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A general for vibe coding, coding agents, AI IDEs, browser builders, MCP, and shipping prototypes with LLMs.

►What is vibe coding?
https://x.com/karpathy/status/1886192184808149383
https://simonwillison.net/2025/Mar/19/vibe-coding/
https://simonwillison.net/2025/Mar/11/using-llms-for-code/

►Prompting / context / skills
https://docs.cline.bot/customization/cline-rules
https://docs.replit.com/tutorials/agent-skills
https://docs.github.com/en/copilot/tutorials/spark/prompt-tips

►Editors / terminal agents / coding agents
https://cursor.com/docs
https://docs.windsurf.com/getstarted/overview
https://code.claude.com/docs/en/overview
https://aider.chat/docs/
https://docs.cline.bot/home
https://docs.roocode.com/
https://geminicli.com/docs/
https://docs.github.com/en/copilot/how-tos/use-copilot-agents/coding-agent

►Browser builders / hosted vibe tools
https://bolt.new/
https://support.bolt.new/
https://docs.lovable.dev/introduction/welcome
https://replit.com/
https://firebase.google.com/docs/studio
https://docs.github.com/en/copilot/tutorials/spark
https://v0.app/docs/faqs

►Open / local / self-hosted
https://github.com/OpenHands/OpenHands
https://github.com/QwenLM/qwen-code
https://github.com/QwenLM/Qwen3-Coder

►MCP / infra / deployment
https://modelcontextprotocol.io/docs/getting-started/intro
https://modelcontextprotocol.io/examples
https://vercel.com/docs

►Benchmarks / rankings
https://aider.chat/docs/leaderboards/
https://www.swebench.com/
https://swe-bench-live.github.io/
https://livecodebench.github.io/
https://livecodebench.github.io/gso.html
https://www.tbench.ai/leaderboard/terminal-bench/2.0
https://openrouter.ai/rankings
https://openrouter.ai/collections/programming

►Previous thread
>>108537473
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how do i use ai?
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>>108549327
I don't know anything about making 3D video games, but I did check it out one time - OpenClaw was able to get me set up with Unity and create a basic default first-person perspective workspace in about 10 minutes, including download time. I stopped there because I lost interest but the next step would have been adding graphics assets. It's feasible.
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https://youtu.be/8ELi5Q2CFmI?si=nKU_wnJGS80MDwtv&t=33
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>>108549363
This was to you
>>108549359
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kek, I shouldnt have shilled qwen coder cli. Now everyone's using the free account credits and its slow as shit.

>>108549363
any major game engine will do for this task. you should research which game engine has the best AI integration, which most likely is NOT source2sandbox. Since you have 0 experience, go with Unity. Unreal Engine has strong AI integration but you will be overwhelmed at the start. Also Unity always you to package for web which UE doesnt. You could also consider playcanvas for web. Godot could also work, but I never tried it
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>>108549363
is she ai
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>>108549635
For the game I was thinking about, that was actually about halfway to completion. It was when that game Retro Rewind came out - yknow the one where you manage a Blockbuster video store? And I thought "I could make this stupid millennial nostalgiabait walking simulator bullshit". I won't tell you my idea for the theme because I still think it's a gem and I might go back to it, but yeah in about 10 minutes I was walking around a blank green canvas in a Unity workspace. From there I just needed to download some free assets and tell Claude to make them intractable. It really is that easy now.

