>2026>live in city>still no fiber internetDoes this happen to you to?
Let me guess, the cable cabal's got your government by the horns, huh?
I live in BFE Idaho and I have fiber. Why on earth would anybody accept all of the downsides of citycucking and not even get decent internet out of it?
>>108463903Most ISPs will never install newer infrastructure, even when the government gives them money to do it. Investors pocket it, and hardware only gets replaced in a catastrophic failure. All that bullshit about introducing high speed internet everywhere is a lie. If you live next to a hospital, clinic, school, or college then you're probably in that 1% locality where your access improves because taxes or businesses are paying a bill large enough to cover more than the cost of maintenance/isp labor.
>>108463903No, I live in the countryside in my own house and have had fiber for like 12 years. Paying 42€/mo for 1Gbps. FttH got installed when they updated power lines undergrown, was a free upgrade.
>>108463903Even small towns here have fiber...
>>108463903A lot of older apartments dont get fiber because its too costly to install. GOod luck getting your landlord to foot the bill.
>>108463903I've had fibre for about 15 years
>>108463903I live in the middle of nowhere and I have fiber. Have you tried living in the middle of nowhere?
>>108463903common city slicker L
>>108463987>your landlord?is this a US thing?
>>108463987Here the ISP deals with that. You subscribe to their network, they put the fiber into your apartment.
>>108464069Most US cities are nightmare of permits and construction. Combined with a lot of older apartments that were build pre-1970, there is little incentive among ISPs to upgrade infrastructure. So basically, you have to get the building's owner to do all the heavy lifting and taken on a financial burden. Dont really know how it works elsewhere, but yea it doesnt happen unless its a brand new, $4000/month apartment complex. Complex that usually hover around 50% vacancy
I live in a conurbation classed as an industrial area. It's not a city but it's classed as a town. In this area we have heavy chemical & steal plants, as well as two ports, a nuclear power plant and an Air Force base. I have a 2.4gbs fibre connection at home. It doesn't matter if you live in a city, it matters if you live in an industrialised area.
>>108464105Oh, and I pay the equivalent of $37 a month for an unlimited 2.4gbs connection.
I had fiber installed last year and I don't notice any difference at all. Sure I can go up to 1Gbit now but that's expensive as hell and I don't need it. Hello don't even need 50 Mbit. Just give me enough to comfortably stream 1080p
>>108464153>fiber>can only go up to 1GbpsNot even 5Gbps?
I live in a rural area in the Philippines. I am surrounded by rice fields. They installed fiber internet here before we had running water.
>>108464155No. I'm sure it's technically possible but all ISPs are selling 1 Gbit as the premium option for like 90€ a month.
>>108463903American or Australian, yeah?At this point the whole third world will have fiber before you guys.
>>108464199At least the US has some hope of symmetrical gigabit over coax using docsis. Spectrum already has that in their markets. Aussies are just hopeless.
nope, got fibre last yearxgs pon too, up to 10gbit
>>108464192what shithole? youre putting the euro sign after the amount so it has to be a major onehere youre getting 8 gbit for €50
Regional Australia here with 3,000 people in my town. Had fibre for 13 years.
It's pointless having a fast connection if your network infrastructure is shit tier. Cat 8 Ethernet cables and a WiFi 7 mesh network are needed as well as the knowledge to change the router and your device settings to take advantage of the higher speeds. It's like mating a 5090 card with a 1080p monitor.
>>108464302based abbos
>>108463903I live in the country side, literally in the middle of a farm road between two villages and I have gigabit fiber.Maybe stop living in a 3rd world country.
>>108463976>hardware only gets replaced in a catastrophic failurePurely hypothetically, how would one go about causing such a catastrophic failure, for educational purposes, in minecraft?
>>108464340you have no idea what youre talking about
I had gigabit fiber but it was so unstable (had months of intermittent downtime due to an SFP module failing at a Fiber Access Terminal across the street) that I had to switch back to gigabit cable. I'll just cope with the lower upstream. So yeah I have fiber but ultimately, lost at life.
>>108464250>youre putting the euro sign after the amount so it has to be a major oneWdym?
>>108463976Almost the entire country has gotten fiber over the past couple of years, without gubberment grants or whatever the fuck. The ISPs here see it as a long-term investment.
>>108464418Nah no abbos here cunt. The whole NBN rollout is the most retarded thing I've seen in my life. This country is fucked... Just look at it right now...
>>108464478pretty much all white countries put the currency symbol BEFORE the amount instead of after it
lmao I had fiber around 2005 in 20k town in eastern Polandfeels good to have the best internet infrastructure in the worldvery ironic because it's completely against the stereotype of eastern poland being medieval shithole of yurop, we had better web infrastructure than warsaw lmaoI fucking love being White & Catholic
>>108464511>no abbos herewhere pls
>>108463903Yes, used to have it and they removed it too. I have come to the conclusion that nothing comes close to fiber in terms of connection quality, don't let marketing scammers fool you on this.
moar liek fibre sloptic, amirite?
>>108464868LULZ sloptix? Xdmaoing rolfcoptering
>>108463903I may have high taxes, high crime, and high prices but at least I get fiber and it's cheap. Verizon will never be as based as they were in '07.
>>108464199all aussie cities have fiber now that conservative right wing losers no longer run the country.
>>108463903We have cable for years now but my family insists on sticking to Orange's 4G LTE family plan.
>>108465019take your meds tranny you lost
>>108463903I just switched from Sky Broadband 500Mb at £29 to Virgin Media 1.1Gb at £25.99The bitch of it is the annual increase from Sky this year would have me pay £32 while VM increases to £29.99 next year. It's a no-brainer.
>>108464489Same. Idk what anon is talking about must live in a shithole like new jersey.
>>108463903>fiber internet
>>108464489There have been two massive fiber grants. I work for a telco serving msp and one of the companies we contract to is just a private equity that bought small rural telcos to receive the grants, build the infrastructure out, and then sell the companies off.
>>108464094Also good luck if you're renting in one of those "historical neighborhoods" and the ISP guy says he needs to cut through your walls.
>>108464233Yeah but Spectrum is expensive for what you get (because of course they run the cable monopoly in the area). I keep getting door to door sellers begging me to get Fiber. Its like $30 for 1Gbit compared to my current $80 300Mbit Spectrum.
>>108464489I guess if you ignore every city/suburb under 100k population.I can still drive 15min away and find DSL as the only option for cabled internet.
>>108464340>>108464429He's kinda right. When I moved and had to get a new ISP i didn't want rent their hardware because now cable companies do the shit where they will allow other users to piggyback your connection so customers get more coverage. I set up my device, got charged to install my own device, and then didn't know why the fuck I wasn't getting my top speeds. Turns out the cable I was using couldnt reach those speeds I was paying for. And I don't think many other people even know that some modem/router combos cannot hit Gbit speeds because they're trying to save money on a cheaper unit.
