Mechanical keyboard autists routinely ruin the lives of countless people forever by pressuring them to solder and desolder with leaded solder, which leaves tiny particles everywhere that then get carried around the house and absorbed, ingested, and inhaled along with fumes. One particle is all it takes to permanently poison you forever.Yet poorfags will continue to do anything except just go out and buy a new thing instead, or use better tools.
Interesting bait.
>>108472291Would probably work better on /diy/ tho.
>>108472283>Stop using leaded solderwell when you're eurocucked you can't to begin with thanks EU for that btw good job well done bravo
>>108472283The average fish probably has 10x more lead than an entire spool of leaded solder.Leaded solder is only a problem if you are huffing the fumes or if you spend 8 hours a day soldering.
>>108472300? You can buy leaded solder in many online stores in europe, as well as at specialized repair shops. It is just supermarkets and general stores that don't carry it.
>>108472283Leaded solder is way better than unleaded for DIY (not that /g/oons would have ever tried DIYing anything in their lives).It melts at lower temperature, it flows much better, it helps with heat transfer... Literally just open a window and enjoy.
>>108472283I love the smell of lead in the morning.
>>108472291Soldering and brazing fumes are respiratory sensitisers that cause occupational asthama. Meanwhile look at this dust, the shit that accumulates thanks in no small part to the hand operated pumps people are told to stick to, it will get all over your pcb, plate, table, cloth, floor, clothes, shoes, hair, god knows where you will carry that glitter ten around the house, into your bed, onto your ass when wiping, face, eyes, who knows. I don't know why the EU and EPA haven't banned it entirely like with asbestos. One spill onto the floor or table or wherever gets unaccounted for and your house is forever condemned. One dust particle getting unaccounted for is all it takes.Unlike other metals, lead is permanent and cannot be removed once absorbed by your body. That is why it is a killer.
>>108472345>Literally just open a window and enjoy.Enjoy the dust flying everywhere after you add lead and then desolder once an errand gust of wind hits and flips your shit.
>>108472300>>108472333It's not banned for personal use, only electronics manufacturing can't use it. Your TV can't have leaded solder, your local repair shop can sell you as much as you want.
You're not supposed to breathe in the fumes anyways, leaded or not. Everyone who solders more than once or twice a year will have a active fan and filter.
>soldering: exposes you to toxic fumes>woodworking: risk of losing fingers>electronics: risk of electrocution/diy/ is slop
>>108472283yet the real retard is youlet's just use wooden solder and bullets so brainless hypocrondraic twats raised by single mothers with anxiety and OCD can relax a litte? Please please won't somone think of retards like OP who don't know lead occurs naturally in things like soil?>noe noe it kills youI've been taught to cast lead by a 96 year old who still plays chess well and periodically soldered (ventilation), cast bullets (with some fresh air/ventilation) amd lead soldiers, played with lead soldiers as kids,ate game with shot with birdshot etc etcPeople like OP are worthless clueless spastics. They have zero knowlege of actual causes of lead poisioning, just ridiculous spammers of crap Pic related
>>108472383You're an idiot.
leadfree solder fumes are just as unhealthy
>>108472323>Leaded solder is only a problem if you are huffing the fumes or if you spend 8 hours a day soldering./thread>>108472300>e eurocuckedoh it's a brainlet talking about distant lands he knows absolutely nothing about
>>108472345>Leaded solder is way better than unleaded for DIY (not that /g/oons would have ever tried DIYing anything in their lives).>It melts at lower temperature, it flows much better, it helps with heat transfer... Literally just open a window and enjoy./thread
>>108472345try some quality Almit leadfree solder before you knock it
>>108472283My father was a solder and obviously spent his whole life inhaling the fumes, he went from a brilliant guy to a lobotomite in his old age.
>>108472389>he doesn't have a proper board holderAren't you unleaded shills all richfags who can spend those precious 5 extra cents on unleaded? What's the problem now? Used all your money on flux to make your unleaded shit flow? Just buy a holder.Also it's now like unleaded would save you if you board did flip. It's just a big flat glass panel, anon, you don't have to be scared of it. Just open it.
