Will AI replace software engineers?Serious answers only.
The day can't come soon enough
>>108466120It will replace 10 Kode with Karly boot camp grads with 1 or 2 paid and supervised bcs interns using an in house rag setup.
>>108466120it will turn the top 5% of code monkeys into someone who is able to do the work of a whole team (all copy paste web framework nonsense) it will have minimal impact on computer scientists and software engineers [sic]
>>108466120yes it will also we're full please fuck off
Will? It already did. The field is 1/3rd the size it was in 2022 and it's projected to shrink even more soon.
>>108466120Not replace, but what will happen is that the price for all software will trend towards essentially zero, meaning ultimately only those software/tech companies that own valuable data or have regulatory moat will survive, all others will be economically unviable in the long term meaning probably 95% of currently employed people around tech will be made redundant. Everyone talking about replacement doesn't realize that the danger is not your CEO prompting a PR, it's everyone with a Claude subscription being able to compete and undermine the economic value of your product. The irony is that this was always the end goal of retards like Stallman and his FOSS retardation, turning everyone in software into poor foot fungus eating nobodies, only now that will happen and some companies will get obscenely rich off his retardation.
>>108466867>2022Crazy how the 20million tech job diversity fuck fest of the Biden era lines up perfectly with this ai mass layoff story arc, huh.
>>108466120>claude goes down>entire company crippled to a haltdont think so
>>108466912Yeah and on top of that the fucking field was bloated.
>>108466120No. Next question.
>>108466934And VASTLY over compensated. Whole thing needed a controlled burn to return to a normal amount of competent white dudes and chinks doing real work for reasonable compensation versus 10000 oogabooga women making $250k for tech writing in ebonics sitting across from 25000 zoomer girl boss coders that decided by committee that moduli operands are a symbol of male oppression
I don't work at FAGMAN or am a senior engineer at Nvidia or something. I work at a bogstandard Europoor industrial company that also happens to do software.Most of my coworkers are staunchly anti-AI because they tried ChatGPT in early 2023 and were unimpressed.They say they do "real" work meanwhile most of their code is buggy, unstable, ugly and non-performant.We used to (and still do, in fact) hire interns for 2 months to do a task that Claude Code could shit out in 5 minutes, and it would look better and be better tested.I am in a dept of 10 people, I am not saying AI could replace us entirely, but keep 2 people with a 20 Euros Claude subscription each (wouldn't even need the 200 Euros one with how slow our output is) as a force multiplier and I am 99% sure you would achieve the same result.Maybe it's not like that if you work at breakneck speed on the edge of technology (we certainly don't)
>>108466120>Serious answers onlyNo. The current "AI" is a regurgitation machine, it cannot think, it can only recognize patterns and return responses based on user input. It will replace outsourcing to Indian at best.
>>108466984>EuropoorDon't you guys get a 3 hour baguette and cheese break daily when you're not on one of your 120 days of paid vacation?
>>108466257This.
>>108466120Look at this stupid fucking frog. Why does it capture the hearts of so many (presumably) brown niggerfaggot posters?God I hate frogs.
>>108467012Basically yes. Although ironically the French are the only ones who even manage to keep the last foothold (or pinky toe) in the LLM race with Mistral (Germany and UK basically just gave up on even having any models)
>>108467001Spot on for the most part but it is highly debatable about whether "AI" can recognize patterns.
>>108467047>Basically yesI'm both jealous and disgusted.
>>108467012>baguettesWe made that up to make fun of americans, who would seriously be stupid enough to believe long bread is real?
>>108467066It's more like 30 days of vacation an 30-45 minutes mandatory break (but the break doesn't count towards your 8 hours)
>>108466120they will try, but it won't work.
>>108467078What about berets, stripped shirts and pencil mustaches? Was it all a lie?
>>108467047there's just no rush for this in europe, since it's perceived as something hype-driven. as of mistral, they're in their own b2b niche, rather than consumer-oriented.
>>108466120Yes. In fact. AI has already replaced many programmers in different fields.It’s a shame that codetrans learned to code and now it’s a useless skill. Meanwhile vibeGODS keep coding and creating stuff for cheap.
No. But software engineers that effectively use AI will replace those who don't use AI (or use it poorly).