>>108464489Most of the Midwest is rural and the internet companies have zero interest in laying lines.
>>108466074They do per market pricing so if those fiber guys really put the squeeze on them they will start to cave
>>108465630Yeah but what about the year after that? I was about to get Fiber but I wasn't given a written contract while these guys were ready to dig up my yard. $30/mo for the first 12 months. Then $40 for the next 12. Ok, but they don't tell me what's the price after that. And rates go up. Worst of all is that with some fiber companies, if they installed the line you cannot cancel your service and have another fiber company give you service. They have a 10 year contract that they own those lines so you have to go back to cable it satellite.
>>108466102Do you think I could call Spectrum and be like "hey, these guys want to get me on fiber for $30 a month. Can you guys match that?". I know when I had Comcast in another state there was a loyalty number you could call and I could renew my old contract every single year for the same low price.
>>108463903I live in a town of 600 people and our rural telco has been completely fiber to the home for 16 years. This is despite the fact that they still offered dial-up (over fiber) until 2022.
>>108466096My job is laying fiber in the rural Midwest for ISPs. The work is happening and my employer is fully booked out on jobs for the next three years. Some of the areas I'm working are still on dial-up.
>>108466089even cat5e can push 10 gbit under 45m, its rarely the cable
>>108466128>I'm working are still on dial-upYeah isn't that crazy? I worked at a shop that actually was profitable because it was right on a big highway road for 3 different states and we would get a lot of those country guys coming in to buy DVDs or books.
>>108464536pretty sure only english speaking country do that and most of them aren't whitealso why would you put it before if you pronounce it after?
>>108463903I'm a suburb cuck and I have FTTH
>>108466108>Yeah but what about the year after that?Then I'll just cancel if they decide to inflate the price and move on to the next ISP, as I just did.ISPs in america genuinely terrify me.Sounds like in your situation you're screwed no matter what. At least find a contract you can opt out of after a year or so, not 10 freaking years. That would be akin to slavery in most places.
>>108466143I dunno what I can say, bud. I bought it a long time ago when I needed a 20 foot cable because my wifi was suffering from there being like 40 different wifi signals in the area.
>>108466114If you have current service yes but it may be a temporary thing with them that you need to renegotiate later. It's not really a customer loyalty line but a department you get transferred to if you threaten to cancel. If every 1-2 years you need to call back to bust their balls again that $30 fiber might really seem worth it. But at least if you do that now that puts off the hassle.
My local phone company dug up my yard, ripped out the copper, installed fiber, and left FOUR YEARS AGO. They STILL will not sell me fiber internet. My neighbors 200 feet away (different street address, same neighborhood) can sign up today. Thanks for reminding me about how angry this makes me, OP.
lollmao evenI can get 900 mbps fiber for ~25 american pesosin ~1000 ppl townoh wait, I've checked another ISP, there is ~ 17,50 for 1000 mbps
>>108466173one of the twisted pairs mightve been broken, that would limit you to 100baset
>>108466205You might be right. I think I remember somebody placing a chair leg on the cable at some point. I tossed it out a few years ago.
>>108466150>we would get a lot of those country guys coming in to buy DVDs or books.Based. Probably unvaxxed too
>>108466177Just get starlink and a redundant tmobile lte router
>>108464153It's crazy to think that the bottle neck these days isn't our Internet pipes but the consumer grade hardware routers we have. I had to upgrade a lot of stuff within my house to make sure every device was getting a decent speed. WiFi is always shit and if you want decent speed it's wired or bust. I had to settle on Moca which is better than nothing. Heck I ended up getting a nano pi r4s because it can handle 1gbps packet shaping. Anything higher than that you need to get an x86 mini pc to do that type of work. Check your router hardware that might be the bottle neck. WiFi of course is always shit so if you can't wire it, you might just be better off paying less since you'll never get the advertised speed.
>>108466644But for what? My $200 stinkpad already downloads 300mbps on 802.11ax with nothing. I don't even have mimo on. Are you trying to do file transfers from a nas and even then who cares when it's going to have sata speeds on wifi 6 with mimo actually on anyway.
Live in Denmark, got fiber and its 61.51 USD for 1000/1000 Mbit/s .
>>108466535I have cable internet already. I want access to the fiber that they decided to dig up my yard and install four years ago.
>new apartment complex has fiber>had more issues with it than I ever did in years of using coax>doesn't seem any faster than coax
>Live in third world shithole>Have fiber for cheap
>>108466143Agreed, it's mostly the routers (which are shit) and WiFi. Any congestion in the spectrum impedes it.Had a boss who was bragging about how he shelled out for 5gbps internet and then got pissy at me when I asked him if his home network could handle it. When he told me what router he was using I said that he was bottle necked by it. Dipshít was living in a townhome too so surrounded by other wifi networks clearly ensuring his shitty wifi 5 router was getting roughly 200mbps. He thought it was faster. I told him run a cable if you want to get the full speed.
>>108466644At the time I had been using the same shitty unifi router that was honestly way too old. It sadly became a bottle neck. Home had Ethernet 5e which was more than sufficient but for packet shaping above a certain speed I needed upgrade. The nano pi was like 60$ and I just bought a bunch of cheap ass tp link archer c7s But I agree with you, the speed over WiFi is sufficient. If I want the speed I pay for I connect over Ethernet which thankfully my house has. All of my streaming boxes and anything that matters is cabled.
>>108466661Sorry meant to reply >>108466805To >>108466786
>>108463903No. I have a monthly upload of about 50TB.
>>108465947There's less motivation for ISPs to improve their infrastructure when normal people settle for mobile data on their phone plan. They aren't going to pay $10,000+ to bury a utility pole in the middle of nowhere, if there's only one household paying $100 a month for service. The debt from setting up would take years to cover, if they operate a monopoly they can use revenue from other areas to improve it in rural areas but there's no reason to. Costs being 100x what you get in returns, not to mention that rural areas are opposing construction of data centers. The justification for more broadband out in the sticks becomes void, unless big data companies buy Billy Boomer Ranch and Gertie's farm. Old people out there don't want the noise or increased utility bills. They really don't need high speed internet when all they do is make phone calls, and send messages on whatsapp/facebook, most of them don't even write emails, they don't need fiber for those services as their bandwidth requirement is relatively low.
>>108466948>not to mention that rural areas are opposing construction of data centersThat's a fucking leap broIf a datacenter is being constructed those are going to be using dedicated engineered links, not the local ISPLots of rural people want decent internet, it's not uncommon to see people's who's only objection to living outside a city is decent internet.Starlink for how expensive it is has had zero trouble amassing subscribers.
