is it an in-place replacement for x11? if so, how can I use it? I have old hardware and can't user wayland.

>>108480295
I don't know how to use it.
I just use KDE on debian 13 and it all works fine.. I don't think KDE supports X11 anymore.

is it backwards compatible with my wayland apps? if not then it's doa

>>108480548
Your wayland apps haven't deprecated x11 anyway.

>>108480295
>active development
lole, just like every other chuddy protest fork am I right?

>>108480548
You can open a wayland window in x11. works with kwin_wayland and weston, I haven't tested other window managers

>>108480573
Nope. Commits coming in almost daily.

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>>108480295
Does it have ALL of the following yet:
>HDR
>VRR when not in exclusive fullscreen
>fractional scaling
>seperate framebuffers for each monitor
>seperate refresh rates for each monitor
>The ability to not make the compositor go ballistic in fullscreen
>Middle-click pasting disabled by default
If not, I'm sticking with Wayland. Pic unrelated.

>>108480598
Unlike Xorg troonware, Xlibre has experimental HDR. They released the first demo just two months ago.

Fractional scaling I have no idea. I always found it stupid to increase resolution just to scale it back down.

>>108480616
>I always found it stupid
Try using a 4K monitor at 100% scaling lol

>>108480334
https://github.com/X11Libre/xserver?tab=readme-ov-file#switching-to-xlibre

>>108480598
You don't need any of these features.

>forkware made by a /pol/tard with no prior experience
no thank you

>>108480295
Why would I use it over Wayland? What does it bring to the table

>>108480693
It was made by ex-Xorg developers you moron.

>>108480693
>a /pol/tard

Who is also a Jew

>>108480295
>>massive performance improvements
???

>>108480710
Proof?

>>108480620
>Try using a 4K monitor
No lol
Anything higher than 1366x768 is cope

>>108480295
Currently getting over triple the fps on wayland out of mpv. I miss having the windows spawn at the right position and size but if it's gonna cripple mpv that hard, I'll get over it.

>>108480536
KDE still supports x11 but not for long. That's where SonicDE comes in https://github.com/Sonic-DE

>>108480620
>fractional scaling on a 4K monitor
200% is perfect at 4K

>>108480598
>fractional scaling
Its the responsibility of the application to scale itself correctly, the windowing system cannot do that.

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>>108480588
Grim

>>108480620
>Try using a 4K monitor at 100% scaling lol
I've been daily driving this since 2017

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>>108480587
> You can open a wayland window in x11
That’s the way wayland was developed for over a decade! Arguably, it’s the best scenario because all the dev time was spent in it.

>>108480334
> old hardware
Other than wayland being significantly slower, and relatively importable, it uses the exact same graphics drivers.

>>108480573
Artix Linux - active since 2017
Devuan - active since 2014
Nitrux - active since 2017

These are just three of the well-known non-systemd "protest forks". Effectively all forks could be called protest forks, though. It's a retarded term to begin with.

So far, Xlibre looks pretty good. I wish them well. I prefer Wayland, though.

>>108480830
> Anything higher than 1366x768 is cope
Sadly, that rings true. But I also realized that at the rate UI “design” is burning screen real-estate to drive people to higher resolution monitors is increasing. Windows now complains (yet still works) at 768

>>108480295
>massive performance improvements
citation needed

>>108481121
>Artix Linux - active since 2017
even that is a bit misleading. Artix is the fusion of two projects (Arch-OpenRC and Manjaro-OpenRC) that were active before that

>>108480295
metux is retarded, though. The entire reason xlibre even started was because xorg rightfully rejected his shitty PRs.

river deprecated xorg.

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>>108480708
>ex-Xorg developers
developer*, you know, the one who barely did any testing, broke shit constantly and had to get most of his code reverted anyways.

>>108481121
You have no idea what a fork is skiddie
Maintaining a repo and a forum for the 6 people that use it really isn't all that work, a whole display server though? One as obese and unmaintainable as Xorg?
Yeah good luck LMAO Retard has nothing else to spend time on and will drop it immediately after getting a job maybe someday

>>108480295
This piece of shit is made by the same guy who was yapping about the covid-19 vaccine creating human subspecies on the kernel mailing list. Not surprisingly he was told to shut the fuck up by Torvalds.

>>108480598
I don't care about this X vs Wayland retardation, but why do you consoomers need so many useless features everywhere?

>>108480295
No hdr, yet

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>>108480598
use case for any of that shit?

>>108481582
He did that? Holy shit he is even more based than I previously thought.

>>108481649
So they can make believe they are not ignorant of technology

>>108481649
None of those are useless unless you live in the stone age of computers. Might as well say having colors is a useless feature.

>>108481677
Yes, he did. https://lkml.org/lkml/2021/6/10/957

You're retarded though.

>>108481724
Based confirmed.

>>108481724
Linus just cant seem to keep his idiot trap shut about things he knows nothing about. Cant believe I ever respected this moron.

>>108480295
X11 is working well enough and i'm lazy

>>108481738
I can assure you with 100% certainty you know absolutely nothing about mRNA or vaccines. Give me one concrete reason (other than lizard conspiracies) of why the vaccine is bad.

>>108481833
reverse transcriptase

>>108481841
and?

>>108481715
Literally this: >>108481687
You really can't use a monitor without VRR, HDR, and fractional scaling just to be "techy savvy" and updated???

>>108481841
You're thinking of DNA vaccines which are only used on animals anyway.

>>108481833
NTA but
>mRNA that goes absolutely everywhere, causing accumulation of spike proteins in random cells that normally would never be affected by the virus

>>108481833
Lets start with the 10 page list od side effects from Pfizer's own documents.

>>108481862
producing toxic spike proteins forever is objectively bad
>>108481867
DNA doesn't integrate via reverse transcriptase, it's not RNA

>>108481754
One of the biggest fall from grace in software, I'm glad Stallman is always the weirdo he is

>>108481877
Ok, your immune system fights the antigen (spike protein) and your lymphocytes remember it in case of an infection. It doesn't stay inside your cells forever.