>>108467114Next you'll be telling me you believe the Eiffel tower is real
>>108467130same cope i hear from everyone everytime we get passed in something>that's actually a GOOD thingit's OK to sometimes not keep up with Chinese or USA advancements (and we certainly don't have to copy everything) but to simultaneosly be proud about being behind is just foolish
>>108467154It’s true though. Now jeets using ai can do the same job as a white developer.Face it, coders are obsolete and useless now.
>>108467001>it cannot think, it can only recognize patterns99.9% of human thinking is just recognizing patterns. Unless you are a top 0.1% genius, you are not actually inventing anything truly novel.
>use kiro to write requirements>let it draft design doc for me>discuss options and refine docs>agent code>submit pr and docswhat I did today. not sure if I'll be replaced
>>108467170Jeets can now produce more jeetslop than ever at record speed.In a way that is indeed terrifying.
>>108467195It doesn’t matter. Big corpos use ai to sell more stuff for cheap, if you cannot produce shit cheaper then you will be left behind. AI is here to stay
>>108466120We've seen this before. History shows that machines replace human labor as soon as it becomes possible and profitable. Software engineers can call what they do "art" or a "craft" all they want, but the corporate execs don't care about that, they care about the bottom line.Sure, you'll still need the machine operators to babysit the AI, but the era of expensive "software craftsmen" is about to come to an end.
>>108466120>claude --dangerously-skip-permissionsyeah it's coding time
Recently, Claude has put together a rudimentary C compiler with $20,000, but a current AI says that currently AI prefers to work on small things like hacking together device drivers that only need to *work*. Based on this estimation I estimate that there's still 5-10 years to go before full automation, if they can keep the scaling and training up but I have my doubts. I estimate that in two years someone can build a compiler for $200 but then something fundamental prevents further progress.
>>108466867There was a massive swe hiring bubble during COVID when everyone was stuck inside, not working, and just viewing ads on web apps 16 hours per day.Lockdowns ending popped the bubble, although AI didn't help that either.
>>108467012>3 hour baguette and cheese break daily>120 days of paid vacationyou sound very jealous burgerbro
>>108467682The claim that Claude made a C compiler is borderline fraud. They had a team of experienced engineers hold Claude's hand through the entire thing and tested sections of code by inserting them into the GNU C compiler.The process requires you to have a team of people who could have written the compiler from scratch and an already working compiler to replicate.
>>108466120Any job can be replaced if you stop measuring results.
>>108467726it also was complete dogshit and failed extremely basic tasks, first issue was that it couldn't compile hello world example from their readme because they missed up standard paths, another issue was hardcoding 1st jan 2025 as compile date everywhere. Not to mention it needed gcc itself to work in the final result.2 weeks, with anthropic engineers, and $20k in api costs, to fail at generating the code it was trained on, along with tens of compiler textbooks and references.
The thing that many retarded people fail to understand is the rate of progress. For example take these two>>108467726>>108467901Can you imagine how these messages would have looked only a year or two ago? And this one:>>108466257Theres what, 4, maybe 5 doublings between a webdev and a talented C++ engineer. So 2 years at with the current exponent?Sure, if we only see incremental improvements going forwards, we're only going to see many hungry jeets and webdevs, and elite developers will only see reduced bargaining power. But why would the progress suddenly stop? Oh theres another doomed retard here btw>>108467001This was true months ago (things are improving that rapidly) but these days AI is closing proofs for open problems that we couldnt do as humans. We are fucked
>>108467706I have literally never been happier that I didn't finish my CS degree rn b/c I'd just be like 40k in debt instead of just 5
Will trannies replace frogposters? Oh wait, they're one and the same
The /g/ thread is the typical /g/ cocktail of doomposting, elitism, and a weird, self-loathing desire to see the tech industry burn. The discourse essentially breaks down into three unsophisticated tropes: * The "Purge" Fantasy: Most posters are gleefully rooting for AI to "controlled burn" the industry. They argue that one "competent" dev with a Claude subscription will replace 10 "bootcamp grads" or "diversity hires." It’s less a technical analysis and more a cathartic fantasy about seeing "overpaid normies" lose their jobs. * Economic Nihilism: A more coherent (but equally cynical) take suggests AI isn't replacing you, it’s replacing the value of software. If anyone can prompt an app into existence for $20/month, the market price for code hits zero, making 95% of the workforce redundant by default. * The Elitist Cope: Of course, every poster assumes they are the "top 5% of computer scientists" who are safe, while everyone else is a "web monkey" or "JSON sorter" destined for the breadline.The Verdict: Half the thread thinks the "AI regurgitation machine" is a fad that only replaces Indian outsourcing; the other half thinks we’re already in a post-job wasteland. Both sides agree that if you aren't "vibe coding" with LLMs yet, you’re already obsolete. Typical /g/—the sky is falling, and they can’t wait to watch it hit.
