Anything related to the mid 2000sbuild one before all the hardware disappearslist partsrecommend OS and software, games...tips and tricks etc
>>108478460install frutiger aero
More a 2008 build tho.
>>108478460Kill yourself, zoomer nigger.
>>108478477there was no vista in 2005
>>108478460based Strogg enjoyer
dead thread
>>108479070if I make a 90s PC build this would get a 100 replies
>>108478460windows XP, right?
>>108478460Here's my build from 2005:MOBO: MSI K8N Neo4 Platinum (nForce4 chipset, PCIe 1.1, SATA2, SLI support)CPU: AMD Athlon64 3000+ (upgraded to X2 4800+)RAM: 1GB DDR 400 MHz (upgraded to 4GB, although it would only run at 333 MHz)GPU: Geforce 6600GT 128MB (upgraded to Geforce 630 1GB)AUDIO: integrated SoundBlaster Live! 24-bit with EAXHDD: 250GB (upgraded to 2x 250GB in RAID0)PSU: 417W Thermaltake (which randomly exploded one day, thankfully without killing the system)MONITOR: 17" CRT Samsung SyncMaster 795MBOS: WinXP (upgraded to Win7, tried Win10 later but the installer wouldn't launch due to missing CPU instruction support)I daily drove this bad boy until 2013. It could even run Skyrim and StarCraft 2 at high settings.
>>108478482Man do I miss speakers like those. Today's ones are cheaply made and not functional.
Optiplex, 750ti, and larp that you spent enough to post in this thread
>>108479142Do it.
>>108478482I really want a high quality CRT.The extremely expensive widescreen Trinitron would be peak.
>>108478460what's the point? on a modern computer you can run any program made in that era
>>108478460I'm currently looking for a good AGP gpu for my w98-xp dualboot computer, currently have a fx 5200 wich is surprisingly ass despite being 256mb/128bit, I went for the dualboot route since I do not have a lot of space and I don't want to hassle with unplugging and plugging towers all the time
>>108482947Pay up!
>>108482954For the same reason retro consoles are a thing despite emulation fixing 99% of the problems. Real inmersion when using the actual correct hardware.AlsoWhy aren't you people playing the best game ever?
>>1084830057800 GS?
>>108483005How is the CRT hooked up?
>>108482954I bet you're fun at parties
>>108483016does it have w98 support? It looks too new for w98
>>108483029The last Nvidia card to support Win98.
>>108483005Maybe something like 4600 Ti, newer cards don't have fog tables and other features older games require.
>>108483017rtx 2080 display port > dp to vga converter > vga to component converter > component inputand custom resolution to output to 15khz, works great and looks good for just having basic maintenance
>>108483379Interesting but cool and looks good too
>>108483379It's not 15khz
>>108483379There's a anon on /vr/ claiming it's not 15khz>>>/vr/12477569
>>108483467I don't care, these are my settings and they just work
>>108478486We still had the general aesthetic without the transparent glass. There was some custom theme manager for XP that would crash all the fucking time, but it worked okay enough if you don't mind instability.
>>108483479>third worldie>it just works!Yeah in 480.
>>108483500I was expecting you since the first picture, but you took your time
>>108483511Expecting who?
>>108483500What's the issue of it being 480p? Isn't that better than 240p?
>>108483549Depends on what you're trying to achieve and why you're trying to achieve it.
>>108483565Um... that doesn't really explain anything
>>108483575What needs explained, are you retarded? If you don't know the difference between 240p and 480i you don't belong here.
>>108483588What needs explained is why you are implying it doesn't work because its 480p, and why "working" implies it being 240p.
>>108483500does >>108483479 look like 480 to you?
>>108483600It's in relation to another thread anon, keep up.>>108483606That looks like nothing to me. You literally cannot output 240p from hdmi/dp without a proper converter and no generic plug and play converter does the job. It doesn't matter what you're setting your resolution to using the tool, it's still 480i.
