No love whatsoever? :(

Isn't this what broke PopOS for LTT when he tried it recently for his Linux challenge?

>>108544619
No, when LTT used it Cosmic was still just a heavy Gnome modification. The whole gist of Cosmic is basically System76 devs got mad about Gnome's lackluster extension support, i.e. breaking shit without notice. So made their own whole DE.

>>108544662
im sure the guys that can barely manage an ubuntu fork will make a great de

>>108544278
>Iced rust
>tranime pic
>none of the links even show what the de is supposed to look like
No, no love for low effort OPs.

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>>108544693
Manage so barely they run a successful business on it. So easy, everyone can do it, right?

>>108544712
Honestly, i just stared at it the last two weeks so much, the thought just didn't occurred to me. So i just went with funny anime girl. At the end of the day, it's a Gnome replacement, ergo looks mostly.. like gnome.

>>108544747
their business is from hardware sales to linux evangalists, not their outdated distro that shits it's pants. Every video I've ever seen on it had it looking like shit, with the linus one being the funniest of all. An issue that wouldn't have happened on stock ubuntu btw.
>So easy, everyone can do it, right?
>you didn't like the 3/10 movie? well it still grossed 10 million, i bet you couldn't do that!

>>108544747
Thanks. I actually hated GNOME since 3. GNOME 2 was cool, looked like modern XFCE. GNOME 3 tried following Windows 8, and while Microsoft apologized, GNOME doubled down on it, which ended up being a horrible move for the whole Linux ecosystem imho.

i dont know what cosmic is but she's hot
no i didnt really understand the answer to whats cosmic or why cosmic so i still dont know

she should be flat

>>108544662
He tried it again a few weeks ago using the actual Cosmic DE. It broke everything again

>>108545340
It wasn't COSMIC's fault. They were Proton/driver/XWayland issues.

>>108544825
>3 tried following Windows 8, a
GNOME 3 came one year before Windows 8

>>108545532
Yeah, but it wasn't a surprise announcement. They were advertising how the future was going to be a single interface for destops, tablets, laptops, phones, etc. That was going to be "the future" back then.

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>>108544278
>where devs take your issues seriously instead of swapping them aside with an holier than you attitude.
asked this faggot for an official cosmic calculator because the community one CANT CALCULATE and he told me to use the Google search calculator

>>108544747
>At the end of the day, it's a Gnome replacement, ergo looks mostly.. like gnome.
>>108544825
>GNOME 3 tried following Windows 8, and while Microsoft apologized, GNOME doubled down on it, which ended up being a horrible move for the whole Linux ecosystem imho
Have you anons actually tried gnome or just hearsay bs. I tried it to form my own opinions and hated it but it's nothing how you retards keep describing it.
>MacOS
Workflow based entirely around the dock. Tray icons in dock, notifications in dock, media player in dock. elementaryOS is the only one doing this on Linux
>Windows 8
It had tiles that launched full screen apps, desktop was shown as a separate tile.
Gnome doesn't have that, the closest thing to it is the stupid app drawer that shows up when you double press the windows key and nobody uses it, everyone just searches like you do with krunner or rofi. I guess the drawer is cool if you don't have a keyboard
>Cosmic
It's literally closer to xfce than gnome. Gnome is based around workspaces instead of a dock so you close shit or move them away instead of minimizing, like a tiling wm without waybar. Cosmic has a dock that can also be a taskbar that has applets. It has tilling but it's not based around workspaces

I use niri and it's the best shit I've used on Linux in a while, it mogs gnome, cosmic, kde, hyprkand, xfce and cinnamon. Try that too anons

>>108545838
>Have you anons actually tried gnome
I was there, Gandalf, happily using GNOME2. There were no DE flamewars, everyone just used GNOME because it just werk'd. KDE had his fanboys but was too heavy, so most people would stick to the default, which was GNOME2. Of course there were the niche autists as well, but minority.

Then came Tablets and the future was that the next billion computer users would be "tablet native" and "what's a computer" kind of people. Everybody wanted to dumb it down to appeal to normalfags. They saw as the next step from DOS CLI to Windows desktop metaphor to Tablet UI. A huge leap. Microsoft spent a huge amount of money on it. They had Windows Phone with Metro first, but were still ironing out Windows 8.

GNOME3 came out. It doesn't really matter that the specific details weren't like Windows 8, the focus was that this was a Tablet-centric GUI throwing away the old fashioned desktop metaphor. Everything was BIG for your fat sausage fingers. Alt+Tab showed big images. Start menu had big-ass icons. It was horrible.