>>108468612Nice slop post faggot. Your retard bot fucked up the closing paragraph. Nearly 100% of /g/ thinks vibe coding zoomers are worthless.
>>108468612Notice how your bot didn't label any of the points as factually wrong.
>>108468522>Can you imagine how these messages would have looked only a year or two ago?A simple tic tac toe with react was extremely impressive when the tech was fresh and relatively cheap to run.Scaling up and burning billions without even breaking even on inference, just to be able to barely regurgitate a piece of code that the model is already trained on, with the help of a readily made test suite and the piece of code itself is not impressive at all. All of this and it still requires anthropic engineers to handhold it.The argument that the models will only improve is retarded, the models simply scaled up by compute and by tools that make them spend orders of magnitude more tokens. The "compiler" it failed to copy paste showed that this scaling is useless and not only because it's not profitable.
>>108468522Model Collapse: The models are dogshit now, they'll be dogshitter later. Latest usage limits changes: The models are expensive now with subsidies and vc money, and they'll be impossibly expensive soon enough.Profitability: if this trend dies before inference and keeping the model up to date becomes profitable for the significant models like opus and whatever else, they die with it.>But mom you don't understand! Soon everyone will be unemployed too!No, they won't. Get a job.
>>108467166this is one scenario where europe has it right. so far AI is basically promising to make SWE 20% faster with 20% less accuracy, plus 50% of us will get fired. it doesn’t look like AI is going to actually shake up any other industry apart from education and maybe a few other niches here and there. literally all we accomplished was decimating our own profession and not impacting anything else. typical software shit
>>108466120Nope. Haters like >>108466141 dream of the day, but they are just dreaming.>>108466984I've been using better code generators than claude for 20 years. Create your model, push a button, it cranks out all the code with velocity templates. It takes seconds, not minutes with claude "thinking" about it. It's never wrong, it works every time. If I do find a bug in the templates, I fix it, hit a button and it is fixed everywhere all at once in a few seconds. Again, no ai "thinking," no prompting, no bug regressions introduced by the bot, no random variations like categories() becoming categoryOptions().Generating code has never been a bottleneck.
>>108469334What is this code generator that's better than Claude
>>108466120Garbage workers are automating the collection of contracts that they cannot do and are taking money for doing work that they are not doing.AI has proven itself in the hands of the inept to be catastrophic for completing higher tech tasks.What is needed in industry is high paid skill.There is ENDLESS opportunities but those who continue to exploit these systems have caused the opportunities to dry up because of their behavior.
>>108469441The phantom worker issue has consisted across all instances.
As long as AI isn't perfect, not in places where the cost of AI screwing up matters. And I'm not just talking about things like an airplane's autopilot or the firmware inside a pacemaker. Could be something as "simple" as a system used to automate quality control in a factory. Just anything that if you fuck it up there will be financial consequences. Which is a lot of things, come to think of it.
No theyll replace all engineers and accountants and last lawyers. Yes even criminal cases. Why would jamal hire a lawyer or pc that doesnt give s shit when he can represent himself and use chatgpt.
>>108466120Offshore outsourcing will always be cheaper.
>>108466257how many % of computer scientists and software engineers actually do something revolutionizing? close to none. most of them are just solving the same problems that have already been solved before.
>>108466120Maybe one day, but LLMs won't, at least not for long.
>>108466984>Europoor industrial company that also happens to do software.I do too and the major problem is it seems to be impossible to hire anyone competent in any way.I assume the problem is mainly HR but also a lack of local talent. I am pretty sure long term AI will only make both problems worse.