>>108466019>NOOOO REMEMBER ZHE KRESSE WE CANT HAVE GLASFASER JUST USE ZHE KABEL JAAA ES IST NICHT ÜBERBUCHT JAAAAI hate this boomerized shithole so much
I've had fiber since ~2008 or so.
>>108466810You have an upload cap? WTF hahahahah
>>108467112Not him, but my ISP has a "soft" datacap, basically if you use a lot of data they inspect your traffic for a few months and determine if you're doing something that would require you to pay for a business-class service plan (mainly hosting services you're selling). But if they inspect your traffic and determine it's just valid internet use, they allow it with no caps.
>>108466978Datacenters attract ISPs to stagnant areas if they move in, big tech has people lobbying for those government grants to make rural internet accessible, so they avoid the initial installation costs of poles/cables,hardware/power/labor. Everyone ought to know by now that companies will shill for things like the chips act or isp grants when it means construction at the cost of taxpayers. ISPs and utility contractors bid/throw themselves at a company if they announce a datacenter is coming.
>>108466061If I wanted fiber here. I'd have to pay for the install. No big deal right? Except I'd have to pay for the entire neighborhood's install. They wont just run one line here to my house. Too costly for one customer.
>>108467196Makes sense, 90% of the cost is getting it to the neighborhood.It could probably be affordable if you got 50-70% of the houses to agree to chip in, but without that you're fucked.
>2026>live in a small town>still no free DSL connectionsliterally have to do everything with a 4g router
I live on the main street of a town of ~10,000. We have exactly one option for gigabit internet over cable, no fiber. I can pull maybe 300/50 on a good day and every single other ISP that I could get have sub 100 download speeds. Where I used to live in the suburbs, we had fiber for over 10 years!
>>108464250Germany. It's digital hell
>>108464094>>108466061>>108467196It's the same way in Germany. New shit almost always gets FTTH or at least FTTB. Problem is we build waaay fewer houses (single and multi family) than we'd need so this makes no difference in the grand scheme of things. Any pre-existing houses are fucked unless they:>already have existing AND empty available cable routes>there is no pre-existing cable or DSL internetThis last one is the worst one. If you rent and your place has cable you'll more likely than not never see FTTH/B available because if you have cable internet available say goodbye to any federal or local funding unless you are exceptionally lucky and our ISPs don't hook up anything unless its massively tax payer funded. Oh and DOCSIS is exceedingly common because our politicians in their infinite wisdom decided DOCSIS is the future 40 fucking years ago and we don't change decision in Germany.So you either have FTTH or you're stuck in a perpetual state of>hurr durr no one needs more than 50Mbits/15Mbits DSL>hurr durr you have DOCSIS just ignore that every weekend and evening it is completely unusable because the local node is overbooked by 300% of its capacity but no funding because DOCSIS XDDDEven if you don't have either DSL or DOCSIS access good luck convincing the property owner to let some third rate twice over subcontracted middle eastern shitsquad tear up their internal and external walls.Things are so fucking bad my parents live right downtown in a smaller city and they are up for federal AND local funding but because the neighbourhood is 95% retires or boomers close to retirement they can't even reach the minimum 20% sign up rate for any ISP to accept the contract. Yes only 20% of all houses (not households) need to say yes we'll do it for the entire city (essentially) to get FTTH or FTTC with the option to later connect to the fibre network and they can't even get the minimum rate they already lowered three times in five years.
>>108465069Aussie conservatives killed the national fibre rollout the second they won the election last time. Extremely favourable coverage they got during the voting cycle was partly due to telcos (who also own the cable news and newspapers there) wanting to kill the fibre rollout. And, the boomers fell for it.
>>108467332And there's also just incompetence that has long reached past criminal negligence and is bordering on Landesverrat making everything infinitely worse.When I moved to my current place I had access to DOCSIS that was technically capable of reaching 1.5GBps download speeds (and 25Mbits up) but it was down regularly and if it wasn't down often had ping spikes and packet loss. How often? ~40% of the time I measured it according to my opnsense box at the time.I was unbelievably lucky (or so I thought) when we got hooked up to 250/50 DSL. Fast forward three years and 5 meters away from me there are THREE (3) fibre optic lines running through the street serviced by five different ISPs (two dedicated lines and one shared). My landlord refuses to hook us up to any of them, why? Not because of the DSL, not even because of the existence of the dogshit DOCSIS line, we also have existing empty cable routes and even hooking up the house would be no problem because the outside/inside tunnel already exists so what's the problem? They have a contract with the operator of the DOCSIS line which also owns one of the dedicated fibre lines right outside but not all properties they own have access to FTTH so they don't want to change the contract.Even when all the stars in the universe line up this country still manages to shit the bed. Oh and btw my parents live in a ~800k residents city. I live in a third rate ~30k total residents "town". They barely have internet access, I theoretically could have access to 10G (via a business contract) if my landlord wasn't terminally retarded.This country and perhaps all of Europe is doomed solely because of boomer lethargy and incompetence.
If you live in Ontario or Quebec in non-rural area (i.e. ineligible for government fibre gibs) and you don't already have fibre, you're not going to get fibre for a long, long time. The incumbent Bell Canada threw a fit and stopped FTTH rollout because the federal government told them they have to allow access to the fibre lines at 85% of the retail price (this wouldn't let the competitor undercut Bell but would allow them to sell at almost the same price - this was done to prevent Bell from gaining advantage by bundling fibre internet with wireless phones and TV).Bell's FTTH footprint is really weird outside of Toronto because they prioritized cities served by Cogeco, the smallest of the national cable companies, to drain Cogeco's finances (they'd have to upgrade to DOCSIS 4.0 to match the speed) and delay Cogeco's entry into the wireless market. The result is that Bell has near 100% coverage in declining towns full of old peole like Bellville but less than 10% coverage in cities full of tech workers like Waterloo.The only exception from this menace is London and Kitchener where Telus is rolling out FTTH in the Bell telephone territory to fuck with Bell.
>>108466786wifi as a technology itself is fine, even if the area is congestedthe problem comes from faulty or outdated hardware/firmware, almost always when using isp hardwareother than generally shipping bargain bin hardware, they love making the firmware underprovision wifi to cope with congestiondont forget the virtual access point for that "xfinitiwifi" slicing your already limited bandwidth in half!
>>108467112No. I mean I upload 50TB every month.
>>1084639031.6Gbps symmetric FTTP @ £20 a month. No data limit. I live in the middle of no where so I have no idea how much it cost to get fibre to my property, probably tens of thousands.
>>108467582>FTTPFibre To The Penis?
>>108463903I live in venezuela and I have 200mb fiber internet.Are you living in some congo village or something?
>>108464429I'm pretty sure I do. Yeah, cat 8 may be overkill but tell that to the router that derated speeds because of a shitty old ethernet cable. The router also wanted to connect my Fold 7 and PC to the Cat 6 2G network, ignoring the fact that they're capable of using the Cat 7 5G wifi network the router is capable of. Messing around with the settings get me a decent speed over wifi but I'm planning to run Cat 8 cabling direct to my PC.