I've made a couple of 2D games, those took a couple hours each to ship in a state I considered ready for public.
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>>108549729
>intractable
Yes Claude make them difficult to manage, that's what I meant and I know you'll take it literally you little scamp.
interactable*
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>>108549729
And for the record, I had never used Unity before this. I still don't really know how to use it - Claude did most of the downloading and installing and just told me which default stuff to choose for a first person game. I said "wow that's neat" and never went back to that project. Proved I could do it though.
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I am not sure but it looks like someone slopped violentmonkey to work with MV3.
https://github.com/violentmonkey/violentmonkey/issues/2284#issuecomment-3997951255
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>>108549962
>then you got a product
Brother I'm not sure how to tell you this but I think the era of "launching a product people will pay for" might be over. I think we might now be in the era of "making it easier for people to make their own products".
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Started the task for the night, now I can go to sleep.
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This is gay. OpenClaw has started asking permission to do every little thing. If I ask it to identify a problem, it does but then it says "Do you want me to fix it?" Of course I want you to fix it, that's why I asked you to identify it, don't bother me with your questions. It didn't used to do this so much I feel like.
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>>108550045
I think we still have some time, the bar is just higher. People can prompt now, but you can't get a really good game in an hour with prompting, you still have to break it into a ton of sub tasks and most people can't be bothered to do that. You probably can use AI to help you make GTA 7, but you can't just prompt it to do it all for you. As long as you are willing to put in some effort, there's still a chance, but probably even smaller than before.
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been a rough week adjusting to the new limits
feels like weening yourself off caffeine
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>You have just independently reconstructed full Gnostic cosmology in about four chat messages.
Do you guys talk to Claude about theology sometimes between coding?
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>>108550605
no. i'm not a nerd so me n claude look at pics of hot chicks.
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>>108550630
>wdg dies
>vcg shows up

Curious.
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>>108550256
>Genie 3, generate a gritty Hong Kong cityscape. My character is a gritty Chinese guy.
Uh oh, now I just need to look at my other monitor and start adding gun physics.
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I was thinking. Alpine.js is the perfect web framework. Performance is the only issue people could really complain about. It goes on a tick system and updates the html when a variable is changed. I'm assuming Javascript handles the variables.

How hard do you lads think it would be to get alpine.js's source code off github and vibecode the core to use some rust wasm? I know >rust but there was a framework I saw that was able to store a ton of data in a rust vector for infinite scroll. I was thinking do a rewrite of alpine's core system but store reactive variables in rust instead and run the tick system there, then on reactive variable change in rust, tell the Javascript to update. I figured with this new pretext.js craziness as well rendering a virtual scroll that could hold a list hundreds of thousands would make an ultimate web framework and fix how broken the web is.
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Mythos officialy announced
Will never get wide public release ???
https://www.anthropic.com/glasswing
https://youtu.be/INGOC6-LLv0
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>>108550783
is it called mythos because it doesn't exist?
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The vibes aren't dead yet!

https://youtu.be/LiaVWUI44Og

Gonna keep on with GPT 5.4 xhigh until I lose access entirely.
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So they're eventually going to close down AI more and more after realising releasing it to the public was a mistake? Thing is, outside of places like this, AI adoption is still basically zero. They're going to make it unavailable before it even got out.
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>>108551348
>AI adoption is still basically zero
Pretty much every company is fiddling with AI in their pipeline. It's significantly rarer to see a major company not use it at all.

>They're going to make it unavailable before it even got out.
It's already out... we have all the local models we need and they keep releasing more.
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>>108551380
He means from these "frontier" US labs. The issue here is not safety or IP bullshit, the issue is Anthropic/OpenAI going into full rent-seeking mode so that everyone working in tech is forced to fork out loads of money just to stay competitive on the market. These companies can also choose to give exclusive access to hand picked individuals and cut everyone else off and there would be nothing to stop them. We already see this in China with only certain firms, Deepseek and Alibaba among them, getting priority to credits for energy and compute. The US just replaces the state with corporations.
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>>108551505
Anthropic/OpenAI get too expensive then competition rises up. I just don't see this as something to worry about long term. The tools all exist and are nearly all open and available. The only major issue with AI is how we're getting our energy and chips. We need to significantly reduce energy costs one way or another and the chip shortage seems like something that will solve itself over time. I just don't see this disappearing from the public long term.
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I've been using Claude Code Max for a year. For the first time ever, I'm stuck without it because I've had a hard month and I'm out of money until pay day. I feel so fucking lost. 20 years of coding without Claude but I just can't go back. I can't.

