i installed gentoo like you guys told meemerged xfce and some stuff like browser, steam etcwhat else can i do for compile times or overall usability/performance
>>108501943did you customise compile FLAGS to suit your particular machine? running a Gentoo system is like running a Japanese handmade car. Every part perfectly fits all the others, it's like a symphony.
>>108501980pretty much, --march=znver3 and then some, not sure tho what can i do after thesealso i used firefox-bin and replaced rust with rust-bin so it doesn't compile everytime i do something
>>108501943>what else can i doPretty much whatever you want. Did you really ``Install GNU+Gentoo Linux'' without any idea as to why you did it?
>>108502309i wanted to go fully systemd free and some other things but i meant as in, what cool stuff that specifically i can do on gentoo
>>108502339Post your make.conf, MAKEOPTS, and useflags. Perhaps they could be fine tuned a bit more.
-Check your mounts, eg. noexec on /tmp-disable shit you don't use, like ipv6, printing, pulseaudio to harden your system further-speed up compiling with tmpfs, but beware your ram is not sufficient for bloated packages if you use all your threads
>>108501943I did the same thing as you
>>108501943Tell me something good about build times. Got a similar CPU.
>>108501943gcc use flags
>>108502377that's my make.conf:>>108502038>>108502428tempted to try tmpfs since i have 32gb but at the same time im not surealso found something called "sys-devel/mold", apparently speeds up compilation but may or may not break packages, i will try anyway when i will have something to compile
>>108502038You can use --march=native
>>108502459everything except rust, gcc and mesa compiles fairly quickly only "minor inconvenience" i had when i added 32bit libs for steam and I needed to recompile half of my shit
Anyone did unattended gentoo builds by LLM? Like you give it ssh root access and tell it to figure this shit out etc. I imagine that might be slightly faster. May be a major turn off for people who enjoy building shit. But I hate it, do not want to care about it.So obviously some good step-by-step guides would be a plus. Then I tell it what I want and what I don't want. I should follow the guidelines and build it to my taste.What do you think?
>>108502512i did mine mostly manually and it wasn't THAT bad or slow, only hard part for me was figuring out how to properly make efistub work since i incorrectly partitioned/boot as ext instead of vfat at firstalso i wanted an lvm so initramfs
>>108502512>>108502520There's no gentooinstall ?
>>108502498Any numbers? Like that many hours etc. Does not have to be precise.> added 32bit libs for steam and I needed to recompile half of my shitNot sure if it's worth it tbh_I'd rather use separate install for that, like a dual boot or smth. Especially nowadays when linux gaming becomes more popular and wild wares are more likely to appear on Steam.
>>108502524idk maybe there is, i used the gentoo handbook, my prior linux knowledge and mental outlaw video for one thing i couldnt figure out also where's the fun in using something like gentooinstall vs manually
>>108502524It sounds like something half-backed, for newbies etc. This is 2026, you can have nice things. All of them. Now.Fine grained control, best practices, custom fit to hardware, your taste. You are literally living a dream right now. Why are you trying to wake up?
>>108502545>>108502548No I mean to not waste time doing the same things again, you already know what you need to do, especially if you'd want to install it on many machines. Maybe a shell script would be more appropriate for this.
>>108502525definitely NOT hours, maybe like half an hour to an hour for gcc and similarly for mesa, didn't check exactly but rust was taking really long so like i said in the op, i swapped it for rust-bin because thst took longer actually you can pretty much use most stuff as binaries so>Not sure if it's worth it tbh_it was maybe like 207 things to compile from which at least more than half take few minutes at worst, it's only the real fat dependencies that are tiresome
>>108502566also forgot to mention, I used the computer while it was compiling these normally so it probably took some more time but i didn't have any slowdowns when browsing or watching videos on youtube or jellyfin
>>108502512Someone did this last week with Claude and it was relatively successful. >>108453962
>>108502309wtf? free him
>>108502038Dont forget to replace X with Xlibre.AlsoPORTAGE_SCHEDULING_POLICY="idle"so you can comfortably use the system when it is building stuff.
>>108502814That kitten uses GNU+Gentoo, it can't get much free'r
>>108502339>i wanted to go fully systemd freeDid you USE="-udev -elogind -dbus"? Those are systemd utilities.
>>108502628Yeah he ended up with a semi-working system he didnt know shit about. What was the point?
>>108502916What do you replace udev with?And how do you live without dbus? Almost everything GUI depends on it these days.
>>108502916That’s not strictly true. Guix system for example uses elogind but it uses GNU Shepherd, not systemd.
>>108502916>ran the open-rc setup>emerge udev elogind dbus
>>108501943I have questions thinking about switching from Arch. Is Gentoo noticeably more performant? How long does it take to rebuild packages? Any conveniences I'd be giving up?
>>108502936>What do you replace udev with?chown all the event, dri and snd files in /dev to your user's group>>108502936>how do you live without dbus?literally the easiest one to saw off straight up, you just run things like sudo reboot in your terminal instead>>108502946A lot of systems that claim to escape systemd use elogind, but in truth, it is making compromise.>>108502950Exactly.
>the current state of affairs is so fucked up around the planet people are actually installing gentoo
happily using gentoo with systemd :o)
>>108501943>He fell for the gentroon memeHey send me your wallet passphrase, I want to send you some coins!
>>108503055Seethe harder. No other distro comes close to Gentoo.
>>108501943>gentoo>usabilityYou got this wrong.
>>108503067oasis/staliCRUXVoidSlackwareOpenBSD
>>108503067>No other distro comes close to Gentoo.That's because it's dogshit nothing comes to it because everything is 10x better.
>>108503078Granted these are fine distros, but Gentoo still moggs them.