>>108472383>lead fumesYeah this sounds just as convincing as salt is bad because it is literally Na and Cl, sodium explodes on contact with water and the other one is a chemical weapon. But seriously speaking I use both unleaded and leaded solder, if you have old stuff made with leaded solder, use leaded solder. If you mix unleaded and leaded solder, then you end up with some really poorly performing alloy. If no - then whatever. In terms of workability I still have a little stash of Soviet POSK solder (it has like 20% Cadmium in it) and this is literally the best solder to work with, it never oxidizes, flows perfectly and melts at low temperatures, I would have used it every day if not for the Cd content which is actually toxic. And now I read this autistic sperging about lead fumes and shit.
>>108472504>doesn't have a proper board holderAh yes, now it floats into midair instead of staying on the table because you clipped it into the air.
>>108472520and those old Soviet countries still use asbestos. What a world.
>>108472550Are you trying to use a third hand as a holder? Are you retarded?
>>108472559In Poland asbestos is retroactively outlawed since the 90s though
>>108472520>And now I read this autistic sperging about lead fumes and shit.Not mere fumes, but dust. This talk of "it was ok for grandpa back in Soviet times" ignoring his terrible health and cancer must be eliminated.
>>108472598>dust use soldering wick
>>108472283I can't melt lead free solder. No matter what, my tip oxidizes in an instant. I have 5m roll I never used because of that.
If someone is interested in helping me I am using a Yihua 920. Leaded solder works perfectly fine, however is only available online. Lead-free is available in stores but I find it impossible to use. Thanks.
>>108472591Poland was a satellite state
>>108472283Lead doesn't evaporate at soldering temperatures tho?
>>108472617For through hold components?
>>108472778Lead does “burn” and is in that smoke. Some of it sublime off into the atmosphere as the solder melts as lead oxide. And it does vaporize if you have your iron too hot. It’s why they wear respirators when working with it industrially.It’s also why you should use a fume extractor and not huff it (in addition to the flux). They make good extractors that will directly pull the fumes from the iron. Or you can just use unleaded solder and live stress free and unpoisoned life.
>>108472744It still is
>>108472433>lead dust creator calling others idiots
>>108472423
>>108472283Very obvious that anyone who believes this has never soldered before
>>108472323There's no lead in the fumes, you think lead evaporates at that temperature? The fumes still cause irritation tho
>>108472323There is no lead in the fume. Fumes can cause respiratory irritation if you solder all day every day without a fume extractor because of rosin flux (usually derived from pine resin) in the solder getting aerosolized.
>>108472283No.
Why do soldering shills never bring up the fact that their desoldering produces a metric shitton of fine GLITTER that gets everywhere and is permanently stuck to clothes and your body?
you have to go out of your way to buy leaded solder you fuckin dumbass
>>108473700Good too many retarded gretta children around, apply more lead in the form of paint flakes they can actually metablise and die from. As you know It is a complex salt containing carbonate and hydroxide ions NOT pure lead flakesYou are fucking retarded.
>>108474808Why are you doing this? Are you just trolling or are you really this stupid?
>>108474868Ask /mkg/ not me.
I eat nothing but leaded solder and nothing bad has happened to me.This is all just fear mongering.
>>108475026Were you the uninformed kid who also ate glitter in school? I envy your blissful ignorance.
sorry not stopping using lead
>>108472383>>108472283alright ill bitelead does not vaporize during soldering so you don't inhale itfumes are not an issue with proper fume extraction. not some shitty 30$ fan. real safe shit. fumes also have nothing to do with lead.wear gloves, do it somewhere you don't eat or clean yourself (like the garage, wash your hands after. not hard to do this. you could get sick doing plumbing if poop gets ingested doesn't mean you don't do plumbing.
>>108475531in additionLead vaporizes (boils) at approximately 1,740°C to 1,750°C (3,164°F to 3,182°F).Soldering irons work at 350 to 400 C, which is way lower. whats harmful to you is all the chemicals in the flux that stuff vaporizes.
>>108475560Why does flux smell so good if it's so bad for you?
>>108475861it's not. don't fall for the BigFumeExtractor psyop.
>>108475861ur inhaling formaldehyde and acrolein just look at what is in it
>>108475861some people drink turpentine and convince themself its good for you
>>108472283they are so cringe, we keep making fun of them and tell them to get a hot-swappable keyboard, but playing with their solder iron and poisoning themselves makes them feel like big boys
>>108474808>a metric shitton of fine GLITTER[citation needed]
>>108472902>Or you can just use unleaded solder and live stress free and unpoisoned life.Unleaded solder has toxic fumes as well. You should still avoid breathing them in.
