>>108493547
>Separately, posts on Blind alleged that Oracle had recently installed monitoring software on company-issued Mac laptops capable of logging all device activity, with warnings circulating among affected employees not to copy any files or code before returning their machines.
Saars holding onto Larrys Special Sauce. Not sure who the fuck would want it tho.

>>108493547
Why don’t these guys ever mutiny? 30k people could just take the business for themselves.

>>108493547
>wake up with the goal of job hunting
>see this
>fuck
that's 30k people using AI to spam their resumes to every company. I think we're cooked as an industry.

>>108493602
its 25k jeets.
regardless location, Oracle = jeet central.

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>>108493593
They were all terminated by a single Indian using AI to prop him up. They can't do shit other than storm the office and get shot.

>>108493602
Cleaning up jeet mess, and now cleaning up LLM mess, seems to be the path for earning a living now.

>The layoffs are directly tied to Oracle’s aggressive and debt-heavy expansion into artificial intelligence infrastructure. According to analysis from TD Cowen, the job cuts are expected to free up between $8 billion and $10 billion in cash flow — money the company urgently needs to fund a massive buildout of AI data centers.

What does Oracle and its public-private partner, the US government, actually need all these data centers across America for?

>>108493547
Oh great more competition in the tech space. Just what I need.

>>108493634
Autonomous murder AI drones to murder US citizens. You are welcone.

>>108493634
>what are these data centers for, he asks, while posting on a website that depends on data centers

>>108493547
AI WON, CODERS LOST AND NOW THEY ARE JOBLESS

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>>108493676
Y...yeah!

>>108493731
They will import goys from Africa and India.

>>108493672
4chan runs on Anon's computer. He's too powerful.

good morning oracle saars

>>108493754
Given the level of traffic, this site could be hosted on a small amount of hardware if it used a well designed software stack. We all know that's not the case and it instead is endless weird bundles of crap stuck together.
Before they sold out to Match Group, Plenty of Fish was hosted and operated by one guy who custom wrote the whole thing in ASP.Net, getting rid of the slow parts of the stack, so it could all be run out of his condo in Vancouver. Meanwhile Match.com needed hundreds of servers to host a similar amount of traffic.

>>108493806
They will be long dead and you will be in deep shit.

>>108493636
Entry level's dead go be a landscaper

>>108493800
>getting rid of the slow parts of the stack
Do you have any info on what was trimmed? Genuinely interested in how people choose to optimize their servers.

>>108493676
Oracle is an AI data center company.

>>108493547
Damn, american labor practices are insane. Are they still given 2 week notice?

>>108493893
No xD

>>108493887
Well, they won then.

>>108493634
because it has a record of every single packet sent over the internet since the inception of the internet to comb through.

>>108493855
Don't remember exactly but from what I remember, it was the last parts of the pipeline, where .asp pages were being parsed and ASP tags replaced with HTML content. Instead he had his own server side process to generate the HTML, which might have been why the site was so ugly as it was difficult to change page layouts when doing so required changing C# classes instead of using a WYSIWYG editor or at least a text file of tags. It was something like a 1000x increase in speed doing it that way.
Funny thing is he wasn't actually interested in creating a dating site. He wanted to understand all the details of the ASP dotnet stack and thought a dating site would be a good test project he could learn from. He only meant for a small number of his friends to use the site but they told others, who told others, and word spread quickly. Soon he had more users than he ever imagined and it turned out his way of doing things could easily handle it. He became a millionaire as a result, eventually selling PoF to Match Group for $575 million.

>>108493547
When I left Oracle, I told them right now was my last day. This is why and is why you should never give two weeks notice. You aren't legally obligated.

>>108493893
Oracle is big enough that it has to comply with the WARN Act, which requires sixty days notice to employees when being laid off. In practice this usually means they're given two months of severance pay and their medical insurance is covered for those two months. The employer can require employees to work those two months but usually they don't as angry employees knowing they're losing their jobs can cause lots of problems from within.

>>108493842
Im a aenior level. About 5-7yrs experience working on the phd (free acholarship). Unironically I did finish a bathroom remodel in my house and multiple people want to hire me I did that good of a job.

>>108493934
they'll just pay the fine (lol laws)

>>108493944
5-7 years experience isn't senior anymore that's entry level lol

>>108493547
What do they even do at Oracle?
What product do they make?

>>108493574
Only value enterprise code has is being able to discover and abuse vulnerabilities in it. Even more so now since you can dump an entire system's code into claude or chinkseek and it will find points of weakness.

