Will humanity ever get rid of the 8-bit H.264 cockroach video codec? Also why didn't 10-bit H.264 (still inferior to 10-bit AV1) become a thing?
>>108549224if you actually cared about video quality youd use lossless avi instead of faffing about with meme games
>>108549242We don't have 1 gorrillion of bandwidth on demand 24/7 you knuckle dragging ape.
>>108549290where in the world do you not have that? canada? please stop posting if so
>>108549224>propose 2 modes in the same codec>is surprised when cuntpanies favour the worst mode of said codec
>>108549224Both images look like dogshit.Show a better example.
>>108549224now post the file size of both(YIFY is good enough for me btw)
10bit H.264 is or used to be pretty common in some niches that care about quality.
>>108549224>Also why didn't 10-bit H.264 (still inferior to 10-bit AV1) become a thing?Because the only hardware decoder that supports it is from Rockchip.
>>108549224people with shitty hardware will keep it alive forever sadly
>>108549224>Also why didn't 10-bit H.264 (still inferior to 10-bit AV1) become a thing?Because every source video is still 8-bit.
>>108549290sounds like a murica problem
>>108549856https://yukisubs.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/why_does_10bit_save_bandwidth_-_ateme.pdf
>>108549224I still prefer H.264 because it's the only codec my X220 can hardware decode without burning up.
>>108549955If 10-bit is so good, then why not 11-bit, or 9-bit? Is 10-bit truly the golden middle, or just "good enough"?
>>108549224so much chroma noise!
>>108549290thirdie moment
>>10855078210-bit is a bigger jump from 8-bit, same reason why Windows 8/10 exists but not Windows 9. The idea is that video encoders are dumb as rocks, which is true to some extent because people want to encode video at 20-40 FPS not at 0.1 to 0.2 FPS (ie see the VVC disaster). 10-bit basically gives encoders more chances to not fuck things up. 11/12/13/ and so on don't result in better compression even though in theory it should also help, so only video snobs use these weird bit depths which are also not decode friendly.
The usecase of av1 is netflix dropping "4k" streams down to 800kbps. It's a terrible codec because it's built to serve a terrible purpose: how much can we shave bandwidth costs without inciting open customer revolt.At least vp9 for all its faults was just trying to be a technological hedge against mpeg and friends rent seeking.
>>108552389You're confusing improper use of a product with a bad product. SVT-AV1-PSY exist but isn't used by Goyflix.https://svt-av1-psy.com/video/
>>108552428No you're confusing using a machete to cut steak at a dinner table with fitness for purpose.The machete was meant to go hacking through the bush no matter what you convince yourself you can do with it.The perceptual metrics that av1 is built against are 100% about gutting bandwidth as much as they can. That's a fine usecase if you run a multi-million dollar cdn. It's not my usecase. It's not your usecase. AV1 is round hole square peg retarded for every consumer even the braindead modern anime encoder.
>>108552459Please provide a source the GOYFLIX specifically used SVT-AV1-PSY.Go on, you're deadset on your AV1 crusade so you have proof, RIGHT?
>>108552459okay. i dont think you need to be so mean about it.
>>108552478He's full of shit, probably a VVC shill.
>>108549311>>108549915>>108551965there are plenty of rural areas even in rich western countries that only have 100mbit to this very day
>>108552497Even then it's often never actually 100 Mbps to the consumer because his wifi shitbox uses an 800Mhz single core MIPS CPU and suffers from bufferbloat out the ass.
>>108549224Kys daiz
>>108549224>caring about quality the is literally impossible to appreciate without pausing and zooming
>>108552459>implying file size reduction isn't relevant for the average users>in an age of astronomical memory pricesRetard detected.
>>108549224>10-bitah yes let's just waste 6 bits that we need for alignment anyway, for no reason, brilliant
>>108554150This still blows my mind: 10-bit 4:2:0 video uses less memory than 8-bit RGB video. Wasting those 6 bits only applies to 4:4:4 10-bit video, which pretty much nobody uses.
