OpenAI will die all the others will live

>>108482156
No shit

>>108482196
yeah that's why I said it

>>108482206
Here we stand, hearts broken in two

>>108482146
cause it cant bring in profit
its expensive to run and people wont pay enough for it to cover the costs

>>108482156
>operates inference at a loss
I will survooooov

>>108482146
When it pops out at last and we paupers are allowed to buy hardware again, we should have a list of the companies who fucked us the most in order to boycot them.

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>>108482146
Cheaper RAM soon finally?

>>108482146
When the investors find out that all the tech was just there to convince them to invest. This slop would be non-existent if it wasn't for retarded boomers who can easily be convinced to invest in it.

>The gambit
AI's power exponentially increases, allowing the establishment of a permanent AI-driven surveillance dictatorship.
Create AI hype train to soak up massive investments. Use said investment money to fund infiltrators into free spaces, ala Red Hat, and lobby governments worldwide to force OS-level identity verification, AI spy cameras (Flock cameras etc). Leverage mandatory identity verification to construct AI surveillance infrastructure.

>The reality
AI is fucking bloated shit that can't survive without destroying consumer markets. The attempt to force mass digital totalitarianism results in transparent collusion between oligarchic figures in the tech industry.
This reveals the true nature of the people at the tops of these industries to the masses, as they annihilate consumer electronic markets to chase their tyrannical dreams.

Womp womp. Sorry, tech oligarchs
Turns out AI is nothing more than a slop factory with literally zero market viability lmaoooooo.

>>108482283
>Cheaper RAM
Relative to the situation we're in, yes (to a certain extent *rubs hands*); relative to what they used to be even a few months ago, lol, lol lmao.

>>108482283
ram...gpus..ssds..hdds.. i hate this new reality

>>108482146
Two more weeks

>>108482311
cope harder tranny. Trump and AI won

>>108482146
They're closing Sora to move the resources to more important projects, anon.

>>108482146
No, I don't

>>108482146
Two

>>108482223
Ok reddit

>>108482728
left
>soulless NWO lighting, cameras in every crevice recording and analyzing your data for palantir, closed cell that feels like a padded room

right
>soulful lighting like the 80s and 90s, easier to clean, window to the outside reminding you of nature

>>108482679
>>108482146
Good. Kill them all. Drop them on their heads from planes flying over Tel Aviv.

>>108482216
Who the hell is serving inferences at a loss? It's dirt cheap and it's still getting even cheaper. And it will be extremely cheap if the bubble does pop.

>>108482146
Two more weeks and ai will disappear

>>108482146
media gen is shittiest use of it currently
it was at best legally questionable shutterstock with a guaranteed PR disaster

>>108483462
>he doesn't know
This is all running at a loss, or at the very least subsidized via the cannibalization of a company's other areas.
Every dollar put into AI infrastructure is costing 9 dollars to run and taking in $1 of payment.
The only AIs that are marginally fiscally functional are things that help sell products/services connected to the company running the AI, like amazon's rufus or google's gemini. And it's still a loss and cannibalizing the finances from other areas of the company.
None. Of. This. Shit. Pays. Itself. Back.
Forget being profitable, which is necessary to continue the advancement of it.
Your money is being robbed by AI people to pay for machines that cost 9 times more to use than people can pay to use it.

Would you like me to crunch some numbers to prove it to you?

>>108482146
the hedged on finding a way to make AI efficient enough to be financially viable and it's turning out they can't. The prices are gonna shoot up and anyone who heavily integrated AI into their company is gonna be fucked

>>108483506
Go on, show some numbers on the inferencing cost.

>>108482146
Pop faster, please. Stop ruining everything, please.

Vibe coding is single handedly keeping AI slop alive and it will continue to do so until AI becomes passable enough as a drop in replacement for white collar positions. There will not be an AI bubble the way you hope there will be.