>>108481895
Yeah and you know what happens when your immune system fights the antigen?
Inflammation, in many places that are severe if having one like the myocardium or nerves

>>108481890
Reverse transcriptase turns RNA into DNA you fucking idiot.

Also, every single fucking virus you ever got infected with produced RNA inside of your cells

>>108481917
do we have different ideas of "the vaccine" here? mRNA is still RNA and can definitely integrate via reverse transcription just like millions of viral genomes have throughout evolutionary history.

>this thread
any time you get mad on /g/
realize this is the kind of person you're arguing with

>>108481934
No, it can't (reasonably). The vax doesn't have any mechanisms. You're more at risk of a DNA plasmid integrating than mRNA vaxxes.

>>108481954
prove it
prove the mRNA has the manufacturing quality that every molecule of RNA is exactly the one Pfizer claims it is.
prove that blasting billions of these questionable RNA molecules inside lipid nanoparticles that can enter any and every cell and start retasking cellular machinery don't enter the nucleus and get caught up in reverse transcription.
there are already studies showing in-vitro integration
there are studies showing continued spike production 2 years later in vaccinated individuals.
prove it.

>>108481979
He ignored my answer about the production of spike proteins in tissues that normally wouldn't be infected by the virus, so it's obvious that he's arguing in bad faith

>>108481833
mrna is bad for the same reason why neu5gc is bad. except for it's worse because now because you are forcing your cells to produce more of it instead of just giving your immune system something to remember

>>108480295
just installed it, running Ubuntu 24.04 and installation was trivial. will see how it goes.

>>108482178
Very curious to hear about your experience with it anon.

>>108481189
still waiting on an answer, since a maintainer is obviously shilling here

>>108482259
I booted up with it installed and the only difference was my nextcloud desktop sync app showed up where it normally starts hidden.
my own GL4.3 software is working just fine, brave is working just fine, and gnome is not visibly complaining. I do run an amd RX 6650 XT on open source drivers.
I'll try out factorio, helldivers, and istripper and report back

>>108482292
I'll let you know my subjective opinion in a little while, anon

>>108481833
Nor do you, or they, which is why you shouldn't take it without getting paid or a pre-existing condition that makes the risk worth it. But you're a retard so you took it anyway, lol. Not my problem. I had it twice and was perfectly fine even with asthma.

>>108480295
I may switch if they add it to arch official repos. Until then I'm sticking with X11.

>>108481917
proof that you get "infected" by a virus and they're not solvents against toxins in your body?

Most important question to me - is the dependency tree any different (leaner?) Or, is it all the same? In that case, Wayland is superior, but this is definitely better than Xorg, no contest. Even if only in spirit.

>>108481121
>Nitrux
Just for the track record - I find all of those (Artix, Devuan, Nitrux) in essence to be taking one step forward, and two steps back, for my needs anyway, so it doesn't make XLibre look better if you're comparing it to them.

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>>108482360
>using arch

>>108480598
>>fractional scaling
Yes
>>seperate refresh rates for each monitor
Yes
>>Middle-click pasting disabled by default
Middle-click pasting is not a feature of x11/xorg, it's a feature of gui toolkits such as gtk. You can disable middle-click paste in settings in some desktop environments. X11 doesn't actually even have a protocol for clipboard

>>108480295
>massive performance improvements
where

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>>108482501

>>108482350
>I do run an amd RX 6650 XT on open source drivers.
GPU manufacturer doesn't matter from experience. I have machines running AMD, Intel and Nvidia (including one running hybrid graphics), and they all work with Xlibre. all games I've tested work fine too, just like they used to on X11
>t. using Xlibre since it was added to the Artix testing repos

>>108481833
Let's start with the obvious: IT DIDN'T EVEN WORK LMAO

>>108480839
>200% is perfect at 4K
If it's a 23" monitor, yes. Otherwise no.

>>108480682
>>108481663
fuck off with this shit. I want basic high end features or shove your unfinished trash up your ass

>>108480839
>I miss having the windows spawn at the right position and size
Maybe they'll implement session restore in the future

>>108482292
my objective experience is I'm achieving 60fps in factorio which I did before
my subjective experience is that I am pleased to be running one less freedesktop application
>>108482259
I got caught up in factorio so if this thread is still up tomorrow I'll try out helldivers and see if I get better fps (I probably won't but it probably won't be worse)

>>108480295
I use Wayland.

>>108483250
Is that with or without vsync?
How is the tearing? XLibre has supposedly fixed that.

>>108483261
TearFree has always been enabled in xlibre since the first release

>>108481833
Why are you even bothering to argue about this here expecting to get an intelligent response rather than "haha you took it i didn't fag" to boost their egos
No one here is a pharmacist, Linus isn't a pharmacist and nor is metux.

>>108480295
I just use it because TearFree actually works with intel's modesetting driver, otherwise it's been identical.

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>>108480588
Focusing on a high commit frequency is a dumb metric, it signals the opposite of quality. Measuring a project by lines of code is equally stupid. Jeets and code monkeys love to boost about both.
This is my main gripe with XLibre: so far the people who worship it do it mostly because the guy spams commits like a maniac. What a pathetic benchmark.
I value quality over quantity, and every serious critic of metux agrees. His code is sloppy and amateurish, full of dumb mistakes like >>108481229.
Nothing to write home about. Stay where you're at and you'll be fine.

>>108480295
I just use cinnamon and don't think about it

>>108480295
Do I actually need a WM with neteork server capabilities on my personal computer?

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boy I sure wonder what kind of schizophrenic rant he went on this time.

>>108483497
a lot of it is the actual contributors shilling it everywhere, I've already noticed several posts here written in the exact same way metux tends to shill it elsewhere. it's an obnoxious project to hear about constantly at this point with little to actually show for it.