>>108549224they look the same
Some video, audio, and image compression autists rage at pragmatic choices. When it comes to video at the high end there's suspicion of more "efficient" codecs because of poor film grain handling or fucked up chroma BUT THIS COULD BE LIKE 2-3GB SMALLER MAN AND HAVE THE "SAME" QUALITY PLEASE THROW AWAY YOUR FIRE STICK AND REDO YOUR PLEX/JELLYFIN LIBRARY NOW!!!
>>108555124>6-bit monitor in 2026
>>108549311Anywhere, you don't actually have gigabit internet because your ISP oversubscribes 5:1 or something like thatYou have no idea about anything relevant is my point
>>108550782Four 10-bit numbers packs perfectly into 5 bytes. For 9-bits it would take eight numbers to pack perfectly and for 11-bits it would take seven.10-bits gives a good improvement on range and allows for four shades for dithering whether as 9-bits only gives two.There's probably more reasons but off the top of my head those are pretty good reasons alone.
>>108554385nta but I wish more people used 4:4:4. Funnily enough I don't care a lot about 4K resolutions (I only ever use 1080p screens) but I can downscale the 4:2:0 4K and get 4:4:4 1080p like I want.
>>108555653The benefits of 4:4:4 especially with modern video codecs like AV1 which do better chroma upscaling isn't huge anymore. AV2 will probably kill 4:4:4 for good.
>>108555653ya anon like ben hur 6:7 drum scan original and few others more
>10-bithttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpHQWN162MM>get rid of 8-bitPic related.
>>108553650And he shall be summoned from the depth of all unholy bytes.
>>108555635I always thought it was because 10 bit RGB fits in 32 bits.Am I an idiot?
>>108558545It gets weird with YUV because 3 out of 4 color samples are missing and they're upscaled later. It saves a fuckton of memory, see >>108554385
>>108549224They both look identical. Take your meds.
>>108549224>8-bit vs 10-bit>8-bit png
>>108552497Rural populations are overwhelmingly on the older side of the spectrum so they are the very people still voting against getting fibre to these backwater shitholes so fuck them and fuck you too if you give a shit about them.
for me its 10bit hvec
>>108549224marginal difference, like 4k to 8k. not enough to make me want to pay out the ass for upgrades.
>>108549224in the meantime, a great program to making shitty webm / mp4 for 4chan: https://github.com/orlfman/FFmpeg-Converter-GTK
>>108549224My 8-bit screen can reprocude the smooth gradient in the so called "10-bit" just fine
>>108559163>>108559633Dam, you people really can't afford OLED? Do you eat cup noodles for breakfast, lunch, and dinner?
>>108559557Laurel. It was never even close.
>>108549224Through autistic analysis, I had some old youtube videos downloaded from youtube that were ~2gb in size h264, I downloaded them again as yt has switched them to av1 and are under 500mb, problem is the quality is lower...it's not perceivable from a normal viewing distance, but you are losing detail, and this triggered me that for videos I didn't download now I can only get an inferior version.I also do my own recordings and I tried the gpu indistinguishable quality preset for h265 and av1 and the h265 one is clearly superior in terms of quality (not size), so I don't see the hype for this crap at all, it's just corpos trying to save on storage space.
>>108554150uh clickless nikkor sticker shock and /g/ is thinking 10-bit video
>>108559640What about windows? I'm not a tranny
>>108555345hey lets flicker 6-bit pixels and its nearly eight bit
>>108562306GPU video encoders don't focus on quality, just speed. If you want quality you have to use SVT-AV1-PSY.https://svt-av1-psy.com/video/
>>108562318ffmpeg, you're welcome btw
>>108562335Easier than 100% of other tutorials, holy based.
My tablet can't play 10bit video. I dunno if it's a CPU thing or this lineageOS build I have is trash.
>>108563137It's probably a display thing. 10-bit is HDR, High Dynamic Range.
>>108549224I don't get it
>>108549224You intentionally want to make hw accel broken on perfectly capable of hardware. It isn't happpening.
>>10854922410-bit H.264 requires special hardware. If they did not care about compatibility, the codec would have been abandoned ages ago.