>>108482146
why would it ever pop? To be clear, the whole industry is fradulent. But so what? Theyre not going to stop.

it's not popping it's just getting deflated to prevent a public popping

>>108483885
this
anyone saying it's going to burst is retarded, these things are already used right now in software development et al
it's not going away

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>>108482156
I'm skeptical that Anthropic will make it too. Cornering the enterprise market is huge, of course, but if they start trying to charge companies at a rate that would actually break even I think a lot of them will balk. Besides that, If they stop developing new models as often to save money they'll get caught up to by the Chinese, who will then open source their model.
I don't see how Anthropic will manage to keep the lights on.

>>108483339
squat toilets are also better for you, as long as you're not obese/invalid and are able to squat in the first place

>>108484127
aren't they closing the gap on being profitable really really fast?

>>108484209
They're probably the closest to being profitable since they actually have a business model. Unless they go public we'll never know.

>>108483885
>>108484086
It's only being used because it's cheap and brings the illusion of productivity. The moment they start charging what it actually costs and people wise up a lot will stop using it.

>>108484328
that is insane cope, the only thing that will happen when they start upcharging is that you find out very quickly if your salary is more than the machine's

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The cooling fan vents through the speaker port.
Sponsored by: SAMSUNG

>>108482146
>OpenAI: waste time building social media site for shitty diffusion model, making deals with disney, other retarded bullshit
>Anthropic: laser focused on enterprise programming

They're trying to reverse course but it's too late. Dariochads won.

>>108483506
>someone on the internet told me AI is running at a loss and now I mindlessly recite it as gospel

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>>108482146
>Cancels 1 billion Disney deal
No, Disney did

>>108484683
The deal was for Sora, OpenAI closed Sora, Disney got chucked

>>108484709
Sorry, Sammy, but you're the one who got fucked in the ass

>>108482146
it won't pop. people still want AI, the problem is the cost. ASIC models are around the corner, and, apparently, they do inference several orders of magnitude faster than GPUs. it's just a little bump on the road to neverending slop.

>>108484737
t bh that weird asic that vomits llama3 8b with 17kt/s was impressive but also was a fucking waste of silicon hardwiring model weight to silicon

>>108484762
I think it's only a matter of time when chinks or someone else puts together fabs that will spit out custom silicon in hours, JLCPCB-style. maybe not any silicon, but limiting it to burning weights would be enough. current cost/energy issues will be overcome, AI isn't going anywhere.

>>108482713
aka they are cost SLASHING as circling the drain, both financially and morally with their shameless grubby sellouts to US Military, otherwise. They are TEETERING on the verge. HANGING ON BY THEIR FINGERNAILS on the cliffs edge, overhanging the Valley of Doom. Going Titsup. Fucked. Finito. Finally.

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>People still want A-

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>>108482146
This is what AI haters look like btw.

>>108485214
>4 data points per series
>general trend still up
huh

>>108485214
My gut feeling tells me it is way higher than that but people don't want to admit AI is doing 99% of their work.
It's also why productivity didn't go up, they let the AI do their work and then scroll their phones for the rest of the day.

>>108485288
I mean, you only have to install Windows 11, it's pretty clear that it didn't get a single line of code written by a real human.

>>108482283
Don't be a luddite

>>108485230
you won tranny

>>108485214
I find the claim that '30-40% (they are claiming its 45%+ now) of the ENTIRE US LABOR FORCE is actively using Generative AI at work' considerably suspect.

>>108485230
How many thousands of times have you posted this image

>>108485328
Please understand, he gets paid half a cent every time he posts it, and that's a lot of money in his country.

>>108482146
>t-two more weeks!!!!
the only bubble in this context is your limited scope of the world. luddites really think OAI is the only AI company and a gorillion other AI video models don't exist and that is endlessly hilarious to me
>saars, yahoo is dying! search engines are done for!
LOL

>NOOOO, You don't understand!!! Anthro-Ack making 5B throughout its entire existence after spending 10B in training and inference plus 30B in the last funding round is crazy gooooood!!!!!

They know democrats will be in power which will pause data centers (and ICE prisons) from being constructed. Combine that with Trump attacking Iran, and tariffs, creating a cost crisis on electricity, computer components. And you have reports of Altman raping his sister…
Combine that with no solid profit model, they have to cancel shit.
Disney will be able to run similar algorithms on their own machines or in another country. Other companies will take over. Its teetering on collapse or a totally different path due to expenses from political blunders.