Are we calling low end PC building mid-2000s now
>>108482608Gen Alpha will call the 750ti mid-2010s PC build instead of low budget low end for le nostalgia
>>108483617>You literally cannot output 240p from hdmi/dp without a proper converterthis isn't anything new retardbro
>>108483628It's useless to argue with some people. They won't even try and if they ever find out they will act like they always knew.
>>108483628No one said it is. People are shitting up a thread on /vr/ saying that the generic converters output 240p lmao.
>>108483634because they do?
>>108483635They literally do not.
>>108483637whatever you say
>>108483637They do retard. Why the fuck do you talk like you know when you clearly know jack shit
>>108483500>>108483600That Wega doesn't even do 480p, not even over component. Educate yourself before posting useless dumb shit. https://crtdatabase.com/crts/sony/sony-kd-27fs170
>>108483637holy dunning kruger effect
>>108483643Or this
>>108483656No one is saying 480p, we're saying 480i because it's in 480i.
>>108483661>No one is saying 480p>>108483600>it doesn't work because its 480p>480p
>>108483658That idiot has been shitting up that other linked thread from /vr/, and when people stopped replying to him there, he came here to say the same stupid bullshit after someone linked this thread on /vr/. It's just like those Instagram whores posting seminude pictures to get attention
>>108483661GPUs these days can't even do interlacedRefer to >>108483656>Educate yourself before posting useless dumb shit.
>>108483666Do you not know how post replies work on 4chan? He's replying to this post >>108483600he added the 'p' because he's ESL
>>108483687Post >>108483656 is replying to >>108483600You blind?
>>108483687Shit I meant to link >>108483588 lmao
>>108483667Anon it's 2026 it should take you 5 seconds to post a video showing your HDMI/DP going out to a shitty converter and then your advanced display settings showing the active signal is 240p if what you're saying was true. Instead you have not.
>>108483687NTA but a 2080 can't even do 480i
>>108483661>we're
>>108483696Why should he spoonfeed you?
>>108478482>2008 buildmiss me with that shit I just have an Xbox 360 (everyone devved 360 first and fuck the rest in that period)
>>108483706at this point he's just pretending to be retarded to bait
>>108483706It's not spoonfeeding it's burden of proof you fucking absolute retard.
>>108483719Stay clueless and ignorant I guess.
Wait, why do retards think their modern gpu can do analog signals? Is this because of the tiktok vcr shit?
>>108483500kek ironic calling others thirdie while being an absolute moron
>>108483696Post your own CRT if you even have one to be talking about them like you know shit.
>>108483724They are using a DP to VGA adapter, retardo.
>>108483722Weird, I can show my PC running 240p no problem. Yet it's spoonfeeding if you do it? Or maybe, possibly, you fucking can't and you're wrong.
>>108483730Which would output 480i like anon said, look at your advanced display signal resolution.
>>108483736It would output whatever you feed to it. We aren't talking about those HDMI to composite adapters that are locked to 480i.
>>108483746It's genuine discussion though.
>>108483728Which one?
>>108483739So it should be simple to post the picture/video that shows that. Yet no one has.
>zoomers think they are getting 240p from their little shitty chinese converters from their hdmi/dp
>>108483769>>108483778>>108483790damn imagine the butthurt
>>108483803Instead of saying people are butthurt maybe you should prove otherwise and just show them they are wrong
>>108483817The can't
>>108483817it's funnier this way
>>108483819Who is this the Can't?
>>108483825
>>108478460What's wild is that my last build was so long ago that my ASRock motherboard has 4 RAM slots; 2 for DDR2 and 2 for DDR3. You can't mix and match, so you can't put in 32GB of DDR2 and 32GB of DDR3 and have 64GB, if you put anything in the DDR3 slots it will ignore what's in the DDR2 slots. After I retired that machine, I switched to buying laptops, so that desktop is still sitting around my condo with 16GB of DDR2 from a previous build. I had planned to eventually upgrade to DDR3 but never got around to it. I wanna say this was around 2005ish and socket 939
>>108484016>16GiB in 2005Damn!