>>108467961Retard, i'm using CAT5e over ~40-50 meters through 2 different network switches
>>108468003There's no need for the retard comment, soft cunt.
>>108468104> you have no idea what youre talking about> I'm pretty sure I do.CAT8 isn't even an actual in-use standard, it's a paper spec, there has never been a CAT8 network card and there likely never will be.Sorry, but you ARE retarded if you're gonna be that confident in your own ignorance.
>>108463903the only fiber in my major city is to the offices downtownI'm stuck with DSL or Cable from comcastI went with Comcast, because the prices and speeds were better, however..>get gateway>connect it>won't connect>spend hours on the phone with support>some fucking asshole indian that's just milking the time and not actually doing anything>get fed up, tell them you want to cancel>they make up some excuse>"I'm cancelling my service and it's a direct result of your inability to assist me">end callthen they blew up my phone with like 20 messages/codesfuck these jeets
>tfw 700mb download/ 40mb upload
>>108466948That's why the government has been subsidizing them for decades
>>108466644>>108466805traffic shaping is only meaningful when the connection is actually saturated. This is a problem 99% of home connections will never have 99% of the time. For normal use any isp shitbox can use dedicated asic blocks to route at 10gbps.
>>108464340fun fact: there are no cat8 "RJ45" plugs to terminate cat8 cables with, you're supposed to use a different incompatible plug
>>108463903use case for fiber internet?>>108464340>he doesn't know
I got fiber internet last year, and I hope that all of my bros without it get it soon.
>>108463903I live in the swiss mountains in a tiny town with less than 1000 inhabitant and i have fiber, sounds like a third world issue.
>>108468248lol DOCSISlet
>>108467961genuinely sick in the head
My country rolled out fiber 10 years ago and in that time they also increased bandwidth 16x for only a minor increase in feesThis sounds great until 6pm hits, every normie hops onto youtube/fagbook/whatever and I am reminded of why it's cheap.
>>108466151>also why would you put it before if you pronounce it after?Same reason they display dates in the wrong order. Arbitrary retarded rollercoaster.
>>108468663They invested in PON but not backhaul?
>>108463903No, I live in the country and even I have fiber for the past several years now.
>>108463980>Paying 42€/mo for 1Gbpsin what country? in kikekraine i have gpon 1gbps for 7eur and 10gbps for 19.
>>108467603Fiber To The Parents' house.
>>108468699It's a combination of oversubscribing and insufficient international bandwidth
>>108464340>It's like mating a 5090 card with a 1080p monitor.If you use maximum ray tracing, you are lucky enough to get 60fps on a 1080p monitor.
>>108463903i live in the suburbs and have a 2.5gbps fiber connection. seethe, citytard.
>>108468749>i live in the suburbsbut I have 10Gbps for 19€/mIn the city it actually even cheaper
>>108466721>Live in Denmark>got fiber and its 61.51 USD for 1000/1000 Mbit/sfucking hell how da fuck set that prices? jews?
>>108468721Do local CDNs not exist?
i'll never get fiber. the cable company has a monopoly and that's thatguess we'll see how far they can take docsis
Got starlink, getting ~400 Mbps. Pure private company building out their own infrastructure that gov excluded them from being eligible for funding. Out in the outskits of city, its faster than my shitty cable and dsl
I have gig on coax is fiber even worth hoping for
>>108468932Fees and costs?
You must live in Europe. Even middle of nowhere US has fiber.
>>108468984Wrongt. middle of nowhere, US
>>108468962Depends on region to region. In some areas, they are giving away the dish and charging ~30/m. In others, they are charging 120/m. You can get dish for cheap sometimes with various offers, and retail MSRP defaulting to ~$350.It all depends on whether your regional local zip code/county has enough open space.
fiber sloptics
>fiber optic cableBig money in that shit.
>1 Gb/s down>10 Mb/s upWhy do they do it?
>>108468893Maybe they're all based and seed private trackers
I have 1000/750 Mbit/s fibre and I want more.
>>108468717Good for you anon but anything related to living in ukraine isn't a flex kek.Here in spain it is also around the mid 40s for 1gbit aside from a couple companies that are cheaper but an absolute pain to deal with if it ever stops working correctly, so maybe the anon is from here.
>>108468776It could be worseIt could be Germany kek
>>108468984The usa generally has worse and more expensive internet than europe since the isps are monopolies in most states.
>>108463903I live in a suburb and I got fiber, whoever that pains me is that the ISP availability is ass.Claro is the only ISP in my area with reliable internet (there are only 2 more besides them and they have reliability issues). The issue is that they place me on the fucking cuck chair while I see my fucking router get manhandled by technicians.They don't let me directly connect to my router to handle it's configurations, I can't enable or disable ports as I'd like to and they won't give me any single way of maintaining any sort of static IP or anything that can work in a similar way, else I must pay for the "corporate plan" which they never publically reveal the prices of, also price gouging is awful and the only way of keeping them tame is by threatening them to leaving and replacing them with another ISP, which you can't pull off with "le magical and unique corporate internet plan" with your coveted static IP.I have fiber but it's at the expense of being sat in the fucking cuck chair because there is no real alternative to this shit.
(I'm >>108469279)actually just to explain it better, literally every single fucking interaction with my router that is not physically connecting or disconnecting stuff to it needs to be mediated through a phone call to Claro Telmex
>>108469279You could use selective traffic routing to and from VPN using something like Tailscale or ZeroTier, but the speed would likely be much slower than whatever your max upload is.
>>108468717>in what country?Not gonna dox myself.>in kikekraine i have gpon 1gbps for 7eur and 10gbps for 19.No wonder, even pre-war Ukraine fags used to come here to work since the pay is 10x better for low tier manual labor jobs.
>>108463903Where the fuck do you live? I have fiber in the middle of fucking nowhere Mississippi. The local power cooperative has put fiber with every pole.
>>108464105>heavy chemical & steal plantsRIP. You're virtually guaranteed to ack of cancer before the age of 60.
>>108463903nigger, i live in fucking bosnia and have optic topkek
>>108463903my family and I have been offered by 2 companies but refuse as they are charging too much. I do think they are installing it near our house though cause there has been a ton of construction where they had to tear up the street and re-pave
No because I live in a first world country, not the jewnited states of cuckmerica
That's the thing, I see. Google fiber everywhere being installed. Just not my neighborhood. Assholes.
>>108470006For what it's worth, Google sold GFiber to a private equity, and it will get very shitty very soon for people who do have GFiber.
>>108468984I had internet speeds as low as pic related with comcast until my local power company installed fiber a few years ago, thank god
>>108463987>>108464094This is the issue I have, basically the retards who handle this stuff at my building made agreements with ISPs that don't offer fiber(or got bribed), if I lived in a dilapidated shack on the exact same location I'd be able to get fiber.