>>108482146
Two more weeks and AGI [real]

>>108485214
40% of the entire US workforce is using generative AI at work?

Bullshit what exactly are they counting as using it

>>108485513
I'd be interested what percentage, exactly, of the ENTIRE US LABOR FORCE has a fucking computer for a start.

>>108482156
OpenAI is a canary in a mine. It dies = entire sector is in deep shit.

>>108485346
the vids look fake and gay. also it’s dangerous, since boomers fall for AI vid misinfo. Sam should be in jail for releasing this garbage.

The bubble is 100% popping in real time, with energy prices because of the Iran War being the black swan, but I must note that inference is profitable at API costs, though inference has always been a very very tiny portion of total fees, with capex on hardware and training (energy) costs being most of the costs. Inference being profitable still doesn't unfuck the balance sheets on as sort of timeline, and obviously all further improvements to models will have to stall for many years when cash burn has to be controlled. Most likely it will be huge corporations like Google and Microsoft (and Meta, but it looks like they may be giving up the LLM race completely) that continue to burn cash to advance their product offerings and the startups like OpenAI and Anthropic will get acquired on the low by these huge corporations (acquiring them for 1 dollar, since the debts are substantial are possible, but leadership already extracted money via salaries, snd only equity holders will get raped).

Everything is my post is informed and accurate.

>>108485230
Nice source, fagass.

>>108485257
>I don't know how to read a chart.
Maybe learn how to use a toilet first.

>>108485318
>I find the claim that '30-40% (they are claiming its 45%+ now) of the ENTIRE US LABOR FORCE is actively using Generative AI at work' considerably suspect.
I can believe it if it's just it staff they are absolutely not using it for anything useful though probably making video's taking the piss out of the boss or hr lady's while slaking.

>>108483339
based jeet

>>108484328
I don't think you understand how prominent AI-assisted coding is. The overwhelming majority of programmers use it, without a doubt. It's absolutely not going away ever

>>108482146
it's not worth it to generate AI videos for the public at large for free, yes

>>108482146
They didn't close it bc they weren't making money they closed it because they couldn't compete with seeddance and didn't want to look like compelete idiots in a few years when they had made 0 progress

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local model chads stay winning

>>108482223
So that's... AMD, Nvidia, Micron, SK Hynix, Samsung, Arm, Intel, TSMC... anyone else you're planning to boycott? *yawn emoji*

>>108483506
Training is where the loss comes from, serving live models is massively profitable.

>>108483506
>Would you like me to crunch some numbers to prove it to you?
lmao PLEASE do

>>108485214
>It's still up massively from when it didn't widely exist for free
These are your guys' leadership class. You only have yourselves to blame.

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>>108485214
from what i can tell the only 'ai' being deployed and not failing completely to have any business case are effectively new-age expert systems with natural language interfaces. that's probably the only real market for these systems, and i don't think it's going to pay for the expenditures already made.

>>108482146
Sure it is, just like people have been saying for how long now?

>>108483674
>People who invested heavily in cloud AI will be fucked
Fixed that for you

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>>108482146
They're using that compute power to do actual meaningful computations instead. Also their latest model mogs everything on the market.

>>108485288
Nigger, AI is like crack for CEOs, you'd probably get a raise if you can prove that

>>108489948
Yeah the market of shit >>108488118

>>108489968
that post means nothing it's just luddite cope, simple fact is 99% of tech jobs and any job that can be done remotely are replaced with ai and/or shipped overseas.