Suddenly, everybody was scurrying away to save their distro from this clusterfuck. Suddenly *buntus stopped being the redheaded stepchild. Mint gys, iirc, forked GNOME2 to keep it going AND GNOME3 to keep it on the desktop metaphor with internal components. Ubuntu flew off GNOME3 into their own Unity, which tried to fence-sit between between the future and traditional desktop, a "tame" GNOME3 kind of thing. Several distros sprung up with nothing new but a different home-grown DE that whose main offering was "not being GNOME3". Linux fragmentation exploded and the year of Linux desktop got pushed by decades, or so it felt, at least, dunno if it's ever coming.

Microsoft pulled back to Windows won't be tablet-first UI, we'll go back to desktop metaphor, we were wrong. Not GNOME. These guys were all "my way or the highway", which is where the whole GNOME maintainer stereotype comes from, really, and why the shit hit the fan.

>>108544278
>Cosmic
Tried it january, or whenever else anons were losing their mind about it. They got the "snappy" feeling and giving you a dock and let you do whatever workflow right. I also run into memory leaks, so i uninstalled. Did they fix those yet?

>>108545340
>a few weeks ago
People still watch him? I thought he retired.

>>108545777
Lmao, kinda based.

>>108545838
>niri
Never heard of it. Alas the thread gets interesting.

>a new desktop when we already have countless
-1 point
>it's built from the ground up and independent
+1 point
>rust
-1 point
>part of a complete ecosystem by a company that sells hardware for their software
+1 point
>gay ass branding
-1 point

Conclusion; 0 points. I don't care.

>>108546409
>countless
Big word for three.

>>108545777
>Just use what werks
vs
>You're just using it wrong. The video you posted shows a feature, not a bug. It will be removed next version.
Ebussy would never.

>>108546503
no there are countless already and there's nothing cosmic adds that others aren't doing already.
They also managed to make it look visually worse than gnome which is quite the accomplishment.

>>108546989
>Gnome and a bunch of derivatives relying on GTK
>KDE and a bunch of derivatives relying on KDE
>Bunch of compositors relying on nothing at all
Three.

>>108547397
again, what is this desktop offering that others aren't? What do you need a new toolkit for? What are the benefits that qt and gtk can't offer?

>>108547479
im looking at more recent footage of it and it just looks very ugly to me. Crazy to think this is what's nearing stable release soon. Maybe they should have stuck to qt or something instead of reinventing the wheel.

>>108545777
>because the community one CANT CALCULATE
how do you fuck up a fucking calculator?

>>108545777
kcalc does not work properly either

>>108547479
>toolkit
So now we're down to two. At this point one every non single digit IQ should applaud new competition.
>usecase
Rolling up old tech debt. Improving on previous programs. Basic example is file explorer which nitpicks the best parts of Nautilus and Dolphin. Notepad comes with batteries included etc. It's not 1998 anymore, we don't need a 98Kb text editor, just so everyone can download Notepad++ anyway.
>big usecase
Is unironically dev support though. Morale is high and it's still in the "everything is possible" phase. Slint and it's customers became a first class citizen by simply contributing. Drivers are fixed in close collaboration with Valve, you know, the guys who also wanted to pick Gnome first for SteamOS, but got mad about Gnome devs(Notice a pattern here?).
>KDE
Offers by it's nature a different workflow and frankly is more of an alternative than a rival. Whoever wants good ol windows feeling will neither touch Gnome or Cosmic anyway.

>>108545777
>>108547554
>community
Was it an actual calculator or some random guy's first libcosmic project?

>>108547588
>So now we're down to two. At this point one every non single digit IQ should applaud new competition.
yeah what linux needed was more toolkit competition, the 500 distros duking out is also a huge pro for linux according to most people on the outside (lol)
>Whoever wants good ol windows feeling will neither touch Gnome or Cosmic anyway.
that's like everyone switching to linux since forever.

>>108547602
Then yes, this isn't for you. Congratulations for figuring it out by yourself.

>>108547616
it's not for most people, it's going to end up with less users than xfce.
Talk about wasted potential.

>>108545340
isn't Linus a Framework co-founder? he shits on system76 because their laptops are competing with framework laptops

>>108547647
Nah, he's just a jewtuber baiting for clicks. Over a decade ago, people called him out on everything being terrible except what he build himself. At best he's avoiding Framework due to his affiliation, which is dumb anyways. There's no war, both devs are chilling on each others forum.

