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>>108465789
>a bygone era
pure aesthetics on the screencap
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>>108465834

>REAL THREAD
>REAL THREAD
>REAL THREAD

>>108446669
>>108446669
>>108446669

>REAL THREAD
>REAL THREAD
>REAL THREAD
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>>108465853
This. You need to wait for the general to be archived for at least a day before creating a new one. You're just taking up space on the board when it's better used for the 10 AI-related generals.
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When I was a teenager in middle school, 2 decades ago, my IT teacher managed to make the win98 era computers actually act as "terminals" running off some more modern computers, as if they were remote TTYs from the better computers, but with graphical interface and all

how is that possible? i still dont fully understand that, how can i set up low end computers as "terminals" that are actually running off a more powerful one? i hope it was actually that and not just using the other PCs for storage
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>>108465917
Remote desktop like VNC or whatever was popular back then.
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>>108465917
Or some X11 forwarding thing.
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artix, runit, zen kernel, hyprland, nvidia
issue with mpv.

when mpv is playing on an offscreen workspace and i focus it, the video freezes 1s (audio keeps playing without issue).
mpv.conf setting like gpu-context=wayland or x11egl, fix this but it changes 40w to 60w+ for videoplayback which is ridiculous. i rather only keep vo=gpu-next + hwdec=auto

anything i can do to fix this?
it worked without issue on arch.
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>>108466063
>40W just to play a video
holy fucking shit how is nVidia this bad?
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>>108466216
Guess what the N in Nvidia is for
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>>108466216
It's 30w idle for two 4k screens.
Videoplayback adds 10.
It sucks, but I believe it's normal for any dgpu.
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>>108466249
>30W idle
>only 2 4k screens
>normal
lmao no, that's fucking awful
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Is it time to migrate to a distro without systemd or do we wait till things get worse?
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>>108466297
show me a modern dgpu which uses less.
only laptops that use igpu or arm do it for less.
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>>108466297
Screenshot info of your monitor setup and idle consumption.
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>>108466299
artix qt community works for me just had to disable wifi power save to stop my connection randomly spiking to 100ms causing problems in online gaymes
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>>108466358
What init did you pick for it? OpenRC? Are you on wayland?
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How dumb/wasteful would it be to use an old mid 2000's computer as a NAS and plug in like 8 IDE drives (i have IDE PCI cards)

would my electricity bill kill me? prices in my country are about 0,13 to 0,20€ per kWh

putting that retro plan aside i could just use an old laptop or an old raspberry pi but then im stuck with USB2.0 and external hard drive docks
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>>108466421
Old hardware is not energy efficient, including idles. Should still consume less than 200 hundred watts I think. Wasteful? Probably. Rape your electricity bill? Is upwards of 30 bucks a month too much for you?
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>>108466384
yeah openrc and wayland works just when you install it the theme applied is kind of broken and my mouse was missing. just had to go into settings and then apply the breeze dark theme to fix it
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>>108466249
Sounds high to me. This is on a laptop but dGPU
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>>108466647
a mobile gpu is different from a real one.
and 1 1440p screen is different from 2x 4k.

either way, the issue is not about idle watt usage.
i care about the freezing glitch of mpv on focusing it's workspace.
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Do anons here prefer WMs or DEs? Can you sell me about your favorite? Are WMs uncomfortable to use if you're on a desktop setup with MKB? I'm a new linux user since Jan and currently on Xfce, I have tried GNOME and KDE before too. They were all fine and usable but GNOME feels too restricted while KDE feels too much, Xfce hits the ball just right and their mice is cute. I'm looking at LXQt and WMs (not for switching tho, I'm just curious)
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>>108466702
Just like other normal people, I prefer DEs and the best one by far is Plasma. The only other serious one is GNOME and everything else is a toy project handled by 5 developers at most.
>Xfce
I guess if I had to pick the 3rd best DE that would be it. I used it for several years.
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>>108466702
A DE will have a WM, plus a bunch of other stuff. Think of it as a pre-package build complete with all the bells and whistles, some defaults, file manager, terminal emulator, widgets, a wallpaper setup and some software to control that, a panel, a bunch of other software (sometimes reasonable, sometimes useless bloat), and some control panel equivalent to control settings for all of that crap.
A WM manages windows. That's it. It doesn't manage files, it doesn't display wallpapers, it doesn't come with a panel, it doesn't come with anything other than itself. Its job is to manage windows, nothing more. They may have some other software developed by the same devs that's supposed to provide additional features and play nice with the WM, but aren't required. You get to pick everything you want to use, you get to uninstall anything you don't need.
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>>108466702
WM's, mainly because I run several programs per workspace. On DE's moving+resizing around windows everytime I reboot or want to change something is a hassle and simply faster with a WM.

If the only thing you do is use fullscreen apps per workspace, there is no need for a WM.

I enjoy hyprland because it has many functions and allows for customized ui animations, I don't need elastic or bouncy ones, but simple fast slides from workspace to workspace or moving windows around make it pleasing to work with.

It has enough 'dispatchers' so I can have a loginscript fill 4 workspaces with 10+ apps exactly scaled and positioned like i want.
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Just booted into Windows for the first time in months. God, what the fuck is the text rendering on Windows? This shit looks like I cranked the sharpening filter up like one of those deepfried memes. I can see the fucking pixels because it's so jagged, anyone who complains about text rendering on Linux is a fucking moron.
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>kde start menu shows old non-existent files while searching. clear baloo index, files still show up
>try to edit boot order with efibootmgr. No space left on device. disks have free space, probably some motherboard shit.
>try to run some python code from github. some part of the code is not compatible with the latest python3 versions.

not my lucky day
I hate computer
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>>108466798
Looks fine on my monitor. You probably have the subpixel order set wrong in Cleartype.
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>>108466848
This. 100% subpixel rendering.
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>>108466848
>>108466915
Oh shit I just fell for it didn't I?
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>>108466848
>>108466915
Are you saying the screenshot looks fine on your monitor?
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>>108466938
No, somebody else said that. The screenshot looked screwed up, but I'm not sure that the screenshot would look any different depending on the subpixel geometry setting of the machine that took the screenshot.
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>>108466989
>I'm not sure that the screenshot would look any different depending on the subpixel geometry setting of the machine that took the screenshot
It wouldn't, so I don't know what this guy (>>108466848) is talking about because my screenshot is just a bitmap.
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>>108467031
Hence, >>108466931(me)
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>>108466702
DEs. WMs are just too much work
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>>108466063
Sounds a bit like some issues ive had on sway. The fix for me was to switch wlroots' backend to vulkan, which handled some incompatibilities with Nvidia+wayland as well.
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I have an external SSD and decided to format it to ext4 so I can use it to install Steam games. When I use the "disk" program in Linux, it isn't working. I can format it to FAT, for example, but not to ext4. When I try to format it to ext4, the drive becomes inaccessible.
I followed ChatGPT's instructions, and I managed to format the disk and everything with the terminal, but I can't mount it. There's a process where the terminal says: "creating journals (X blocks):" but this process ends immediately without any message.
ChatGPT can't help me any further from this point. Does anyone have any idea what's going on?
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>>108467753
Here's a pic. After "creating journals", the terminal cursor shouldn't appear right away, right? This is where I'm stuck...
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>>108467799
I haven't done it via the cli for some time, but I'm pretty sure it's still going.
How long have you waited?
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>>108467820
Yeah, I left it running for several minutes and it finally finished the process, but the drive isn't accessible anyway, so the ext4 format isn't actually working for some reason...
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>>108467836
When you say inaccessible, what exactly does that mean?
Can you mount the filesystem to some place?
Can you see the filesystem on the disk in lsblk and/or the gnome disks overview? Can you try mounting it in the latter?
Do you get any errors?
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>>108467860
I can't open the SSD and copy files to it.
When I list the drives, instead of it showing "sda - sda1 - ext4", it only shows sda - sda1 with no more informations. From what I've read, this is because the formatting wasn't successful.
One possible reason for this is that the SSD has physical issues, but I ran read/write tests and everything is fine.
I'm going to try formatting it to ext4 using some software...
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>>108468006
Since you seem to be on ubuntu, try gparted. It has a nice GUI.
But in the end, it should do nothing other than what you tried in the CLI.
Not sure what the problem could be
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>>108468006
Have you tried accessing your drive on windows? Maybe its already bricked on read only, i had a similar issue months ago when arch bricked my ssd
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>>108468006
>but I ran read/write tests and everything is fine
Describe tests? Did you format it as another filesystem, write files to it, unplug it, and verify you get the exact same files back when you plug it back in? It's very unlikely this is an ext4 issue.
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SEIZON SENRYAKU

