>mac

is it just me or when i try to post using a mac i get to type the stupid 3 captcha unlike on linux?

>Desktop with Windows
>MBP
>laptop with linux
Life is good.

>>108526252
>macos
That's all the reason I need but if you want more.
>completely unserviceable e-waste

>>108526252
I WILL NOT purchase soldered trash.

>>108526252
Overpriced

>>108526252
I'm a heterosexual male.

if you can't install linux on it, it's a toy

>>108526252
You can get the job done for less money and people won't think you're gay

>>108526277
Different cookies.

>>108526430
>if it got loonix installed, it's a toy
Fixed it for you buddy

>>108526284
are you me?
I got the exact same setup here

>>108526284
Why do you need a Linux laptop when you got an MBP?

>>108527044
Why don't you mind your own fucking business?

>>108526252
Pros peaked a decade ago, they've just been Airs with an inch-bigger screen for ages

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With Apple, you WIN!

>>108527189
With that little pile of stuff, you have everything you need to become a multi-millionaire.

>>108526252
>im poor and unemployed
>apple
>im a freetard

>>108526252
My back. It hates laptops.

>>108527189
Omg so productive.

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>>108527136
u posted ur business on the public internet

>>108526252
have you used one? Have you seen the UI clusterfuck that is MacOS? Have you seen Safari Tabs? Have you seen the Dock? The top bar even people who've been using Macs for decades often don't understand?
It's a bad OS with a bad design. It's a fashion statement. I don't need a fashion statement, I need a reliable device that is fast to use, which a Mac is not.

>>108526252
What job?

>>108526284
>m4 mbp for work, coding, shitposting and general internet use
>desktop gaming pc with windows 10 iot ltsc for gaming
>(accessible from my mbp and steam deck using moonlight+sunshine)
>linux home server for some self hosted shit
Life is good indeed

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>>108526252
I've got a 4TB SSD in my laptop and I purchased it and upgraded it like 3 years ago, it came with a 1TB by default.
Base model Macbooks still come with 256GB, this makes it a toy, and Apple charge you an arm and a leg for storage upgrades.
I don't always have high-speed and unlimited access to my NAS, my data roaming in the EU is capped and hotel WiFi is usually shitty and carrying portable storage around kind of defeats the purpose of a laptop.
I also don't like the OS X experience, Apple fans always say it's intuitive and whatnot, but in my experience it's the opposite, there's a steep learning curve because you have to do things the way Apple wants you to do them.
Sure Windows is the weakest link in non-Apple laptops, even with great hardware you're stuck on Windows, but for better or worse I've learned how to minimise my headaches with it.

>>108527439
>UI clusterfuck that is MacOS
They are still trying to maintain visual similarity to the original MacOS for some reason, it's like they've painted themselves in a corner.
As if the UI gods achieved perfection in 1984 and they must keep tradition alive.
Microsoft for all their faults had some sane ideas about UI and window management before Windows 11.

>>108526252
I tried a mac at the store today.
Nice keyboard feel
Did not like the keyboard layout.
I would need to import one with an ANSI keyboard.

>>108526252
Vast majority of this board is unemployed.

>>108527625
>Vast majority of this board is unemployed.
unemployABLE, thank you very much.

I just got one for work because a.) Win11 is getting buggier by the fucking day and b.) my company loads our machines with so much scanning and antivirus software that it runs Windows into the ground (they also spec the windows laptops worse). Took me a solid week to make MacOS actually usable but now I quite like it. My god are some of the decisions fucking insane in that operating system though. "It just works" my ass. You can't even access camera settings until you're USING the camera, so to fix how the camera was working I had to start a video call by myself, because god forbid you make settings accessible whenever someone wants them to be. What fucking genius came up with that.

>>108527624
this is the other thing that drives me nuts - "we're apple, we're going to use a completely different keyboard layout from the rest of the world, and make all of our shortcuts 3-4 button presses instead if 1-2)"
At least that you can pretty easily fix with some free software (Karabiner)

>>108526252
I fucking wish you could install another OS on it. I don't want to use macOS (see >>108527439, my thoughts basically), I just fucking don't. Apple is somehow in a position where they make pretty much the best hardware but it's completely tanked by being hard-locked into their proprietary ecosystem with an OS I despise.