>>108493893
fired on the spot, they'd be lucky to get severance

>>108494080
cloud shit (data centers) and databases (for privacy invasion)

>>108493547
I work at Oracle and can confirm.
My slack is filled with people announcing they got laid off. It seems like mostly remote people, with a surprising number of jeets too.

>>108493917
Makes more sense now than ever since getting your offer pulled days before you start is getting more and more common and youll be left in the worst job market in CS history

>>108493547
saars, how long do i have to find a new job before i must self-deport?
t. h1b chad

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>>108493887
Larry Ellison got his war.
And since it's going terrible, we suffer for it.

>>108494080
They lure in unsuspecting young enterprises with lush promises. Then spent the next three decades financially raping them. Brutally, and repeatedly.

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>>108494080
I used to work there on MySQL a couple years back. I hear in this round they gutted mostly their QA team, but many SWEs were already let go before that. If the rumors are true, MySQL is already operating with a skeleton crew, and it's basically a dead project.

FUCK I wanted to apply to their internships. Well at least it happened before.
Other years people got accepted and then revoked their internship before signing and students would be holding the lease to some apartment they have no use for

>>108493547
I have a lot of questions, but they mostly boil down to:
>How the hell does a company cut ~18% of its workforce overnight and stay functional?
>Why the hell does Oracle have so many employees (162,000 according to Wikipedia) that 30,000 isn't even a fifth of the company?

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I genuinely love Java and the JVM so much I would not mind working for Oracle
>inb4 muh jeet
Only plebbitors and jeets trying to hide the fact that xey are jeets by spamming shitty Durgasoft memes

>>108494269
As scale goes up, efficiency goes down. There's an enterprise guy that was impressed a team of 10 in a small company could do the same things at the same rate 50-70 people could do at large companies, for example. I doubt it's gonna affect them all that much in the long term.

>>108493615
>Get shot
It's not the 1800s. I don't think the Americans are hiring armed men to gun their workers down still.

>>108494428
Being a corporate cuck makes you a Jeet regardless of your ethnicity.

>>108493547
I keep seeing news about devs being fired by the thousands, and I still can't force myself to do anything at work.

>>108494428
And I love JavaScript very much, don't listen to those faggots here if you love a language stick to it and master it. become a master

>>108493547
That WB Discovery purchase is already giving fruit, I see.

Should get rid of more. If 50 percent of their developers aren't laid off by year's end, it's corporate malpractice. Same for any tech company. These people barely worked in the past and now just prompt chat bots for a living. If their output 2x what it was last year they should be let go.

AI bubble popping. I guess stargate isn't going well.

>>108493634
The WB deal didn't help either

>>108494668
>call it
Sure, what's the phone number

>>108494201
Retarded management being exposed by AI. Hoping for more.

>>108493547
>>108493634
There was a news article about OpenAI (?) writing a letter of intent for buying gorillions of RAM, but it wasn't actually a contract to purchase said RAM. And they are not doing it anymore.
Manufacturers thought they could raise the prices of RAM with this huge demand, but it turns out it doesn't actually exists.
Since almost nobody is buying any RAM at all at these ridiculous prices, I guess they have huge stockpiles of RAM right now which are just sitting somewhere with no actual buyer.
How are manufacturers are going to cope when they actually sold barely any quantity of RAM and they have huge stock piles nobody wants to buy right now?
I am not going to be buying it at the price before the ridiculous hikes, at best I'm going to pay less than half what it was before, you know, there's huge supply of it.

>>108493547
So, another Tuesday at Oracle then.

>>108494428
That's a man.

>>108494738
It amazes me how people JUST figured this out.
Literally the day that announcement was made some have said the openai deal was bunk, me included.
But nah money is to be made from pumping RAM stocks so every news article says openai "bought" 40% of RAM because they made a verbal agreement and it technically wasn't a lie because how RAM is "ordered" from fabs.

I'm tired boss

>>108494781
>verbal agreement
Fucking idiots still falling for this.

>>108493946
The fines are in addition to having to pay the two months of salary and benefits. There's zero advantage to paying fines if they're not in place of what you have to pay anyway.

>>108494781
The RAM was ordered, created, but NOT sold.
It's sitting somewhere, it's not even powered on right now and they don't even have sales anymore.
Income = peanuts, that's the funny part, they literally sold nothing, no income, the manufacturers went bankrupt for a promise no different than the nigerian prince.