>>108547554
>>108547601
It's made by the main cosmic utils guy, who made a billion other slop libcosmic shit
No parenthesis https://github.com/cosmic-utils/calculator/issues/46
Fails to parse basic expressions https://github.com/cosmic-utils/calculator/issues/47
Division doesn't work https://github.com/cosmic-utils/calculator/issues/51
Calculator doesn't calculate so he decided to ship qcalc and spawn it with the input when you press = https://github.com/cosmic-utils/calculator/issues/9

>>108545933
That's literally not how gnome 40+ is, you made an Boogeyman out of a 2 decade old prototype kek

>>108548042
Lmao

>>108548042
it's actually over lol that DE is kill because this guy will never go away

>>108547584
>didn't named it kalc
Missed opportunity

>>108548104
Yeah, today they only remove features and break every possible extension on purpose. Progress!

>>108544278
I use it. its fine. default file browser is still complete ass, though. not sure why no one can get it right. windows explorer mogs it.

>>108548042
Embarrassing, but it looks like he added the division and parentheses features into the calculator.
https://github.com/cosmic-utils/calculator/pull/52

>>108548610
Haven't been on Windows since 7. What did they do to the file explorer to mog anything?

>>108548042
This is some severe pity placeholder thing, right? Like in pip and cargo.

>>108544619
>Caring about Linus Cuck Tips
Go back, the dudes a retard.

>>108548504
Stop making me defend gnomies, call them out on their shitty decisions instead of making shit up
>today they only remove features
40+ has only had additions like nautilus as file picker, keyboard backlight slider, wellbeing settings. Not even close to xfce/cinnamon but they haven't been removing shit either.
>break every possible extension on purpose
Also not true, the extension system sucks but it's not "on purpose" either. They patch the shell code directly, even if a variable an extension overrides gets renamed, the extension will break so they version lock the extensions to versions and most extensions only have to advertise that they support the latest version without changing anything.
Extensions suck compared to applets and other systems other desktops have but also they would be less powerful compared to this system as they can completely modify anything.

I don't mind gnome, it's not for me at all, but you guys act as if it's something unique to gnome or that gnome murdered your families. Plasma plugins break on every release, cinnamon themes had to be updated to account for the new apps, xfce is about to drop 99% of its ecosystem to move to Wayland because they change the compositor to that of cosmic. I don't care about any of these and if niri annoys me I'll switch to something else desu

>>108550450
I assume this is supposed to be some
>They didn't remove features just replaced apps with inferior versions
gottcha. I'm not debating this kind of lowkey jewish arguments.

>>108547588
>>108550450
>Plasma plugins break on every release
Lie.

>>108544278
Sexxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxo

>>108544278
I look like this

>>108555517
post ur feet

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I'll just repost my own thoughts on it from earlier this year.
If you don't feel like reading I want it to be the GNOME successor but it clearly isn't ready yet. I don't hate what they're doing but it needs a lot more work. The tiling modes are its best feature.

>>108544278
I'm just glad there's at least one distro putting work towards something user-facing instesd of dumping even more into the package janny black hole

>>108544278
>Cosmic DE
don't care but SMASH

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What exactly makes COSMIC different? Can I play Arc Raiders on it?

>>108544278
ebassy doesnt even work at the gnome foundation anymore, and he cnootributed over a decade of his life to helping the gnome project.if you like cosmic and want to talk about it, go ahead, but please do not shit talk ebassi or the gnome foundation, lol. you fucking faggots literaly took their shit and pasted it

>>108557543
Not sure if you're implying Ebussy isn't a lolcow or if just want to drive down the nail on Gnome finally improving when he left.

>>108557826
4chan is not a harassment webite. It is not a website to harass people like ebussy or anyone else. Go back to wherever you came from. There is no such thing as "lolcow", you just have harassment victims. You should be arrested along with Null.

>>108545365
and yet everything started working for him once he switched to Kubuntu, curious.

>>108545586
>single interface for destops, tablets, laptops, phones, etc. That was going to be "the future" back then.
which is kinda true, but in a web interface instead of a DE

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>>108544278
COSMIC took so long to get a working desktop in user's hands that in that time we got several Quickshell configs like Noctalia that basically replace DEs for people running Compositor-only and other desktops in general have just gotten better (Singularity is also coming and looks like it'll properly go stable before COSMIC while also having more functionality). There's really no reason to use it unless you really want a full Rust desktop for (((some))) reason.

>>108557854
You're trying too hard.

>>108557925
>Singularity
Never heard of it and yet they're starting with an even worse name than Cosmic. After looking at the website and the github, i still don't know what it's supposed to look like. At the end it self admits to being yet another GTK4 Desktop, i.e. another Gnome derivate.
Did you even check what you're trying too shill here?

>>108544278
If they're rewriting everything in rustTM, are they also finally writing a proper PDF reader?