If it was just a normal computer I could install whatever I need onto, I would have already bought a $5k M4 Max and probably upgraded to the M5 Max on release too.

>>108526392
There are plenty of used macbooks with lots of ram and HD space. Lots of good deals if you look.

>>108527886
apparently you can install linux on the intel macs

>>108527923
I think you can install through M2s now. M3 and above don't work with Linux yet

>>108527923
Intel macs were never good even when new and are now obsolete by 6+ years, this is completely irrelevant.
I'm complaining that macs are currently the best laptops and are better than the best non-mac laptops you can buy, and you're suggesting to me something from over half a decade ago that's going to be 3x slower than the laptop I currently have.

>>108527942
I did have hopes for Asahi but isn't the project dead now with the chief troon acking or something? M4 let alone M5 probably literally never, or maybe in 20 years or something.
M1 and M2 were not actually that great all things considered.

>>108526252

>windows laptop for gaming
>linux laptop for everything else

I've been considering switching to a MBP but I have an Air for work and honestly it is not better than my 2020 xps 13 which has flawless Linux compatibility, and I like running docker locally since a lot of my personal development uses docker. I know Mac can do it via virtual machines but there's no way it's as seamless as native on linux. Also my work Mac is nice but doesn't "just werk" I have constant small issues just like one stereotypically has on linux. So I might as well have my freedoms, while macfags have to deal with getting liquid ass poured onto their desktop UI.

>>108527439
> Have you seen the UI clusterfuck that is MacOS
>A bloo bloo I don’t like it ITS THE WORST EVAR UGH

>>108526252
It does not indeed get the job done. I can't run cross compilers without an insane amount of work, virtual machines, or sshing to a sane computer.

I might as well try to work from a phone.

>>108527950
the last gen of intel macbooks with i9 chips are still very powerful, just depends on your needs.

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>>108526252
>old laptop with 4GB of RAM
>lightweight Linux distro
It's all I need.

>>108526252
>gets job done
not mine, I'm a civil engineer

>>108526252
liquid ass is shit

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>>108528403
yeah, the 16" intel macbook pros kill their ssds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cNg_ifibCQ

>>108526287
>servicing your computer
For what purpose. Think before you immediately jump on me. I haven't had to do any servicing for the Applel products I have.
>>108526391
Yes soldered RAM and it being multiple times the price of the market is retarded. I am jealous of people with 128GB of RAM while I sit here with my puny 16GB. Even though I'll probably never use all of it.

>>108527439
Eh somewhat true. It is definitely form first. I'm willing to be a bit kneecapped to use the nice looking Apple stuff. File sync is way cushier on Apple stuff though. Very easy to move stuff around if you submit to the walled garden, and active tabs are great. I can't completely agree with you on Macs being borderline unusable though. I suppose if you're trying to play games and use the Gondola WEBM creator or other 4chan related activities you might run into an issue, but for basic shit there's no difference.

>>108527624
Command Tab is weird vs Alt Tab but it's negligible to me. I think this is another power user issue, but I get away with multitasking using trackpad gestures fine. Open to your input though. Typing this reply on a Magic Keyboard, which is just a 70% with a fingerprint scanner. Not sure how this isn't a thing yet for other OS's that isn't like Dell garbage

But if you're a /g/ NEET who doesn't do anything besides install distros all day or drool over Plan9, it's functionally identically. It has a browser, mail capabilities, fucking basic shit every computer has. The only thing separating it is "bloat" (feels just as fast, so what if the package number is high) and user interface. Open to critique btw, but I feel most of the criticism is because you can't find a solution looking for a problem like mapping out mpv instead of just, pressing the spacebar.

