Gemini says browsers would be 90% smaller if they just dropped legacy support.So all the effort has been put into bringing ancient web to modern PCs when they could just bring and keep the modern web working on old PCs.
>>108475014ok then do it
i dont care?
>>108475014And the all of web is pretty modern. Web development is defined by using the latest versions of everything, for security and vanity reasons.
>>108475014Gemini says that 99% of websites will just fail to display if it removes all that shit. Should we do it?
The browser-as-an-OS (baaos) paradigm is the issue
its not only about legacy/old code, its also about retarded new features, like web portals, os in the browser and other stuff like that.JS would be much better if you left it around ES5, without hardcoding promises into it (leaving space for better variants/competition).i compiled OpenSSL recentlylibressl based on 1.0, libcrypto-4.dll ~ 1.3MBopenssl 1.1.1, libcrypto-1_1-x64.dll ~ 1.6MBopenssl 3, libcrypto-3_1-x64.dll ~ 5MB (though i didnt compile it, maybe some static lib in there)so, this theory dont reflect reality.
>>108475014>Firefox 1.0 installer: 4 MB>Latest Chrome installer: 142 MBYeah, it's definitely the legacy support and not the bloated cancer Google has been pushing into html5 to stop other people from making their own engines.
>>108475014Are browsers too big? Backward compatibility is awesome.
>>108475014>gemini saysInto the trash it goes!
>>108475014"Smaller" meaning... disk size of an installed web browser? Who is that a problem for?
>>108475014Dropping legacy would shrink the browser codebase a decent amount. Browsers still carry:Quirks modeAncient DOM behaviorsOld CSS parser edge casesIE-era JavaScript quirksTons of deprecated Web APIs…but it’s nowhere near 90 %. The real size explosion (both on-disk and especially in RAM) comes from modern complexity:Full sandboxing / site isolation (security, not legacy)Blink/WebKit rendering engine + V8/JavaScriptCore (huge JIT, garbage collector, WebAssembly)Entire media stack (video codecs, WebRTC, Canvas, WebGPU, etc.)Dozens of Web APIs that basically make the browser an entire operating systemGoogle’s own extra telemetry, sync, translate, password manager, etc. baked into ChromeIf you forked Chromium and stripped only legacy support tomorrow, you’d still have a massive binary. Look at Ladybird (the new from-scratch browser) — they’re starting clean and it’s still a huge undertaking because the current web is just that complicated.Also, the “most of the web is modern” counter-argument in the thread is correct for consumer sites. The sites that would actually break are:Government/enterprise internal toolsOld SaaS dashboardsRandom mom-and-pop sites from 2008–2015 that still get traffic…which is why no one will ever do a clean break. The web’s backward compatibility is both its greatest strength and its greatest curse.
>Doesn't support ancient hardwareSo it rids the internet of jeets? Maybe it's a good thing after all.
>>108475014>legacy support.AKA all of Asia
>>108475014>designed to "guess" what the developer meant if they forgot to close an HTML tagsgml isn't ambiguous about this and it is not a guess, but ai thinks it is because many people think it is and repeat it
>>108475079I don't see why not. People can still use Chrome for that.
>>108475014>Gemini says browsers would be 90% smaller if they just dropped legacy support.And I say browsers would be 99% smaller if we removed the totally useless shit that was added after 2001.
>>108475014>Gemini saysThat was your first mistake.
they act like legacy features are the reason for the bloat all lies btw it's the modern garbage responsible for all the bloat
>>108475014>Gemini says
I want to make my own operating system (kernel too) as a lifetime goal, and one of the end goals is maybe posting on /g/ with it, but porting any of the common complete browsers seems impossible without making the OS yet another Linux. Also I don't want to use GTK and GTK styles but to create something nicer.>>108475111What is the smallest browser anyone can currently post on 4chan with? I bet I could make a megabyte-tier browser by myself, but if there's something portable I could use that.
>>108475014What gemini doesn't know is that anti-bot technology like cloudflare depends on such legacy browser specific shit to force you to use a real browser to access a website. Cloudflare uses a lot of techniques to check if you are really using a browser to have a good estimate if you're a real user.
>>108475284Jeets use modern phones. Chink brands sell new phones very cheap to indians.
>>108475550a terminal browser with no javascript. you would need to buy a pass to use it i think
>>108475014gemini can lick my nuts
>>108475266literal chatgpt output
>>108475014>Gemini saysdidn't read
>>108475592New AI features are wild.
I find chatbots nice, and Gemini nicer than ChatGPT. And I'm unemployed, so it doesn't matter if they're wrong.
>>108475683ye, Altman had a chance to show some gratitude after aack-tropic acked, but seems he keeps doing the same stuff..
>>108475014The problem is the web is dog shit wrapped in cat shit to begin with. You can polish that fucker to a high shine, but it'll always be a piece of shit.
>>108475079Yeah I'm sure those 99% websites are of very high quality and very important
>>108476386Leave my boy Sprott and his fractals alone!
>>108475014it's retarded to call tables legacy supportyeah, no one's using them for layout anymore but people still use for them for actual tables, you still need to support that
>>108477260What are you telling me google's AI is retarded? Say it aint so!
>>108476386fuck you anon you just can't appreciate a good fractal
>>108475550you don't need a browser even, you just need to be able to send requeststo make it pass jewflare however oh boy good luck
>>108475550> What is the smallest browser anyone can currently post on 4chan with?4chan requires cloudflare checks to work, so you need a fully modern browser. Most of the web is the same way.