>>108493954
That's really retarded. Why would it not be senior, literally every title I had last was senior. Not that I care, as long as you pay me $130k+ a year you can call me whatever one wants

>>108494820
It's just baffles me that hardly a single soul didn't dare point out that these so called "orders" where not legally binding, no money changed hands and it's very much possible that RAM will never be delivered to whom wanted it.
But nah openai bought all the RAM! Sold out till 2030! says the news.

>>108494428
Oracle hates Java because it makes no money

>>108494914
Java going open source was a glitch in the Matrix

>>108494914
oracle tried to monetize it heavily with a lot of innuendo and thuggery which just made people go to openjdk

>>108494804
bingo. you don't just get out of not paying salaries/benefits under WARN. oracle not having any notices filed is just baffling.

>>108494762
cutting nearly a fifth of the company in one fell swoop is not business as usual at oracle.
it's a sign that their AI datacenter funding is bad money and they're just axing shitloads of people to get $8-$10B in free cash flows for it

>>108494269
oracle makes TONS of corporate software. oracle DB, tons of CRM, ERP, other industry specific applications, oracle cloud for cloud infra, java, solaris servers (basically dead at this point), cerner healthcare acquisition, etc.

>>108494269
They do a lot of sending consultants out to help customize their software for a specific hotel chain, stuff like that is kind of manpower intensive

>>108493612
It's not just Indians, it's a lot of Americans too.

>>108493593
>Why don’t these guys ever mutiny? 30k people could just take the business for themselves.
how?

>>108494201
It's so hard to get an accurate reading on the reason for all these cuts. I saw someone a post on the cscareerquestions reddit (don't judge me, I'm reading all available options) that said Oracle has gone completely in on the AI train and is shipping some software with no human involvement. Do you know if this is true or if they've successfully been replacing everyone with AI?

>>108495662
arrr, like all mutinies go. you put the CEO ashore, drop by the liquor store to load up on rum and sail the building into international waters

>>108495730
Licking*
fuck

>>108495674
Oracle is betting big on AI, but it's not "AI will do the jobs of everyone at Oracle" (although they're claiming shit like this, but so is everyone else claiming layoffs aren't a bad sign of the business having issues but "wowie AI is so amazing we don't need all these ppl anymore"), but that Oracle is heavily heavily invested into AI datacenter debt.

The datacenters have huge upfront costs. When the AI boom started, humans were about to be displaced from white collar jobs any day now™, so banks were lining up to give out loans for datacenters. Now as the AI boom goes on and the gains are incremental (GPT5 cost an order of magnitude more to train than GPT4 and the improvements are marginal at best) and all the AI firms are still running at a loss.

In September, Oracle announced that committed cloud revenue went up 350%+. Wow, how the fuck did that happen? OpenAI committed to spend $300B by EOY 2030 with Oracle cloud, so they put that on the books at future revenue... except Sam Altman doesn't have $300B and may never have $300B if someone comes out with a better model and/or the AI bubble implodes.

By early 2026, that announcement from September (sent oracle to a record high stock price) cratered, and Oracle announced they were raising $58B in funds for datacenter work, because big banks were worried about getting left holding the bag (VC money doesn't heavily subsidize firms like OpenAI -> OpenAI and the like have to price AI to actual cost (10x or more) -> demand craters like crazy because people paying $200/mo for claude code don't want to spend $2,000 on the resources they actually use) -> assumptions for ROI on datacenters are bad -> Oracle et al can't pay their lenders back on the DC debt)

So Oracle now laid off 20K-30K to free up $8B-$10B of free cash flow and make their cash flow positive, to make the entire thing look sustainable, see, Oracle is fine, pay no attention to the man behind the curtain

>>108495730
jesus christ shut up and take it to /b/

>>108495726
arrr, if it wasn't for the royal navy we'd have made the safety of tortuga with our emails by now arrrr

>>108495763 here

So where does Oracle's bet work and where doesn't

>where it does work
The only scenario under which Oracle's bet works if AI demand remains sustainably high. It would require advancement in the models to make AI better than it is now to where it would be worth more money to companies who would wholesale replace tons of people (not the illusion where they're laying off people and then using AI as a pretext).

It also requires that AI compute hardware doesn't change drastically and advance where the old hardware depreciates

>where it probably doesn't
If openAI/Anthropic et al don't advance models enough, investors realize it's not going to print money and replace people en masse, and stop giving money to burn in a fire pit to run the compute - party's over.

if the models advance, but the compute hardware advances - oracle is left with hardware of little to no value. Oracle and Microsoft have already said AI hardware lasts six years - but the H100 hardware at the Abiline data center (launch date of H100 sep 2022, started in 2024, second section finishing now) is so old OpenAI walked it for data centers with newer hardware - you'll never get the ROI.