>>108481939ye..
>>108483017You can get 15kHz 240p output from pretty much any graphics card over DP with a VGA adapter, some may need to do it via super-resolution due to pixel clock limitations. If you want to get 15kHz 480i, then the ways I know work is to use certain (older, usually) AMD graphics cards with CRTemudriver on Windows or with some kernel patches on Linux AFAIK. Other kinds of cards may also work on Linux with said patches. The pixel clock limit may still be there which would require you to use super-resolutions as well, but with those older AMD cards that seem to be most compatible that is not the case and they can just run native directly.
>>108484326>You can get 15kHz 240p output from pretty much any graphics card over DP with a VGA adapter, some may need to do it via super-resolution due to pixel clock limitations. Can confirm. I don't know why people think this is some secret or not true. >If you want to get 15kHz 480iYou can get 15kHz interlaced output from most older GPUs, like a GTX 960 even with a DP to VGA adapter. I used a GTX 960 for that myself. It's only newer cards that don't support interlaced modes anymore, both Nvidia and AMD.
>>108484446>You can get 15kHz interlaced output from most older GPUs, like a GTX 960 even with a DP to VGA adapter.Yeah, but not all DP to VGA adapters work properly with 480i. I have 3 and only 1 actually works and I bought a specific model after looking it up to figure out which one was good for this use case. Also I believe you can get 480i out of new AMD cards with the Linux kernel patches, like 7000 and even 9000 series cards. Haven't tested this myself though since I don't have any of these cards.
>>108483480stylexpUsually broke instantly after a Windows Update, go figure.
>>108478460a FX5200 is more than adequate for a 2000/2001 build. and there's a lot of them for dirt cheap. and glide wrappers run on it really well.it's only extremely bad a for a mid/late 2000s build, ie. DX9 and newer games
>>108484603>Yeah, but not all DP to VGA adapters work properly with 480i.Probably, I've only bought the recommended ones myself. >Also I believe you can get 480i out of new AMD cards with the Linux kernel patches, like 7000 and even 9000 series cards. Haven't tested this myself though since I don't have any of these cards.I have heard that too but I can't try either.
>>108484326>>108484446>>108484603Onboard works too, don't even need a graphics card. Both DP adapter and those with onboard VGA. Gotten 240p and 480i out of older Intel HD iGPU (Haswell) and 240p only with newer ones (Skylake).
>>108484663Yes, iGPUs can work too. VGA outputs on newer mobos can be hit or miss though, because they often aren't "real" VGA but just one of the same converter chips used in dongles placed on the mobo. If you get lucky, your mobo may have a chip which can do 480i and it's all good. If not, then it won't work just like not every DP to VGA dongle works. Worth trying out if you have it before you buy another external converter though.I have an AM4 mobo and a 5700G with a VGA output, the chip on the mobo unfortunately can't do 480i in my case. Works great under Linux with the correct external DP to VGA converter though.
>>108484790True. With the Skylake though I couldn't create interlaced modes at all though, only progressive 15kHz worked.
I miss my old 64 X2 6000+ & Radeon 4770 HD shit boxWas late 2000s but whatever, that PC served me well
>>108483005comfy and sovlful
>>108483379Can I see your advanced display settings active signal resolution?
>>108483005Looking good
>>108483012is that a trans simuatlor?
>>108483005>fx5200>surprisingly assthat's literally the poster child of ass gpus, how is that surprising
>>108490493This. Boomers will know.
>>108490514I suppose it was a while ago, zoomers may not know about it
>>108483790who gives a fuck? let people play the fucken games. it could be 100x100, if the game is fun who fuckin' cares?
>>108490590Tech illiterate retard be gone.
>>108490590You think it's okay to be an ignorant retard? Jesus, covid and education really fucking dropped the ball on zoomers.