>>108482679
>Trump and AI won
What do Trump and AI have to do with each other? The only overlap I see is that they both have a subset of supporters who are nothing more than accelerationist, loser neets who want society to collapse because their life sucks.
>artcels and codetrannies btfo, get replaced luddite!
>who cares if tariffs are gutting the economy, at least canacucks and eurotards are suffering!
Why don't you just kill yourselves and put us out of your misery?
>inb4 you call me a liberal tranny
I voted for Trump to kick out illegals and stop Dem culture war shit, not tank the economy and advance the WEF "you'll own nothing and be happy" agenda. Notice how that fat faggot has completely ignored Californias os age verifaction law, he's just happy Newsom did his dirty work for him

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>>108485318
>>108485513
>>108485214
This data is definitely suspect, they have
>Healthcare & Social Assistance
>Hotel, Restaurant, Food Services
>Transportation & Warehousing
All with >20% usage. I work in healthcare, AI use is a HIPPA nightmare and is effectively banned, I couldn't even imagine when a nurse, orderly, pharmacist, lab tech, or radiology tech would even have the oppurtunity to use it. Same thing with the others, when the hell would a truck driver use generative AI? Is my line cook getting recipes from grok on the fly? The only thing that makes sense to me is they're asking IT profesionals who work within those industries, and not the actual workers who make up the core of it.

Yes bitcoin is going to 0$ and AI bubble will pop. Just two more weeks bro.

>>108482146
>>108482215
Why the flying fuck would I pay for sora when the fucking dog shit keeps giving me fucking warnings? OpenAI is retarded if it wants to make a profit open it up to adult content and then put a fucking warning out that content created is by the fucking user. If they create fucking pizza make it like if someone used photoshop or a fucking camera to take real life pizza. For fuck sake man I'm so tired of you fucking anti-AI retards missing the point. I used Sora a few times and it constantly gave me warnings even when I fucking tried to do sfw mundane shit for fun.

>>108482146
The real reason OpenAI closed is because no one wanted to use the fucking thing and scared of reputation. Once Seedance or whatever chinese AI allows for nsfw they will make billions.

>>108487313
I can only get wangp to work right and consistently even with my 5090. comfyUI by itself is dog shit and annoying convoluted dog shit.

>>108482146
Two more weeks and it will be a Tuesday. Ai officially bankrupt.

>>108482146
OpenAI shut down its Sora AI video-generation platform in late March 2026, which directly caused the cancellation of a $1 billion partnership with Disney that had been announced in December 2025. No money ever changed hands in the deal, and the termination was mutual in practice—Disney pulled out immediately after learning of Sora’s closure. The decision was abrupt, surprising even Disney’s teams who were actively collaborating on Sora-related projects just hours earlier.

>>108491151
Disney was blindsided—teams had met with OpenAI on Sora the evening before the announcement. Within minutes of learning the news, the partnership was effectively dead.

>>108482728
This image is hilariously ironic considering jeets are as pro AI as it gets and have squatting toilets.

>>108491151
I don’t think OpenAI knows what it wants to be. They moved the sora team to robotics. And they are trying to compete with anthropic with coding (see codex).

Right now the entire market is turbulent as ai companies try to figure out who they want to be. Does OpenAI want to be a general chat bot and animation/ film generator? Or go into robotics and enterprise solutions. Each AI company will be trying to carve themselves out the best possible niche that delivers the most profit as it can while trying to not compete with other ai providers.
The space is only so big.

I feel like one thing people are forgetting is that a lot of the new AI datacenters have gas turbine generators because the local grid isn't finished or good enough for them.

That cost is skyrocketing right now.

>>108485297
>it's pretty clear that it didn't get a single line of code written by a real human.
I was going to refute this by saying that it was written by jeets, but realized that you are indeed correct.

>>108491177
I really am tired of these companies being to damn scared of nsfw. All these fucking people attacking grok because it generated no no pictures. Why is it on the AI to fix the issue? Do people depend on photoshop or web browsers or WHATEVER to fix issues?

>>108491266
1. It made creating nsfw trivial, if I want to make a high quality photoshop of some random chick in a bikini getting covered with "thick milk", I need to put in the effort to make it myself
2. If I photoshop someone, I made it, I'm responsible. Grok makes the fake image, so Grok is responsible, simple as
3. People were using it to put random kids into bikinis. No normal person wants to see that

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>>108482146
>About to pop guys
>believe me
>just a little couple more days
>almost there guys
>AI is done for real

Yeah sure.