>>108475111Who cares about the size of an installer that is going to download most of its files anyway. Are you retarded?What would be an interesting metrics if final installation size for example.
>>108475014A lot of goverment websites will break because they all use jquery and bootstrap 3
>My random schizo nonsense generator says some schizo shit, so it must be the literal truth!Are zoomers genuinely this braindead?
>>108477775It's genuinely over anonzoomers trust ze machine 100% of the time now, even if it makes zero sense like in this examplenow imagine what's going to happen when governments get to steer these chatbots
>>108475014LISTEN UP BROmodern web is bloatware garbage. i swear on bahrat, we can compress the entire internet to 1/1000th its size if we just stop being subhuman about coding.all you actually need for a minimalist protocol is:TLS (for the security, obviously)Markdown (stop overcomplicating text, anon)<20 KB image sumnail<mp4 direct link only <10 simple widgets <10KB struct schema for input and submitthat's it. literally it.if you write the NEW web browser in Rust, it would be 10MB easily. no cap. the current web is just a israeli psyop to sell more RAM and electro garbage. do the needful and rewrite it already.please share this my knowledge, thank you for reading bros.
>>108477761>is going to download most of its files anywayBoth of those are offline installers that don't need to download anything else, and you could have checked it yourself, it would have taken you less tan one minute.But, of course, since it contradicts your meme ai, and you things can't check things by yourself anymore without resorting to "@grok is this real???" you just assume that anything that contradicts your beloved ai is wrong, even when it posts the most retarded shit.You're beyond salvation.
>>108478940that's not me, though.
>>108475014If you made something new that could do all the things a browser can do but didn't use HTML/CSS/JavaScript, it would be even smaller.
>>108475014What if we instead drop both the legacy support and the modern slop, just having some cryptography, some table layouts, and basic css on top of them?
>>108475014Apple is already aggressively forcing a clean slate with mandatory QUIC even though they're not a web company. Honestly I find this whole thing very Great Reset coded.
Government should mandate standards for websites.
>>108479993>they're not a web companyThey have their own Web browser and they're a part of WHATWG, are they not? The only reason you might say they're not a "Web company" is because they struck gold with the native app store model, so they're not gonna do anything to help the Web take that away from them (with straight up sabotage as long as they can get away with it).Anyway, got a source on that mandatory QUIC?
>>108480036lollmao evengovernment bureaucrats are incapable of doing anything technology related
>>108478770i mean, i do believe you. even my internet banking website, some of the most basic functionality, takes way too long to load anything on my phone that's not even a decade old. we can make lean stuff that loads fast but we simply don't because everything is gay and fuck you.
>>108480178i am sure the EU will bless us with something incredible to solve the stop killing games thing
>>108480178Because of libtards like you.
>>108476386I liked shit like this. I also loved schizophrenic conspiracy sites with a bunch of pages of totally delusional, rambly writing about the government and aliens and bible quotes. Among the links on the home page full of weird gifs and incoherent sentences, you might find another page where they're selling some homemade BBQ sauce or t-shirts or some shit for cash mailed to a P.O. box in some literal who town in the Mojave desert.
>>108480199>stop killing gamesDo you have any ideas yourself as to what a possible legislation might look like?
>>108480240name one thing a government organization created in IT in the last 20 years
>>108480248the best result is they do literally nothingthe second best result is requiring an explicit warning on storefronts that "this product relies on private servers and may cease operation at any time"the worst result is they actually wade into the mix and try to create legislation to solve the "issue"
>>108480282>explicit warning on storefronts that "this product relies on private servers and may cease operation at any time"that would be decent enough. i don't think they can realistically hope to push for much more than that. i don't think there's any reasonable way to mandate that vidya should be preserved if the creators themselves are hell bent on doing the opposite.
>>108480275Everything china has created.
>>108480380you mean stole from EU, Korea, US and Taiwan?
>>108480384Holy cope
>>108480384Everything any of those have done also was subsidized by the governemts.
>>108480401funding companies does not equal actually building out the infrastructure or research
>>108480428Sometimes government provide the infrastructure to make it possible, spacex would have happened without NaSa
>gemini says
>>108475014>public libraries would be 90% smaller if we burned every book published prior to 2020
>>108475014It’s time
>Gemini says
>>108475014>Gemini says browsers would be 90% smaller if they just dropped legacy support.So? Since when has browser size been a relevant metric? Browsers could increase in size 200 times and it would not matter.
>>108475014>drops legacy table-based logicStopped reading there.
>>108477775AI is trained on the sum total of all human knowledge. Why would you expect it to be anything other than more right about anything than any one human given that no one can know everything? AI is the closest thing to omniscience we have and it is invariably correct about all topics. Any so-called errors in output are a consequence of improper queries of the oracle.
>>108475014We could just drop modern web instead? I don't need anything other than displaying text and maybe some images. (((They))) are the ones who need tracking surveillance stasi inside my fucking browser.
>>108475014That doesn't solve the issue with websites being bloated pieces of shit (without adblockers).
We basically took all the technology that was previously outsourced to Plugins and ActiveX and shoved it in the browser core.If you look at some of the APIs that modern web browsers have it's basically a operating system within an operating system.
>>108480275name one good thing anyone created in it in the last 20 years
>>108475078>muh secuuuurity bitch
>>108475014Why can't Gemini just do it then?