>>108528995
>I haven't had to do any servicing for the Applel products I have.
Because you replace them with next product.
The basic shit, batteries, displays, display cables, fans, a keyboard on one. Some of them I've stripped all the broken parts out and used it as a server with a built in battery backup. When I worked IT for a short while at a start up I was always cobbling machines together because end users are retarded and dropping them, running them over, etc...
Point is stuff breaks, even craple stuff breaks. It's nice to know I can fix it easily to keep it going if I don't want to buy a new one.

>>108526252
so does a 10 year old shitbook for $50 off ebay

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>>108529022
>I don't want to buy a new one
I think this is the fundamental difference. I don't mind paying for AppleCare to get cheaper repair rates, because I sure as shit am not going to bust out the heat gun and re-glue a display or replace a keyboard. I'd much rather just pay to have it fixed (wipe before obviously) vs spending time fixing it for it either look slightly off or not work entirely and re-do the entire process again. Apple has made it comfortable enough where it's easier to pay to have fixed vs attempting yourself.

Although at one time, that was their whole fucking shit. I will say with retro Macs I absolutely want to fix it myself, but with something I'm using to do mundane tasks or kill time with, I can't be assed.

>>108526284
idorts always win
fuck fanboys

>>108529064
What you pay pig over the years just to get someone else's used PC is far more than what I pay to just fix what I already have. The laptops I have repaired did not require the use of anything beyond a screw driver and being gentle. That's the difference, the ones I use are built do not fuck over the end user.
The only thing I've had to use a heat gun on was a phone and it wasn't bad, just annoying.

The only real issue with macs are the locked in ram and storage. That's really it. Otherwise, it just comes down to familiarity. It's unix based. Terminal is good. You don't need to use xcode.

>>108527189
Why need clock when phone tell time?

>>108526252
>why not?
My job includes heavy 3D rendering and animation. There's no laptop on the market capable enough for it.
>justify your reasons.
Just gave it above.
Even my two 5090 rigs are sweating during an average job.

>>108529310
I'm a tradie field manager and I can quickly see if I can ignore a call of text while I'm busy wihtout taking my phone out of my pocket.

If you need a laptop that can run at full throttle on battery, then mac is pretty much the only game in town. Up until recently, the battery performance was another good reason but pc has sort of caught up close enough there. If you're looking for a desktop, then there's a lot less reason to go mac.

Mac pro #1: If you are OCD and require cleanliness and uniformity, macos is a much more polished and nicer looking experience.

mac pro #2: if you are someone who is more tech inept, you are less likely to have problems on mac. you get everything from the app store, and the OS does a better job at not letting the user fuck things up

mac pro #3: i've always thought it's a bit overblown, especially with everything being in the browser now, but the "ecosystem."

mac con #1: more restricted hardware. can't upgrade, can't use discrete GPUs. puts a hard cap on a lot of gaming and production activites.

mac con #2: expensive. the base models seem like an okay deal, but to get a current year level of memory and storage you're going to pay up the wazoo.

mac con #3: app compatibility natively. for a lot of people the prospect of buying a $3000 computer that can't game worth a shit is offputting. most popular apps have a mac version, but in business/industry there's lots of smaller apps that won't work on mac.

mac con #4: the OS is just built to waste screen space and make window management a pain.

everyone has their own needs, but for me the function of a computer is to allow me to plug in the hardware i want, and run the apps i want. mac is worse than PC in these regards.

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>>108526252
can you tell me why I need more without sounding like a massive faggot shill? no?

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>>108529961
even the matrixbook neo doesnt have a fucking magsafe connector because apple hates its customers

wtf even is a usb port btw

>>108527136
Because I don't want to. Any other questions, faggot?

>>108526252
I tried to switch from windows to mac, at first it was unbearable, so I decided to use it full time for 6-9 months thinking I just needed to get used to it.

Long story short, it wasn't that, I ended installing linux on my mac mini, best decision ever, I haven't booted macOS in years.

macOS in all its simplicity just lacks features that I consider "basic", probably not useful for most people, but they just work on windows and all linux distributions I've tried so far.

They also removed functionality over time sometimes when something was "buggy" they removed the feature, options like, start minimized are now missing on the apps at login section (or whatever it was called)

where are all these redditors coming from

>>108531378
insane how they defend systemd
/g/ used to be against it

>>108526252
I would buy it, but I can't choose between the M5 Pro and M5 Max chips.