>>108467352How?
>>108463903where the fuck do you live anon, i live in 3rd world country of bumfuck shitter and i have like 5 different fiber internet brand
>>108469498No shit! When I was a lad, Asbestos from the British Steel used to drop out of the sky like rain, collecting on the outside windows and sills. We used to brush it away like snow with our hands.>>108468140If you had the choice between a cat 8 or cat 5e cable at the same price and length, which one would you buy? So you wouldn't future proof?
>>108469290I know the internet in Spain is like this too, didn't realise it applied to all of Spain's retarded new world rapebabies too, jejejejeje
>>108471409>So you wouldn't future proof?If you want to future proof, install fiber.CAT8 isn't future proofed because it DOESN'T EXIST AS A REAL STANDARD.No one has EVER made a CAT8 network card, and no one likely ever will.
>>108468729>Playing above 1080pLol. LMAO. A beefy card is for playing games on ultra without a stutter, not to hit 4k 120hz on an unoptimized Unreal Shit Engine slop.>>108468962I have an uncle who basically lives in the wilderness area of the state and satellite wouldn't work there and the Internet conpanies refuse to lay lines. So I got him Starlink and I'm paying like $40 a month, got the dish for free, we we had to set it up ourselves because getting someone to install it would have taken a month. It doesn't even have to be mounted, it has a leg stand so you can keep it on the ground. You just need a good angle towards the sky.
>>108471847So what difference does it make? It costs the same and it offers a higher bandwidth; why not buy the cat 8 over the 5e? How do you know no one will make a cat 8 card? Instead of trying to be a clever cunt, why not answer the fucking question instead of posting statements based on your own hypothetical future tech musings?
>>108463903*raises spork*das me, stuck on dsldont even have cable available since it became unprofitable to operate here
>>108463987My last apartment complex took a payout from AT&T to lay fiber on the condition that everyone gets fiber.Even if you have Charter (cable), you are still required to pay $100/mo for AT&T fiber that you will never use and don't even have an ONT for.Comically corrupt.
yeplandlords dont want the dumbass african contractors the ISPs hire to be drilling holes in their shit because theyll do it wrong, like they do everything else. i dont blame them. but i wanted fiber internet.but some of these fiber ISPs are pretty low quality too
I live in a major EU capital and use LTE. 20€ for 100/50mbits is literally cheapest option out there, a similar fibre or copper would cost around 25€ per month. The only benefit I could imagine is slightly better ping in games (mine floats between 30 and 60 ms) instead of 10-30 ms. I have a multiple gbit connection available at work and still have no idea how it is useful for home applications.
>>108472920Because CAT8 is more expensive (stop pretending it isn't), and has no wider standardization.So anyone can make a "CAT8" cable and no one out there is going to be able "prove" them wrong, because there is no CAT8 standard to meet. So yes, i'll take an ACTUAL standardized CAT5E, or CAT6A over a non-existent CAT8.
>2026>live in city>have fiber>still choose the cheapest 150mbps at 10 euro internet planI don't need more
>>108473053>cat8 is more expensive No it isn't.>there is no cat8 standard to meetYes there is, jfgi.
My city block does not have fiber access, you have to cross the road for it, then it's available everywhere else.Fun fact: they laid fiber cables everywhere in the early '00 and did nothing with them. For 20+ years I have had, right over the door of my apartment, a box in the wall with ancient optic fiber cables that have never been available.
>>108473181lmao not really, there is a paper spec but you have no way to verify if it's actually MEETING that spec, since CAT8 testers aren't a thing, and the standard for which it was created for doesn't exist on silicon, and never has. Not even an engineering sample internally as far as we know.And frankly, whether it meets "spec" or not is irrelevant, since that specification is wholly unproven on the hardware level, it's a PAPER specification that has never actually existed in hardware. Further, if CAT8 and CAT5E/CAT6A are identical price, it just means you're buying cheap chinese cables that aren't even trying to ACTUALLY meet the specs they claim to.What the chinese manufacturers know is that even good CAT5E can do 10Gbps over just ~30-40 feet and CAT6A can do 10Gbps at 300+ feet, which covers 99% of the consumer market. So they can sell "40Gbps CAT8" and it's really just CAT6A and no one is going to notice because you can't prove it ISN'T capable of 40Gbps since 40Gbps copper ethernet NICs don't exist.
>>108473248https://www.flukenetworks.com/expertise/learn-about/category-8-cable-testing
>>108463903>2026>live in the Netherlands>fiber internet almost everywhere>move to Belgium>limited to 100/40 VDSL2 for extortionist pricesAt least the gas is cheap
>>108473447He's mostly wrong and also a little right. Cat8 does exist and there is a recognised international standard for it. But 99%, if not all of the advertised Cat8 cables advertised as such on online sites are rebadged Cat6
>>108463903>ISP call and offers free upgrade to 100 or 200 fiber>retard parents dont want "ugly holes in the walls">hole would be <1cm
There are basically two ISPs in my dump of a country. One has pure fibre and the other has fibre up to my house and then transitions to coax. Functionally there's no difference in speeds, both are well above what I'll ever use so I just flip back and forth between whoever is willing to give a better deal.
>>108463976Heh we got fiber everywhere in my third world country not because our ISPs are any good but because copper thieves.
>>108474153There are entire neighbourhoods in my city where the local phone company here can no longer offer DSL or phone service because of copper thieves, yet they still refuse to install fibre.
>>108474083There are three ISPs in my country and they all run fiber, provides similar spec'd CPEs, and are priced the same.
>>108464340jumping in on the cat 8 retardation. If a 40 / 100 g nic ever made it to consoomer hardware it will be a gigantic power hog under load and requiring active cooling + special expensive connectors.It is an objective worse concept than laying oversized speed pipes and running cheap fiber patchcord. pre terminated Fiber costs next to nothing (cents per meter) and the cheapest tp link 10g duplex sfp is 16€ here
>>108469052more time slots for download equals more netflix cattle on your segment
>>108474561Do you cut and fuse fiber to size or do you just leave extra length and roll them into a loop?
>>108475065Measure once and order your cables to-size with maybe an extra foot or two of slack.
>>108463903>Does this happen to you to?Yes but the technician that came here last time said they're on the verge of switching to fiber.Which is weird because this ISP is also a CATV provider. They'll just ditch old TV it seems. Everything will be IP based.
>>108463903True story my town voted to install fiber in 2012. Comcast sued getting the project shut down. They permanently raised our property tax to pay for a service that was never installed. Until 2021 because businesses actually threatened to leave the town if they didn't install fiber. If you're a small business owner you might actually have some weight to throw on the scale.