>>108480598
>>Middle-click pasting disabled by default
Middle-click pasting is the reason I and many even use Linux to begin with

>>108483535
based retard

>no distortion, exaggeration, and insinuation
Assuming that these people have nothing to do with the warmonger, then sure, I'm all for it

>>108480598
Ctrl-Alt-Backspace as well. What else are you supposed to do when a poorly coded desktop app crashes the entire stack?

>>108483805
ssh and kill the process, chud

>>108480713
NTA, I don't know about the particular /pol/ jew who forked this, but purely from statistics? Drop a penny on /pol/, you can count on one hand who stays standing up instead of crawling to pick it up.

>>108480839
>SonicDE
Is this the new TDE?

>>108483519
I do X-over-ssh all the time. X is a network protocol. Period. The fact that Wayland isn't is why I don't care about it. It doesn't scratch my itch. It doesn't even try to.

>>108480295
Does it work with Nvidia 340 drivers?

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>>108483921
>Does it work with Nvidia 340 drivers?

>>108483933
Yes. I like my Dell D630.

>>108483535
It's the worst antifeature tho

>>108483951
back to >>>/r/eddit normie

>>108480295
Still using x11
You lost tranny

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Fuck Red Hat.

>>108482924
low iq

>>108480620
xft.dpi is much better than shitty blurry fractional scaling.

>>108480295
evil chudware made by people who voted for Donald Trump

>>108480588
yeah right, more like comment commits LOL

>>108483497
>>108481229
this, I haven't used it but it's probably SHIT, Red Hat already agreed that wayland is the future

>>108484174
this was made in Styles from GIMP I assume

You are free to use GEGL Styles however you want but I oppose using it for intimidation and tribalism, in principle X Libre could be a good project but currently its a bigot magnet.

>>108483529
It literally has HDR lol

You know, the thing that Red Hat loons tried to shill for YEARS was not possible in Linux and when Wayland finally FINALLY got it, they tried to shill that there was no other way and X11 simply could not ever do it because there was no feasible or technical way to make ancient X11 work with HDR? Yeah he got that working month one.

How's Wayland btw? Oh still broken? LOL

>>108484584
This, thousands of lives are at stake, bigots have no place in open source software nor polite society.

>>108484584
>I assume
You assume incorrectly. There is nothing bigoted about that image or post. Go be a stupid ignorant faggot somewhere else >>>/lgbt/

>>108484600
incorrect, you shill bigotware. Are you not aware the creator wants me and my family all killed?

>>108484605
based creator

>>108480295
>crashes librecally

>>108482512
>Middle-click pasting is a feature of gui toolkits such as gtk
what do you think gpm implements, you retarded faggot?

>>108484605
Metux wants you to get vaxxed?

>>108484584
kys retarded tripfag

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>>108484605
I also want you killed

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Technical skills and code quality wise, metux looks dumb as a brick. Won't touch anything written by him even with a 5ft pole.

The guy first needs to prove his many years commitment and worth for me to care in the slightest.

Also this >>108481387. The likehood of him dropping xlibre by some inane reason is quite high now. We'll se in 5 years...

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>>108484605
>incorrect
hurr durr no u
>me and my family all killed
1. I doubt you have a family. 2. I doubt the creator even knows you exist. 4. I doubt you care whether you or your alleged family even survive, seeing as how you embrace lies over truth. :\ You are disappointing anyone who thought you were somewhat intelligent. I suppose it is a case of 246 matches.
You should be worried about Satan, who wants your very soul to be lost.
>shill
I said ``Fuck Red Hat'', the opposite of shilling bigotware.
Are you drunk or have the hormone pills reached a critical mass in your brain chemistry and are now inhibiting common sense?

>>108484731
based Terminus user

>>108484648
This except X11 still works fine

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>>108484605
It's more a mix of retardware + kikeware + chudtrannyware, than bigotware. But I get you wanted to sound politically correct since you're full of bullshit too.

>>108484731
Thread soundtrack:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSTUfJjtEOY

>>108484580
Perfect reason to dump Wayland.

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>>108480295

Already installed, based xlibre enjoyer

>>108485012
>cachyOS

>>108485017
Install GNU+Devuan Linux

sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get install -y ca-certificates curl

sudo install -m 0755 -d /etc/apt/keyrings
curl -fsSL https://xlibre-deb.github.io/key.asc | sudo tee /etc/apt/keyrings/xlibre-deb.asc
sudo chmod a+r /etc/apt/keyrings/xlibre-deb.asc

cat <<EOF | sudo tee /etc/apt/sources.list.d/xlibre-deb.sources
Types: deb deb-src
URIs: https://xlibre-deb.github.io/devuan/
Suites: $(. /etc/os-release && echo "$VERSION_CODENAME")
Components: main
Architectures: $(dpkg --print-architecture)
Signed-By: /etc/apt/keyrings/xlibre-deb.asc
EOF

sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get install xlibre

>>108485050
holy BASED

>>108480295
Buy an ad, chud

>>108480295
>no CoC
so if I call the devs little faggot bitches on their discord they won't ban me?

>>108484626
You're a retarded gorilla monkey nigger. When you press middle-click on your mouse, gtk has decided to check the selection owner of the "PRIMARY" property. This is an arbitrary atom defined as a convention in ICCCM. It doesn't define how it should work or which button it uses. When it checks the owner of the PRIMARY property it gets the property data of that. X11 itself isn't aware of a concept of clipboard.
It's just a standard convention that toolkits have decided to implement.
Gnome has disabled middle-click pasting now by default even on x11, in gtk applications: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gsettings-desktop-schemas/-/merge_requests/119

>>108480598
nooooo you're not supposed to use your computer to get work done stooooop

>>108481979
They can't enter ever cell, they're targeted. They don't enter the nucleus because they don't have mechanisms to ensure that. The RNA rapidly decays no matter what and it's being consumed neigh immediately to make spike proteins. You're a fucking idiot.

>>108485370
Probably for the best. I remember 10 years ago accidentally pasting my password into Google. Still seethe about it to this day. To be fair the multiple clipboard shit is really retarded too and only makes it harder. Even in Windows when interacting with webslop VDI shitware, it's not always clear what garbage I'll copy or paste.