>>108531394
that makes no sense

Back in 2016, displeased with Windows 10 overall, I decided to give Hackintosh a try because I was getting into artsy fartsy stuff and my machine was compatible with it mostly.
I had a better time with it than I thought for about a year. I ended up buying some used magic trackpad which demonstrated that yes, the whole gesture system was more mature than anything on windows/linux. I got used to it rather quickly and I liked a lot of things about the system itself that weren't present elsewhere. But I had to make a lot of sacrifices. Looking for non-paid software was shit. There were no reputable sources for it. I had to fiddle more with security features on it just to get something working. My mouse at the time felt really awful, I had to look for ways to get it to stop using mouse acceleration that were unconventional. To actually make use of said gestures properly I had to spend some money on an application (which to be fair is pretty cool) called BetterTouchTool. NTFS support was a bit of a nightmare. Parallels wasn't amazing either. But what pissed me off the most is that any browser that wasn't Safari just performed like absolute dogshit, with sluggish scrolling. And some applications didn't really like the external monitor I had (like OpenEmu).

>>108526252
>gets job done
>why not? justify your reasons.
I wouldn't buy one for private usage, but its fantastic for working on it.
Couldn't imagine working on a shitty windows laptop or some pre-configured debian autism machine.

>muh mac os is bad
Yes but I spent 95% of the time in the terminal, the IDE or browser, I barely interact with the OS.
It can do almost everything you could do on a linux machine and is silent and performant at the same time.

>>108531540
Why? I want to a buy 14" MacBook Pro, but the choice between these two chips I can't decide on.

>>108526252
Being tied to the latest MacOS.

>>108531672
>muh mac os is bad
People are just memeing on macOS. As an OS it's vastly superior to Windows in every aspect, and vastly more stable and uniform than any *nix DE could ever hope to be.

>>108531678
You don't need Pro or Max unless you're heavily into video editing/3D modeling/local LLMs. Better to invest in more RAM.

>>108531687
>security updates and new features are le bad
>it's bad b-because it just is, okay??

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>>108531706
https://daringfireball.net/2026/01/resize_columns_to_fit_filenames

>>108528995
>File sync is way cushier on Apple stuff though. Very easy to move stuff around if you submit to the walled garden
It's no more easy than KDE connect/Warpinator/probably a million other things that do the same thing.

>>108531723
>missing 1 tiny ux oddity that people dare call a feature
>whole os is le bad

>>108531705
I have a thread on the catalog, my tasks are:
1. Various daily tasks, such as web browsing, potentially some multitasking.
2. Software development, webshit and some C/C++/Go/Rust.
3. DAW
4. Image editing, no more than one 5000x5000 (or less) image at a time.
5. 3D modeling, 3D animation, 3D rendering (if it's animated in the first place, then it's no more than 5-10 minutes).
I'm choosing between the base M5, M5 Pro, M5 Max, in each case the full chip (not the binned variant), and in every case it's going into a 14" MacBook Pro, not 16".

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>>108531732
https://daringfireball.net/linked/2026/01/06/nielsen-icons-in-menus

>>108531753
>random shitter literally nobody's knows of ever heard of refuses to upgrade to tahoe
>therefore whole os is still le bad
Give me something better. Or better yet, cope and stop moving goalposts.

Apple hardware and macOS is fine. It's not perfect (never said it was), but it's leagues better than Windows and Linux for white men who need to get shit done, instead of tinker trannies.

>>108526252
I already have enough spying and fucking me corporations. I do not need another one, and especially not the holder of big trophy "THE SPYING ASSFUCKER CUSTOMERMILKER" one.

Beside that, it is my serving for the other people, because if I'm not using walled sewer of apple software, they have a choice not to use it too. Less pressure for people on whom this pressure works.