>>108482146
if OpenAI is able to cancel a 1bn deal, doesn't this mean they dont care about money anymore and they are getting bigger deals?
this doesn't sound too good because they are too big now and won't pop

OP is wrong, the AI bubble is not "about" to pop, it is currently popping.

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>>108492710
nothing's gonna "pop"
every normie is using AI
every new product or software has AI
nothing's gonna pop
they'll find a way.

>>108487341
It's not just training. The massive training costs are notable because they form a massive barrier to entry. You cannot enter the AI market without the massive up-front investment to train the models.

But running models is also insanely expensive, far beyond anything else the internet has served before. Even gaming, say there are 150 million gamers, maybe 5% run high-end gpus and cutting-edge graphics on max settings. Meanwhile a billion people use AI, and even the simplest conversations max out a high-end GPU. This is trivial to observe running your own local models which is why it's easy to observe that AI companies are massively undercharging for their services.

>>108482146
I swear to fuck I'm damn sure that if one of the big AI developing companies dies it will get bailed out inmediately and I'll fucking seethe
I'm not even from 'murica and yet their shit ass tech trends somehow continuously make every day slightly shittier

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>>108491180
Substitutes also go up in price when oil goes up in price, as entities look to meet their energy needs elsewhere.
The LLM bubble was going to pop in the next 2 years no matter what, since they are incapable of making profit and they are incapable of automating even 1 job, but bubbles usually pop because of a black swan, and Iran was the black swan for this bubble.

>>108490812
this is bullshit you do not work in healthcare, AI is used rampantly for dictation, history summaries, diagnosis, shitloads of stuff.

>>108490812
You don't want to use AI in any place that doesn't allow margin for error. Military winning big because they don't care what to shoot

>>108493460
good application of the logical blunder known as the nirvana fallacy. you see it all the time with discussion of self driving vehicles as well.
just because the replacement isn't perfect doesn't mean it's useless when it performs markedly better than the current implementation of humans. since the parent comment is about healthcare I'll use misdiagnosis, overdiagnosis, underdiagnosis, incorrect treatment, etc as an example. you would be shocked to learn how often malignant cancer is diagnosed as benign and then by the time patients find out it has grown or spread to a point that it's untreatable and terminal. whether it's incompetence or human errror of being overworked or just missing something, AI doesn't get tired, it doesn't get overworked. if it misses something critical like that it's just because it's missing training data.

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>>108493606
“Frontier models readily generate detailed image descriptions and elaborate reasoning traces, including pathology-biased clinical findings, for images never provided, we term this phenomenon mirage reasoning. Second, without any image input, models also attain strikingly high scores across general and medical multimodal benchmarks, bringing into question their utility and design. In the most extreme case, our model achieved the top rank on a standard chest X-ray question-answering benchmark without access to any images. "

>>108482283
Cool it with the anti-Semitism

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>>108493421
>>108493606
>>108493618
watch out lads, AI PR is here.
the actual origin point of the discussion, those figures and the claim that 30-45% (exact figure dependent upon number days till Xmas or ASI, whichever comes sooner) of the total workforce is using generative AI, remain blatant horseshit, pure and utter. Or are you going to argue this has ANY plausibility whatsoever? Because, it really doesn't.

>>108493618
flawed study by undergrads not peer reviewed science, no shit you use a "frontier model" aka chatgpt via web interface instead of a properly trained and task focused medical model it's going to be garbage. good job MOHAMMAD, FANG CHOW, FEI FEI.

>>108493716
the human is so stupid it doesn't even realize that it quoted a post that was against AI as supporting it.
AI would never make this mistake, you're inferior to AI lmao.

>>108487341
>Training is where the loss comes from, serving live models is massively profitable.
It's not. They need to raise prices ~5x and remove free tiers to break even on sub-based. Maybe less on API but still more than double. That's when the bubble pops.

>>108493606
>>108493618
Even if AI has a better failure rate than humans, humans want someone to blame and a rational actor to take that blame (life ruination) into account.
Doctors for example are not super smart individuals that are interested in helping you. For the most part any 100iq+ person could be their own doctor and do it better with research.