>where oracle stands
If Oracle admits that AI DC debt is risky the stock price will tumble and executive heads will roll, so the only choice is to keep calm and carry on and go on about how great AI is and decimate the jobs of tens of thousands to hope a cockamamie bet on AI DCs pays off in 2030 when it starts to be cash flow positive (theoretically based on projections from OpenAI et al on demand, profitability, etc.) for Oracle.

It's really quite bad for Oracle, and it may result in the downfall of Oracle as we know it. Oracle probably wouldn't completely fail, but it's extremely likely over the next decade that we see Oracle parted out, just as the 2008 accelerated the downward spiral of GE where it continued to part itself out into a smaller and far less influential company than it used to be.

>>108495763
>>108495859
Thanks for the in depth answer.
Does this info come from inside Oracle itself? I'm wondering what Oracle employees/ex employees think of AI's use in the company and whether it's working.

>>108496067
i work for a competitor of oracle (SAP). nonetheless, i've never held disdain for oracle. i almost accepted a job offer there in 2022.

oracle's woes of datacenter funding and finances are public, because oracle is a huge publicly held company. information like negative free cash flow is part of their financial statements. other information such as banks refusing to fund oracle are leaked to reputable sources like businessweek.

i am glad i didn't take said job at oracle as there would have been a fairly high chance i would have been impacted in these layoffs (the position was customer facing, but not directly billable)

>>108494080
I worked as an external contractor for a big medical software company that got acquired by Oracle so they still do that. They were called Cerner and they employed basically all of Kansas City engineers. They made all kinds of sw for hospitals and shit. I guess that is still ongoing

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>receive email from Oracle (((account executive))) yesterday begging us to buy java licenses
>shift+delete
I hope she got fired today.

>>108495859
I wonder what effect all this insanity at Oracle will have on Ellison's other little empire-building ventures like Paramount.

>hire 50,000
>....
>fire 30,000
>OMG THE WORLD IS ENDING!!!!!
>hire 10,000
>....
>fire 6000
>OMG THE EVIL COMPANIESS!~!!!

>>108493679
>WHITE PEOPLE FUCK
Fuck yeah I do.

>>108496132
I used to work at Cerner too. We moved a shit ton of stuff onto AWS because there was a strategic partnership with Amazon. I left, but soon after Oracle bought Cerner and they had everyone move again tens of thousands of machines to Oracle cloud...

They'll regret it

>>108496199
well, that's his son and not larry specifically. his son has been in hollywood for 20 years now and has his name on actual movies you would recognize if you looked them up. so that really depends on how his son manages to turn around paramount, which he only took control of in october, and warners, which he doesn't have control of until later this year. skydance has been successful enough however so we'll see.

i imagine there is a lot of pressure on junior at the moment, given that the oracle loan was 20 billion in publicly traded company money. but that deal is done already, can't do much more than wait.

>>108494859
China will either steal it or get it for pennies on the dollar.

>>108496642
It's not Larry directly but the whole project of trying to create this huge family media empire is Larry's plan for pushing his ideological views and having immortal influence.

>>108496970
>Larry's plan for pushing his ideological views and having immortal influence.
which he started 20 years ago through his son?

go outside anon.

>>108497124
He's an ambitious guy.

>>108494428
The world lost something good when sun was bought out by Oracle.
I was genuinely sad.

>>108496613
Thats crazy, it always boggles the mind so many engineering hours wasted. The project I worked at when I was at Cerner probably got scrapped in the end I left before that.

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I won't say good riddance because it sucks to get laid off, but Oracle fucking sucks.
Horrible DBs, horrible language, horrible learning practices, and worst of all has created horrible sales people in general. Dealing with Oracle reps is like a used car salesman because all other companies are better products at about the same, if not cheaper, price.

>>108497130
>go outside anon.

>0 people stealing ram and SSDs
Im still waiting here at the black market.

>>108493547
All those poor jobless whites

>>108494080
I work in B2B finance space and NetSuite is one of the biggest SaaS platforms in the industry, most enterprise and big companies out there that have overgrown Quickbooks but are not yet on the level that SAP makes sense are using NetSuite as their ERP of choice. Granted I've seen some movements recently to Microsoft Dynamics 365 but still.

>In other news, the job market has exploded for H1B's.