>use claude for work>it's during peak hours>two prompts>"sorry boss, can't work anymore"This is the subsidized pricing and usage btw, get ready for the real world soon when VC money dries up.
>>108461715The API isn't changing prices, API makes them money. It's precisely the subsidized claude code that loses them money
>>108461730>API makes them money>actually only burns money slower
i was worried that AI would prevent me from getting a programming job, but now i am whitepilled
>>108461745People are running open models like K2.5 and GLM-5 at a profit for much less money.Doubt Opus 4.6 is much harder to run.They are making money off of the API for sure. Subscription is only subsidized if you compare it to the API prices. But in the end you are renting shared access to servers, and you are not really buying tokens when you subscribe.So to satisfy an API you always need to overprovision and that overprovisioned resources are for the subscribers.
>>108463222>at a profitAre the upfront costs in there, or are they conveniently ignored?
it's the same tactic that drug dealers use, they get you dependent then they up the price
>>108462048Don’t get too cocky codefag. AI is improving and they are finding ways to use them without large amounts of memory.
>>108463263If a model can create a positive flow of money that means you have a steady return of investment.
>>108463276Yeah, unless the hardware burns out - which is what these models tend to do - and it becomes useless before it's generated its ROI. So, again: are the upfront costs conveniently ignored?
>>108461715or just scrape sources from github?
>>108462048The only reason this is happening is because they are suffering from success. Unfortunately this looks really good for VCs imo.
>>108463396>unfortunatelyI'm good.
>>108463286this thing could potentially generate the equation to turn lead into gold WHAT DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND
>>108463428It couldn't even distinguish the Strait of Hormuz from the Suez Canal. Chances are it's just going to give us cancer.
>>108463448>no machine is gunna replace muh black manmachines replaced the black man. ai will replace the black man as well.
>>108463467>comparing apples and orangesOK
>>108463480its not apples and oranges. its the same luddites who seethe at new technologies, thinking they are stupid, and always being wrong then get mad when their shitty job was replaced. ai, will never be stopped. ai will continue to improve. you are no different than the people who seethed at the industrial revolution and thought machines would never take their yobs. they took their yobs. and they will always take your yobs.
>>108463517>>108463448
>>108463523see>>108463467
>>108463536>>108463448
>>108461715We need to abolish the 9-5 workday and allocate and distribute "awake times" to humans evenly. That way we don't have to worry about sever overload during peak hours. Your neighbor might be awake from 7am to 11pm, but you will only be allowed to be awake from 1pm to 5am.
>>108463727That's a good way to start a civil war.
>>108463467>>108463517your computer is a machine, you don't manually write code on a piece of paper and then translate it manually into a binary. glorified autocomplete with 20% error rate is not a sentient machine that writes code for you
>>108461715>the entire field of programming is fundamentally shifting their way of work to depend on a company's product that gets bottlenecked during the most precious hourswew lad
>>108463263yes, retard, inference providers are serving SOTA models like Kimi for 1/10th the price of Claude. yes, even accounting for the price of the hardware.
>>108464189>source: my assAGI in two more weeks lads.
>you'll move through time faster to meet our limitsthis is like when they speed up TV shows to fit in more commercial breaks lol
>>108464202You can do the math yourself. Assuming 100% utilization at Openrouter prices you can break even on the cost of the hardware necessary to serve the models in about 2 years.
>>108461715its crazy how much money they spent not to advance the state of the art but to replace workers. I am not talking about claude and co. but people using the service.
Every person in the world who relies on AI to code is a retard that shouldn't be coding in the first place
>>108461715damn, it was fun while it lasted, but zion don's gutting of the global economy means soon they won't be able to offer cheap ai, just like how youtube used to be free or netflix didn't include ads. its all uphill for hill
>>108464214>do my jobNo.
>>108464400I didn't know I was getting paid to educate you.
>>108464473Now you know, so get to it, or admit the concession.
>>108461715this will keep getting worse and worse, local hosting is the only path forward
>>108461715How COULD this happen, arbitrary percentage-based surge pricing quota limit bros?https://x.com/weswinder/status/2037281693556462025
>>108464479I'll wait till the transfer clears
>>108463276after depreciation i.e. incorporating upfront costs
>>108464918no point arguing with these retards anonjust let them put you at ease by letting you know all llm supporters are completely hopeless retards
>>108463276>If a model can create a positive flow of money that means you have a steady return of investment.How much does new model training and research cost you? If your competitor makes a better model your users are going to switch. I have my doubts that people are actually recouping their total investment costs within the lifetime of their models.
>>108461715I save my company money by not waking up before noon
>>108463480>orangesOrangutans
>>108461715but AI was meant to work 24/7
>>108461715I wonder what is the real price of these models for them to make profit, it's way too cheap as it is today
>>108465132And before a retard runs to you to say "tokens now cost less"1 or "hurr durr it's the worst it'll ever be"2,1. first tokens have lower prices doesn't mean they cost the company less, the newer models and tools around them all use way more tokens than older ones so any cost reduction is completely nullified and they just keep getting more expensive.2. the humble model collapse appears.
>>108463727You're a Silicon Valley creature, aren't you?
>>108465232meanwhile irl 5.3 codex matched 5.2 codex with a 40% reduction in tokens used, and the gains we've seen recently have come from models training on data models are gneratingmaybe you just don't know what you're talking about, man.
I member when API was the way to go because you weren't going to chat all the time anywaySub has been better since Code, since it actually makes a lot more callsNow what though
>>108465448>gaslights you with random numbers
>>108463396>everyone pulling out because none of the benchmarks or promises have been met is "suffering from success"
>>108461715lol lmaoimagine not being able to do your job because you can't use the slot machine anymorengmi
>>108461715Well obviously you're getting put onto a night shift, outside of peak hours...
>>108463222Delusional. It's never making a dime and it's collapsing as we speak.
>there are an army of worthless retards who can't work without their AI garbage Just kill all computer scientists.
SKYNET lost :-(
Everyone’s talking about the price of the hardware and return on investment. What happens when your competitor upgrades before you’ve gotten a return on the hardware you purchased? Do you sit back and let them gain the lead or do you purchase another 2 years worth of wafers?
This is gonna fuck over a lot of non data center companies that produce literally anything that is electronic, which is most things these days.Only hope is that wafer production can be scaled up to meet the demand, which will take years.
Good. Fuck ai people, cept me because I'm smart.
>>108466495there are no ai "people"sloppers aren't sentient
>>108461715If you're using claude for work your company should be paying for the API, not a sub.
