fucking times can you reinvent a linear MX switch? How are any non-HE linear switches fundamentally different from cherry reds? It all just seems very stupid and unnecessary

sanding down the bumps on my tactile switches so they can feel smoother :)

>>108489599
it's still simple
get your Browns or Blacks
no one stopped making them
>>108489624
meds

bunch of weepy faggots crying over simpler times, IBM and Cherry monopoly
sheesh.

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>>108489728

I'm out of the loop
What are the best silent tactiles out on the market today?

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>>108490004
Lichicx silent, gateron gecko, and probably some others I'm forgetting. They have a harder bottom out than a typical silent linear so it doesn't feel as mushy, but still very quiet.

>>108490004
haimu whisper

>>108490004
1. Do you want them to be "as silent as possible", or "silent enough"?
2. Do you prefer an MX Brown-style tactile (light, middle of the keystroke) or a Holy Panda-style tactile (heavy, top of the keystroke)?

>>108490329
Silent enough is fine, doesn't need to be whisper quiet
I want a heavy bump, the switch I'm currently using are boba U4s and I like but them but I'm looking for something new

>>108490341
I would wait and see whether Wingtree produces a silent tactile (they did one already but it was a light tactile and it sold out). I think Lichicx had the best thing going for that style of switch (I have some of their silent big bump tactiles) and Wingtree took over production of Lichicx switches (bought the patents etc) when Lichicx called it quits.

As for what's out there now that you could buy today, I don't know. TTC Silent Bluish Whites sound pretty similar to Lichicx, although they're not particularly new (2023ish). I have a regular Bluish White (just one switch lol, came in a tester pack) which is silenced on bottom-out only (the "silents" are silenced on both ends) and it's not a bad bottom-out. The tactility is very similar to the lichicx big bump tactile. Not a bad substitute

I'm about to buy Gateron Type-R's
they're in the cart
talk me out of it

>>108490417
I think they've sounded bad in every typing test I've ever heard them in

>>108490438
I thought they sounded good
you aren't convincing

>>108490467
You think this sounds good?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJNwXN3-pZc

>>108490473
Sounds like basically every linear ever

>>108488369
Corsair Vengeance K95 had 18 macro keys and multimedia buttons

>>108488133
Your choice of keycaps and switches

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Wish this was a barebones

>>108490511
Put millmax hotswap sockets in it and it could be

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>brand original name store listing for gmk108 for 200 pln that I was browsing hours ago suddenly disappears from my cart and history on ali
WTF???

>>108490476
it sounds like forgettable shit linears like HMX and SP-Star
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XlOThZdGGU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Wnu2ImhUEo
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/QIOFMhHHAGY

not like good linears
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQyXONuKdUg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-jLFl_51D4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUzRRc9qeXg

and this is what a top-tier tactile sounds like:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3K4Bmw4e94

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>>108490538
Maybe I forgot to update the mobile app or something otherwise I feel trolled

>>108490417
just buy a 10 switch pack
how fucking fucked are you anons
just buy a small little pack it won't set you back at all
>>108490473
tactiles on alu don't always sound great
put that switch on a POM/PP plate with PBT caps and it will work
shit tier argument

>>108490560
I admire the dedication to the bit for a posting gimmick that's already played out the second time it's done

>>108490560
>MX Gays all around
cooope

>>108490576
Post video proof that the Type Rs have ever sounded good on anything.

>>108490576
>just buy a 10 switch pack
no
I don't like buying products knowing I'm just going to throw them out after testing them. I'd rather just buy enough switches once for a full board instead of ordering and paying for shipping multiple times

this hobby trooned me out

>>108490634
sample the whole lot first
then buy enough for a full board
ships twice, you cry once and then you're set forever

>>108491291
or just buy a sampler instead

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>Post video proof that the Type Rs have ever sounded good on anything.

I don't use a switch unless it makes my foamed up piece of shit sound like a Stradivarius

no I don't type either
I just mald over my keyboard's inability to play Symphony No. 9

keyboards should be seen, not heard

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oh my god
is that a basic bitch college project tier engraving?
quick, take all my money!

>>108491883
What kind of college do you go to where you do engraving/CNC?

>>108491291
fair point but every fucking switch is sold by a different vendor so you end up paying way too much for shipping between sites

Can you really trust shop 6969420 on Aliexpress to sell you shit if hundreds are buying that listing yet few photo reviews?

>>108486814
convenient volume control, and as that anon said it's basically three keys in one. if you have via you can program it to do whatever you want and it's basically six keys in one. also knobs look really nice on 65% and 75% keyboards

In theory a knob with some custom software could function like a rotary combination safe for a login password.