>>108474129Yes there are, you don't see mercury smoking but you can still cook your nervous system if you're not careful. All fluids fume when liquid
>>108477830The difference is lead gets permanently stuck in your body.
Yesterday, my cheap guitar cable connector broke. I only had 60/40 tin-lead solder and had the temperature way too high, bout 240C, solder was fuming crazy. Was in a rush and just soldered in living room with a window open. I used a fug-ton of solder, and melted a big splash onto the floor, I just picked up the large bit and hoovered the floor. Dumped it into bin. Burnt my nail with the iron, was really rusty. I only solder 2-3 times a year, but I'm not gonna use leaded next time. I smelt fumes the rest of the day.
>>108472390Which is only fair because working day in day out for 8 hours a day with lead solder is different from using it on a personal project maybe once or twice a month.
>>108477985Leaded solder fumes don't contain lead in any significant amount.Lead doesn't vaporize until passed 1700 °C and soldering irons don't go above ~400 °C.The reason leaded solder is a health risk is predominantly the fact that when electronics are discarded and go into landfill, the lead seeps into the groundwater table. That's why it's a numbers game, and leaded solder has only been outlawed in eg. the EU as part of industrial-scale manufacture of consumer goods, but hasn't been outlawed in general.The toxicity of the fumes is due to other compounds - and those exist in unleaded solder all the same...
>>108472443More unhealthy because it needs more heat and thus results in more evaporation of the flux.
>>108478049>bout 240C, solder was fuming crazy.Barely hot enough. Should set more like 320C.The fumes are just the rosen flux. Nothing to worrt about.
>>108472576Real men have balls.
>>108472395>solder 3-4 times a year>no active filter or fanSo what now smart guy?
>>108478049240 is low if anything. Any smell/fumes was the flux core, not the metal.Unleaded solder requires even higher temperature and more aggressive flux (often smellier, more irritating, and can be damaging), you will 100% have a worse time with it than ordinary leaded solder.
>>108472395Anyone who solders learns to time their breath to avoid inhaling the fumes.>t. 20 years of periodic soldering without a fan
>>108472283lead free solder does not work.
>>108478049>temperature way too high, bout 240CTry leadless with your puny iron. You will come back sucking on the leaded solder at your first try
all this FUD could be avoided if retards stopped recommending desolder pumps instead of wick + flux
>>108472283Is there a measurement to back this up?
>>108478457If you have 2+ layer through hole, pump is better than wick.
>>108477804
>just desolder the switches on your keyboard bro, it's easy>nevermind the glitter you'll carry around the house and your body and contaminate the water pipes with forever bro
>>108472283Have you ever fired a gun?
>>108479596Get a shop sink. A solvent washbucket. Wear PPE.
>>108480594Lay down a drop cloth.Blue tape some plastic to the ceiling and tuck it under the drop cloth.
>>108472389shopvac solves that
>>108472383drop cloth. respirator. Shop vac. clean suit. plastic roll. rubbing alcohol.
>>108475861Same can be said for a hot chick with aids.
>>108480594>>108480626>>108480695This is why soldering should be avoided unless you are a laboratory or a factory. This is an absurd amount of increasing complications as one problem feeds into another.
>>108480825Should I not sand drywall mud if I'm not a lab tech or a factory worker?
>>108480825You can make a fume hood with a shopvac, some extra tube, and some sheet metal or just thick sheets of plastic. Just run the ass end of the vac out of the building.
>>108472283>Stop using leaded solderNO
>>108480843>comparing drywall to fucking heavy metal dust
>>108479596That loose solder is all very easy to collect and deal with.
>>108481924You literally need an industrial grade HEPA vaccuum cleaner to do that, or manually wet wipe. If you actively desoldering, you need an asbestos tier decontamination cycle because you will have glitter on your clothes, which can be impossible to detect or remove sometimes.
>>108482626>de/soldering makes lead glitter everywhere!>can i see it?>NO!
>>108472283>Mechanical keyboard>solderIsn't past your bedtime gramps?
>>108472283lead poisoning isn't exactly forever, it takes a long time but the human body can metabolize itwhich does not mean that you shouldn't worry about it however, if you're regularly coming into contact with lead, especially in it's liquid or gaseous forms, you should wear protective gear and use lead wipes or similar removers for your work surfaces and/or tools
>>108472283that's just not how that works anon.i've used leaded solder in the past, proper hygiene and you are fine, my blood led levels were never elevated.picrel last blood test.also did cadmium, arsenic and mercury, anyway, i'm more than fine.
