>>108485943
Drones in general have the potential to make the political landscape a loooooot more interesting in the future if we still have roughly the same proportion of absolute nutjobs running around today as we have at any point in the last 100 years.
>No you don't understand I had to blow up a politician with a drone because it would impress $randomEceleb who would then go out with me!
Unrealistic? Boy do Jodie Foster and Reagan have a story for you!

>>108485980
I was trying to avoid kenetic usecases in the op but I think about this a lot.

>>108485943
I don't get your point, are you living in a military base or some shit?
these are good for either hitting a target, like artillery would, or just following a fast vehicle like an F1 car for example
so I don't get your concern, these are not good for monitoring people, they're not good at it, plus what kind of counter measures would you even use?

>>108485986
It's honestly a greater concern to me than the much more common fear of drone terror attacks against civilians. The bitter truth about bombing random civilians is it does fucking nothing unless it's a 9/11 scale disaster or does anyone outside of the UK and people like me still remember the 7/7 bombings? Or perhaps even more poignant any of the 5000+ suicide bombings in the middle east since 9/11?
Bombing politicians on the other hand is destabilizing to the entire society not just the system at large and I don't think anyone really has any solution to the problem of the genie being out of the bottle and never going back in.
Even if a country bans all civilian drone operation, drone sales needing permits and tracking and 3rd printers without licensing and per device tracking and yada yada yada does anyone really think it would be impossible to source parts from some out of country manufacturer and assemble whatever at home? Really? All Breivik needed was enough money to pretend to be a farmer but to be fair that just wraps back around to my point of killing civilians doing actually fucking nothing which is exceedingly depressing no matter how you look at it.

>>108486043
All that rambling is to say yeah we are probably fucked I completely agree with you there. No matter how this shit gets abused it will just be bad.

yes i would be vary worried about civilian arms if i was zionist occupied government

>>108486012
>like artillery
Have you ever tried to buy artillery? It's pretty to difficult to do so as a regular civilian, but anyone can build these drones for like 900usd in most countries
>plus what kind of counter measures would you even use?
The common ones are rf jammers which have to be aimed at the target to work, and high powered lasers. Both are somewhat obtainable at least in a handful of countries by non-mil, but they are effectively useless against extremely low altitude high speed targets.

>>108486043
>to my point of killing civilians doing actually fucking nothing
This was my biggest counterargument when talking to others about it. The high speed drones like this cost more than other options that affect one single person, and no one person on earth matters enough to worry about it widespread.
But I somewhat disagree, other methods are messy or put risk on the operator or have underlying infrastructure and or informational costs that are not being accounted for.
And I believe there are people on this map who do make a difference if they are to be unalive by the right group or political motive. It isn't just muh zion either, I could explain more on that but this isn't /pol/ so idk.

>>108485980
The thing is this has been possible for many years. The russians and ukrainians didn't revolutionise technology or anything by strapping some explosives onto a commercial chinese FPV drone. Given the amount of nutjobs as you say, I'm honestly surprised that this hasn't happened yet.
I remember a news article from like 2015 or so where a european politician got buzzed by an FPV drone and was like "woah hi drone :)))", but then the journalists (or maybe some official) was saying, hey imagine if that drone had a bomb or a gun strapped to it, we really gotta rethink security given this is apparently possible. Even back then consumer drones weren't new at all.

I really have no idea why never between then and now has there been a single event of civilian FPV drone terror. Even the fucking trump shooter could have bought a cheapo DJI, strapped an IED on it and gotten a near guaranteed fucking kill.

>>108485986
At 700kph you dont even need a bomb, the blunt force impact would be enough to kill anyone.

>>108486152
Precisely.

>>108486075
who is trying to hit you with drone artillery anon? is the part I'm not getting

>>108486151
Because anyone with the skills to build one has too much to lose getting caught.

>>108486151
no it hasn't. High speed drones over 600kph is a very recent threat, it was not viable for a low cost in 2015.
The technology to control them at low altitude, lidar and mmwave radar, is only very recently cost optimal for this.
Do you not understand how difficult it is to obtain an "explosive" or a "gun" to most people in most countries where this would be the biggest threat?
There is massive regulation and control of the critical part of doing this on small consumer drones like you would find in the past, the explosive part. No one is regulating the components to build the drone itself and at these speeds, you just ram the target. Or with this control you can almost buzz anything and get surveillance data and they won't have reaction time to stop it

>>108486250
It's really not that hard though. If you can learn how to acquire and shoot a gun, you can learn how to buy and pilot a drone.
The hardest part might be the homemade IED, I have no idea how that works, but surely there's anarchist guides and shit on that stuff. Like hell dropping a molotov cocktail on a politician's head would probably fuck them up real bad even if it wasn't fatal.