>>108503080GNU Guix
>>108503080The only thing gentroon mogs is the toilet drain as it swirls down the drain to join the rest of the shit in the sewer.
>>108503042>gentoo with systemd :o)
>>108501943Don't use ext4 on an SSD
>>108503080>Gentoo stillthe package manager (portage) is way too 'smart' and complex in comparison to the ones I named, especially Slackware.An idiot admires complexity, a genius admires simplicity.
>>108503111And you admire cocks
>>108503093Ouch that butthurt must sting. Put some Ubuntol on it.
>>108503095it does work really well
>>108502628Interesting, I scrolled that entire thread, it seems like you can just tell it to do it and it will.But I had intentions of giving it strict guidelines. Well, let's assume /g/ wants to build the most correct gentoo version ever. They throw their requirement in, best practices, recommendations, schizo expertise in avoiding feds and such. Plus maybe something more sane you can find on the interwebs, no matter how complex and time consuming, if it's good enough to fit in the context window.All that knowledge gets distilled and turned into a step-by-step guide. So I would actually get something reproducible. Unlike that anon who just one shots it and prays it will be stable. He didn't even knew if it was going to be gnome or something else as DE lmao.
>>108503120So did the slave plantations. Whats your point?
>>108503122It will be compromised by default because a 3rd party had root access.
>>108503039And you should too. If this gets streamlined via LLM to become a reproducible and highly configurable (yet clear, with explanations) way to install your operating system, it may become the new way. Well, it's the old one actually. Most importantly you would be able to get rid of all spyware at OS level.Next step would be to clean up the dark corners of the Linux Kernes itself. People have no idea how much shit is there right now. 3-letter agencies from all over the world have a competition on who gets more backdoors shoved in there.
>>108503125I mean, if you build your own systemd, basically your fork, then what are downsides? Performance, general bloat?
>>108503203It's the agenda behind it. Sure right now it is still mostly toothless, but the devs behind it (pottering for example) who are just coincidentally im sure all affiliated with Microsoft are clearly pushing towards digital ID on Linux. Do you actually want that?
>>108503136And I have the logs. Besides, it is likely to succeed if you use something like opencode, your own model running locally etc. It's not like you have to be dependent on corpos.By point is to use this tech against them, to be free from all that.
>>108503220If you can pull that off go for it but most people cant afford the hardware to run a decent LLM locally
>>108503125>So did the slave plantationsExcept they didn't. North beat the South because the north was industrialized while in the south they used slave labor.
>>108503111A smart person also knows that a little bit of extra complexity solves a lifetime of headaches and wasted time. The complexity of portage you allude to is of this kind.
>>108503219completely unrelated lol
>>108503219I want to fork it and cut it out. If they ship some software that checks if I have their anal plug installed, we can figure something out still, maybe do a fake one that simulates the handshake and fucks off. Or runs in a VM with fake hardware etc.It's battle of sword and shield. Do not lower yours and stop clinging to the wooden one, it will not last.
>>108503266If you can fork and maintain it great, but personally i believe it will be difficult to do the latter. By design.It will become like chrome and firefox.Tehcnically open and forkable but extremely difficult in practice.
>>108503297Never said it's easy or even necessary. Maybe systemd should get rmrfd. Or maybe it should become more like LibreFox and Ungoogled Chromium etc.
>>108503335I highly doubt those two projects are able to perfectly remove all the nasty parts of upstream code. I worry it would be the same with any systemd fork.
>>108503257A little bit of extra complexity leads to a lifetime of headaches and wasted time. The complexity of systemd, or any dependency resolving package manager, is of this kind.
>>108503423so you agree, "just go ubuntu and stfu"
>>108503433Ubuntu is more complex, not less.
>>108503445but less problems, everything is integration tested, so you get what you need without risking bad things
>>108503455No anone, there is *more* problems, because you risk a brain tumour trying to get the setup you want instead of what was pre-curated for you.
>>108502857will do that once i try a few things so I can compare x11 and xlibre more directly, but thanks dor the idle tip>>108502916but they're not the systemd itself, also xfce needs elogind for whatever reason >>108502983>Is Gentoo noticeably more performant? it feels snappier than debian with xfce, which i used before>How long does it take to rebuild packages?honestly i didn't measure it exactly but not that long with relatively modern cpu, >Any conveniences I'd be giving up?not sure, never used arch, went straight to debian as first distro (for server) like 4 years ago, switched to debian on my desktop 1,5 years ago so it was a little jumpbut only thing i kinda miss are debian ppa, except gentoo has GURU repo, something like AUR i think and everything else should be therealso portage is fantastic
how to speed up emerge,distcc farm of more gentoo ponzi machines
>>108503455You are not the op, I am, pic related me doing emerge -uDNav @world rn>>108503039it's not that bad>>108503055and thinkpad meme, own home server, jellyfin etc, other than that i will pass on your offer>>108503077nothing i did before isn't working now so im happy>>108503103why not? other than zfs for server every other file system doesn't seem all that useful
>>108501943Install Arch.
>>108503611no
>>108503577I'm planning to do this actually, I have T14 gen 2 ThinkPad with also 32gb of ram, tho that ryzen 5 "pro" 5650u might not be as good as desktop chip it's still capable and probably would help
>>108503627>"How do I set up my system now that it's installed???"This one step is two steps for gentoo users.
>>108503219Fork it. Using the software that actually works and isn't obsolete trash that requires more work to get less isn't supporting the ideology of pottering or Red Hat.
>>108503679it's not hard or anything, just wanted to ask here for advice because we all know thst the infamous hacker 4chan uses gentoo and he contacted me personally that i need to install gentoo, but jokes aside just wanted to ask if i was missing something alw what the hell is this captcha kek