>tfw 10GBPs fiber but only 2.5Gbps ethernetShould I invest in a 10GB ethernet card ?
>>108463903I have 1Gbps FttH and as fallback a dedicated 5G setup (usually does 300Mbps).
>>10847735510Gbps cards are cheap as fuck I have one in everything and I'm still on 100Mbps
>>108463903>does this happen to you?no, i live in switzerland :^)
>>108475065you coil it up, some ugly junction boxes have internal space for that, but its better to have the pipe runs broken up into two segments in the attic or basement and coil it there
City of India?
>>108477465It's not 2016 bro.Even Rural areas in India are getting fiber broadbands.
>have att 1gbps fiber>initially it was good and only $50/mo>jews have been raising prices and now its $85/mo>friend in city got sonic 10gbps fiber for cheaper>uses a wireless bridge to his room because he doesnt want to run cables>download steam games 10x faster than he does
>>108463903Why does everyone keep insisting we will see the end of personal computers and it will all be always online cloud based subscription shit when ISPs still refuse to replace the shittiest of shitty copper cables in most places
>>108464489>>108466079Can confirm, 20k college town here. No new internet cables since the 90sShit we're even still running 4g networks here.
>>108478968Retards and bots. They've been saying this shit for literal decades by this point and all it has amounted to is the PC market being bigger than ever and the seething poorfags insisting their $200 shitphone is the future seething harder than ever.Remember when people were gushing about those 2010s shitty 3d renders of people hooking their phone up to a monitor instead of having a laptop or desktop?
It's all marketing. Old internet did the job
>tfw still stuck with ADSLam not gonna make it, am I?
>>108479502>ADSL>A
>>108468585Government offered huge subsides twice for my area and both times the company that pledged to take it backed out. No more subsides planned so I'm fucked.
>>108464340>Cat 8 Ethernet cablesCat 6 is enough for 10GB/s, but you really should be using single mode fiber instead>WiFi 7 meshYou have no idea what you're talking about
>>108467332I work at an ISP in Germany.Sometimes the people who build new houses are retarded and only put phone cables into the new flats. It's crazy how outdated people's mentality is, they really think DSL 50 is good enough for everything and will exist foreverMeanwhile we are shutting down our first DSLAMs where most people got our fiber, the few retards who didn't will get their contracts terminated
>>108479639I'm shocked the builders even allow it.These days you'd struggle to find a builder who WOULDN'T run ethernet to primary living spaces, at least in my area.
>>108479647Most of the time they have no clue and let the electricians do itSome electricians think ISDN is cutting edge
>>108479574Seriously?That's fucked. I'm sorry.
Amazon tier """Cat 8""" is just Cat 5E if you're luckyNo you don't need a second router to create a fucking wifi access pointWifi mesh is always dogshit compared to wired Wifi APsFiber at home isn't expensive or scary, learn the basics
>>108474174Phone lines are considered a basic utility here therefore it is illegal to refuse service like that, the ISP either serves everyone or no one.
>>108479722They will tell you to fuck off and use 4G internet
>>108479639>Meanwhile we are shutting down our first DSLAMs where most people got our fiber, the few retards who didn't will get their contracts terminatedI mean fucking duh. What the fuck do people expect? For companies to waste energy which in Germany means a lot of fucking money on DSLAMs?Almost all our problems as a country come boil down to a large part of the population being clinically delusional.
>>108479822>a large part of the population being clinically delusionalWill a decade of real poverty discipline the masses?
>>108479822They really think that DSL will continue running forever.In reality DSL is dead and even AON fiber is a dead end. The current tech is GPON and XGS-PON, in the next few years we will get 25G PON and 50G PON
I live in a 1000 inhabitants shit hole and have symetrical 2Gbps internet for like 40 euros a month. Amerilards stay losing.
>>108479895I live in the middle of no where and have symmetrical gigabit. This is not an american problem, OP is most definitely a thirdie.
>>108479836I used to think people would eventually reach a breaking point but not in this fucking country. Our politicians could openly and fully see through the Morgenthau-Plan and people would still vote for either CDU/SPD/FDP/Grüne/etc. The problem with German politics is the German idea of a revolution is voting for the CDU successor party AFD. Worst part is these people are fully capable of seeing that Die Linke is just the left-wing successor party of the DDR but when it comes to the AFD? Good luck.Not a single party with realistic chances of getting past the 5% vote requirement to be eligible has any or is interested in offering any solutions to our problems because those parties are the ones that caused it.The energy crisis (exiting nuclear and going full speed ahead with gas dependence from unreliable suppliers FUCKING TWICE was a genius move) and immigration crisis is thanks to the CDU being too fucking weak to resist Grünen voters stuck in the 60s boomer bullshit.The healthcare system collapsing meanwhile is solely the fault of the SPD and Grüne.You would need 90%+ of all people that currently vote to either drop dead or stop voting for another reason to have any hope of fixing this country because they will continue to exchange CDU+X for SPD+X and it always was and always will be a disaster.>>108479857Wish we'd get P2P instead of P2MP but at this point I'm happy if we get any FTTH at all.
>>108479945Forgot to mention the Rentendisaster is also thanks to the SPD.
>>108463903what's the name of you shithole country ? which one of its 50 states ?
>>108464192american netizens are third-worldersWe get 1 Gbit for 30 € / month in France
>>108479905how much do you pay
>>108479973>which one of its 50 states ?Germany.
>>108479989so do we dumbass. I pay $35.france is a north african colony now btw, do try and keep up.
>>108480023Most americans pay 80$+ for cable. Even a north african colony has more modern internet, why can't you third-worlders keep up ? Your economy is rigged by capitalist lobbies and you pretend to love it.
>>108463903No.I also just ran single-mode fiber from the house out to my "office" last month.
>>108463903I live in a village with a pop of 300. There's fiber here. Git rekt.
>>108463903Bro I live in Germany what the fuck do you think?I'm lucky if I can get vectoring over old telephone cables to reach 100-160Mbit/s (down, up is way lower like 40Mbit/s)
>>108463916Cable company monopolies are no joke. I live in a tiny exurb with symmetric 8Gb fiber and the guy who came out from the city to hook it up said he pays as much for 800M cable.
>>108480133Are you fucking retarded? I paid less than $80 a month for cable in 1998. Almost no one has cable internet anymore. You're so fucking ignorant lol.
>>108481697NTA, but what are you talking about?DOCSIS cable has availability in ~80-85% of US households.Fiber is available in ~55-60% of US households.
>>108481723availability is not synonymous with maximal my ESL friend.
>>108480133Only in a handful of very corrupt municipalities. Normally if you pay $80+ for cable it's because you're a boomer still buying TV direct from the cable company.>>108481723In most places I've been cable is $50 max or free with phone service.