YEAR OF THE LINUX DESKTOP.... Failed
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>>108468045
I can't get Windows to read the SSD anymore. I think Linux messed it up.
I also can't format it at all anymore.

>>108468127
I don't know what I did; I was just following ChatGPT's instructions. I also ran a benchmark test on the Ubuntu "disk," and everything seems normal. But I can't format it.
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>>108466421
if you can make it with without spending any penny then go for it, it'll be fun, otherwise drop it, completely wasteful
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>>108468134
i see this as a win
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>>108468445
check with crystal disk info on windows to confirm if the drive is read only, if its on read only ask chatgpt how you can get rid of that flag on windows, with some luck you can recover your ssd
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>>108468539
It thinks the SSD is already dead, but this piece of shit was working fine before I tried to format it to ext4 today, lol.
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>Want to install a 30 MB tool
>Actually it's 1 GB because it needs an old version of Gnome
I really should stop using Flatpak.
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>>108466249
20 to 30W is normal for my card and it was the same even on Windows. Also if you enable variable refresh rate or have 3 displays the VRAM clock will get locked to max and it will use 50W minimum at idle which is the main reason I use adaptive VRR instead of "always on".
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>>108466798
windows (which one) has the ClearType by default, pixels on yer pic are smothered. "Jagged" is when any anti-aliasing turned off because you have perfect view. but you dont have on Linux either.
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>>108468134
The decade of the linux desktop... has only just begun
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>>108468134
Honestly I'm finally at a place where I haven't booted to Windows in months. It's getting really good.
>Nvidia finally decent
>Wayland finally good
>Can tell games which screen to treat as primary case by case
>All my display/bluetooth related bugs I wrestled with on Windows are not present on Fedora.
Now I'm just waiting for VKD3D to fully implement vulkan heap stuff.
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>use plasma
>scroll through some crowded settings dialog, like qbittorrent settings
>cursor accidentally overlaps a combobox or slider as you mousewheel down
>you change some random setting and have no idea what it was before
>you're forced to close and reopen again
FOR
WHAT
REASON
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>>108466702
I'm a ramlet so I straight up need WMs, DEs have a level of bloat that is downright noticeable for me.
Even if I had a far beefier PC I'd still stick with WMs just because I've been getting accostumed to this for far too long. And because of time and experience I was already able to put up together a small list of packages that work well together and that don't really look bad (aka they look cohesive aesthetically).
>"Can you sell me (about) your favorite?"
I use AwesomeWM. In the name of going balls to the walls in the performance sector I tried to use DWM but not only it didn't worked because I was too stupid back then, the thing is relying on you also diving in hard into the source files to modify them and actually make dwm perfect for your liking.
Whoever I stuck with AwesomeWM because I find it easier to handle and despite the fact that it used more ram than DWM (+40MB) it was noticeably faster.
Overall the thing is miles ahead of what I used to use (LXQt) in terms of performance and while it has a learning curve when the beast is tamed it's noticeably comfier to use.
>"Are WMs uncomfortable to use if you're on a desktop setup with MKB?"
I mean, AwesomeWM is a tiling WM so by design you should be able to handle the entire thing without a mouse. Ultimately I use the mouse as a crutch to resize and move my windows when I'm on floating mode so I don't have to learn the keyboard shortcuts for handling size and positions.
But that's AwesomeWM in particular, you are asking stuff as if DEs and WMs were completely disconnected from each other, remember that every single DE has a WM inside of it (for example the LXQt DE has Openbox as the WM). what you should ask instead is what is the experience of having to replace or manually pick what software you use instead of what a DE would come with (i.e. compressed file manager, file manager, pdf viewer, browser, image viewer, etc.)

Gonna continue this in another post
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>>108469113
Whoever thought the mousewheel should change sliders and dropdown menus and such without having to be clicked first needs to be shot. Happens in a surprising amount of software.
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>>108469204 (cont)
As a general rule most packages are split having in mind 2 criteria:
>Source (as in, from what DE it comes)
Aka the usual clusterfuck between software that comes from KDE or Gnome. And the rare DE-agnostic software.
>Graphics lib, software, or whatever the fuck handles it's graphics.
Either GTK or Qt. Or stuff that uses tcl/tk or WxWidgets if you are mentally ill.

In my experience:
KDE tends to have bloat that can come in handy; DE-agnostic packages are great but they can be outdated; Qt looks modern but it can cause a fuckton of pains in terms of configuration and little graphical bugs; GTK is all around more reliable for graphical theme consistancy but it can look a little bit dated at times.
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>>108468134
The day it's truly the "year of the linux desktop" I'm fucking off to BSD or even plan9.
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>>108469218
It's apparently considered "good design". I learned to skip the gui wherever I can and just use the search text function to find whatever I want, digging through a bunch of menus to find what I want always drove me insane.
This isn't even linux specific, I used to do the same on windows so switching was pretty smooth for me. Grep is a god send.
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>do my best to learn linux
>configure my system so that it's as good as my previous windows setup
>9 months pass, change nothing
>forget literally everything i learned
>want to change one thing and i have no clue where to start, back to baby mode

is this a common occurence or just me?
I feel like I have no reason to use any of Linux's advanced capabilities on a regular basis. My personal computing amounts to using a web browser, reading emails, editing text files and using spreadsheets. I switched to Linux no problem but I've been using it for nearly a year and I feel like I don't know the first thing about it.
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>>108469345
>going past ricing and actually using your computer to the extent of forgetting about the underlying operating system idiosyncrasies
That's a good thing actually
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Do I have to feed n sneed a copy of Windows 7 to use this? If so, how do I know it's legit and not spyware?
Why do I need Windows 7 you might ask? I have an old embroidery machine that uses old software.
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I've read people saying that Wayland is corporate industry plant EEE globohomo trash for surveillance like Systemd is turning out to be.
There's a fork of X11 being worked on called XLibre.
However, looking at the pictures provided (https://github.com/orgs/X11Libre/discussions/211), all of them seem to have an older Windows XP or Windows 7 type of look. I actually like the newer modern looks of KDE.
If I switch to XLibre, will I be unable to make the system look like KDE looks with Wayland?
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>>108469373
But all I did was configure the system to a point where it's no better than windows. If the underlying operating system idiosyncrasies don't matter then surely I should have stayed on windows?
I thought linux would have blatant superiorities that I would be able to leverage if I understood it well enough. So far I can't think of anything that fits the bill there.
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>>108469461
kde's x11 session is poised to be deprecated, meaning you won't be able to run the latest kde on x11 (and xlibre) in the future.
also wayland is just protocol spec (which is the entire issue with it imo) and people have been sperging about systemd for at least 15y at this point
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>>108469479
meant for >>108469360
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>>108469482
I see, thanks.
>wayland is just protocol spec (which is the entire issue with it imo)
What does this mean? Is it safe from a privacy perspective to run it or will the corporate-bought devs put code in it so that it takes screenshots every 5 seconds and sends them to Israel?
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>>108469541
A protocol spec only dictates how things should work, but it provides no code or reference implementation at all, the entirety of wayland is published here: https://wayland.freedesktop.org/docs/html/
as a result every compositor like kwin has its own implementation of that protocol
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What do they mean by "LibreWolf is extremely political"? Isn't it good as a privacy hardened version of Firefox? Should I use Waterfox instead, or some other Firefox fork?
https://github.com/orgs/X11Libre/discussions/211#discussioncomment-14264917
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>>108469564
I see, thanks.
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>>108469204
>>108469223
ty anon for the insightful effortpost, I'll try WMs out if company let me fuck up the work laptop somehow (or I buy one myself), seems they're real optimal on keyboard + touchpad only
>>108469565
firefox + betterfox + ublock (some custom lists included) is all you need, don't bother with meme forks or chromium
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>>108469479
>But all I did was configure the system to a point where it's no better than windows. If the underlying operating system idiosyncrasies don't matter then surely I should have stayed on windows?
Consider the benefits of not dealing with microsoft anymore. Microsoft will continue to drive windows down the gutter year after year. You will be good in the long run.
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>use Gentoo
>fire up an update
>got updates on dev-libs/simdjson and dev-python/requests
>nothing else
Stupid question maybe but why would only a couple of libraries update? Aren't you supposed to get an update on something that uses them along with it?
I assume dev-python/requests counts as a library.

