>>108468402
Don Logay? Who is Elon Musk?

>>108468402
It was just meant to sabotage building a high speed rail line because Americans are ideologically opposed to public transportation

>>108468457
use case for high speed rail?

>>108468462
Over 2 or 3 miles of muskloop, not much. You could join all those underground Teslas together for more capacity tho, and put in little rails for them to run on, wouldn't all need to be powered separately and be much more efficient. If only Elon weren't such a genius.

>>108468402
> gubbermint please gibs moneys for tunnels thing
> okay we give you moneys for tunnel things
> thanks gubbermints
this was the plan all along

>>108468491
Stop acting like you don’t know why Americans don’t like public transportation.

>>108468402
The thing is a death trap.

It's just bizarre. I don't know why they don't just put rails in and put trams on them.

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>>108468402
That underground metros are good?

are the two cars that run in this retarded thing still being driven manually?

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>>108469054
?

>>108469102
Musk wouldn't even notice a couple 80k salaries endlessly driving in this thing so maybe

>>108468402
>What did Elon Musk mean by this?

>"Thanks for the money, idiots."

>>108469116
please tell me this isn't the american railway system

>>108469132
What's wrong with it exactly?

>>108469139
if the country was at least 10x smaller it would be good

>>108469064
It's actually amazing none of the batteries have caught fire yet.
One day it will and then everyone in the narrow tunnel is doomed.

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>>108469148
Railway system of The Netherlands which is 1/236th the size, for reference.

>>108469192
damn, my scale was way off.
americunt really don't understand the power of good railroad, wich is funny since the only reason they exist is thanks to them (and France's hatred for those raws beef cunts)

>>108469132
It is and it's more expensive than flying.

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>>108469102
>are the two cars
Oh, but there's lots of cars
>still being driven manually?
Local Fire Dept INSIST that there's a driver in each of them, yup. Some Strange Reason.

>>108469222
It's especially weird because they're such a good match with white suburbs.
All the white people can ride the white trains from their white suburbs to their white jobs.
Instead they sit in traffic and need giant parking lots.

>>108469253
Local fire department insists that someone dies in the fire so they can receive more funding.

>>108469256
They are very carefully propagandized to make basic living standards seem like the result of their hard work, I. E. Car debt and keeping the scary poors away.

>>108469253
>Local Fire Dept INSIST that there's a driver in each of them
I'll bet it's because of the batteries.

Unmanned people movers are a fairly common thing at airports and such.
But they're normally powered either externally or through some power pickup like a 3rd rail.
Using batteries on a fixed route through tunnels is quite insane.

>>108469253
this is a picture from 5 years ago. the thing is dead now and the drivers aren't just sitting in the front, they're physically driving the cars.

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>>108469281
maybe Musk could have though of a system to keep the cars powered without having batteries, maybe a type of cable and connectors able to endure continuous friction against each other, but this doesn't seems possible in reallity

>>108468402
reminder: hyperloop was supposed to be a vacuum-sealed hypersonic underground train system
conspiracy theorist me will posit it was probably a front to build the technology for deep underground bunkers for the ultrawealthy to hide in (although the truth is probably just >>108469048)
btw, if you believe anything that comes out of musk's mouth, i have a bridge to sell you

>>108468457
retard, the california highspeed railway is now supposed to cost close to $200 billion dollars when it was originally billed for $30 billion. It had grown to $100B by the time Musk had even suggested a loop system as an alternative system. A not a single mile of railway has been built yet.

The california highspeed railway project is a scam.

>>108469148
How do you mean?

>>108469192
The Netherlands is a gigantic suburb. Continental Europe in general is way overdeveloped and extremely dense. It's next to impossible to get stranded outside of Scandinavia and Russia, because there's always another village 2km down the road. Why are you pretending like the two things are equal? Everywhere worthy of a train station has one in the US.

>>108469435
Don't argue with retarded poorfag europeons

>>108469420
>reminder: hyperloop was supposed to be a vacuum-sealed hypersonic underground train system
Wrong. It was never supposed to be vacuum. The paper musk published was based off of air hockey system. Thin slice of air underground allowing transport pods to slide easily. With some internal propulsion helping along the way

>>108469435
>The Netherlands is a gigantic suburb.
Indeed it is.

>Everywhere worthy of a train station has one in the US.
Not the suburbs, which is dumb.
A proper suburb has efficient mass transit to the city.