>>108481756>maximalyou call me ESL?"maximal" makes no sense in that sentence, you fucking retard.Also you're still demonstrably wrong.There are ~95M DOCSIS subscribers in the US right now, about 70% of the 80-85% footprint.There are ~40M FTTH fiber subscribers in the US ~40.5% of the 55-60% footprint. So there are still more than 2x as many DOCSIS subscribers in the US today than there are FTTH fiber subscribers.
>>108481817None of that says anything about price. Lots of people still use cable because the service is cheap as shit. You can get entry level fiber for $40-60 or cable with faster downlink for $20 on top of your phone plan.
>>108463903I've got fiber, but i'm stuck at the same speed as i was 15 years ago over the tv cable. They just refuse to to actually offer data plans worthy of fiber lol.
>>108481842I've not said anything about price at all, so why bring it up?I specifically said, I WASN'T the other poster, and what you were saying about "almost no one has cable internet anymore" was demonstrably false.I don't give a shit about the price argument you're having with someone else.
>>108481903>HOW DARE YOU MISS THREE LETTERSNobody cares. You're wrong for being a fucking spastic.
AT&T fiber ties your IP to your account.So if you get banned from 4chan, that's it, you're fucking done.
>>108481949They change my IP about once a week.
>>108481940You didn't miss 3 letters, you were just wrong.You said> Almost no one has cable internet anymoreThat was wrong, not only do a lot of people have cable internet, but more people have cable internet right now than have fiber internet.
>>108482036>You saidno i didn't faggotwhat the fuck is wrong with your keyboard
>>108482463>>108481697>Almost no one has cable internet anymore
>>108463903>Does this happen to you to?eh you seenational telco asks for 10 years building hallway access to run it in a buildingbuilding assembly meetings are usually chaoscable works, up to 1000/100 but 70 a month fuck off even if it somehow works with old shit docsis 3.0 which is a miracle of its own also total home gateway cuckerymoving to a house in 2moreweeks where they do not ask for your fucking key for a decade to put some fucking fiber optic cable so got it , like 50 a month for 600/600 kinda shit dealthat shit required knowing someone who knows someone in the isp to fix SOME FUCKING INTERNAL ADDRESS PAPERWORK which was incorrect because going to the isp normally they would claim the street doesn't have fiber WHEN IT DOESnuke this fucking devolving dump
>>108477345It's fucked up how these ISPs control small towns
>>108482541I didn't say that either.
>>108483712That's just typical muni government bullshit.>ask for permanent tax increase>with the aspirational purpose of X>oh no we can't do X>no refundsIf they were serious they would have a sunset date with the stated purpose of paying off a specific bond issuance. If Kikecast doesn't like it they can go all the way up to federal court and explain to everyone why they need the feds to come into a small town and start ripping up network lines.
>>108463903I live in the middle of nowhere and (finally) got fiber about 6 months ago.And FTTH too, not "fiber" that gets routed through docsis.It sucks man but if you raise awareness and get people talking about interest a big company -will- come through. It usually takes a few years of small noname, low quality competitors to reach the money level that a company accountant says "we can't ignore that city anymore".
>>108473246Kek what dump could this possibly happen in
>>108473688the holes are 6mm at the worst and the cable is fucking transparent
>>108479639>Sometimes the people who build new houses are retarded and only put phone cables into the new flats.Are you fucking shitting? Cat5e is used for telephone these days for some reason. Can't make that work? Or do you autists really find 1or 2 pair cable for it?
>>108463903it's over for me
Why does my download rate scale up in speed but upload is a rocketz instantly at 1000 mbps
>>108479945>I used to think people would eventually reach a breaking point but not in this fucking country.Hahahahaha, Not anywhere for a good while. See how fucked things have gotten in balkan shitholes. Not even the corruption and repression angle but just the fucking COST of everything compared to wages. Virtually everything costs about the same as germany except IN GERMANY you can probably fucking NEET and get more than a balkcuck wagie.They are beginning to import various flavors of jeets legally through agencies too.And look how little anyone is really complaining. PEOPLE WILL TOLERATE A LOAD OF SHIT. Bread and games.
>>108479639>Sometimes the people who build new houses are retarded and only put phone cables into the new flats. How? You couldn't get POTS where I live even if you wanted. Do people still have land lines where you live?
L o n d o n ?Everything happens. I used to live in an area where one row of houses was curiously stuck on ~20Mb copper, the best my place could get was 80/20 hybrid/SoGEA, while a few houses down they have a variety of different FTTPs.
>>108463903Live in the middle of nowhere in Sweden 1000/1000 fibre. Nothing personell kid.
>>108483993Dude we still have telefax because it is considered secure both technically and legally. You have no idea how fucking ass backwards the German mentality is.
>>108485156If they didn't shut it down people would still be hooking up to either OPAL or ISDN because YoU dOnT nEeD mOrE
>>108483898They use "ISDN" cables, something that might or might not be equivalent to Cat3 at best>>108483993They also put coax cables in houses which aren't connected to a coax network because "that's how it's always been done". Meanwhile their ethernet, if they put in any at all, is piss poor, they don't even use duplex cables and just put a single ethernet plug in each room
>>108485159In my experience it's uncaring contractors. My dad was one of these dumb people that put phone lines in every room when he bought an apartment. The electrician didn't even ask when they made the plan together.Thank god I was able to pull in ethernet cables
>>108485159OPAL was also just FTTC in most places, or even worse, a single fiber for a whole city. It also didn't help that the hardware manufacturers discontinued development of passive optical networks and only picked it up again decades later with EPON/GPON
>>108479529How do I end this suffering
>>108463903bro lmaoi live in a town in bfe appalachia with like 2000 people and millions of cowsi got 2 fiber providers to choose fromwhat third world shithole city do you live in?
>>108485517Rope and hope
I'm content with my 100Mbps fiber.
>>108485517Cope and hope.
>>108485517Literally have to start your own company, it's how it's done in America. Basically people would have to start electricity co-ops that also ran cable for government fiber gibs, which would cause the existing ISPs to actually compete.
>>108485945Would be a good plan if something like "community" would be left anywhere. Most people have been so sanded down they aren't even capable of entertaining the idea. But if you can actually get people together this is the way to go. Credibly threaten to build your own local net and watch the cockroaches come out of the trash pile to offer to do it for you even though five seconds ago it was "not economically viable".
>>108485945>>108485958I have the capital to get some of the tools needed, but not enough for everything to run a small company of that sort and that's without mentioning the retarded laws over here, even if you start your own small company you still need to get permission from the big ISPs since they have "qualified personals approved by the government", you have to go through them and wait for them to "study" your case and see if you can work in that area or not, and anyone can tell how that will go.
beaner here
>>108479603Fuck off.
I just got ATT fiber on my rural street after years of 4G/5G via Calyx. ATT is so trash. It's fast, gigabit speeds 24/7, but connections go stale after a while so stuff like SSH drops after like 12-16 hours.