>>108482904oh for the record the blood test is from january of this year.arsenic, cadmium and mercury in picrel.
>>108482904>>108482910and yea, i get my blood tested once or twice a year, pretty much always the same.
>>108482915>>108482910>>108482904>no posts in the bait thread since the guy with tests showed upim sorry anon but I think you fell for a honeypot and OP probably is datamining the fuck out of you to find you IRL
>>108483550>OP probably is datamining the fuck out of youdude, those tests are the only posts i made in the thread.why would he even try to find me irl?why would he even care?also the lab i did the test in doesn't even know where i live, it's not even in the same country as the on i live in so good luck i guess lol.
>>108483550>>108483567also i fail to see how heavy metal blood tests are valuable info especialy for a random person.
>>108472283>this is coming from someone who ate lead paint chips when they were a kid
>>108472283YOU CAN PRY MY 60/40 FLUXLESS FROM MY COLD DEAD HANDS.
niggas are barneyfagging solder now
>>108473700Is there someone going around and rubbing lead in children's eyes?
>>108472323>retarded fish babbleirrelevant, not the same kind of lead.
>>108472323>if you spend 8 hours a day soldering.How long so you think a session is?
>>108482746see >>108479596>>108479228
>>108485085Yeah, those are easy to see and clean up.
>>108485108>those are easy to see and clean upnow try looking at a real world example
>>108472283>antinuclear tards finally found out about another element other than uraniumCan't wait to see the biblical tier meltdown you guys will have when you find out about the more interesting kinds of asbestos.
>>108480860>draw the rest of the owl
>>108480695>rubbing alcoholBad idea. Alcohol will react with flux and other inorganic chemicals on the PCB and create a white conductive residue.
>>108480626You will never be able to clean a PCB by hand, it is simply impossible. There will be dust left behind or residue under SMD components and microchips, causing failure.>>108482806Soldering and mechanical keyboards are inseperable, yet they are a guranteed suicide for your keyboard if you attempt it.
>>108472283>blocks ur pathnothin personnel kid
>>108485164Again, easy to see and deal with.What is the problem exactly? Though, honestly, there's no reason you should get that much solder splatter on your PCB. It's basically incompetence at that point.
>>108485554>yet they are a guranteed suicide for your keyboard if you attempt it.Lol. I've done repairs to my keyboard. It's not hard.
>>108485605>Again, easy to see and deal with.In your head maybe?>Though, honestly, there's no reason you should get that much solder splatter on your PC>What's the problem?Invisible dust-like LEAD particles going airborne or sticking to surfaces and being carried everywhere? Not a little concerning when it worms its way under ever crevice, especially on PCBs? Why do solder shills never bring up the accumulation of particles when they tell people to desolder or during safety guides?
https://youtube.com/shorts/7Rz7rYUSuWILook at this shit, the UTTER lack of hygiene standards self learned internet people poison others with. Touching all those solder particles bare handed, opening the glitter jar, working on a TEXTURED WHITE SURFACE so you cannot see the particles. No wonder it appeals to third worlders with a life expectancy of 60.
>>108485892>Invisible dust-like LEAD particles>InvisibleIs the lead in the room with us right now?
>>108485164>blurry as fuck photoAre you sure that isn't just flux splatter, or even regular dust?
>>108472323>the average fish has 4 pounds of lead
>>108472283The default solder you can buy has no lead anyways, you need to specifically order leaded solder from aliexpress.And its rarely even usefull.
Airplane fuel is still leaded so you're inhaling lead anyway and you don't even know it. And there are air filters for soldering that you can buy that'll pull the fumes before they reach your lungs.
>>108472383Also if that shit gets sucked into your laptop/electronics, it will kill it in no time.
>>108488063Is jet fuel?
>>108488448Turbojets are not the only airplanes around.
>>108488063This shit is much more of a concern than leaded solder to me. Much higher lead concentration than automotive gas ever used, being dumped straight into the air. It's been found that living near airports and under flight paths has a direct link with elevated lead levels and side effects.Extra aggravating since there actually are alternative lead-free fuels, but they're mostly caught up in red tape, or smeared to hell and back even though they're perfectly fine in most planes (see G100UL).