Last of all, every time I meet apple user, it is somehow the most normie brainless idiot you can meet. No thoughts, no dreams, nothing. Like a literal bugman

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>>108531678
because if you could afford the max, and had a usecase for it, youd be more than intelligent enough to make that decision

only an AI would get stuck wondering if it wants a faster or slower computer

>>108531888
The indecision comes from the fact that the Max chip throttles in the 14" chassis and presumably has battery life problems, as well as higher fan noise. It's not the strictly better option, it's more of a compromise - I wouldn't want a shitty battery life but maximum performance. Regarding the use case, of course I don't strictly "need" the fastest possible 3D rendering, but I would prefer it. Regarding affordability, I'm obviously buying it from savings, I can buy it.
Either way, I'm waiting for M6 so it's not like I'm in a hurry to make the decision right now

>>108531905
And when the M6 is out, you'll wait for the M7, because it'll be just around the corner
And when the M7 is out, you'll wait for the M8, because it'll be just around the corner
If you need a computer right now, buy one right now

>>108531908
No, it's because there's a rumored redesign coming for MacBook Pro in the late 2026 or early 2027, has been a rumor for a while at this point. I don't normally wait. The redesign will supposedly feature an OLED screen

>>108531913
They initially said that about the M4. And then about the M5. I'd rather have a battle-tested design at this point.

>>108526252
I have one, a base model M1 Air. I mainly use it for casual browsing, I'm posting on it right now. It's comfy and fanless and generally pleasant to use for that. In a pinch it can also handle iOS builds of a React Native app I work on.

For real work it's completely unsuitable. I need Docker (real docker not the "docker desktop" VM shitfest that seems to be inexplicably popular), I need window management that isn't completely retarded, and I need to run programs without 500 layers of "do you want to give Terminal access to your Desktop?" sandboxing.
That means I need Linux, and ARM macs can't run Linux except in a very experimental way with Asahi.

>>108531921
>I'd rather have a battle-tested design at this point
That's a good point, I think I still rather risk it. Perhaps they'll fix the thermal throttling in the redesign, but it's really unlikely imo. What chip do you suggest anyway?

>>108531927
>i need docker
new native apple containers, or orbstack
>wm
rectangle, amethyst, or yabai, depending on autism level

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>>108531905
>I cant decide between these laptops
>um actually Im waiting for the next chip
right, youre definitely not larping then

it's actually pretty funny to think youre worried about battery life on an apple laptop, but think like a human for a second, if you have zero laptops currently its more battery than you have, and if your current laptop has a better battery than the max mac, just take that one when you need to spend 6 hours at starbucks instead of 4

>>108531784
it's unix/linux, how are they spying on you unnoticed?

>>108531934
>what chip do you suggest
It depends. On your use case, workload etc. I switched from my bulky t480 to a base m1 before moving to a m4 pro (24gb/1tb model). Doing webdev for work, and some hobby gamedev and daw stuff. Some power usage, but nothing super demanding. Honestly even the Neo can edit 4k videos without a hiccup nowadays.

If you're tight on a budget, check craigslist (or equiv) for a used machine.

>>108531905
>a thread was wasted on this indecision slop

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>>108531938
I hear Orbstack is better than Desktop, but it still uses a VM.
There's no way around that currently. The only way to run Docker containers on a non-Linux OS is to either use a VM or to provide a full Linux kernel compatibility layer that can load ELF files intended for Linux and handle all system calls.
On Windows, WSL1 tried to do exactly that but iiuc it was never complete enough for Docker. WSL2 gave up and went the VM route.

>rectangle, amethyst, or yabai
If I was trapped using macOS then I'm sure these would be good suggestions, but fortunately I don't have to use it so I can just use KDE which does everything I need out of the box.

>>108531941
>>108531965
Can you anons already explain why do you dislike my question, I get told to fuck off even outside of /g/ with this problem
>>108531941
>think like a human for a second, [...], just take that one when you need to spend 6 hours at starbucks instead of 4
Is this really what normal people do? Owning two laptops at the same time is not something that I thought about, unironically.

>>108527189
That's consumerism

>>108531748
In that case you'll want a Pro with lots of RAM.

>>108526284
this but without the linux laptop, no use-case

>>108529961
retina screen would be nice on this old air

>>108526411
>male
>sexual