>>108486263
>no it hasn't. High speed drones over 600kph is a very recent threat, it was not viable for a low cost in 2015.
Low speed drones have been around for decades though.
>Do you not understand how difficult it is to obtain an "explosive" or a "gun" to most people in most countries where this would be the biggest threat?
That's fair, but there's tons of countries where guns are easy to obtain, and surely explosives can't be THAT hard if you're dedicated. It's just that normally if you make some homemade explosives you can't do shit with them - for most of the important politicians, you can't just run up to them (even if you wanted to suicide bomb them) or whatever. That's why people try to shoot, a lot of politicians use bulletproof glass for this reason though.
A drone to the noggin with even a shitty small explosive would absolutely fuck someone up and is extremely difficult to defend against, as shown by the multitude of ukraine videos of soldiers trying to shoot them down to no avail and getting blown the fuck up.

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drones are slow, small drones not even at WW2 plane level (~300kmph). because of their materials they cannot move that fast.

read, retard:
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Camera Drones (DJI-style)
Typical speed: 30–70 km/h (20–45 mph)
Sport mode (max): 60–90 km/h (35–55 mph)

Examples:

DJI Mini 3 Pro (~57 km/h)
DJI Air 3 (~68 km/h)
DJI Mavic 3 (~68 km/h)

These prioritize stability, camera quality, and battery life, not speed.

FPV (First-Person View) Drones
Typical cruising: 60–120 km/h
Max speed: 120–180 km/h (75–110 mph)

Examples:

DJI FPV (~140 km/h)
DJI Avata (~97 km/h)

Designed for racing and acrobatics, much faster and more agile.

DIY / Racing Drones
Typical racing speed: 100–160 km/h
Extreme builds: 200+ km/h

These are custom-built and can be insanely fast, but:

Very short battery life (a few minutes)
Hard to control
Not beginner-friendly

>>108486368
anon, the drones OP is talking about can run 600 km/h+

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>>108485980
time is a curcle and we are stuck in 2008.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haRZxPw0JYg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDpL8aQlCDA
It's over how can you even go outside in 2008.

>>108486263
As long as there is good visibility optical works fine. Depth from monocular vision is a little less reliable, but for a cheap weapon it's good enough.

>>108486405
they cant

>>108486455
... just google "drone speed record", I hate assertive retards

>>108486368
The drone I posted in the op holds the record for 657kph (408mph) and was built in South Africa. The previous record was at 640 something built in Australia.

>>108486368
This is data for your typical quadcopter/hexacopter drones that hover and then tilt to fly directionally, like a helicopter.
The drone in the OP has enough thrust to fly differently, it's essentially a cruise missile with 4 propellers instead of a jet engine.

>>108485943
>>108485980
These are ultimately just cheap missiles.

>>108486043
Sometimes when getting gas, or going for groceries I wonder: What is stopping someone who doesn't care about getting shot/arrested to simply pump a lot of fuel to make a bomb or make a WW1 gas using the stuff you can buy to clean.
I think what government should worry the most is to mitigate these problem at the source, "simply" (actually hard) try to push toward a society where people are not going to do these things.

>>108486151
I think is one of those things where a nation/military/government body simply doesn't acknowledge the problem until it happens.
For example the Iran war and all their drones, the US crippled their military but they can still throw drones and the US is now involving Ukraine with their experience, Ukraine got the edge...but is not going to last long and this feels like the seeds for a forever war, they are relatively cheap to make, so a rich enough country like Russian can just keep the fight going on for decades.....since they can afford to disappoint their population for just as long.

>>108486186
I went down a rabbit hole of sigint, I have a lot of land and I live alone on it, and I started with just some cameras but I rapidly wanted to monitor more and more, so I have a few Bluetooth/WiFi scanners placed around which no itor for phones or other electronics within their range, since it's very rural, the range is insanely far because there is very little interference.
I have already identified a few drones within the range I can pick up, and a couple of cameras.
My threat model is people invading my privacy with drones, and people trespassing on my land, and so far I have tracked both in the last couple months. So I am doubling down on what I am monitoring and last week I discovered these high speed drones while I was researching other stuff and it honestly surprised me. There is basically nothing I can even do about it if someone flys one of these over.

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>>108486463
just prove yer retarded statement. PS: you cant.

>>108486485
those were built on a secret nazi base on Moon.

>>108486501
so 4 plastic propellers == jet engine. i totally understood and agree.

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hey guys, ive designed i neeew drone on the pic. what you think? it can go 999km/h! you will need LAZERs to shoot it down!