>>108467166There is an opportunity cost to everything. You're right no one should be proud of being behind in something that can be measured objectively relatively accurately but if time money and energy is spent on some other projects that are more promising that would be a good thing. That of course doesn't happen in Europe, but it could. I'd like more money to pour into fusion, but instead we get infinity jeets and African rapists that used to be child soldiers under General Butt Naked in Liberia.
>>108469903You'd think this but in my field (risk management, cybersecurity) it's one of the first fields to get largely automated. Back in 2023 everyone and their dog was hiring. Now I'm fucked and have been applying for about 10 months now with an ever shrinking pool of places to even apply to. No one seems to care, they just put an agent to check services for the security requirements and let LLMs judge code vulnerabilities.SOC2 and other security certificates are now also just done with agents. We're the exact field where if the AI hallucinaties or makes a small mistake we're out of fucking business because of multimillion lawsuits. No one gives a shit and I will have to change careers soon.
>>108468567I am NOT a tranny
>>108466920Every company in the world pays Anthropic 100 bucks per employee per month. They are swimming in money. They can afford 99.99999% uptime.
>>108467130They also release smaller models for everyone. I played a bit with devstral 8B, not claude-level but not bad adjusted for size.
>>108467682it's bollock, also 95% of all programmers flip the same webshit or reuse existing frameworks ad nauseamthey all will get the boot
>>108466120Loaded questions don't warrant serious answers. Dumb fuck frogposter, die.
>>108471308>loaded questionshow
>>108466120Yes, most of them.I don't understand the coping of the /g/ tards here. Maybe sunk cost fallacy got too strong.>it made a mistake! BAD >it did not solve my problem in one shot! BADAs if (You) never make mistakes and always solve the task in one shot without a constant fix-run cycle. LLMs do the exact same thing, but 100x faster than (You). That's all that matters.
>>108466120Yes most of them because stuff like jeetcoders are just cut and pasting from stack exchange without understanding what they are doing most of the time anyway. If it somehow runs that's good enough. That's 75% of current day conmen who call themselves software engineers and yes AI LLMs can do the same thing better. Will software engineers or coers go away, no. Before IT boomed in the 90s theer wree people who codes not for the money but the love of it, people who stared off typing BASIC as kids and actually enjoy it and there will always be a need for real software engineers (rare to find them) working on low level code for hardware advances. But in the end of the day at least 75% of those jobs are goine forever. Software testing was a full profession once, it gio raped by cost cutting and automation and theer was a resulting quality collapse but the jobs are gone forever. There is your history repeating.
>>108466120Yes.When? that's the real question, if people didn't fucking upload their sample code in public for others to correct under the guise of "do my homework", then the AI would never have figured it the fuck out and kept to core programming instructions>but here we are
>>108471308>t. jeet that can be replace by a chatbot and is about to loose their HB1 and go back.
>>108471334too late now......thanks open source.
>>108471334>if people didn't fucking upload their sample code in publicIf they didn't, 100% of your software would be spyware-riddled proprietary garbage
>technology improves>technology board is angry
>>108471335>can be replaceGood morning, sar.
>>108471186>makes a small mistake we're out of fucking business because of multimillion lawsuitsproof that cybersecurity firms actually have to pay money for making software mistakes?
>>108471342>i don't want to protect my proprietary property>i don't want to protect my house or ownership of certain manifestationsmaybe you should teach the AI to reverse engineer if you're going to be a faggot
>>108471351"""technology improves"""
>>108466120take a guess in a industry that has always been ruthless about culling and churning people with skillsets with expiry dates and the history of automation destroying software testing employment. Oh you can do some kiddy script python and your a jeet from a visa mill college? That's nice dear. Bye now. The thing is that would have happened anyway over a five year cycle when python or whatever becomes last years thing, like all the script shit before it, it will just happen faster and there will be no replacement. IT had a vast number of talentless scamming bums sucked into it since 1999 who were only there to chase money and that accelerated with the dying light influx of jeets with fake CVs from traffickers and jeet auntys in HR taking bribes from same to place them. The big flush is incoming. Software eng will never be kewl or well paid again.
>>108466120so glad I'm a MLE and won't be replaced anytime soon.
>>108471353I don;t use a cloud spellechecker because yours logs every post you make here and there is another reason I deliberately typo or ignore ones that happen. Maybe you will figure the why out but you're clearly not very smart, You're assumption I'm an esl could not be more wrong but also possibly very stupid and with an amazing history of your posts here sitting in a datacentre because you are too fucking thick to deal with tech.