>>108485397
prove it

>>108481866
>you only need 32 bits of color (256 per channel), ignoring that every single color has massive banding issues the human eye can observe.
Fuck off.

>>108485425
By the nature that the vaccine was approved for human use and that incidents of mistargets were extremely rare (myocarditis). Cope.

>>108485435
Begging the question fallacy, Just another propagandist with circular arguments, sucking himself off.

>>108485435
>Prove it
>"Okay!"
>proceeds to advertise a product.

>>108485435
>approved
by emergency use authorization
>myocarditis
it's like 1 in ten thousand nigger. that's hardly rare when you stick it in a billion people, and it's only been 4 years, we need another 6 to detect cancer rates.
regardless, it's not my or my family's problem to worry about, so good luck with that 10 and 25 year cancer outlook

>>108480295
>it doesn't work
>but it's libre!

>>108485510
It works flawlessly and is also libre.

I feel sorry for anyone still trapped in the Xorg/Wayland corporate capture.

>>108485510
I'm >>108482178
it literally just werks

>>108480295
As, an Xlibre user, I've been trying to determine how to harden against a particular threat model:
SystemD and Non-SystemD
Sandboxed broswer (apparmor and/or VM w/ X11 forwarding or RDP)

Basically, you're stuck using RDP on a VM on Xlibre/Xorg to sandbox your browsers from the 0day the feds could be sitting on to spy on software refugees moving away from systemD to escape spyware.
Wayland is the actually "safe" option, assuming it hasn't been comped (lol).
Looks like we're surrounded.

>>108485533
They can use X to escape the vm, but you still have RDP.
Wayland has waypipe.
The init is less likely to be exploited than the serves running on the init, or any applications on your computer.
Most users don't harden their systems.
Non-systemD distros have plaintext logs.
It would be irrational to expect that the feds don't or wouldn't have root 0-days.

X11 can be used to profile a target.
https://grok.com/share/c2hhcmQtMw_f232e846-1e41-42da-ac45-f6c92c7dd187

Xlibre, Artix, and Brave have something in common, their ideological appeal.
Xlibre(by virtue of being X) and Brave have something else in common, they are backdoors for behavioral analysis.

>>108485641
Prove it corposhill.

>>108485646
I'm pretty sure there's already a metasploit module for that.

>>108485653
Prove it corposhill.

>>108485646
What part of my statements are you even contending with? That Artix, Brave, and Xlibre are both marketed to chuds? That X11 is vulnerable and can be used to escape a VM by the nature of the protocol itself? That exploiting X11 would provide the most granular behavioral analytics data possible about a user? Pick one. Most of this is just common sense and how to sandbox.

>>108485664
So what you're saying a chud like me who denies anthropomorphic climate change and doesn't take vaccines should use flatpaks and wayland? I will consider it, thank you for the advice.

>>108485688
genic*

>>108485477
>>108485483
>>108485489
>Um actually the VAXX does all this schizo bullshit I can't prove
>wtf you can't use the product information as proof, despite it being sufficient for every world government
>actually this extremely rare interaction is a big deal even if it's a statistical rounding error

It's pathetic that schizo retardation on this board is probably worse than even /pol/ at this point. You lot should legitimately kill yourselves and stop shitting up /g/ with your low IQ takes. You losers probably make the systemd schizo threads, probably make these XLibre shit threads while shitting on wayland and everything else. You are the cancer killing /g/.

>>108485688
No, I am saying the feds have a vested interest in spying on software refugees escaping age verification and digital id. So they can determine the types of people that they are in granular detail. Just think about how Brave you are for falling for the sales pitch when you do it, chud.

>>108485705
>wtf you can't use the product information as proof, despite it being sufficient for every world government
Begging the question, appeal to authority, appeal to consensus
Try again

>>108485715
All things you already did. You lost.

>>108485720
I'm not the one faced with the burden of proof, and I haven't done any of those things.

Pretty telling that half of these threads are now just butthurt over alternatives to corporate slopware. The increase in butthurt over XLibre is a good sign that they are going in the right direction.

>>108485688
>>108485699
Czech'd doubly so.
For those confused: anthropogenic is the word they meant instead of the furry sciences. ;3

>>108485731
Ideological appeal, not even justified by ideology, but blind egotism. It's easy to point this stuff out and consider it before you make the choice that they are tricking you into.

>>108485705
Most people who took it got infected with the very virus it was supposed to prevent my dear

>>108485722
>THE VACCINE REVERSE TRANSCRIPTS INTO YOUR GENOME
>Pfizer literally says it isn't possible since they don't have reverse transcriptase
>PROVE IT
kill yourself.

>>108485744
strawman; just a blatantly false accusation that I said something that I didn't
try again

>>108485731
Pretty telling xlibre trannies can never point to any real change and the change log is amateur tier C shit code like adding a "safe_free" function that just does if (!ptr) free(ptr)

I'm in the Artix Army! I'm a Brave Soldier! I'm an Xlibre Xtroidinairre! I know all about my ideology. I worship the UNIX philosophy! I know nothing about software.

>>108485784
Holy based. Make sure to add a note that you schizo post current event garbage into forums and mailing lists randomly too.

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>>108485756
Calm down, faggot. I'm sure X11, whose developers want you to literally stop using it, is going to be improved with new features any day now.

>>108485790
Translation:
>"I used 'based,' I'm one of you, trust me. Listen to my mealy mouthed bullshit and, like, vaguely agree with my underlying sentiment or something, idk"

>>108485740
Vaccines don't guarantee you won't be infected. All it does is strengthen your immune system to a particular antigen, which could mean the infection being neutralized instantly or making the symptoms mild.

>>108485793
>still can't point to any change
>issues are full of people with crashing X servers because all the changes are garbage
>people still forget the whole XOR != exponentiation fiasco
you're a moron. lmao.

>>108485824
I never got any virus I have been vaccinated against. Sure sounds like you got scammed.