>>108486353He's not wrong, it's why half a dozen people called you retarded, they all recognized you have no idea what the fuck you're talking about despite your confidence.Pure Dunning-Kruger.
>>108483712It's even more so if you're in a rural area with a telephone cooperative. In my state, co-ops are protected against competition in their service area by state statute. So where I live they are the only land-based internet option available. If I want something else I'd have to go with a cellular modem or starlink.
Starting to see those orange flags on the side of my road, lads. Soon.
>>108463903I pay like 18 usd a month for 500 fiber, i still think is more than i need but cant go any lower lmao.
>>108487015Don't wet yourself too much yet, those orange flags were there for like a year in my neighborhood before they actually came in and did the trench work.
>>108485898It's actually all you need.
>>108463903i got fibrebut it's only 800mbps symmetricalnot even gigabitcan you believe that? they're being stingy with photons
>>108487118At least it's symmetrical and not 2.5G/200M bullshit.
>>108487129GPON is 2.5G down and 1.25G up so there is some reason why it's not symmetrical
>>108487309It's a cost saving option that almost nobody opts for, even in very poor areas.
>>108487309Yeah but since 99.9% of residential consumers don't use upload bandwidth at anywhere near the same rate as download bandwidth, any ISP that is offering you 1gbps (or close to it) download COULD also offer 1gbps upload if they're using GPON.Verizon FiOS in the northeast US had millions of customers on GPON with access to 1/1gbps plans for years.
>>108483898build to code here equals conduit for all data lines, allowing for easy replacement. Data lines are not allowed next to power lines in the wall without double insulation (even armored fiber, lmao at vde boomers). If some retard gets a house build with 4 core phone cable inside the wall he got scammed>>108485208its ISPs demanding 4 core wire and the outdated F socket. There is no published norm that states "CatX can be used between APL and TAE" or better "RJ45 is allowed as TAE replacement"No reason to change it now, dsl is dead
>>108487427>its ISPs demanding 4 core wire and the outdated F socket.more like demanded that 20 years ago
>>108463903A company rolled out fiber to my small town and the incumbent sent people around to offer them the same speeds at half the price. I accepted of course.
>>108487118you have it good>its this or 1000/500nigger
>>108487762oh I did not mention that this was 600/150 for the longest time? and less before that? how's 500/50 sound on gpon?>they ran gpon to one fucking area in 2012 and gave max 20/4 like on adsl>they lost everyone there to a docsis providerkek
>>108487798We have some people on GPON who only get 16mbit down/1.5mbit up because they have an old contract. Not my problem.And if a business customer uses shit old hardware we don't want to support anymore, but he refuses to upgrade, we set a less than 1mbit/s profile for him and tell him that the hardware is faulty
>>108463903i don't know what internet i have and don't care, it's literally free wifi
>>108489132based vagrant
>>108488749>We have some people on GPON who only get 16mbit down/1.5mbit up because they have an old contract. Not my problem.1 out of 2 major ISPs in my country upgrade your speed whenever they change the current offeringsince the other is owned by the state I assumed it was just typical kikery on their part but I guess it isn't after all>And if a business customer uses shit old hardware we don't want to support anymore, but he refuses to upgrade, we set a less than 1mbit/s profile for him and tell him that the hardware is faultyKEK
>>108487078Winter is over, ground soft enough to dig now they gotta be starting soon. Probably will reach me by the end of summer
>>108479639Germany is a backward country. I get really irritated when people romanticize "German thoroughness", "German engineering" and shit like that. Stupid motherfucking country that hasn't known progress since the fall of the third empire
>>108479711Yes Amazon is a scam company. I noticed that too.
>>108490633Yeah our number one export nowadays is unwarranted arrogance.
>>108479711>No you don't need a second router to create a fucking wifi access pointSometimes using a router as an AP is much more cost effective than buying a "real" AP.
>>108492670sometimes, but it really depends.
>>108463903>Fiber offers 100Mbps for €49/no introductory price>Goes up to €69/mo after 3 months>Currently have 100Mbps for VDSL for €29/mo foreverWow tough choice
>>108463903>be me>shitalian>got the fiber like 4 years agoit's fast and good, love it
>>108463903not in the USA, basically every 10k population town has fiber at this point thanks to Joe Biden's massive infrastructure bill.would have been stuck on like 100mbit down 20up still if it weren't for him.
>>108463987>GOod luck getting your landlord to foot the bill.what isp doesn't do the install for free?you must not be in the US
>>108463903>2.5gbit/1.25gbit shared over 20+ customersis it really that good? all it takes is one torrenting neighbour
In my country city-people get what their apartment associations (or whatever they are called) offer, be it DSL or Cable or Ethernet or what have you. While country side people almost always get fiber as an option. (although not that many go for it as 4G and 5G are perfectly fuctional)
>>108492927Most new fiber is XG-PON/XGS-PON (10/10gbps backhaul) or NGPON2 (10/10gbps across 4 wavelengths for a total of 40/40gbps backhaul) if youre in the northeast with verizon. Also BECAUSE things are so fast that torrenting neighbor will be done with his download in a few minutes instead of an hour+. Meaning he's now far less likely to coincide with your own download occuring at the same time.I have 2/2gbps service, but they actually deliver 2300-2500mbps each direction and i've never seen my speeds throttled even during primetime evening hours.
>>108492670Cheap shit routers usually have cheap shit wifi chipsets and antennas. It makes sense to go at least prosumer for wifi. Grandstream has some good APs if you don't want the usual ubishitti
>>108492915False. See >>108481817
>>108493157Yeah, but sometimes cheap shit does the job and it's nice to be able to repurpose something you might already have. Cheapest Grandstream AP is £60 whereas I'm pretty sure I got a TP Link Archer router for like £17 and just set it to AP mode. Funny enough, they had a very similar looking product marketed as AP (probably the exact same shit but without routing) and I believe it cost twice as much.
>>108492927do you fuckers believe the backend isnt shared? The last mile is the least congested part of the entire route, and my old isp is getting sued this year for redirecting >1 million customers through a single 10gbit connection
>>108495589they can easily switch the backends but the customer side will stay at that measly shared speed for a long ass time due to scale of the upgrades neededalso, the fuck was unnecessary
no my dumbass trump addicted roommate tried to toss out the router though since trump banning them makes them " evil" or some shit i told him he cane but then ill be the only one with internet
>>108492927>>108495589In the US this is your ISP's problem. If the FTC gets enough complaints they'll fine the ISP and force them to write refund checks to everyone in the general area whether they were having problems or not.
>>108495640>>108495589Usually it's not the ISP backhaul that's the problem, it's the peering points where your ISP connects to the wider internet.
>>108492927We have about 8000 customers. They generate around 30Gbit/s of traffic at the evening peak hours.