>>108469345
Could write down some notes on what makes up a specific feature on your system.
Done that exact thing but regarding hardware and kernel configuration.

>>108469018
>>108468445
How does one even begin to brick drives?

>>108469071
>bluetooth related bugs
You get those when your kernel branch is too recent.
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>>108469565
>extremely political
9 times out of 10, this means fucking nothing for the end user. It often means you shouldn't give them any money though.
>Should I use Waterfox instead
It was bought by an advertising company years ago, you tell me.
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>>108469479
A lot of things are better under the hood, and that is without considering that most things "just werks" or they have alternatives that are just as capable.
>malwares are mostly written for windows, and mainstream distros are also much more secured OOTB
Unless you install sketchy packages, the peace of mind is much stronger than Windows, and Linux don't use retarded ways of implementing security measures either (24/7 real-time scanning, core isolation, TPM, etc...)
>package managers
The most noticeable feature imo, apps and programs you installed can't shit all over the registry nor hide it deep inside AppData like they do on Windows. Sure they still create something here and there in your /home directory, but it's much easier to locate and remove, and if you're that concerned, there's also flatpak and distrobox.
>customization
Not much to say if you've seen all the fancy setups people have here and on other websites, even stock KDE and GNOME look efficient and usable now. Aesthetics are good for the soul.
>much lighter on RAM and hardware
Self-explanatory, even the most bloated DE which is now GNOME use about 2 gigs of ram currently, where as a stock Windows 11 uses 4 to 6 gigs, might not matter as much for folks with 32GB+ of ram, but life-changing for people with 16GB or below.
>no telemetry, tackled AI or bloats
There's no need for you to use 3rd-party tools to get all the unneeded cruft out, nor worrying about registry keys and group policies getting overwritten by a new update.

In short it's blatantly superior if you take some time to look closely, and when industry standard software finally support Linux along with anti-cheat games (some are doing that already), Windows will suffer it's final death and Microsoft knew they're fucked FUCKED (hence their recent promises about Windows 11).
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>>108469479
Depends on how much of a casual user you are, really. A Facebook machine would perform exactly the same regardless of the OS, a gaymer might see improvements and deficiencies here and there, a sys admin would throw a shitfit if he had to use windows because the tools really aren't there and so on
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this might be a really stupid question but it is safe to remove konsole on a kde plasma install right? i swapped to kitty cause i set up rmpc to actually display album covers in high quality and i might as well get rid of konsole
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>>108470227
I think Kate and maybe some other KDE programs may use it as back end?
In my installation I just forgot about it use Kitty. Removing it won't break your system, but might break stuff that relies on it.
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>>108470264
damn that's annoying, i guess i'll just leave it there
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>>108465789
How do you guys feel about Windows users being able to play any Denuvo games for free now?
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>>108470471
What happened to Denuvo?
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>>108470482
Universal bypass that only works on Windows. Even games that released right now like Crimson Desert were playable day one.
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>>108470495
So something that was built by someone on csrin?
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>>108470471
>too lazy to switch back now after everything's up and running smooth
ehh fuck it, only notable release I somewhat cared about was Black Myth: Wukong, they'll always come to Wine/Proton anyways, as with eroges/repacks/ACE games
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>>108470495
>>108470471
>>108470514
It's a Hypervisor bypass. It works by tricking the VM into thinking your the machine of the person that bought the game.

You're basically giving the cracker obscene levels of access to your PC just to run a game for free. Proper cracks that remove the DRM properly and completely should always be preferred but they take time. Hopefully the few people with real skills to do that don't stop.

Also, I think Denuvo could theoretically block/ban the machine still even with the hypervisor bypass since it's not a proper crack. You hear the horror stories of people getting their accounts blocked/banned, etc. I wouldn't trust it.
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>>108470526
Nope. It literally can't work on Linux.
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>>108470529
You don't need internet for it to work though.
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>>108470529
You're not running a VM though, you're just virtualizing a tiny part that tricks Denuvo
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What is the trick to get Nvidia to work with neuvou on void?
I installed it with xfce and one of my monitors kept crashing out. I haven't used x11 in years so I remember nothing. I tried Nvidia proprietary but x wouldn't even start, couldn't find a monitor.
Card is a gtx1070
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>>108470529
>You're basically giving the cracker obscene levels of access to your PC
All cracks you run as admin do that and most cracks need admin access...
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>>108470529
so Denuvo is still active, shit on your hardware and ham down 20% of your performance? Yeah no thanks, my stuff is an aging mid-end already and I can't tank the perf hit now like whales who bought xx90s
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>>108470549
True. Long gone are the days where you just replace one DLL file and it works.
The people that run pirated games probably don't care about the security of it.

When I was younger I used to pirate games but nowadays if a game isn't worth my money then I just won't play it. Suffice to say I don't play a lot of games anymore, everyone wants to charge $100 for their game and few are worth it.
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>>108470575
>The people that run pirated games probably don't care about the security of it.
Yep. I have a dedicated gaming machine with it's own sandboxed subnet that I literally only use for games, emulation, shitposting and YouTube with my brainrot account.
Beats paying 70 bucks for a game I probably play a week at most.
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>>108470592
Yeah, it's not worth it. Everyone goes through introduction/fan phase, bit like when you discover music, there's so many decades of really talented musicians but towards the current time, talent means less and less...
After few years of being a gaming fan you have probably saturated your curiosity and go with that.
Companies try to prey upon this knowledge too. That's why every new game is kiddie suitable casino simulator.
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>>108470620
I've been P2P/torrenting since like 2002.
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>>108470471
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>>108470625
Me too. I didn't claim your background it was just a rambling.
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How do I get the "nice" looking login screen for kde? I installed the one that seemed preferred but it's kinda ugly.
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>>108470861
start here, you arch shitter
https://github.com/topics/sddm-theme
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>>108470897
I really gotta do all this? Maybe I'll just go back to xubuntu or something.
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>>108470897
kde doesn't use sddm anymore i'm pretty sure they have their own login manager now
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Neat script I found on reddit that shows you percent of packages maintained by each Arch packager

pacman -Qi |
grep '^Packager' |
cut -d: -f2 |
sort |
uniq -c |
sort -n |
sed 's/^ *//;s/ /:/' |
awk -F: "{printf \"%5.1f%% \",\
100 * \$1 / $(pacman -Qq | wc -l);\
\$1=\"\" }1"
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>>108470952