>>108471379>MLEno you fuck around with python or FAWP
>>108471386>but also possibly very stupid and with an amazing history of your posts here sitting in a datacentreBEING USED BY PALAN.TIR TO OFFER VETTING SERVICES TO EMPLOYERS....AND GOVERNMENTS
>>108466120AI will unironically replace the vast majority of people. Every single job requiring a computer will be automated, and even most manual labour jobs will be automated with robotics development. I genuinely don't know what their game plan is. Systematic depopulation, but how. Will it really just resort to mass cullings like ukraine/russia, or will there be a way to use the masses? After all the data centres are built, there's not much left. Will it just be transhumanism? Not everyone will be worth upgrading, not unless they can be utilised somehow. Power sources maybe. Considering the development of BCIs (already used for neurorehabilitation with interfaced AI), what if they do find a way to perfect the technology, humans would essentially operate as training data or they could harvest the energy of neurons like cortical labs. What else is there?
>>108471368If you certify the safety of a specific part of the code or some api endpoint and it turns out that ended up being the attack vector you're absolutely fucked as a cybersecurity firm.
>>108471463Yeah it will also reshape reality and make your dreams come true. When AI is finished, you won't even NEED toilets!Fucking Indian retards.
>>108466120Some for sure. Some will use it as a tool to get more done.
>>108466120>Will AI replace software engineers?>Serious answers only.start flipping burgers
>>108471707It turns out the real toilets all along were cut and paste coders (and therefore also jeets)
>>108466120I hope soBut i doubt itThough codemonkeys might need to go buy a rope soon.
>>108470550Lack of local talent? How? Even my country that only recently started having a decent software job market has a couple unis shitting out a thousand or two CS grads on every mid sized or large city, as well as a boatload of 2 year degree schools shitting out webshitters in droves.And that's just the people coming from traditional paths. Lots of math, physics and engineering graduates go into software as well since every other technical job market in the country is absolute dogshit (Spain btw).Dis your country just not buy into the coding hype or is your company just so low paying for current standards that you only get the bottom of the barrell?
>>108471328>But in the end of the day at least 75% of those jobs are goine foreverLow level programming is bigger than ever, but it is mainly done for embedded systems, not PCs.In any case, offshoring is going to do nore damage to the job field than AI. The internet has made it easy for people all over the world to learn the same things as everyone else, yet only around 75% of the world is high income. It is not sustainable for a job that can be so easily done remotely as coding for it to stay high paying in the expensive countries. The top of the field is And the offshoring is only going to get worse. People are already dooming about india, but it is just around 1.4 ish billion people. Africa is projected to come online into the global economy during the next decade or two and it will have a total population well into the mid 2 billions by then, whilw the qest will have shrinked.If you can't manage to retire in the next 10 years, shit is going to get very ugly for western software workers.
>>108466120Not really. It's going to significantly reduce the amount of human authorship for code, but they'll still require an understanding that's akin to a doctor who is required to learn biology in medical school in order to reverse-engineer a patient. Otherwise it'll just be a market of AIPs that are constructed using systems that require less coding, without strictly relying on an LLM for all of its operations.
I guess most like to just manage a bunch coding agents these days but there's no way that it does not have its trade-offs. One of them being the fact that you lose your grip on your programming skills. You only truly learn to program by programming, not by reading books. Someone still needs to understand what the agents do because they are not deterministic.
>>108466120yes, the vast majority
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>>108466120Yes and no. It'll replace most of the grunt work but it can't invent anything new, therefore there will still be a need for people creating new things.It'll probably slash the amount of software engineers needed by an order of magnitude but it won't replace them fully.
>>108466984Yea, this is the reality in many companies. Not many admit it online.
>>108471342Yes great victory Fosstard, now instead all your code will be written by one of three proprietary LLMs with the GPL being eliminated permanently, congrats.
>>108473678>by one of three proprietary LLMsThey can't even generate profit on inference alone, anon. Also, even if they survive people will still program, and local models exist.
>>108473704The GPL is dead, idk why you're coping with costs or local models. Google is definitely not going to die, they have infinite money, OAI and Anthropic are too valuable and even if they struggle they will just get bought up by one of the other big infinite money tech conglomerates.