The reason you don't really have to worry about it because it's already possible for you to be killed with a gun or a knife or a car or any other way that is widely available to essentially anyone. Even if there were countermeasures against high speed low altitude drones, you wouldn't be using them, in the same way you don't wear a bulletproof vest around town.
This would be such an elaborate Rube Goldberg way of killing you, and I don't think it really even reduces the chances of the killer getting caught.
It's just a scary idea, and you feel more used to knives and guns (and maybe you haven't even considered how easily you could be killed with a car) and you think maybe you could do something to defend yourself against them (probably false), but you recognize that you're powerless here, so it's easier for you to ruminate on it.
>>108486540
>I think is one of those things where a nation/military/government body simply doesn't acknowledge the problem until it happens.
Probably true. Why broadcast to every citizen, including those who would like to perform assassinations "hey did you guys know you can kill people, including political figures, like THIS?" It carries no benefit to the state at all and has only downsides. They have nothing to gain from publicizing this.

they said the same thing about drones.
that they'll strap grenades to them and kill people at concerts.
nothing happened

>>108486543
I see, I'd probably be pissed off too specially of drones with cameras, but something tells me that these high speed drones aren't your main concern here as in for privacy, since that fine tunning and hovering is a better fit for traditional drones

>>108485980
I'm waiting to see drones used on police lines during a protest.

>>108486813
*takes notes*

>>108485943
>>108485943
That shit guzzles through like 6KWh in a minute. It's absolutely not practical for anything other than establishing speed records.

>>108486543
If you already have a local network spanned as futuristic as this might sound at first why not setup a small server with a GPU for a computer vision model? Hook it up to either a remote controlled drone of your own or preplaced cameras and combine it with a network of noise sensors. Any type of drone has a very distinct sound profile.
Sure wouldn't do jack shit against an adversarial drone but you could detect and track it without needing actual radar which is pretty much out of the question unless you live in an actual failed state with no enforcement on radio/radar emissions.
Wouldn't help against a nation level threat actor but certainly against local retards.

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>>108486872
Short range sprint drones what possible use could they have.

>>108485943
We need new GPS tech for sure this shit is too risky

>>108485943
muh CIWS

>>108486872
This. Have you seen the inside of it? They show the inside on Youtube and it's literally just a massive battery pack. There's no space or weight budget left to put any significant size of explosives inside.

>>108487300
Then all is well. Surely high discharge batteries have reached their physical power to weight limits.

>>108487351
A battery carries much less energy than a chemical rocket, and probably always will. With the same sized drone you can get a higher range and speed with a rocket motor.
A tank of gas carries much more energy than either a rocket or a battery because it doesn't need its own oxidizer. That's why the Shahed/Geran just uses a moped engine. The tradeoff is that it doesn't go quite so fast, but it has much higher range.
All this nonsense with high speed drones is purely for breaking world records in a very specific category (fastest electric-powered vehicle) and is not useful for making a practical weapon.

>>108487423
they use rocket boosters attached to interceptor drones now
kinda weird to say its not a practical weapon when its literally already used in combat

>>108487442
>bro we designed a missile that uses electric motors to steer, this means it's a LE DRONE
the fuck are you on about, retard

>>108487469
get with the times grandpa
launch multiple drone interceptors using rocket boosters to quickly gain altitude
remaining interceptors can loiter to engage new threats
after threat subsides remaining drones can be recovered and given new dirt cheap rocket booster
>hurr durr sounds exactly like a missile to me

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>>108486012
OP is another schizo(probably the same known one who keeps making these threads) who hates any and all sort of camera. Fuckers get paranoid whenever they see a camera on a phone. Just check the /g/ archive for the term "camera" and look at all the schizo posting dating back to over 15 years about how some OP wants to block or break public cameras.

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>>108485943
>There is going to be no way to avoid surveillance soon

>>108487300
I think the general idea is that it doesn't need an explosive payload, it IS the payload. The thing is travelling at over 650kph depending on winds and weighs 2kg. It has double the kenetic energy of a .50bmg round.

>>108488567
It's not hard to make explosives. Making such a drone needs just as much skill as cooking up a batch of nitroglycerin. You can make it out of chemicals that don't get you on a watchlist.