>>108469450
I'm European, lived in America for uni. Some people just don't really quite get how much of a difference there is in "space", really. Coming back was an adjustment period and even these days sometimes I feel things are a bit cramped. Everything's just a bit less spacious, even in the villages.

>>108468402
There are bunch of projects in the making right now. On top of that, lot of democrats want to stop Musk at all cost and are launching lawsuits/regulations/boycotts/protests to stop his company.

>>108469432
Hahah oooh nooo please don't spend money on high quality infrastructure! please don't spend $5 trillion dollars on a bullet train, please instead funnel $50 billion into the pockets of the world's richest man for a dogshit alternative that is fucking dogshit
i hate having high quality, expensive things in my country. i only want the absolute cheapest dogshit imaginable. PLEASE don't ever spend money on nice things, only spend a still unfathomable sum on something unimaginably worse designed to benefit the antichrist ahaha

>>108469519
>high quality infrastructure
Most expensive highspeed rail in history ($200 billion)
For the least amount of railway
Taking the most amount of time (it will take 30 years for few miles)
For the slowest highspeed railway

Hell, we have better alternatives that actually works. Brightline railway in Florida. It started later than California did, its actually completed, its 235+ miles and cost only $6 billion dollars. Fully privately funded high speed rail.

California high speed railway project is a government project, meant to pay for union votes. Its a jobs program, not a real project. There's 0 miles built or operation railway.

>>108468457
Use case for public transportation?

>>108469516
Hopefully they'll strip him of his security clearances so the faggot won't be allowed near his own rockets.

>>108469585
Unfortunately, rockets cant be a transgender communist.

>>108469132
It looks like the Interstate system. I'd assume this is buses + trains (mostly buses).

>>108469571
California is chained by a morass of job programs and real estate cartels, hence nothing ever actually being done in the state despite its wealth and ample room. Florida has its own share of problems but clearly the answer is somewhere in the middle.

>>108469571
>Most expensive highspeed rail in history ($200 billion)
In a country with a high cost of living, high labor standards, at the forefront of continuous inflation. No shit? Guess what, I don't think paying labor is a bad thing. Spend it all. Spend as much as we possibly fucking can. You have no argument here dude, you just don't get it. I don't give a single rat fuck about your jewish propensity to hoard coins. You'll pay it, or we're going to throw you in prison and take your money anyways, and there's nothing you can do about it.

Tired of you parasitic fucking retards who can't see the bigger picture. This country has gone to complete shit because cheap fucks like you are so cost averse. Yeah just cheap out on everything, that's a great way to look at things. How about you kill yourself so you can be buried with your precious shinies and we pinky promise not to touch ANY of them.

>>108469721
>Florida isnt in US
You retard. There's no reason it should cost 20X what Florida high speed railway cost. There's no reason why it should take 2X the time.

You're a grifter

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>>108468462
Transportation, retard.

>>108468491
>government should spend 100 billion dollar for "high speed rail" for 3 mile transport inside the convention center instead of private company building a transportation system for $50M
Are you a retard?

>>108469315
trolley wires

>>108468402
vega slop

>>108468402
That there'll be retards who pay attention to him even if he comes up with something retarded.

>>108469176
It's the price of freedom™ and they wouldn't have it any other way.

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>>108469132
That's Amtrak, which is interstate. It's basically federally backed just to stay open and the Northeast Regional line subsidizes the entire system because it's the only one that makes sense to ride. No one takes a 16 hour train ride over a 3 hour flight.
Consider also that states operate their own trail services. Thanks run just about everywhere, but even so, both Amtrak and state transportation services only operate lines that are economical.

>>108469222
>americunt really don't understand the power of good railroad,
we have the greatest freighters in the world hands down.
we don't do trains for travel because our country is huge, you can start driving in texas, go for 12 hours straight and still be in texas. that's one state in the US, your little euro countries can all run trains on each other because you're so small.

>>108469571
>Brightline Fully privately funded high speed rail.

Half a billion dollars in grants from the public sector
Not a single profitable year in operation so far
Business model is to make money off real estate near the stations
Ticket prices are kept unreasonable high to dissuade commuters

But I guess the line IS open, which makes it a better system than California HSR which is not going to be finished in our lifetimes

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>>108471755
the >muh country is huge argument is very silly

No serious advocate is saying coast-to-coast HSR is going to beat out flying long distance, but there are plenty of 200-600 mile corridors between metro areas that are literally perfect for HSR and should have been built years ago if the US wasn't so allergic to non-automotive public transportation and could actually get things buil on budget. Florida, The Texas Triangle, The NEC... These metro areas are not too dissimilar from what one might find in Europe.