They constantly triage. They are given the right to prescribe because they went though 4-8 years of consistent studying, more as a) a reliability and repetition test and b) a big investment they will lose if they mess up (disobey).
A huge part is that they have the ability to prescribe addictive/desirable and expensive/valuable drugs and treatments.

>>108493732
>AI would never make this mistake
indeed. Only one 'r' in cancer, can't go rong there.

>>108493775
in most of the united states you legally have no recourse against a human that makes a mistake, you're living in a reality tv inspired fantasy.

Ai CPU poop loop.

>>108492053
>I need to put in the effort to make it myself
i'm sorry you are retarded but it took me literally fucking less then 4mins to do any of that. There are simple tutorials all over the internet instructing you how to make fake cum in photoshop. It's not about effort it is about the outcome because ultimately it is the same exact shit.
>put random kids into bikinis. No normal person wants to see that
people have been doing this shit prior with photoshop and even other slightly more complicated shit CG and video editing. It was seen on /gif/ with shows from the Disney channel and shit. You are an annoying fucking newfag. I think you are right people shouldn't want to see it BUT it is not the responsibility of the tool creator to monitor what people use it for. This applies to literally every single fucking object in a grocery store. This is why it doesn't make any sense to me why we don't have some crowd funding or at least some kind of porn corpo trying to sue these fucking assholes.

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>>108493801
One third of all US doctors have been sued for malpractice. Most states require malpractice insurance and hospital's almost always require it

>>108482300
What else would you expect from a generation raised entirely by television and movies? To boomers this is just like Terminator or something and they’re investing in the skynet.

>>108495628
the actual legal definition of malpractice is not what you think it is based on tv shows.

>>108482146
do you feel it? the dot net bubble is about to pop! this world wide web fad is going to disappear forever and we'll go back to the real world!

>>108493801
>>108495628
>>108497774
You do have recourse in some cases but for just mistakes and triage, mostly not. But that's not what I was talking about.
>humans want someone to blame and a rational actor to take that blame (life ruination) into account.

The whole job is exactly that. Knowledge and skill is secondary.

>>108495628
doctors aren't human, you lost

>>108492053
Who would want to secure access to the ability to create realistic and accurate illicit images in the future, so that you can't and only they can? Who wants to be able to fabricate from nothing, realistic images of blood, gore, nudity, and carnage?

>>108492053
The military industrial complex is doing it, and they are using "omg bad kiddie porn" to manufacture your consent.

So, basically, they stole all of our data and kept it in the MDR, told us "bro we have so much of your data we don't even know what to do with it" like 10 years ago, when everyone was talking about ML, so put 2 and 2 together.

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>>108482146
Unfortunate. The issue is that AI would be heavily moderated to make it hard to deviate from what our extremely conservative culture deems morally good.
Sometimes, something slips through at least.

>>108500610
nooooo it's all about making funny images and videos and songs and voices! they would NEVER be investing trillions of mysteriously apparated dollars and mysteriously rushed through and approved building permits and plans just to do something like you're implying...

>>108500796
It's already been done. They are just making the public show of "building it for real." They already have the weapons, and need to use the PR to deceive the public and foreign interests looking at US public opinion and media.

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>>108500935
>two merchants passing cash back and forth to each other is generating le infinite wealth

>>108482156
They all will die

>>108500935
>>108501118
Yeah it's nothing. It's not new $122B, it's just a continuation of the $110B they already raised. So $12B new since last time. Less than they will need to spend per month.

As for circular investing:
Amazon committed 50B (OpenAI owes them $38B)
Nvidia committed 30B (OpenAI owes them $100B)

Let's remember OAIs commitments in the next 5-6 years:
Oracle $300B
Microsoft $250B
Broadcom $350B
Nvidia $100B
AMD $90B
Amazon $38B
CoreWeave ~$22B

>>108482146
Less of a pop and more of a plop, me thinks.

https://youtu.be/WAUnmQt2Z7Y