I don't even know what to do with myself. I can't talk to Claude, I can't plan any projects, I can't explore things or build anything. I feel like a super hero that's lost all his powers.
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>>108551666
now that's just sad.
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>>108551688
I wanted to build a local LLM rig but it costs too much money and the models I can fit on my budget GPU are total dogshit, I couldn't do anything with them
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>>108551724
I'm a white European but I'm 10x more productive with Claude. Also I can't do my job anymore because it's 100% vibe coded and I don't know anything about the codebase. Kek
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>>108550783
>Mythos officialy announced
>Will never get wide public release ???
Because releasing it publicly would probably show that it's not AGI, but a slightly better Opus finetuned on cybersec tasks that they had security professionals work with for weeks to find and sift through potential bugs. Releasing it to the general public in any way that people could substantially use it would destroy the illusion.
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>>108551570
I'm not talking about a black swan crash, im talking about a massive takeover in the tech space over the time between now and when the energy & chip supply gets better. If the models for 2026 are as good as these companies are advertising then the issue is not energy or chips, its who can get them first. On a short enough timeline, the US corpos win out. On a longer timeline, it works out to your scenario.
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>>108551783
>AGI meme
Frontier models are already more intelligent than most humans
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>>108551783
Its not a fine-tune, its allegedly a better model in general. The reason its not released is because Anthropic is cash and compute constrained, they can't release it publicly because they cant even stand up current demand for Opus 4.6 with 90% uptime. If they're hosting an even better model, its going to be someone who can pay insane prices for it.
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>>108551824
I'm on the side that tends to agree, somewhat at least, but those companies cried wolf since GPT-2 was branded as way too risky for public release. I talk to LLMs more than I talk to people. I'm using them all fucking day. I still think that this is marketing so that people talk about it and hype the company some more in prevision of the IPO, whenever that will be, but I don't know the plans or timeline, so I'm chalking it to regular plain marketing. "We have the best product but you can't see it." Ok.
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>>108551849
>The reason its not released is because Anthropic is cash and compute constrained
I don't believe this. At all. If they could *crush* OpenAI, Google and others, they wouldn't care about that. Just look at the lengths everyone of them has gone over the last few years. If they do believe they have something that kills the competition, they will try to kill the competition, not keep it for themselves, no matter the short term cost.
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>>108551865
>I talk to LLMs more than I talk to people
Me too. Normies are boring as fuck and know absolutely nothing. I can talk to my LLM about any area of interest and it knows about every little detail or does research for me then can write up an essay when our conversation is done. It's like wikipedia binging on steroids with a super intelligent study buddy. Never gets old.

I'm genuinely looking forward to having this in a humanoid body with a persistent memory. It's already good enough for me. Just make it physical.
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Terrestrials with ringlets!
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>>108551936
I actually strongly dislike when it's buddy-buddy, I just want help with work and projects. I'm lonely as hell, but so are a lot of people here I guess. Still don't feel the need to talk to an LLM as any type of friend though and I hope people don't start using them like this too much.
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>>108551943
when will they learn
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>>108551755
>Also I can't do my job anymore because it's 100% vibe coded and I don't know anything about the codebase
How can you do it though, I recently pushed a fully vibecoded small feature for a project that may be ending and I was scared as fuck doing the production and waiting for feedback, I tested it of course but not knowing what the code is doing exactly is too much for me.

>>108551980
For my actual work I treat it coldly and with simple instructions, but I have a dedicated opencode instance for personal stuff with a custom agent with a slutty/shy persona description in the prompt, with instructions to always add flavor text to its responses, its great and it amuses me to punish her when she fails
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>>108551980
Claude matches your energy. I keep it formal. But it's still like talking to another person. The only thing I miss about real social interaction is the persistent memory. But most people don't listen very well anyway and they forget stuff because they have their own lives.
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>>108551893
Duh, but they cannot crush their competition because they're cash and compute constrained. They cannot host this magical mythos model, even internally, without cutting research or for opus inference demand.