>>108490590This isn't /vr/, we're not talking about how fun the game is, we're talking about technical schematics.
>>108490590>let people play the fucken gamesthis isnt your baby gaming board dipshit
>>108490590You're as retarded as the retard who thought it was 480.
>>108490590Do you know where you are?
>>108483668>>108483697>>108483724Shut up. Nobody who cares about native analogue output is upgrading beyond Maxwell.
>>108492014Maybe try to keep up, we aren't talking about on GPU VGA output but DP to VGA adapters.
>>108492047Fuck off. The comments I replied to were specifically talking about GPU analog/interlaced output.
>>108492124Nope. 2080 doesn't even have analog out, kiddo.
>>108492125Kill yourself.
>>108492141Boo, fucking, hoo.
>>108492124And modern GPUs don't have analog, not sure what your issue is.
I want to build/acquire a Win98SE rig one day, because I want to simulate the life of a 98 baby duck and because any vidya that doesn't run on 98 is not worth playing.
Its from 2010, but I have been meaning to do something with this and am sort of unsure. It uses so much power I hate to use it just to play XP era games.
>>108492393Can't use more power than a modern system lol
>>108492404its pretty close to matching my current desktop in power use.
>>108492441Is your current desktop just as shitty?
Absolute must play from the mid 00's if you like FPS with a horror twist.Beware if you have a Logitech mouse/keyboard, for whatever reason the drivers cause massive frame rate drops in game. Also recommending Prey (2006).
>>108492466I miss the pvp of this game like you wouldn't imagine. I loved kicking people.
>>108492455no, thus the delima on what to do with this old thing. My current system has a r9 5900XT + 4070tis and only pulls about 400 watts at load. It doesn't have 60 watts of hard drives, or 50 watts of fans to deal with.
>>108492494So get SSDs and new fans?
>>108492494A hard drive uses like 5 watts though, you have 12 hard drives in it?
>>108492553>>108492562pls understand, HRT makes brain go flat
>>108492562a hard drive uses about 6 at idle and 10 during writes/reads. There are 6 drives.The question was really more along the lines of what is this thing even useful for. It is not old enough to be legacy, and not new enough to be relevant. That and its effing massive.
>>108492589Install XP, it's useful for 00's games.
>>108478460But why? Why would you buy old hardware (that can die any moment) if you aren't some kind of collector? Buy modern stuff. Not the strongest, most latest expensive stuff but something that is ideal for your gaming taste.>But old WindowsTheme your Windows or Linux into 9x or XP>But DOSUse Dosbox-x.
>>108478460>build one before all the hardware disappearsAnon... that's all I have....
>>108478460Grab whatever happens to be affordable at your local thrift store, flea market, yard sale, pawn shop, craiglist, or ebay; then put XP SP3 on it. Optionally get a PS/2 mouse and keyboard and one of those cheap 4:3 or 5:4 flat panels off on Amazon and some cheap desktop speakers that match the color of your desktop. Archive.org is a great place to find games, download them in ISO format and burn them to CD.
>>108493646Modern Windows and emulation are boring. Half the fun is working with old hardware that can die at any moment. Its like driving a classic car that you dug out of a junkyard.
>>108492466Who downloads drivers for a keyboard?
>>108483724Some modern mobos have a vga output. I don't know if they're capable of 240p though.
>>108492253San Andreas runs on 98?
>>108494064probably does 240p but not 480i
>>108494073I find that drivers tend to hate low resolution more than they hate interlacing. Nvidia hasn't supported low resolution (sub 480) modes since 2008.
>>108494084I could get both 240p and 480i out of a GTX 960 and 240p out a RTX 2070 with normal drivers. The pixel clock was too low so I had to use super resolutions of them but otherwise no problems.