The fact Elon's Expensive Meme Loop under Vegas exists is a huge middle finger to urban planners everywhere

>>108468462
circulate niggers and gronks to other cities at a faster pace.

>>108471843
>Elon's Expensive Meme Loop
Why do fags always lie about this. The entire loop for Vegas is only ~$40 million for 2 tunnels that are ~3 miles long. They won on being the cheapest option. Cheaper than even traditional bus stations on regular road with all the congestion.

>>108471873
>Tunnels cheaper than even traditional bus stations on regular road with all the congestion.
think about this sentence for a second.

>>108471924
You should be asking how? The answer is simple bidding process. The 2nd cheapest bid for the Vegas Build was from a bus transit company. Thats on the record. There was a Chinese rail company that also bid, but that would have cost vegas couple hundred millions at the very least

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>>108468462
being a developed country with large modern cities not sprawling ghettos full of niggers

>>108471945
You don't think the boring company drastically low balled their offer just so they could have a proof of concept out there? and simultaneously ruin the chances of an actually decent las vegas mass transit system getting built in their stead forever? You think their entire system buildout was cheaper some proposed bus shelters and paint?

Just a reminder the system is also single track, dogshit capacity, without an emergency tunnel like you need in any serious system designed to scale

I believe US has less train investment because the highway lobby said highways were more efficient and did a study to back that up.

>>108468402
Why is the roadway so uneven?

>>108471996
Its already built you retard. They've been running the tunnels for few years, they've proven out and met all the requires metrics. Its now running constantly. Its daily carrying capacity reaches 8X daily rate of a light rail line in US, carrying 32K per day, while costing a fraction

>>108472032
shut up goy look at the pretty LED lights ok

>>108472011
No. It has less train investment because we have transit bureau setup that is run by union and political grifters. The political class can only make demand of government funds because no private company wants to work with them due to unreasonable and unprofitable extortion schemes.

>>108472042
>8X daily rate of a light rail line in US, carrying 32K per day, while costing a fraction

Only during CES, and only because it's basically a shuttle for people moving around the convention center.

Add a few dozen more stations to the system and it all clogs up, because it's literally just a single bore tunnel with teslas

It's basically one of those pod systems you find at airports but worse in every way

>>108469139
>>108469266
>>108469222
The reason is NIGGERS. Americans smartly segregate themselves from niggers and browns.
I lived in Europe and the amount of pure COPE you guys have for your trains is insane. I suffered riding on your faggot train dealing with insufferable niggers and browns at all hours.
As your continent gets more and more browned you're going to understand why Americans don't use public transit.

>>108472057
There's 6 operational tunnels and stations in Vegas now. Its not just CES anymore, CES event was just the initial demonstration back in 2023. Its the LVCC that manages the convention and loop system runs on all event days where convention center is being used. Further the other station tunnels run daily (they arent tied to vegas convention but daily usage), all these stations/tunnels are part of the wider "Vegas Loop" network of tunnels. Which will expand to 60+ miles over the course of the next few years with 50+ stations.

>>108468402
He has no customers so he's just creating fake business for his tunnel company.

>>108472108
>its fake!! you cant do it!!!
>so what if they built it, it wont run to spec!!
>so what if it runs on one tunnel!!! it wont run on multiple tunnels
>so what if it runs on multiple tunnels!!! people wont use it!!
>so what if people use it, they're all nazis!!!
>so what if I use it, its just for one time
>so what it works? he didn't build it, he doesn't deserve credit!!! its the ENGINEERS!!!

>>108469064
>The thing is a death trap.
You make them pay before you put them in a vacuum tube, so it's actually less risk.

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>>108472103
looks like some parts are double tracked indeed i thought it was all single track

it's still just a worse fucking people mover for people in the convention center though, how they plan to scale this up when you need a tesla and a driver for every 5 people is beyond me just doing the math in your head it doesn't make any sense

>>108472159
teslas are on the verge of releasing a driverless system and are being tested. Current Tesla self driving package is more than ready if they are able to network the vehicles and control it via command center that monitors vehicle location and has takeover command in case of emergencies. 99% of the driving is done by automation today.