  0.1%   Bert Peters <bertptrs@archlinux.org>
0.1% George Hu <integral@archlinux.org>
0.1% Giancarlo Razzolini <grazzolini@archlinux.org>
0.1% kpcyrd <kpcyrd@archlinux.org>
0.1% Massimiliano Torromeo <mtorromeo@archlinux.org>
0.1% Pierre Schmitz <pierre@archlinux.org>
0.1% Sébastien Luttringer <seblu@seblu.net>
0.1% Sergej Pupykin <spupykin@archlinux.org>
0.1% Unknown Packager
0.2% Jakub Klinkovský <lahwaacz@archlinux.org>
0.2% Levente Polyak <anthraxx@archlinux.org>
0.2% Sébastien Luttringer <seblu@archlinux.org>
0.3% Caleb Maclennan <alerque@archlinux.org>
0.3% Laurent Carlier <lordheavym@archlinux.org>
0.4% Daniel M. Capella <polyzen@archlinux.org>
0.4% Fabian Bornschein <fabiscafe@archlinux.org>
0.8% Morten Linderud <foxboron@archlinux.org>
0.9% George Rawlinson <grawlinson@archlinux.org>
0.9% Maxime Gauduin <alucryd@archlinux.org>
1.0% Peter Jung <ptr1337@archlinux.org>
1.0% Sven-Hendrik Haase <svenstaro@archlinux.org>
1.3% Daniel Bermond <dbermond@archlinux.org>
1.6% Lukas Fleischer <lfleischer@archlinux.org>
1.8% Carl Smedstad <carsme@archlinux.org>
1.9% Christian Heusel <gromit@archlinux.org>
2.0% Robin Candau <antiz@archlinux.org>
2.2% Balló György <bgyorgy@archlinux.org>
2.8% Frederik Schwan <freswa@archlinux.org>
3.1% Tobias Powalowski <tpowa@archlinux.org>
3.9% David Runge <dvzrv@archlinux.org>
4.0% Jelle van der Waa <jelle@archlinux.org>
4.0% T.J. Townsend <blakkheim@archlinux.org>
5.8% Christian Hesse <eworm@archlinux.org>
10.7% Andreas Radke <andyrtr@archlinux.org>
10.9% Felix Yan <felixonmars@archlinux.org>
13.7% Jan Alexander Steffens (heftig) <heftig@archlinux.org>
22.6% Antonio Rojas <arojas@archlinux.org>
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>>108470933
Yeah KDE replaced SDDM with Plasma Login Manager since a couple months ago.
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>>108470933
>>108470959
The other guy is right though, I installed arch but used the arch installer and I don't remember seeing an option called that so I used sddm. I swear when I've used distros using kde they had a fancier login screen by default. Maybe they just made their own sddm theme or something. Idk, I've mostly stuck with xfce.
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>>108470978
On Arch you need to install sddm-kcm to select the Breeze theme for SDDM from KDE settings. Idk if that guy was complaining about those themes or the default sddm one on Arch which looks pretty bare bones.
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>>108465789
looking for a distro rec...
I've been on a hackintosh for years so all my unix/bash experience is just from trying to rice it, not super experienced but I know enough to figure shit out usually, some basic configs/scripting etc. I've used debian stable a decent amount for a VPS.
my main thing though is that I hate updating. I want to set my computer up exactly as I want it and keep it exactly the same way for years. Occasionally I'll want a new feature for something and want to update that, or something like ytdlp needs updating constantly, but for the most part I don't want to deal with rolling release or regular updates breaking shit. I used to love dicking around with homebrew and keeping shit up to date but it's boring as shit to me now. I also want to be able to test all the main DEs and WMs to find what I like.
Does my perfect distro exist?
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Wanna gaym and program. Do I go with Nobara or Arch?
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>>108471015
You go with windows you fucking pajeet.
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>>108471007
You'd probably either like Debian Stable with Flatpak and Nix installed into it, or just NixOS straight up.
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>>108471015
Seems to me you want ease. So probably CachyOS would be your best bet.
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>>108471015
Think about the terms of package manager and updates. Linux is still linux, distro is not an operating system but a distribution.
If you game you need to be able to understand the underlying tech stack unless you only use Steam.
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>>108471020
>windows
No.
>pajeet
Weird accusations there. Where exactly did anything in my post sound Indian to you?
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>>108471024
debian stable is what I'm used to on my VPS but for some reason all my linux friends seem to think it's a bad idea for a desktop distro, I'm too dumb to know why. I'll look into NixOS and flatpak, ty anon
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>>108470314
Attempt a removal and see what your package management says about it.
>>108471015
Are there any differences between distros regarding programming?
>>108471040
You want updooted graphics stack for a desktop.
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>>108471040
They'd say it's a bad idea because the packages in the actual Debian repo are behind compared to rolling distros like Arch. Doing what I said basically allows your system to not need to be updated very often at the base level but you can get the most up-to-date programs you rely on instead using Flatpak or Nix instead of Debian's repos.
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>>108471056
Only elite hacker distros like mint have gcc and python. as? Yeah nah you need to be a hacker to install that. Super elite hackers install omarchy so they can use objdump.
Don't even get me started on compiling .net or c#. Niggas be wildin
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>>108466548
>Is upwards of 30 bucks a month too much for you?
30 bucks times 12 months is uhhh 360 a year
i will survive
>>108468469
yea i already have the hardware otherwise i wouldnt consider it
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>>108466798
Text rendering in Windows was always bad compared to Linux
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>>108471015
Arch is a DIY distro. Nobara is a distro that's ready to use. If you want best of both worlds go for CachyOS.
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>>108465917
>what are thin clients
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>>108465917
To be more helpful than my last reply, Windows Terminal Server has existed since '98
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>>108471193
yeah, what ARE thin clients?
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>>108470958
>Unknown Packager
It's the NSA, isn't it?
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>>108471208
NTA but he's using the word wrong, network booting or remote desktopping itself doesn't count as a thin client. Thin client means you got a computer without a hard drive that specifically only does network booting.
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Any tips on software like flex launcher? I have a laptop running Ubuntu underneath my tv, currently connected with an HDMI cable and a keyboard w/ trackpad
I want to make it more of a "TV experience" so that my girlfriend can just use a regular Xbox controller or something to launch Netflix / Jellyfin etc. Any suggestions?
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>>108465789
These old DE's are beautiful to look at, but usability-wise they were almost always hell. Believe me, you don't want to click through every single little button, you don't want to manually stretch and fit windows, etc.
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>>108471596
Don't underestimate her. If she can't use a mouse to click on netflix in your browser...
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WTF is botan2?
This thing wasting time being rebuild?
Is it safe to delete it?
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>>108471743
coding library programmers use to handle security like end-to-end encryption, passwords, and making sure internet connections are secure, without having to invent the process from scratch themselves every time they want to code something that uses that feature.
>This thing wasting time being rebuild?
Try again in English
>Is it safe to delete it?
I assume so unless you have a program or programs that are dependent on it. Botan 2 is also deprecated since Botan 3.