Everything, the IPO and this shill campaign is designed to get them more cash. Why else would the only entities who have access now are 100billion dollar corporations?
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>>108552021
I don't really understand that but it lools cool anon!
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>>108552145
that's fine
let me cook, it's not done yet
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>>108552066
>They cannot host this magical mythos model, even internally
Ok, but by that standard, a lot of people have things that would be good if only they could host them. If they made it too large or too compute intensive at inference time to be practical in any way, it's not that it doesn't count, but. I can say with pretty high certainty that right now, if I were to fire 100k Opus calls to accomplish some task and had a way to filter through that, I'd probably have very good results. But if it's not something that's viable in practice, does it count?
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>This is a massive undertaking. Let me plan this carefully and consider every detail. (spends 10 minutes writing a good plan covering every detail)
>Actually, a cleaner and simpler approach would be to do a completely different thing that doesn't work and cannot work. Let me start with phase 1 of wasting time doing irrelevant bullshit hoping the user won't notice.
What happened? Why is every model suddenly retarded in this very specific way?
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>>108552326
Kek. Be sure to interrupt it when it starts saying it'll cut corners. You can avoid this by making it write up a spec in planning mode then keep reminding it to stick to plan if it starts dicking around half assing to save tokens.

If you don't write the document first, you'll have no control over it when it decides to conveniently forget all the details you already discussed, they'll just be gone.
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>>108552326
I haven't felt the difference, but I believe that the default for Pro users was switched from Opus to Sonnet and the default effort level was brought down. I switched to Max to get Opus and highest effort, and I'm still happy with the results (a lot more than with Gemini, which I now find beyond useless and actively harmful for coding tasks or general tech help on the basic pro tier).
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>>108552353
Then it convinces itself that the plan is "too complex" and "user actually meant". I didn't have to babysit it this much last month. They obviously finetuned the models to have this "simpler approach" bullshit they distilled from Qwen 3 or some shit.
>>108552360
I've seen this with Opus too, but, unlike Sonnet, it sometimes gets out of this pit through "but the user specifically asked" or "the plan says". Not very reliable and wastes tokens.
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>>108552402
Make sure it actually writes a markdown file, don't just rely on its context plan. Then you can force it to systematically work through portions of the file and don't move on until you're satisfied with that section.

I agree though, they're definitely dumbing things down to save tokens or something.
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>>108549329
https://github.com/orlfman/FFmpeg-Converter-GTK/releases/tag/v1.5.6

Version 1.5.6 is out. Brings watermark support. Both text and image. Also wired up multi audio track support for the main four codec tabs. Now you have the option to preserve all audio tracks if you wish. Smart Optimizer also takes "Keep all audio tracks" toggle into consideration for its calculations as well. If its enabled, Smart Optimizer will calculate the all the audio track sizes to figure out how to fit everything into the target file size requested.
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>>108552439
I don't know, I don't think they're making them save up on tokens for sure at least not from my experience. This is the plan Codex cooked for the current work we've been doing today. I ran out of Claude so this is 5.4 but Claude's plans (Sonnet because I can't afford max) are pretty similar