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>>108486485
Aussies took it back with 662.5km/h
https://youtu.be/qrZ1aH5gtMU?si=v-j0W8ScVuMKOYL6

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No one but me seems to care that the hundreds of thousands of Islamic terrorists who were let into this country could trivially make napalm drones and coordinate them into a mass casualty event at a stadium or something. Literally how are you supposed to stop threats against these things? Look at the war in Ukraine, shotguns don't do shit against fpv drones

>actually living in Ukraine, Russia, Israel or the Muslim oilfields
you have my condolences

>>108490337
Very good point

>>108486554
kys

>>108485943
>Am I the only one that worries about these high speed drones?
>People are getting these things up to nearly 700kph and the tech is there already to fly them at this speed just a few metres off the ground,making them untouchable from most countermeasures.
no, in fact civilians like me want to have it
self-defense should be a human right to have, and can be extended beyond just firearms
>>108486151
>I really have no idea why never between then and now has there been a single event of civilian FPV drone terror. Even the fucking trump shooter could have bought a cheapo DJI, strapped an IED on it and gotten a near guaranteed fucking kill.
Putting aside whether the government will catch you or not, the fact is that IEDs are dangerous objects that will kill you if made the wrong way, so most people with weak minds will not risk their lives to do that.

>>108490337
It is more like we are not allowed to care, especially if you are in the UK, in the working class, and have a young daughter.

>>108489966
>>108490615
so those speed theory stands on a jumping number projected by a glitching compukter?

>counter measures
iron dome or modern flack-like anti air

>Politician pisses off the population
>gets ACKed by a high speed drone with no countermeasures

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>>108490337
stop, drop, and roll?

Begin, the Drone Wars soon will.

>>108491308
as if they weren't possible all this years

>>108485943
The really fast ones need top shelf parts, good design, and only last a few seconds. It would only be good as a short range kinetic weapon. The vast majority of them struggle to exceed 100MPH.

>>108486250
They're piss easy to build with easy to get parts. Prior to the tariffs, I was building them for like $200 and an afternoon. Required skills are basic soldering, use of an allen key and wire cutters, and doing simple config with a computer. The planes are arguably more challenging IMO.

>>108491553
check out the new rocket-like drones, those 6x the other's speed

>>108486405
Those consume the energy of a gasoline powered push mower to achieve that. Everything in them is attempting to catch fire because of the insane power draw.

>>108491590
Yes, I'm fully aware. They still suck so much power that their flight time is measured in seconds instead of minutes.

>>108491592
I know that it is true that they overheat, but understand that it is hobbitists buildingthem and setting speed records despite that

>>108491595
Yes at speed sure.
But it can cover a lot more ground flying at a lower speed and then speed up to 600kph for the bit that matters

>>108485943
Can these things intercept missiles?

>>108492502
Their efficiency tends to be shit in such a configuration due to extremely aggressive props and very high kv motors. There's also frequently two batteries inside to meet current demands, so they're heavy too. Everything is a tradeoff when it comes to multirotors.

>>108492559
Haha, no. Missiles easily achieve much higher rates of speed and for longer periods. The record holders can't when reach ½mach.

>>108492559
You might want to look into what Israel is doing with pulse lasers.
>>108492594
Correct yeah, they have limitations, like anything else. Drones of this design but at a bit lower top speed are being actively used in anti drone defence though. Effectively, they intercept and ram the target, they may or may not contain a payload to try and trigger the payload of the other craft in the air as well so it doesn't blow up on the ground. But these targets are fairly large liquid fuel powered drones.

>>108492559
In theory, yes: missiles usually have a balistic trajectory. The problem is that the intercept would be so low down that it would be useless. Instead you want to make the intercept at greater altitude than what drones can normally reach. That way, the fragments will not hit the target.

>>108490337
What about drones make them a better approach than a catapult?
Tools for deploying things at range have existed for a while. There is no unique scary thing about drones really, especially not very fast drones, you just aren't as familiar with them and find the concept scary because it's new to you.
Everyone else is also unfamiliar with them, they just don't like thinking about scary things like murder, so they are avoidant of the idea.

>>108491290
>iron dome
That shit already doesn't work against modern drones

>>108493086
You can't fit a worthy catapult in a backpack

>>108486543
If you're worried about people trespassing then your best bet is probably putting up some signs saying you WILL prosecute anyone who steps foot on your property and that they're already on camera.

>>108493096
Iron beam will

>>108491296
>politicians all move to secure underground bunkers and spend the rest of their lives having sex with 13 year olds while remotely commanding their population to die for isreal
I mean we're already most of the way there. They invented AI so they could have an endless stream of entertainment without the need to pay goyim, all that's left is to refurbish some cold war bunkers with some jacuzzis then they're set to move in. They'll miss their sports cars but some sacrifices need to be made. Or maybe not, they can probably use Elon's hyperloop to do sick drifts underground.

>>108485943
Satellites can already track your every move and you are afraid of some drones.

>>108493280
retard

tets

>>108493096
works better than no counter meassures at least, plus allegedly you won't recieve multiple high speed drone strikes by Iran, will you?