>>108485793
Turns out, they have good reason. You can't sandbox in x11 unless you use RDP or virt-viewer.
It's a security nightmare, particularly in our state-sponsored spyware future.

>>108485832
no one even claims flu vaxx prevents the actual disease. you're just a moron who doesn't understand immunology.

>>108485848
What kind of a retard vaccinates themselves against the flu? Vaccines are useful against diseases that are actually dangerous.

>>108485832
Got the vaccine for free. Pay up retarded burgerbro.

>>108485862
This website is for adults. If you don't pay taxes you are a child and will be banned.

>>108485826
>still can't point to any change
You are right. There's no way of finding out what's different between the two. If only there was a repository where the changes are recorded.
>issues are full of people
Good thing it is in active development, otherwise these bugs may never be squashed, like in X11.
>>108485842
If only there was a way to change the code of the software to make it better. I wish there was X11 fork that addressed its issues.

All anti-SysD distros are CO.
Xlibre is CO.
>>108485869
The protocol is vulnerable, not the impl.

If their solution to digital ID is to gimp the default security of unskilled and uninformed users, they are controlled opposition.

>>108485869
>latest commit
https://github.com/X11Libre/xserver/commit/cf7c358d5bb2
anon.... this retard still doesn't know how C works.

You don't have to be on the take to be controlled. You just have to be where they want you.

>>108485871
>All anti-SysD distros are CO.
Wow were da joos behind dis

all this shilling and I have yet to see what it actually adds aside from just shuffling code around. even the HDR mentioned earlier was just an outright lie.

Why are trannies mad about xlibre again?

>>108485927
>>108486057
>"We don't have any facts, what do we do."
>"Just heckle them lazily, bro."

>>108486085
Okay so the facts are what? Some features not panning out very well? Why are you trannies so hell bent on destroying a maintained x11? Just don't use it, I just want to know why you troons have such a weird hate boner agenda on these kinds of projects and don't tell me you don't because it's glaringly obvious. I would potentially understand the hate more if xlibre was looking to overtake wayland or something but it's clearly not so again... why the hate agenda? Is this just troon hive mind shit or what?

>>108486132

>>108485579
>>108485620
>>108485641
>>108485871
>>108485885
>>108485914

>>108486132
Anyone need more evidence than this poster that they are being socially engineered?

>>108486149
That doesn't explain anything. It's just some literal troon schizo making shit up or exaggerating nothingburgers. The truth I about you libshit retards is that you always project what you're doing. You keep crying about controlled opposition but knowing how you morons operate that's just you telling us exactly what you're doing.

>>108486188
Did you dilate today?

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>>108486188
I do. How can you prove you aren't tryin g to do what you claim has been done to them yourself.

>>108486193
>>108485885
Dispute this.

>>108486196
"How can you prove you aren't tryin g to do what you claim has been done to them yourself." Not a complete sentence.
Not a matter of proving intent of the part of the poster because people are stupid animals who repeat things they don't understand.
Tu quoque is a logical fallacy.

>what does it do?
>"TRANNY TRANNY TRANNY TRANNY"
manchild project I guess

>>108486198
Show what the fuck you're talking about. What does xlibre have anything to do with digital ID? I can't dispute some made up troon theory, the troon just slaps back with more made up shit as they like to do.

>>108486216
You too retarded for simple logic, so the explanation I already gave isn't owed to you again.

>>108486206
>im not controlled opposition YOU are
>doesn't even know how to greentext
uh, paid much? first time posting?

>>108486228
I started a sentence with the word "not" instead of "It's not" because of my dialect.

>>108486227
You just made up a random sentence with buzz words that have no meaning or sources, your word is worthless, retard. You people are doing a fucking dog shit job at whatever this shit is that you're trying to do. You are random noise in the background. Annoying but meaningless.

>>108486239
jeet nigger

>>108486244
The random noise in the background is the shit coming from your offal mouth.

>>108486244
Why do I need a source for something a priori?

>>108486251
Still no sources past grok, I'm not making any claims past calling you out on your retarded bullshit being fake and gay and your response is to act like you're in a position of authority on an anonymous board. You faggots are so insanely transparent. Fucking pathetic. Troon hive mind at it's best.

>>108486267
>>108486264

>>108480295
>Vibe-coded X11
shiggy

>>108486264
>>108486275
>but but I DID post source earlier
>no sources
>refuses to post sources
>refuses to link to sources past grok
>refuses to acknowledge a source
ok tranny jeet

>>108486292
A priori. Don't need a source. It's reasoning. You can reproduce it with the laws of logic.

>>108486296
>the laws of logic
Wow, we have a reddit athiest here, cool. I accept your concession, though jeetplato

>>108486292
Do I need to explicitly insert all of the ifs and thens?

>>108486310
You should post your nose

>>108486306
You lose by default, now. All credibility in the discussion: gone, and bad faith: confessed.

>>108486317
I'm an Irish catholic, I'd rather show you the freckles on my cock.

>>108480295
>stream 4k video in a browser on a miniPC
>x11: stutters
>switch to wayland
>doesn't stutter
that did it for me

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>>108486306
I remember a lot of 4chan kids grew up learning to discuss topics using pic related. It was both sad & heart wrenching.

>>108486319
>continues to speak from a position of authority
I already told you moron, you have none here. You're the one making claims you are in the position to defend your claims and you refuse to then dance around it with nothing statements.

>>108486325
>irish catholic
Oh, so you're just an alcoholic mick potatonigger

Gonna have to switch to sway ASAP after the shill slaughterfest ITT.

>>108486352
It never ceases to amaze me how you people project. It's actually fascinating.

>>108486356
I already did. It's impossible to not be opposition that is controlled if you are promoting an insecure system as an alternative to spyware. Intent is not part of the question.

>>108486352
Using reason is the pretentious thing to do. Somehow pretending to understand things and saying cuss words isn't pretending.