>people mover
There wont be a 60 mile people mover. Why do that when you only need a small car thats 5 meters long. Utility of the loop system is that its an on-demand, ultra cheap and scalable system. Thats why they can scale to 35K passengers per day during the latest convention event. Its an absolutely feat that other 10-100x more expensive rails boast of having carrying capacity but they are never utilized. I dont know if you know this, but in towns where there are rails and where daily passengers are low, you only get rails every couple of hours or maybe once a day. Same with bus. Its utterly inflexible. The loop system is the right system. They have built it, they have proven it, shown it works and they are expanding them to other cities. The Music Loop System is being constructed right now and thats 10 mile x 2 dual tunnel system + 3 mile x 2 dual tunnel system, built and paid entirely by Boring Company.

>>108472159
>people mover
Put forth a proposal for the cheapest reliable system and get others to fund it. If the system can scale, surely you'll get other people to buy into it

>>108471955
borzoi ass lookin train

>>108472103
>>108472159
>6 operational stations
Thats old information too.

https://youtu.be/StjHb9S7rHQ

According to it, there's 11 operational stations now. Now you can go from Airport to Resort to Convention in case of global event.

>>108472159
Obviously the plan is to not need a driver. There isn't really a reason not to do that other than red tape.
A subway can move a lot more people, but it's also a LOT more expensive and it forces you to share a car with other people, which Americans aren't excited about for some mysterious reason.
There was a Boring Company talk some time around last Autumn which was quite insightful, I do recommend you to look it up.

>>108472287
https://www.autobodynews.com/news/the-boring-company-posts-impressive-lvcc-loop-stats-from-ces-2023

Trains make no sense. The vegas loop system's average wait time for rider is under 10 seconds for the car to pick up their passenger.

>>108469054
Its not that we don't like it, it's that the generations before us refused to build it because they thought their 900ton steel cars running on 10 cents a gallon would last forever.

>>108472332
Its fine, we now have electric cars doing the transportation. Whats the issue

Amtrak is comfy. Used to take it from North California to Bakersfield. And then sadly a bus to Los Angeles because they line ends at Bakersfield. I think theres a line that splits towards the coast but I would have to go all the way around to get it then back up to get tot destination.

>>108472228
>teslas are on the verge of releasing a driverless system and are being tested
been hearing this for a decade. I know driverless systems like Waymo already exist and are improving steadily so i am not super skeptical it will never happen like some others are, but the fully autonomous 300 mph system that was pitched is still a loooooong while away.

>on-demand
from the videos i watched wait times for drivers are around 5-10 minutes on an average day, about the same as a metro. Hard to call that on-demand. (Difference being with a metro you can carry hundreds of people per driver instead of 5)

>ultra cheap
cheaper to build than subway for sure
but what about operating costs, wear on the tesla tires? staffing? dont hear much about that.

>scalable system
It's not. That's my biggest gripe with this entire system. It's not scalable. Like at all. It's not transit. It's underground taxis. Using underground roads. An average airport people mover can shuttle hundreds of thousands of people a day this system will struggle with half of that. It's simple math.

>>108472282
that's the map they had on their website
i hate they are actually expanding this system lol what a mess

>>108472328
>autobodynews
alright seems like a legit source
the wait times are definitely not 10 seconds watch any video fo someone using the thing and you'll see you have to wait for a car to pull up when it's not peak hours.

>>108472340
Bro, only like 10% of Americans have an electric. And you will not survive with an electric in deep winter rural states where you need a 4x4 truck.

>>108472354
You realize rural doesn't mean no electricity right? Every home in America has electrical plug. This isn't 1900s. We're not Eastern European/former soviet.

>>108472328
Yes, the loop is more flexible, but its maximum throughput is also a lot lower than a subway. It makes more sense in some places and subway makes more sense in others. There is no way it could replace high throughput systems like the ones in Tokyo or Moscow.

>>108468462
Move niggers from east coast to west coast at incredible speed and kick off the black mexican civil war.