>>108478460What's even a point of a retro PC? You can run just about anything through combination of dgvoodoo, dxvk, ddrawcompat, magpie/lossless scaling, 86box or just plain old virtual machine.>you wouldn't get it zoomieMy first PC was a 486dx2 with monochrome crt, I see no point in ever returning to any of that crap.
>>108494340Of course you can, but where's the fun in that? Also if you want to get autistic about it, going way back there is a latency benefit and some things just do look better on CRT even if compared to shaders. Even if we stick to strictly retro PC, as in Wintel / x86 PC-compatible.
>>108494069It's not officially supported, but it does run, yeah. Early builds of Half-Life 2 also run on 98.
>>108492589It also uses like 25w+ when spinning up so...
>>108494064They only do 480i>>108494222If you're using a super resolution you're not getting true 240p.
>>108494340You are not experienceing the software the way it was meant to be
>>108494340Its fun. Emulation is soulless and boring.
>>108494683I know about that. Actually, the launch build of episode 2 will work on 98 as well, but that was patched out very quickly. So its only the launch build. Another fun fact, you could only get the launch build from steam on launch day, as the copy on the DVD release was broken.
>>108496728>They only do 480iDid you even read the thread before posting? See >>108484663 >If you're using a super resolution you're not getting true 240p.For the CRT, horizontal resolution doesn't matter. It's as "true" as any other 240p signal, 320x240p, 256x240p, etc. It's the length of the timings in the signal, not the numbers you see on the host side. If you hook up a oscilloscope, the signal is the same. If anything, that's the best quality signal you can get.I think that's where most people get confused.
>>108498219To add to that, the horizontal pulses to the beam get driven straight from the DAC, they are transparent to the CRT.
>>108496728>If you're using a super resolution you're not getting true 240p.this is false, something like 2560x240p is still 240p. crt's in general have no concept of horizontal pixels, only the line count matters. a point filtered 2560px wide picture will look and act identical to say a 320px wide picture
>>108498816sounds like cope
>>108499096it's not. it's a good way to work around minimum pixclk rates of modern cards.a crt doesn't care if a dot is derived from one pixel or 8 pixels, in the example i gave the dot is the same period of time so to a crt the signal is literally the same. and i do mean literally.it's like, what's the difference between an analog signal that goes high for 1/320th of a horizontal line, or 8/2560th of a horizontal line? there is no difference, the analog output is exactly the same
>>108499190
>>108499208if you know something i don't then please go ahead
>>108499210Unless you can output the proper true resolution then you're not doing it. Silly workarounds because "it doesn't count or matter" doesn't mean anything to a literal point that's being made.
>>108499245you're still not getting it. if you scale the horizontal components to a multiple of the one you want (note that this includes hblank as well), then the analog output is quite literally the same. not approximate or good enough, but the actual same. because all that matters is when the signals change voltage. outputting the same voltage 8 times but also 8 times quicker results in the same signal as doing it once but 8x slower
>>108478460All 2000s PCs were mid. Well, I guess the first-gen i7 (2009) was pretty good.
>>108478486>2005There were betas. The Longhorn betas were out before that for a long, long time.
>>108499276you were saying?
>>108499274You still don't get it. I'm being literal in my statements.
>>108499276Holy retard post alert. Pentium 4 and Athlon 64 were fire and don't you dare say a bad thing towards the god CPU the Q6600 you stupid bitch ass faggot.
>>108499300even if we were to count horizontal resolution, your original statement that it's not 240p is still wrong. 240p is called that because it means only 240 progressive-scan lines. It doesn't define horizontal res, and ot doesn't do that because that's meaningless to a crt
>>108499331Why are you even bothering with the retard?
>>108499405what I don't get is what his problem is, is he actually clueless or is it some superiority complex (I know it's the same guy from /bst/ threads that uses crtemudriver) this is a good alternative method for crtemudriver when crtemudriver is not an option or not worth it
>>108499331My point is being literal, not sure why you can't comprehend that. A super resolution is literally not the resolution I'm stating. You can't just focus on one half. >>108499434Huh?