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>>108480839
>SonicDE

>>108486363
>It's impossible to not be opposition that is controlled if you are promoting an insecure system as an alternative to spyware
>Intent is not part of the question.
This is a nothing statement and these two things directly contradict each other. You libshits are impossible.

>>108486356
Do you realize just how much more alcohol I can drink than you without ever becoming an alcoholic?

>>108486395
There's no contradiction at all. You don't have to intend to be controlled opposition. You can be duped into doing against your own interests without even realizing becuause of one of the following: Money, Ideology, Compromise, or Ego.

>>108486360
I've coming to 4chan for ~20 years. Anecdotal: sure, projection: you are a stupid faggot.

>>108486400
>look at how much alcohol I can drink
>im not an alcoholic, trust me bro I just drink a lot

>>108486413
I don't actually.

>>108486413
See how you'll use any excuse to make shit up?
I've already thought about that.

>>108486411
>I've coming to 4chan for ~20 years.
Wow congrats you're old AND stupid
>Anecdotal: sure, projection: you are a stupid faggot.
Now you're literally projecting lmao.

>>108486424
Rick?!? From RICK AND MORTY? WOW! Can I have your autograph?!?!!?

Gee, I wonder what's under this rock?

>>108485359
funny enough no

>>108486425
>old & stupid
hurr durr ad hominem
>Now you're literally
You called me stupid. lol

Welcome to 4chan, newfriend, enjoy your stay.

>>108486445
Stop watching TV it's rotting your brain.

I like how GNOME shills successfully turned an XLibre thread into a thread about the vaxx

>>108485359
you don't need coc to ban people

>>108486456
I just signed up to 4chan last week, thanks retard.
>>108486459
No, I only watch big bang theory. You wouldn't get it.

>>108486474
>I did it guys look at my clever retort

>>108486451
it's the fucking VAXX

>>108486486
Is that what all the crawlies are? I could have sworn they were bitching about something else.

xlibre: we're gonna update this thing because wayland isn't perfect yet
pronoun in bio: THIS IS CONTROLLED OPPOSITION I NEED TO SHOVE MY IDEOLOGY INTO THIS SOMEHOW AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH

>>108486499
Point to my specific ideological concern or appeal. I'll wait. Keep lying though. It's your only option, and I zombified this thread to prove it by manipulating you.

get gamed on
nigger nigger nigger nigger
spiders under the rock

>>108486495
Oh nah, /g/ does't bitch about technology anymore. we bitch about /pol/-lite crap and ignore actual technical questions

I mean we could have an xlibre thread and discuss how it's an interesting stopgap until we find out if PhoeniX has a future, but instead we should look like a bunch of loonies bitching about the vaxx so GNOMIES feel successful and get to save lots of screencaps about the "average xorg user"

>>108486499
It's not even "pronoun in bio". It's "Literally works for IBM/Red Hat in Bio".

For some reason Open Source is rapidly just becoming a fifth column for big tech despite the fact it used to be the wall standing between it and free software.

>>108486521
We don't have time for stopgaps. Harden your systems.

>It's explicitly free of any "DEI" or similar discriminatory policies. Anybody who's treating others nicely is welcomed.

>It doesn't matter which country you're coming from, your political views, your race, your sex, your age, your food menu, whether you wear boots or heels, whether you're furry or fairy, Conan or McKay, comic character, a small furry creature from Alpha Centauri, or just a boring average person. Anybody who's interested in bringing X forward is welcome.
https://x11libre.net/
It's hippie kumbaya shit. At least they're going back to the roots. UNIX was started by smelly hippies on LSD at Berkley in California.

>>108486506
>kek I wasn't acting like a retard, I was PRETENDING!! HAH!!! MANIPULATED!!!!
world's most sane Wayland user.

>>108486533
Context clues, dumbfuck. I'm using xlibre.

>>108486533
I don't have to pretend. I just have to anticipate the psychology of CO,

>>108486533
>>108486535
Uh oh! Friendly fire! Such is life in anarchic development.

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>>108486527
We have as much time as Wayland/GNOME has to stop ignoring its users thousands of corner/edge cases and start making concessions for its userbase. Which means we have infinite time because they will never stop trying to shoot Linux in the head.

Wayland STILL doesn't have analogs to some of the most requested features like seamless RDP or VNC or hotkeys that doesn't involve hacks like Portals and it never will because a fat, bearded tech-ogre will sit up from his mountain of hot pockets and belch "HDRHUHGGHHHH USE CASE????"

>>108486557
Trust trust and trust people!
Intelligence.

>>108480839
Sonic looks very promising already. Thank you for bringing it to my attention. Gonna try it out this week.

>>108486548
>>108486535
>No I was PRETENDING to be a nigger retard, HAH!!! MANIPULATED!!! FRIENDLY FIRE!!!!
wow my apologies for considering you a nigger retard because you act like one.

>>108486525
You can't fight liars who willfully are ignorant with facts. They don't care. They simply derail, silence, or flood till the truth is drowned out. The end is nigh and already declared.
>>108484174

>>108486559
What does that matter if X11 is a backdoor that can be used for behavioral analytics by the feds who are passing laws globally to fore you to let them spy on you, while anti-security distros and projects are moving in to to sell you a false promise?

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>>108486530
>It's hippie kumbaya shit.
Yes not wanting massive corporations to install plants who do nothing but cry rape all day for power is hippie kumbaya shit and not

>Literally how all Open Source was ran until about 6 years ago during covid
Shut the fuck up. Having developers with enough of a spine to tell you to eat shit is part and parcel of the most successful parts of Open Source

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>>108480295
I've been using Xorg for like 15 years straight and I have no issues. Forking it like that is fucking retarded.

>>108486574
>What does that matter
What does it matter if a WM has shit people actually want to use? wow, great question tech-ogre. Want to make more spy thriller fanfiction while Wayland literally lets anyone spy on its users through portals defeating the whole purpose anyway? Wayland users love that shit! It seems their one and only hobby is hallucinating a worse-case imaginary situation that involves having root access anyway.