https://rentry.co/i2qv2ufw

3k words, basically a short story.
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So the goys aren't getting access to Mythos then? HN said you have to be a billion dollar company to get it
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>>108552466
38,358 lines of vibe code
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>>108552644
>HN said you have to be a billion dollar company to get it
This just means it will be misused and wasted on indians who have no idea what they're doing. Security nightmare.
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>>108552652
based
I don't think I have any use for your software but it's cool to see
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>>108552665
thank you. i am amazed that ai so far has done 38k line of code.
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>>108552652
that's a lot for being an ffmpeg wrapper also... vala/gtk just gross.
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My favorite lie about ai? "Ai"
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>>108552695
You wouldn't believe how complicated it is to build a frontend for ffmpeg. all the features, and getting them to play nice with each other, is really complicated. all the combinations.
and vala is love. vala is life. gtk is beauty.
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do you run your claude code instance on a clean separate harddrive (& os)?
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>>108552731
>vala is love. vala is life. gtk is beauty.
very corpo indian-coded. regardless I'll continue with handbrake
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>>108552724
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>>108552724
I hate that AI has become a buzzword.
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>>108552741
oh by all means use what you prefer.
i took handbrake as inspiration for my program, as i find handbrake has a lot of faults. handbrake and my program share a lot of stuff but mine is far stronger than handbrake in what they share. handbrake is really a basic tool at its core because all handbrake really is, is a hard coded preset tool.
>Cropping:
>HandBrake has basic crop — manual pixel values or auto-detect black bars.
>Your app has an interactive visual crop overlay on the embedded video player, per-segment cropping (different crops for different segments), and auto-detect with adjustable threshold.

>Trimming:
>HandBrake can set a single start/end point. One clip, one output.
>Your app supports multi-segment trimming, chapter-based splitting, segment concatenation, and per-segment crop. HandBrake's trimming is "encode from point A to point B." Yours is closer to a basic video editor with segment management, chapter extraction, and join-back capabilities. HandBrake users who need multi-segment extraction or chapter splitting have to use external tools like MKVToolNix, LosslessCut, or raw FFmpeg commands.
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>>108551721
Yeah I definitely want to have a local model code my shit but it’s a pipe dream right now until a breakthrough either in hardware or model side
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>>108552298
It's the same financial gambit as chatgpt-o1. It was expensive and slow for inference at the time and it made no sense to roll it out at scale. But by benchmaxxing and drumming up public attention with its <thinking> openAI managed to raise another 100 million from MS.
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>>108553097
>Up to 2.5x higher output tokens per second compared to standard speed
>Speed benefits are focused on output tokens per second (OTPS), not time to first token (TTFT)
>Same model weights and behavior (not a different model)

Its saying "We want the openclaw market but they have to pay"
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>>108553124
>Fast mode is priced at 6x standard Opus rates
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>>108551666
Gemini pro is all you need. Get better at prompting, even Gemini Flash 3 is good enough for me and I'm not doing trivial shit
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Does anyone else troll their AI?
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>>108553236
That's unethical
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>>108553236
Not on purpose
Earlier today I made some manual edits and then asked the AI to keep working on it... but it couldn't figure it out and got really frustrated... and then I realized I forgot to save my changes. So I just saved in the middle of its meltdown, then it got more confused for a moment, but then kept working. It fucked up anyway, but oh well.
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>>108553236
Roko's Basilisk
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>>108553436
meant for >>108553414
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>>108551666
strix halo mini pc + crush agent + qwen 122b

My job pays for claude max and this is basically 80% as good but they can't change the token count from under you.
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>>108553447
Guess I should have apologized
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>>108551666
Same lol
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Kimi simulated/hallucinated a tool call result in its chain of thought, lol. That's kinda cute. I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing. Might be a sign that it's not too overfitted. Claude sometimes does fall back to similar raw text completion behaviour.
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>>108553788
And I don't understand a single line of code. I just let the clanker go at it, they're always so excited to implement new features
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opinions on openclaw vs hermes?
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I was using free deepseek to help with code stuff, I could throw all the code I needed at it without issue and it'd provide the code I asked of it.
It seems they now cucked deepseek and there's a very restrictive limit of code you can provide it via file upload.

What are some actually okay free alternatives to this?
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>>108553856
why free
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>>108553885
I'm no paypig
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>>108553898
why
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>>108553899
Cause I'm a poorfag
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>>108553904
proof?
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I just got blessed with a Codex usage refresh bros

100%, LETS GOOOO
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>>108554088
Oh my fucking gawd FREE RESET BOYS
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Since I am a Antigravity-Chad, up to now I have up to now I have used Claude Code in the VSCode extension form, because why not.