Also I think Botan means peony (a type of flower) in Japanese
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>>108471227
Should've specified, thats stats for packages on my system. Someone else might have more packages maintained by another person. As for the Unknown one, in my case its a AUR package.
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>>108469324
>>108469113
>It's apparently considered "good design"
Yeah, it's an "accessibility feature" but it has only been a source of problems for me.
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>>108471773
Thanks.
What about pyside2 and python-shiboken2?
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>>108471743
This is called the Anavar/Deca Body.
Anavar is so mild that it doesn't do much especially in males.
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>>108471927
>no willy
dropped
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What's easy to use and learn program to generate STL files or create something in 3D to print with a 3D printer for linux?
What about slicer programs for linux?
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>>108471974
>slicer
Orca-slicer is the state of the art and available for pretty much everything.
>generate STL files
Depends on what kind of stuff you're trying to draw. For parametric CAD you're probably gonna want to learn FreeCAD now, rather than learning something else only to have to migrate to it a few years down the line.
If you want to draw more "artistic" stuff like on your pic, learn how to use blender.
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>>108471188
>Nobara is a distro that's ready to use
if you don't like GUI package management that is
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>>108471987
>artistic
Nothing like that.
More like pic, It's mostly custom parts for obsolete stuff.
Would FreeCAD offer these?
What about those fancy stuff like built-in hinges and moving parts?
>Orca-slicer
Does it offer variable layer height, walls size, base and top options, etc?
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>>108472016
OrcaSlicer is a fork of Bambu Studio that also includes features that PrusaSlicer offers.
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>>108471905
I don't even need to look those up to know those are python libs, same as above.
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>>108472016
Orca offers everything you could possibly want. Most all modern slicers are forks of the original slic3r, including the commercial ones. Due to based license, they're all open source and orca gathers all the improvements from all of them, plus some of their own. Fine stuff.
Only thing of note of that the 3d printer jew wants you so use their own slicers and will try to fuck up orca with stuff like their html webGUI not being accessible to it, until someone finds a way to crack it. It currently doesn't work on the new Creality models, for example, but everything else works.
>pic
What you want is parametric CAD. Most options are made to work on microsoft but there's some you can force to work on linux like Fusion 360 and onshape is cloud based so it works on anything (the free plan allows anyone to steal your designs too, because you are the product). FreeCAD is still behind SolidWorks (the current industry standard, but rather stagnant) but it's catching up. It suffers from a community of devs developing for other devs like most FOSS, but they're improving. It has addons and plugins for most anything, either OOTB or via their addon manager. Some functions are still finicky, their assembler is a mess and it likes to shit itself if you abuse some of their more fragile tools (helices and long polar patterns with lots of repetitions). Some people complain that it isn't as intuitive as other options.
Pick your poison, but if development keeps going at the current pace FreeCAD is probably gonna take over as the industry standard in 5 or so years.
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>>108471905
>>108472074 (Me)
I looked up Pyside 2, are you running a QT system? If you are keep that. The other one creates C++ binds for Python which may or may not be important, look up if your distro has C++ in it, it definitely won't be in the Kernel but it might be in another layer above the kernel.
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Can someone explain to me why apps and utilities are in the same ring? Was it a mistake or am I missing something?
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>>108472089
>QT system?
No, I'm using xfce
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Odd question, but is there a way to clone SSD/HDD over LAN/wifi?
I have old laptop with 320 GB HDD and want to upgrade to newer [Citation Needed] laptop.
The old laptop is running arch with KDE on BTRFS and want everything to migrate to newer laptop, since both are just using Intel with no nvidia GPU it shouldn't be any issues.
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How do you synchronize folders across devices?

I have a NixOS PC, macOS with Nix, and a NixOS VPS.

The main idea was to have a single directory tree across all 3 devices. My username was "a" everywhere, and I kept application cache and data in the /home/a/a/99.vault/ directory. This was mostly for local use, so that when reinstalling, I wouldn't have to log back into Discord, for example. Meaning, I had /home/a/a/99.vault/89.vesktop/vesktop which then symlinked to .config/vesktop (thanks to Home Manager, this was all automated). As a result, I just saved the ~/a directory and everything was fine. And it was the same for all applications, like the browser, Steam, Signal...

However, I also had zsh, tmux, nvim, Obsidian, pass, 96.nix (this directory contained all my configs so I could change them on my laptop and later sit at my PC and have the updated config already there)... which I wanted to sync. Therefore, I initialized a repository in 99.vault (I host my own Forgejo and Nextcloud on my VPS, so I created a repo there), specifying everything I needed in the .gitignore. I also created a service to monitor this repository, constantly checking for updates and pulling/pushing if necessary. This way, making changes on 1 device would update all 3.

!/85.gnupg/
!/87.password-store/
!/95.ssh/
!/96.nix/
!/97.obsidian/

But recently, I decided to try flake-parts, import-tree, disko, impermanence... Because of this, I completely rewrote the config on my main machine from scratch. As it turns out, now everything is on /persist. It solved the problem by automatically keeping the things I actually need separate... And the need to recreate the previous tree is gone...

At this point, I started wondering if my previous method was actually "correct" and good. What do you advise? How do you synchronize across your devices?

https://rentry.co/un8rvwhf
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>>108472226
Clonezilla does that.
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>>108472235
Syncthing.
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>>108469565
IceCat if you don't mind compiling your own browser, I know Guix has binaries for, but I'm not sure about other distros.
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>>108472259
IceCat isn't compatible with a lot of basic extensions, like recent versions of ublock origin.
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>>108472226
Reading up about it it seems that you can through means like piping use SSH to send a read-only snapshot of your btrfs subvolumes to the newer computer and then make them read-write again and setup the fstab correctly.
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>>108472226
I'm not sure what you mean.
You can dd an image of your drive onto the new laptop via ssh or socat and pipe it into the other drive.
You'd have to boot from some other medium if you do it this way, since both drives cannot be mounted then.
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>>108472109
they're both in userspace, technically there's no difference
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How do I change the colour of text highlights on firefox? Pic related, I want it to be blue.
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>install fedora 43 workstation on a potato pc
>install brave
>brave freezes the entire OS whenever I open it
>tried installing via terminal instead of the store
>same crash
what the hell
is there anything like ctrl alt del on linux instead of having to reboot
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>>108472502
Then why bring up both when you can just call it userspace or applications or utilities or apps/utilities?
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>>108472537
run it through terminal and it'll give you an exit/crash error, but if you have a tater pc its most likely running out of ram.
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>>108472571
>run it through terminal and it'll give you an exit/crash error,
the thing is as soon as i open brave i can't do anything
>running out of ram.
8GB and firefox works well
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>>108472543
excellent question anon
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>>108472605
>the thing is as soon as i open brave i can't do anything
So the whole OS crashes or just brave? If its just brave it doesn't matter if you can't do anything wine will automatically spit out a crash error code after the fact.
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>>108472649
>wine
Sorry, I've been troubleshooting wine for too long that I called the terminal wine without even thinking about it lol.
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>>108472637
what is a utility anyway? Like, printer drivers?
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>>108472649
the whole OS, then i need to reboot it. ive tried installing google chrome flatpak and the same thing happens.
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Devuan won btw
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>>108472670
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>>108472537
ctrl alt f3 will stick you in a terminal if your system isn't completely hosed. there are also some magic key combinations for the kernel but I never had to use them
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>>108472787
s/Devuan/Artix/
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>>108472798
huh, I don't have a utilities section
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>>108472854
Both can win. Artix for desktop, devuan for server.
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>>108472931
Based. One struggle.
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just dusted spare pc (i7-6700, 16GB, RX470) and decided it'd be fun to try something different so
>installed arch
>btrfs with subvolumes
>luks encryption
>cosmic desktop