>>108486578
>You're not not a fedora tipper if you can't predict how shills respond to true facts, bro.

I use Wayland and I get off to the idea that strangers are watching the same porn as me.

>>108486587
If you had been paying any attention you'd realize that Red Hat stopped updating PRs for Xorg because "It's finished shut up" and was holding back things like
>Numerous speed increases
>HDR
>Scaling fixes
Of which are now available in XLibre and that's why it needed to be forked.

>>108486591
Kewl features are just a dark pattern if they're gonna get you hacked or spied on. No different than installing 15 toolbars from a shitty windows install wizard.

>>108486587
Anon, they are killing it and will stop shipping it. Forcing distributions that kowtow to use wayland. If it wasn't forked, what would your choices be other than what they offered you?

>>108486592
>hah I acted like a nigger retard again, watch me manipulate u, owned!!!!
ok nigger retard. i love the double negative because you barely speak english

>>108486606
>ok nigger retard. i love the double negative because you barely speak english
This is bait.

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>>108486597
>>108486605
I just read about it after typing that post of mine. I'm switching to XLibre right now. Fuck red hat and other big capitalistic companies.

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>>108486601
>Kewl features are just a dark pattern if they're gonna get you hacked or spied on.
Like Portals
>NO NOT LIKE THAT!!!

I just wish Wayland niggers would just admit they've made a really shitty version of X11. For all the time and money they spent, they STILL need an XWayland to deal with their shortcomings and they STILL compromise their "Security first" approach, just ten years after everyone asks for it.

It's not even an XLibre thing, Wayland is legit the worst ran project in open source.

>>108486613
>I'M JOINING THE IDEOLOGY SO HARD. I READ IT AND I'M CONVINCED! PLEASE SNORT THE FENT IN THE COKE, IMPRESSIONABLE READER!

>literally all software has security vulnerabilities
>THIS IS CONTROLLED OPPOSITION
I'm gonna live on a farm and shoot all the shitbird spy drones around me until the government pulls a ruby ridge on my ass for existing outside the internet.

Will GTK drop X11 support too in the future?

>>108486620
>>108486610
ok nigger retard.

>>108486624
people still use gtk?

>>108486619
So how can you use wayland to get comprehensive behavioral analytics of a target? Seems like you're deflecting from the fact that that's the problem with X11 in this scenario.

>>108486624
Yeah, this year.
https://itsfoss.com/news/gtk-drops-x11/
Want X11? GTK4 or nothing. GTK5 won't have it.

>>108486620
Seethe harder corpotranny.

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>>108486620
Yes.

>>108486635
Cool. Fuck all DEs that rely on it then, Xfce included. Sonic it is I guess.

>>108486639
What corpo have I supported? Anti-corpo ideology doesn't change brass tacks, that't why you keep distracting from them.

>>108486634
This is such bad bait that I can't tell if it's a false flag or not. If you used Wayland you would realize Portals open you up to as many vulnerabilities as X ever did and X11's vulnerabilites are still fucking supported. XWayland is still a thing that exists.
https://github.com/mikeroyal/Wayland-Guide
Shut the fuck up you braindead motherfucker.

>>108486640
k pedo

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>>108486651
Literally IBM
>>108486654
Konata is a wonderful drawing who is made to be appreciated. Here's my license.

>>108486653
You provided the most vague possible source and appealed to an idea of superior knowledge because you are lying.
>>108486664
Acknowledging that one piece of software is more secure by default than another isn't support for a corporation. Try again.

>>108486632
Unfortunately if you want to use XFCE, you need to use GTK. I'm hoping the migration to QT goes smoothly but XFQT is a long ways out

>>108486653
Use more cuss words to make it seem more convincing like you feel like you're so right next time.

>>108486672
>You provided the most vague possible source
Oh cool the schizophrenic can't read either and doesn't know what portals or xwayland is.
Just shut the fuck up and admit you're pretending to be a shitbrained nigger retard.

>>108486682
You are only doing this because it is not what you say it is. Nobody acting like you isn't misrepresenting facts.

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>>108486680
>MOOOM, HE SWORE ON THE INTERNET
shut up nigger.

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>>108480598
You don't need any of that.

>>108486691
Why haven't you moved on from pepe, and why can't you creatively develop your own symbolic connections without assistance from funny pictures? Somebody standardize it for you? Sitting in a warehouse? Using an LLM? Peeing in a bottle?

>>108486635
Honestly, good. This will effectively kill gnome and native gtk apps entirely. They've been on a suicide mission for a long time now It's amazing to me people even bother with it. Their entire philosophy is the exact opposite of the spirit of open source and having options. They want to force everyone into one universal thing and I just don't see this working.

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>>108486688
>You are only doing this because it is not what you say it is.
le sigh
linked from that article that you didn't read:
https://biggo.com/news/202511040138_X11-Wayland-Security-Debate
>Users report persistent gaps in Wayland's functionality compared to X11. Global hotkeys, certain types of screen capture applications, keyboard sound feedback tools, and advanced window management features either don't work or require desktop-environment-specific implementations. The fragmentation between different Wayland compositors means that utilities working on KDE might not function on GNOME or other environments.

>Accessibility remains a particular concern, with some blind users reporting that screen readers like Orca still work better under X11. The security model that prevents applications from monitoring each other's activities also breaks workflows that depend on cross-application communication - a double-edged sword that provides security at the cost of functionality.

tl;dr X.org's vulnerabilities ARE Wayland's vulnerabilities through xwayland, Wayland can't live without Xwayland because it's missing every feature a user would need to have a working desktop with working applications. The only way around this is portals, which are akin to allowing anything through that "sandboxed user environment" you love so much but are also the only way Wayland can address the lack of hotkets, window management, screen capture, yknow the things people would want in a manager.

Anyway fuck yourself. I won you lost.

>>108486722
Why didn't you link that first?

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>>108486720
IMO they won't do it, or they'll keep developing GTK3 separately. Too much rides on X11 for them to abandon it now just because ebussy wants to scream "USE CASE??!!!!?!?!?!?!" at every end user.