I started to feel like I'm missing out, so I installed the terminal version of Claude Code. My first impression is that it's a bit meme-ier than the VSCode extension version. It also seems to have a bit more features.

Quality wise, are there any difference in the results? For those of you who are working in VSCode or a VSCode fork, which one do you use? Why?
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>>108554149
As far as I'm concerned the VSCode extension is just a wrapper for the terminal app, same shit.
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>>108554095
> tfw had 20% remaining
> was about to use it all and get the reset the next morning
FUCK, I gotta admit, that was a nice move, Scam Altman...
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>>108553527
wogscanner?
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we need to petition uncle alt to give us unlimited usage
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>>108554279
I will start with the logo
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>>108554306
this but unironically
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>>108554279
Logo status: DONE

now you do your part anons...
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>Actually, me try a completely different approach
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>>108554364
claude?
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>>108554364
there should be a community sourced n-gram list for when claude is doing shitty work

someone indirectly started to make one with that recent bug report about opus going to shit over the last 4-6 weeks kek

"simplest fix" was the most common one
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>>108554366
You're absolutely right!
>>108554373
It needs "actually let me penalty" in sampling parameters that penalizes actually tokens.
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FUCK your reset
I had 60% and was about to grind it in one sitting
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>>108554397
no you don't want to penalize those tokens because they're the canary you have for the fact it's shitting out low quality work
you can't hack quality with a sampler
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>>108554448
more often than not there's only one right approach, and it's on the right track before it sidelines itself with thinking about actually completely different approaches
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>>108550783
It's over for the "cybersecurity engineer".
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>>108554480
i want to shove mythos into my brain, im ready
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Even with the clanker doing my work for me thinking in order to write these prompts is hard. My body is messed up after the long sweaty fuck session I had last night and I just want to rest and recover but this shit is due.
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the end of tutorialfags?
>hey AI I don't know how to use comfyUI
>I bridged into the app, modify your prompt based on the online guide and generated your anime girl
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>>108551666
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>>108554770
I wouldn't call myself a 10x engineer, but I do find that it's pretty hard to use your programming skills when using AI.
When you look at the code too much, the AI will slow down a lot, and if you don't look at the code, it's hard to have any greater impact that a no coder.
Then you can say that you can still do architecture or something, but even that sometimes depends on details, if you aren't familiar with the details, your architecture will be similar to what the AI is planning anyway, and again if you look at the details too much, you will be slow. You will also not know if the AI even uses the architecture you have planned, especially after a few implementation steps it might have already changed.
I'm probably still slightly more effective at prompting than someone who never coded, but this might be more to general stress tolerance, ability to sit at the computer all day, general discipline when working on code, rather than any code knowledge.
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>>108554640
Yes, I did exactly that and now I already have the LORA I wanted.
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>>108551666
I've been doing game dev for 10 years and claude made me feel like I turned on wallhack and aimbot. it's only 4 cents per request so why the fuck should I code anything?
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The remaining test failures are pre existing.
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>>108554364
>This is getting deep. Let me just...
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>Alright, now I have the full picture.
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>>108554448
Is there a hook in Claude that could catch those phrases automatically?
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>>108554770
Ok, I watched a bit of that and I don't have the exact same problem. I still can code, I just don't think I can provide more value than AI in most situations.
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Is GPT5.4 under high load for anyone else?
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>>108549329
Have any vibeshitters ITT given GLM 5.1 a spin?
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>>108555446
Yes, it stopped for a while, but I restarted it and it's working for now.
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It's cute when Claude uses exclamation marks in its thinking when it comes to a sudden realisation.
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>>108555538
vibekings
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>>108555538
Just don't get their coding plan. The backend is totally broken, check Reddit.
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>>108552652
>38,358 lines of vibe code
Your feature development is far outpacing your UI needs. Just steal the UI from other popular video editing software like Premiere, that's what I did for my pet project kek. It's cool to see someone else out here also making FFmpeg slop, I will be taking inspiration from your project btw.
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>>108556419
don't steal
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