let's see how it goes. I don't like to distrohop, I feel arch has everything for any desktop and debian for any server
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>>108472786
Ok, the fix is opening chromium browsers with --disable-gpu
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>>108473183
>I feel arch has everything for any desktop and debian for any server
Correct opinion
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>>108473341
Nvidia? If you didnt install the proprietary drivers then try them and SEE what happens.
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>>108473402
I don't know why this thing decided to capitalize a word. Anyway, fedora has another quirk as well, iirc it doesn't have a swap partition nor file by default, at least on the spins I've tried, so you can run OOM. Maybe check that out later, depends on your usage though.
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>>108472276
The extensions I use work, including the latest version of ublock.
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>>108472014
>Nobara has no GUI package manager
This is only true if you redefine what a GUI is and what a package manager is.
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>>108466798
What's far worse is that the default cursor for text selection is white with no border so you literally can't see it on white text boxes. It's supposed to invert when that happens but it takes forever and it's annoying af. I've never seen anyone else complaining about it either. Makes me feel like I'm taking crazy pills.
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>>108465789
>install artix kde
>shitty custom theme and weird ass panel layout
>remove all that and update the system
>wayland session is blank screen and cursor
>chatgpt walks me through removing qt5 packages still installed
>wayland session works but screen is at lowest brightness, can't change brightness and display configuration doesn't even work in system settings
>kscreen-doctor -o doesn't work
wow, you guys are such fucking niggers. I'm going back to endeavour.
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What are the upsides of tiling WMs over floating windows?
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>>108473713
read the bottom and updoot also you're yucky
https://forum.artixlinux.org/index.php/topic,9404.msg56307.html#new
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>>108473765
Tiling, duh. Also let's you manage more programs comfortably, particularly through workspaces, if you have that need. Keep in mind moving a window to wherever you want takes at most half a second and you can have workspaces assigned to different monitors.
If all you do is browse the internet and play games it most likely won't make a difference.
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>>108466299
It will never be a time to do that. SystemD needs forked. SystemD alternatives aren't. SystemD offers a featureset that makes the competition obsolete.
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>>108473713
Does your plaintext logs distro come with apparmor set up ootb?
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>>108473835
was meant for
>>108472931
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>>108473642
>ublock origin
>noscript
>sponsorblock
>unhook
>h264ify
>localCDN
>ctrl+number to switch tabs
>tampermonkey or equivalent
Do those work? I want to switch to it, but last I tried some of those didn't. I think the issue was sponsorblock.
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>>108473789
world/kguiaddons 6.24.0-3.1 (kf6) [installed]
Addons to QtGui
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>>108473877
>ublock origin
>sponsorblock
>localCDN
>tampermonkey or equivalent
I have these, except I use violentmonkey instead of tampermonkey.
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>>108470978
you can swap to the kde login manager extremely easily and then remove sddm, thats what i did. I also have an arch install using archinstall
https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Plasma_Login_Manager
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>>108473713
>>wayland session works but screen is at lowest brightness
I can change the brightness (with brightnessctl, your user must be in the video group) but by default, when I log in, it sets the brightness to zero. And very occasionally it resets back to zero as well. Any fix for that?
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>>108473835
>>108473844
I made Grok think for the artix users.
https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtMw_44b4bc98-a4b3-4bc9-b283-5b69eaa28c48
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>>108473995
use arch instead
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>>108473985
I'll give it another shot then.
>no binary option in the repos
I'll give it another shot in 2 or 3 hours once it finishes compiling...
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>>108474031
>I'll give it another shot in 2 or 3 hours once it finishes compiling...
Yeah, that sucks, I wish more distros had the binary in their repos. There was that guy that was making binaries then he got cancer. I hope he's doing alright.
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>>108473998
Remember when they found that obvious backdoor in bash a few years ago and everyone was acting like it was just a normal vulnerability?
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>>108473987
>an arch install using archinstall
you certainly can install arch by using archinstall, but why would your arch install be using archinstall?
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>>108474072
https://codeberg.org/problems_available/archinstall_configs/src/branch/Master/home
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>>108474077
? That's not answering the question
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>>108474077
Is it still working?
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>>108474092
You have to use your critical thinking skills to ascertain my implication.
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>>108474113
Yes, just fine, thank you.
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>>108474072
listen man i just wanted to be cheeky with my wording :(
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>>108474072
I misunderstood the question. I thought you were asking me why, on arch, I would even use archinstall. I thought you were just being a smartass or something. No, you use archinstall from an installed arch system for one of two reasons. You are using a full arch recovery system booted from usb instead of the monthly iso, or you are installing arch to an external device from your main system. Say, for instance, to make a recovery system/installer.
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>>108474140
Or a third reason, to prepare a user_configuration.json.
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>>108474140
>>108474148
naruhodo
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>Solus installation broke again
My karma for all the times I shit on fedora/pop os...

I need a new distro to swap to with secure boot support
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>>108474072
i use claude to install arch for me. i am a simple man.
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I have small business and want to make short videos for social media.
What's the best way to do so on linux?
Or should i just use whatever my phone offer?
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>>108474459
Did you also ask it to generate a password for you?
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>>108474460
Well, it's kind of hard dragging around an entire computer just to use the webcam so this might be one of those rare situations where a phone might actually be better option, if you can't use a proper camera...
For video editing you have kdenlive and openshot. I find the later more intuive.
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>>108474535
Well obviously you haven't heard about OBS plugin to use phone as webcam.
>openshot
Thanks.
Something like it, like to add a photo overlay and text I guess, and some transitions etc
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>>108465789
Does anyone have any idea why nothing can connect to my hotspot from bazzite? I thought it was just some incompatibility due to it being linux but not even my steam deck or mint installation can connect to it.
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Anything to browse subreddits to goon?
I know of this
https://github.com/redlib-org/redlib
Which is just webui front end, but I want something more gooner oriented like just pre-loading videos/images and such.
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What browser do you anons use?
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>>108474591
Firefox unless web page is broken in which case I use Microsoft Edge (purely because websites will be compatible with it not because it's a good browser although to be honest it's not completely terrible)
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>>108474591
Firefox always, If you don't like anything about it there are a million forks of it like waterfox or librewolf
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>>108474604
okay thanks I just get firefox then
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>>108474504
no, i told it the password i wanted.
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>>108474591
brave because i am not a tranny
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>>108474591
Floop because it's been folded 1000 times.
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>>108474546
Both kdenlive and openshot can do that.
If you really want to you can try learning kden as it seems to have some additional features but I just can't be arsed, personally. Openshot is pretty straight forward and can do all you asked.
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>>108474077
> "timezone": "America/New_York",
> "version": "3.0.15"
>timezone": "America/New_York
>new york
>jew york
anon...
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>>108474645
Why not just use capcut?
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>>108474060
Aaaaaaaand.... it failed to compile.
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>>108474658
>AI
>phonefaggotry
>made in china
>AI
Can't tell. Maybe it has something to do with AI?
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>>108474591
Google Chrome
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>>108474460
For video edition most people use davinci once they go past the basic needs. It might be a bit finicky depending on your chosen distro though, there's a shared lib they use that I believe is outdated in some distros.
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>>108474591
Firefox. I tried some Chromum skins like Brave but the adblockers are worse and the UI is dogshit in all of them
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>>108465789
I'm having issues with my ASUS laptop
I'm on Debian Sid and I update semi-regularly, but since a couple of months I'm having issues with my laptop's sleep state
>It wakes up on its own when plugged in
>Sometimes it reboots instead of waking up when I open the lid
>Other times it outright refuses to wake up until I forcibly shut it down with a power button long press
>And sometimes it doesn't turn on the screen unless I change TTY to either re-launch X11 or reboot the system
Does it have to do with some ACPI fuckery? I didn't seem to find related options on the BIOS
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>>108474661
What distro? This guide may be helpful, it's a little old, but it still works.
https://twomorecents.org/complete-guide-compiling-icecat/.
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>>108474650
I may live in the same time zone as new york, but I'm from the most based state in the union.
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>>108474672
>>108474819
thanks for giving all those recommendations
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>>108474822
if it was working fine for awhile and this is a sudden "last couple of months" then its probably a linux kernel regression.
go yell at linus
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>>108474848
nice try, rabbi
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>>108474866
Please stop. You're tempting me to post the freckles on my no no parts.
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I'm using EOS for like 2-3 years now, it's okay but I feel like rolling distros aren't really my thing.