>>108486722
Because you're lying and you don't know what you're talking about, grasping for a straw that supports your case, as if I at any point, even supported wayland. Read more carefully.

>>108486729
I did, it's in that article which covers wayland's shortcomings as well as an introductory guide to portals and xwayland. Either ways it's not worth discussing anymore. I won.

>>108486750
No, you didn't you linked something else.
Simple as fuck to point that out.

>>108486741
>Loses
>pussies out
I accept your concession.

>>108486757
here you go: >>108486653 I accept your concession

>>108486761
I didn't pussy out at all. You're misrepresenting my positions. You're just a retard bitching.

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Anyway now that the waynig pussy has been BTFO forever with xir's tail between xer's legs, let's talk about the thing we should be excited about:
https://github.com/external-mirrors/phoenix

>Be a simpler X server than the Xorg server by only supporting a subset of the X11 protocol, the features that are needed by relatively modern applications (applications written/updated in the last ~20 years).
>X11 but it's only the modern stuff
BRASE JEBUS

Why do all of the anti-wayland people act full of shit?

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>>108486767
>i-im being misrepresented!!!
womp womp nigger

>>108486797
>casually ignores being raped
womp womp nigger

>>108486737
I seriously hope they follow through so I can enjoy watching gnome crash and burn. It's crazy how far we've come. When Gnome 3 initially came out I defended it because honestly I thought the workflow was decent but then they never really made it better and just locked it down further to prevent people from modifying it. It astounds me why anyone would WANT to be locked down so heavily on Linux.

>>108486800
go back joshua

>>108486800
I wasn't. You see how you need to use reaction images to try to make people feel stuff. That's because you're a full of shit motherfucker, dumbass.

>>108486800
>poke all toads
heh
>>108486816
Go back, retard.

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>>108486812
The whole saga with Gnome 3 and GTK3 is heartbreaking, I loved GTK3. Some of the best of the Desktop Thread (tm) era was with GTK3.

>The wizards who got Vista Aero glass themes working on GTK3
Fucking magical

>>108486800
>"all i gotta do is somehow emotionally augment the stupid shit i say, and someone will believe it"

>>108486795
That's pretty cool. I wish XLibre the best but it is always good to have more than one non-tranny option.

>>108486822
uuuughhhhh i'm so misrepresented he didn't even use my pronouns womp womp try using real software instead of the shit that gives you a mental illness.

>>108486844
I implied wayland was compromised in my first post ITT and said that we were effectively surrounded by CO. Keep up brainlet.

>>108486834
Truly the last GTK before it got infiltrated by corpo-CoC-trannies

>>108486844
ignore that retard, he's getting paid to post

>>108486858
>>108486849

>>108486858
Why do you even reply to them? You know damn well that most of us here are adult enough to imeddiately recognize paid content and just ignore it.

>>108486844
>>108486858
>>108486866
see
>>108485533
Is there anything else you need me to do for you?

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>>108486841
I think the future of X lies in Phoenix not because of anything against XLibre but because there must exist a point where people are fine with letting go of legacy code and only focusing on newer operating systems and hardware. Even Windows deprecates its older drivers eventually.

XLibre would be great for a middle ground and no one is taking X.org away, but at some point something has to come along that is only the newer hardware, and I think that's where something like Phoenix comes in if it ever gets off the ground.

>>108486654
Yep that's me, Todd Howard of Bethesda studios

>>108486876
>You know damn well that most of us here are adult enough to imeddiately recognize paid content and just ignore it.
No, you're not. Most people here are just retarded contrarians led by their nose with egotistical and ideological appeals, just like everyone else alive.

>I implied wayland was compromised in my first post ITT
nigger no one is going to read the hours long meltdown of a psycho who thinks he has a dedicated federal agent with root access on his machine but X11 spying is the thing he has to worry about.

>>108486893
bro if you use x11 it's the same exact thing as shoving a pozzed cock up your ass
source? trust me the feds are watching me
huh? hold on I gotta check out my windows

>>108486886
It's really simple buddy.
If it benefits MS/IBM/RedHat without benefiting me, the end user --> paid content.

>>108486876

As smart as you think you are, the game never changes. They'll always just try to be your friend while playing good cop, bad cop. It always works. It never doesn't.

>>108486338
My chromebook gaming laptop has trouble playing youtube 720p60, I think I should try kwin_wayland given lxqt supports it. currently running xlibre/openbox/lxqt

>>108486912
False. You're wrong. how does me insinuating that wayland is unsafe and compromised in my first post ITT support any of those organizations?

>>108486925
>chromebook gaming laptop
KEK

>>108486927
You sound like controlled opposition.
Source: My federal agent.

>>108486893
>dedicated federal agent
>You sound like controlled opposition.
Turning it all into jokes. You're feds. Hi.

>>108486944
Delete this post and repost quoting the right person.
Source: My federal agent.

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>>108486925
If you're having problems with Xlibre then wayland is going to run like absolute shit for you in general. But you're welcome to-

>My chromebook gaming laptop

>>108486949
I thought about it, but you get the point, so it's not important to do so. Which you proved by responding, pedant.

>>108486958
>I thought about it
I know, our federal agent told me.

>>108486962
We're all in the same room right now tag-teaming this thread. These people won't know what to think.

>>108486933
>>108486957
Yeah chromebook gaming laptop. it's really slow. when I need performance I use my fancy water cooled gaming pc

>>108487097
>chromebook gaming laptop
TOP KEK

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>>108487101
They really have the audacity to call it that, too.
>mfw they mean streaming cloud & mobile gaming
https://www.amazon.com/acer-Chromebook-Plus-516-CBG516-2H-59S4/dp/B0G165GL9C/ref=sr_1_3?sr=8-3

\https://www.acer.com/us-en/chromebooks/acer-chromebook-516-ge-cbg516-1h

https://www.google.com/chromebook/frequently-asked-questions/are-chromebooks-good-for-gaming/