>>108472353
>been hearing this for a decade. I know driverless systems like Waymo already exist and are improving steadily so i am not super skeptical it will never happen like some others are, but the fully autonomous 300 mph system that was pitched is still a loooooong while away.
They had Autopilot for a decade that did most of the highway driving. It worked fine with minimal incident for a decade. Then they released full self driving software few years back. This is now the main autonomous software suite that works everywhere in every road condition. And seems to be functioning enough that I see the videos of random people posting on youtube/tiktok all the time, someone event claimed he drove 100% coast to coast for 10,000 miles. With the system showing the % usage of the car in self driving mode, that makes it a very credible system.

Now Waymo is more closed taxi system that they run in few cities. Thats also self driving but also as a robotaxi system. Tesla is following the Waymo footstep with the robotaxi mode as well. They're few years behind with the system setup. The system being the command/control center for the robotaxi network and the auxillary systems like maintenance/charging their self driving robotaxi systems. Just like waymos, these robotaxi systems seems to be limited to geographical area, and are tested in various cities. Waymos got the headstart with putting drivers in the cars for few years for this robotaxi before they removed the drivers. Tesla has stated doing that for few months with the drivers and have removed some drivers for handful of cars.

I was watching waymo's charging/maintenance infrastructure system video a while ago, so I I can get a sense of how the systems are maintained. It takes a lot of people to maintain these cars. So I suspect Tesla is building out their robotaxi systems just like Waymo has, while cautiously rolling out their geofenced driverless systems small step at a time.

>>108472458
Vegas is the best possible place they could have built this stupid system if you think about it the fancy light tunnels and gadgetbahn are a tourist attraction in itself. They also have a monorail that goes nowhere.

>>108472353
It's scalable to a point. Those Tesla minibuses will have more throughput then the cars and bigger vehicles can still be used in the future. It still can't bet subways, but it solves some issues a subway would face in the US.
It bypasses the usual unwillingness to fund public transport and the inability to do so without huge amounts of incompetence and corruption.
It solves the issue of Americans not wanting to share transportation with urban youth.
And its lower cost makes it viable in places that are not dense enough for a subway to make sense.

>>108472548
>And its lower cost makes it viable in places that are not dense enough for a subway to make sense.

The intersection where these point-to-point taxi people movers are the most efficient solution are very very few and far between. You have to have major trip generators, in close proximity, with a lot of flexible demand and extremely congested surface transit for it to make any sense. For all other cases you're better off with bus lanes or a subway. A point-to-point mass transit system just doesn't work

But yes a big part of it is social issues as well I know in America there a lot of crazies and blacks, people don't want to associate with undesirables

>>108472592
Point to point always makes sense for people travelling from airport to city resort/convention center/hotels. Any place where there's direct connection makes sense. You skip the public highways, reducing congestion, shadyness, and going directly to your desired location, the hotel for rest, the casinos for playtime, the convention center for events, and so on.

The main port of transportation is cost per people moved and throughput of people moved. The daily cost, the yearly cost, and the profit margin. As long as the system is profitable, it means the transit system is working to generate more value than it cost to maintain/build it. It reduces congestions surface road is a huge plus for cities where traffic people going in and out of highways can get stuck in traffic for hours at a time.

>>108468402
>vega slop
That naming style is now dead and ai killed it.

>>108468457
>sabotage building a high speed rail line
that's not even remotely true you retarded urbanist bugman

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>>108469132
you have obviously never seen the brazilian one if youre shocked by that

>>108468457
A high-speed closed-loop rail line around a convention center?

>>108472083
from experience buses are far worse there's less accountability and you're stuck with them for far longer

at train stations the crackheads mostly linger at the entrances and once you're in you mostly gotta watch for workers and security because they also display crackhead behaviors at times

>>108468457
>Opposed to public transportation
That's a funny way of spelling Africans and disease carrying asians

>>108469420
>Sex bunkers
Wrong. It was supposed to provide rapid movement of ballistic missiles from one location to where they're needed, rather than building a bunch of shitty standby silos.

>>108472545
The monorail has been cockblocked for decades.
The amount of ineptitude and violations while building the loop is actually amazing, I wouldn't doubt if that was the actual intention

>>108472332
*because they were racist
Retards in charge made being poor hell on purpose because back then the poors were mostly black. Then whites got poor too

>>108471945
You didn't think about the question

>>108473049
Basically no work done for nearly 60 years.

>>108468402
Las Vegas is an amusement park

>>108469432
and how much have we spent shitting on iran this past month?

>>108477267
>and how much have we spent shitting on iran this past month?
Not enough yet and money well spent.