>>108558011
not a single good faith argument in that post

>>108558035
>Here's some vaporware
>It looks like vaporware
>Wow, not a single good faith argument

>>108545838
>>108546362
>niri
Im using it right now and its not good, it brings back one of the main issues of floating wms, hidden windows

>>108558068
you couldn't even be bothered to scroll down the site to see what it looks like, sure doesn't sound like good faith

>>108558102
Website is as black as you are. Post whatever you're referring to or fuck off.

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>>108558259
it's okay to admit you're tech-illiterate, we can spoonfeed you without you being rude bud. though I'm surprised using a browser filtered you
didn't even need to scroll actually, it's right there. if you scroll down there are more updates in chronological order, even

>>108557856
He did have problems with Kubuntu. Also, Luke gave up on CachyOS because it's a meme distro, unlike Pop.

>>108558259
Unblock Twitter.

does Cosmic have a good program to set up gamepads?
I use Sway atm but I was thinking about switching to KDE because there are too many things I miss from winshit, the niggly shit.
apparently either GNOME or KDE has a good gamepad mapping utility. gonna do some trialling of all of these DEs.

>>108559357
>apparently either GNOME or KDE has a good gamepad mapping utility
neither of them do? you might be thinking of some distro's pre-packaged tool, afaik people just do it via Steam nowadays.

>>108559357
I'm not exactly sure what you're looking for. I thought keymapping and such is done per game, similar to keyboard?

>>108557925
Quickshell + a decent window decoration plugin for Hyprland could get you a pretty decent desktop.

>>108558304
>>108558832
>a homepage that's just a twitter feed
>every single tweet is just a design choice
Even giving this a second chance, the whole project always comes back to being yet another Gnome derivate. Of course "it'll properly go stable before Cosmic", most of the work was already done.
And yeah, having to lower my adblocker isn't doing it any favours either.. I still think it's vaporware, just less than before.

>>108559876
Can even go with labwc if you want a regular floating desktop like usual, it's gotten pretty good recently.
>window decoration plugin for Hyprland
Had no idea that was a thing, might check it out honestly.

>>108560083
https://github.com/hyprwm/hyprland-plugins/tree/main/hyprbars
it's really more of a proof of concept but yeah, being able to load openbox/labwc themes or something would be nice. i actually rather do like hyprland as a floating wm. KWin used to let you load themes from other WMs way back in the day,

>>108558028
https://github.com/pop-os/cosmic-reader
Maybe?

>>108560399
Cool. This and a new image viewer is exactly what I'm missing. The GNOME's one (or whatever it is right now on the PopOS) is fucking awful.

>>108544747
System76 are Clevo laptop sellers. If anything, Pop!_OS is harming their business, not helping them.

>>108560489
Explain.

>>108545365
You're just listing things that don't cause any issue when not using COSMIC is a sad attempt to launder out the blame for the DE's failure. Cope.

>>108560523
They've been reselling chinese laptops well before they had their own OS. What else is there to explain?

>>108560559
How is PopOS harming their business still mandates an explanation.

>>108560527
For him specifically, that was the problem.

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>>108560527
he either didn't watch it or is doing it maliciously. only left 4 dead was unrelated, shit like the missing/double Steam windows and unresponsive mouse on a fullscreen game were fundamentally compositor issues, you can find several reddit threads about buggy gaming experiences. he switched to KDE and has had mostly praise so far.

>>108558011
>yet another GTK4 Desktop, i.e. another Gnome derivate
gnome is not written in gtk and nobody ever seems to talk about it
it has its own toolkit named shell toolkit (st), they literally maintain a whole other toolkit just for the shell that does not share code with gtk
thats why they are able to do shit like fractional scaling years before gtk

>>108545065
truth

>>108555674
i agree that it's not even close to ready. i think they know that, but to push back the release date would look pretty bad and reduce faith in it. and it being something that only linux enthusiasts will know or care about helps them, theyll get good feedback and not mouthbreathers that have a meltdown if theres a single issue they need to fix

>>108555674
>>108560964
I do think it was even simpler; just economics. Instead of investing into two separate systems, they can now focus on one. Their main focus group playing into is surely welcomed, but at the end of the day it's just money.

>>108560820
True, the black Steam window was their bad, but the mouse think was a Proton issue.
>has had mostly praise so far
He said multiple times that he also had friction with Kubuntu. Meanwhile, COSMIC works on my machine.

>>108560625
>how is diverting resources away from a buisness harmful to that business?

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great, can't wait to witness another attempt at fixing linux For Good™ by fragmenting even more and creating more overhead for developers that recreate yet another time instead of fixing what we have

>>108563523
Hey Ebussy, friendly reminder System76 offered both patches and manpower yet Gnome turned them down. Funny, isn't it.