Any advice on what I could use instead? (I usually use KDE on all distros)
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Be honest with me /g/, is it a meme?
How much pain and suffering am I going to put myself through removing systemd?
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>>108475036
>Be honest with me /g/, is it a meme?
yes
>How much pain and suffering am I going to put myself through removing systemd?
However much it takes for you to port all your stuff to a different init, and then deal with whatever compatibility issues.
You're gonna want to set up apparmor and set chattr +a on all your log files, since you're running a distro without systemD, you'll have plain text logs, where any trace of unauthorized usage of your system can be removed without a trace. So, you're left to hope that the RCE isn't that bad, and doesn't include privesc, if you don't have apparmor set up and chattr +a on your logs.
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>>108475036
I ran the conversion script, it worked but also broke a couple of things and I had to fix it from a recovery usb.
It is usable but with some weird quirks and little to no documentation on some areas. Do not attempt to reinvent the wheel, go with openrc. No other init has as much documentation as systemd but the only one with some documentation is openrc, pick that one.
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>>108475091
Do not listen to this person. In fact, set up apparmor on a systemD distro and run your browser from a VM sandbox.
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how do i make my puppt linux look like that?
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>>108475036
People shilling non-systemD distros are setting us up for an RCE. I don't trust the future of systemD, but I don't trust the past that it replaced, either.
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>>108475036
nah it's not a meme but you're about to find out why 99% of the people who seethe about it just keep using it anyway
systemd is genuinely bloated as fuck, pid 1 does way too much, Poettering's NIH autism turned it into a whole shadow OS, and the "everything is a unit" philosophy is cancer for minimalism/auditability. valid gripes.
but removing it from an existing Arch/Endeavour install (guessing that's the logo)?
you're looking at medium-to-high suffering tier.

network stuff (systemd-resolved, networkd)
udev rules
logging
dbus
desktop environment integration
random services that assume it's there

will all need manual babysitting or replacement. you'll probably be in recovery mode at least once. the conversion scripts exist but they're janky and you'll still have weird edge cases forever.
easier path:
just reinstall on Artix (Arch without systemd), Devuan (Debian without it), or Void/Gentoo with OpenRC/runit/s6 if you actually want to go full ricer. zero pain, same packages, you keep your rice.
if you're just mildly annoyed at resolved breaking DNS again, you can disable the parts you hate without full removal. full purge is only worth it if you're ideologically committed or have a specific use case (server hardening, embedded, etc.).
most anons who post the "systemd bad" memes are still daily-driving it. decide if you want to be the 1% or just another keyboard warrior.
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>>108475161
>ideologically committed
Money, Ideology, Compromise, Ego
What part of this do you people not understand? Do you have a septum piercing?
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>>108475169
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>>108475161
There is no difference between an ideological commitment and a commitment to ignorance and myopia. People are led by the nose by four things.
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>>108475178
You programmed an IA to gas you up and agree with you. That's embarrassing. SystemD phone home today?
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>>108475190
its grok you dumby
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>>108475161
>but removing it from an existing Arch/Endeavour install (guessing that's the logo)?
That's the Artix logo. Obviously removing systemd from a vanilla Arch install is a pain in the ass.
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>>108475190
see the chain here: https://grok.com/share/bGVnYWN5LWNvcHk_79071f6b-79ed-45ea-88ff-8ca2370e9d76
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I’m losing my damn mind trying to fix this visual glitch at the upper left corner of my screen. This began when I was ricing my system and ran someone random Hyprland dot repo. I ended up deleting most of their settings, including the Hyprland. I messed further with my settings and this shit has been plaguing me for nearly a month. Even after countless reboots and cleared caches. Turned off the Plasma Shell and restored to defaults for multiple settings.

It only shows up on the desktop and is oddly interactive. As you can see in the picture the Application Toolbar cuts into it. The visual glitch also disappears when Screen Peek, Edit Mode, and Overview are active. Some experimentation revealed that disabling Rounded Edges gets rid of the circle, but keeps the white rectangle.
I’m running Fedora 43 KDE Plasma with AMD graphic cards only, if this helps.
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>>108475200
It's just init=/some/other/init as long as you don't care about re-building all of the user-space that was specially compiled and linked against libsystemd (which is why distros like Devuan and Artix exist, they don't even want libsystemd even if Systemd is itself inactive)
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>>108474608
is there a firefox fork that has history in a seperate tab instead of a sidebar
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>>108475178
The calculus is simple jackass. The alternate inits are vulnerable as fuck to any RCE from a non-protected environment, which most users won't ever care to configure. You might call that a backdoor.
SystemD (not even systemD most likely, but some other daemon that will have to be installed on every legally compliant system, regardless of init, that will have to query some piece of data, regardless of init, and interact with a webserver.) will phone home in the future.
That leaves forking whatever thing actually does the phoning home by proactively watching and/or forking the affected projects when necessary.
The other available options are obviously traps.
>>108475210
I don't care about your habit of self-aggrandizement.
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>>108475221
Also Artix has a dummy libsystemd for compatibility, if you need it.
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>>108474591
LibreWolf for everything other than shopping. Brave for anything that involves money because I don't trust the security of Firefox and I don't trust LibreWolf's aggressive anti-tracking to not break something.
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Is encrypted boot + automatic boot menu snapshots functional yet? I'm getting conflicting answers on whether GRUB can do this or not.
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>>108475217
kek i wonder how this happens
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>>108474591
Librewolf. Depozzed firefox without going full schizo librejs. Recent update added a per site webgl popup which has been very nice.
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>>108475247
Snapshots in the boot menu are generated by some snapper plugin if using BTRFS. I see no reason why that shouldn't be able to make multiple boot entries for a single full disk encrypted setup.
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so what is it about systemd that makes some anons so anal about it?
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>>108475282
Ideological commitments and egotistical whining.
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>>108475282
Read about it.
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>>108475282
Extremely complicated system for no reason in a lot of cases. Service management should be simple and shouldn't do anything except that. It shouldn't do DNS or logging, etc, because that's not its job.
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>>108475295
thing #2
>>108475297
thing #1

These people are this easy.
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>>108475307
I just stated why. Go look at say Busybox init for what's actually needed to make a system boot. It's not a lot.
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>>108475311
>7
Does that keep and RCE released by the feds from spying on you and yeeting itself from your logs because you were a common idiot who installed Artix for fashion points?
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>>108475323
Even better, it doesn't require logging at all if you don't want it. You can send it all to > /dev/null where the glowies will never be able to read it.

Systemd requires Journald as a non-optional required component for the complete functioning of its software suite.
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>>108475282
Adds everything and the kitchen sink to init so it's bloated as fuck and has a giant attack surface. Goes against UNIX software philosophy breaking modularity all over the place. Written by a retarded nigger named Lennart Poettering who was also responsible for pulseaudio aka why audio didn't work on Linux for over a decade. Was railroaded into major distributions by the kikes at Red Hat. If you ignore all that it does work well but at what cost?
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>>108475331
That's not better. But you're a propagandist and you know that are are using an ideological appeal to freedom instead of the fact that that's worse than plaintext logs and now you'll never know that somebody rooted you.
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>>108475331
>Systemd requires Journald as a non-optional
Good.
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>>108475337
You can write a simple script to periodically scrape /proc and email you the contents of every root process on the system with sendmail. This is simple, beautiful and extensible. Something a binary logging system that re-implements its own cat command will never know.
https://man.archlinux.org/man/systemd-cat.1.en
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>>108475250
No idea, that’s why I’m asking here after searching KDE forums and consulting unhelpful LLMs. I’m kinda desperate.
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>>108475333
>0$
>0 frustrations
>0 unneeded services to handle my networking. No ahavi or unbound.
What was that about lines of code? I couldn't hear you over the sound of you breathing through your mouth.
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>>108475350
Does an artix fashionista do that?
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>those pesky init systems that just work, don't log anything, have a minimal codebase and tiny attack surface are actually evil and have vulnerabilities that allow glowies to read your non existent logs
>but this huge bloated piece of shit that creeps its way into every single aspect of your OS is actually safe, as long as you provide your date of birth, facial scan and digital ID to it
How much are they paying those shills? I thought the zucc had some money to burn.
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>>108475354
If you want a monolithic clusterfuck go use windows.
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>>108475350
They call needing to do that a dark pattern where I'm from.
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>>108475368
>those pesky init systems that just work
you dont have to lie
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>>108475368
I guess you have so much practice spicing things up because you eat your shit every day.
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basedstemd
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>>108475393
Based on what?
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>>108475402
slaughterfest
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>>108475368
>init systems that just work
name 3
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>>108475419
OpenRC, runit and dinit.
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>>108475419
S6, Shepherd, Busybox
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Hey, I'll use Grok as a source.
https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtMw_9cf877a8-5d29-432c-a340-02bc938a6c3a
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It was fucking xwaylandvideobridge causing the visual glitch. Nobody has yet to fix this damn issue for almost two years.
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Is vrr broken in x11 specifically in multi monitor setup? My main monitor refresh rate always caps at max but if I unplug the second monitor it works as intended
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>>108475672
On x11 refresh rate caps at highest common value among your screens, ie monitor1=240 monitor2=60 then both will work at 60. No clue what happens if both have vrr but I doubt it'd work correctly if it's even an option.
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i want to mount an NTFS partition at startup
it is not the partition where windows is installed (C:)
it seems that ntfs3 is a lot faster than ntfs-3g
should i use ntfs3?
what mount options do you recommend?
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>>108476118
Yes you should ntfs3 as the driver. Use options like "uid=1000,gid=1000" so you actually own the mounted drive and "noatime" for less writes and more speed.
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>>108475672
>Is vrr broken in x11
Yes
>Is multimonitor broken in X11
Yes
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>>108475333
>Goes against UNIX software philosophy
How does UNIX philosophy help me jack off and play video games?
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>>108473660
Discover doesn't work, end of discussion
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Will we ever be able to install SteamOS? I know it's just Arch, but I trust Valve with my system config more than myself, specially for gayming
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>>108476500
I mean it could always happen, it just hasn't happened yet. Bazzite at least still exists if you want something similar.
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>>108476199
well fuck me guess i just have to go back to kde wayland
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Did anyone fiddle with both tlp and tuned? Any difference in battery life? I've been looking for alternatives.
Sometimes I force tlp into battery mode to keep the temps low but even if I force it to ac mode once again, the performance is still limited as if it was in battery mode until I reboot.
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why do people use a virtual machine, why not just install the distro normally?
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>>108476625
Why would you install normally? Why not just use a virtual machine?
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>>108475247
FSBootMenu does exactly that
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I'm trying to keep a functional AI setup while still retaining the ability to passthrough one of my GPUs to a VM.

I've got two cards; a 3090 and a 5070ti. On the default setup, I would like for both these cards to be available for the host (for local inference and shit). When I decide I'm done generating porn, I would like to decouple the 5070ti off the system to be used for my windows VM. Can this be done seamlessly without having to dual boot an OS with distinct setups?
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>>108475368
ok give me a nice package that does service management, timers, logging and all the things systemd does and I'll implement it.
Dinit looked nice but didn't work out of the box (can't just ./configure && make && make install) -> not interested.
t. distro dev
>>108475297
It's easy to use desu.
>>108474591
Firefox because Chromium would take entire day to compile on Gentoo.
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>>108474591
Firefox with betterfox user.js
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Hyprland or Niri?
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>>108476163
what directory do you recommend for mounting it?
or it doesn matter?
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>>108477239
It really doesn't matter, but a lot use a folder within /mnt to keep it clean.
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>>108477239
Somewhere under /mnt, such as /mnt/somewhere. Someone here will likely argue for (/run)/media but that's wrong, it's for the automounter.
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>>108476994
Scrollable tiling looks awesome
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For those of you who use encryption, how "complex" is your setup? Basic FDE, or detached header and /boot on a separate USB?
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>>108477287
/boot isn't encrypted, everything else is on one encrypted partition
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>>108476796
>It's easy to use desu.
Until you have issues with it and need to dive into hundreds and thousands of lines of C code to understand what's going on with it.
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>>108477299
ramp up your problem solving skills
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>>108477311
System administrator != Computer scientist

Yes, you can solve it but you're making the bar much higher for no real reason. With other simpler init systems that are more modular it is way easier to identify the component at issue and patch it to not do that.
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>>108477239
anywhere you like, but a common convention is /mnt/<label> for permanent (fstab) mounts and /media/<label> for ephemeral (like usb drives) mounts
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>>108477329
Yet nobody has had this problem in the ~20 years systemd has been the standard for every enterprise distro that matters.

If you encounter a real bug in any service manager, it's going to be some arcane shit that you probably need to be an expert to fix. It's not going to be, oh they forgot to quote $@. Someone would've caught that in the previous 5~10 years of live use.
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>>108477376
>Yet nobody has had this problem in the ~20 years systemd has been the standard for every enterprise distro that matters.
That's not true. Are you seriously suggesting nobody has ever needed to troubleshoot Systemd?

People just get on with their job and accept it because that's what you're getting paid to do. You get paid the big bucks to untangle that mess. That's job security.
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>>108477329
>With other simpler init systems that are more modular
systemd is more complex than it needs to be, but it is modular as fuck. What's your actual point?
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>>108477263
>>108476994
I've been a tilehead for a while so ymmv but I got cognitive overload trying to use niri. Was just too foreign to me and I felt like I couldn't navigate quickly to where I wanted to be without also using my eyes a lot (which isn't an issue of you assign a workspace for each $thing in hyprland)
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>>108466063
finally found the solution.
add hyprland windowrule with 'render_unfocused on'.

jfc, this took way too long to fix.
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>>108476994
hyprland is more mature than niri but the dev changes lots of stuff and breaks configs every month. it now has scrolling layouts, though.
niri's scrolling is more mature than hyprlands, but i've heard its got more graphical issues, especially for gaymen. its based on the cosmic DEs compositor library which is seeing development but can be buggy.
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>>108477450
Yeah, really modular with those requirements on DBus broker and Journald.
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Thanks, Claude! It's always Israel!
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>>108477562
I like Claude. Probably the best closed LLM besides Gemini.
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>hear people say garuda is indian
>look it up
>co founders are german and indian
>the indian isn't even in active development for it atm
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>>108476631
my os is vm
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New thread: >>108477718
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>>108477720
>things never happened
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>>108476223
>Discover doesn't work
Fake news?
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>>108477380
I'm suggesting service managers in general don't experience non-expert fixable problems in an enterprise setting. Unless you're talking about individual start/stop scripts or unit files. In which case systemd is less obtuse than most.
>People just get on with their job and accept it because that's what you're getting paid to do. You get paid the big bucks to untangle that mess. That's job security.
Nah that's why they put up with sysv init. You have a guaranteed regular instance of processes requiring manual intervention. That's guaranteed job security for thousands of midwits.



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