>here's your secure messaging apps bro, enjoy your privacy
>>108568338are you retarded or just illiterate?
why the fuck are you messaging people on your phoneif you care about privacy only message people on your computer
>>108568381At it again, unit 8200 slave? Go on, refute this: https://desuarchive.org/g/thread/107313561/(You can't, so shut the fuck up once and for all)
>>108568407>"Private" messenger relies on ISPrefuted lmao
>>108568338don't use push notifications? this sounds a lot like an iPhone implementation problem, not Signal
>>108568338is this that hard?
>>108568338Why no full disc encryption, I thought iPhones were unhackable?
>>108568662and if I don't hide messages - they'll be shown in history as any other app notification so scary, muh surveilance state of tech
>>108568338The secure part is the transport, not the storage.
now you know what is using all of the gray space in iphone storage. fucking notifications database lmao
>>108568794Signal has been a known glownigger front from the very start.
>>108568338>the phone's push notification system is insecure>this is Signal's faultStop. And turning on/not disabling any features that are not immediately pertinent to the purpose of the app is surface area that can be attacked. You know that.
>>108568667I assume Police had a way to unlock the phone.Perhaps the suspect gave the police his password thinking he'd be safe because he deleted Signal in time.If police can unlock your phone and open your Signal app then it's no surprise they can read your messages.But after deleting the Signal app you probably don't expect your messages to still be stored in some other place.
>>108569157>>108568794how come signal doesnt have a popup itself saying "hey turn off notification content" why do they outsource their own security to me?
>>108569279"why does the technology expect me to be literate and read through the settings waahhh i want my hand held"
>>108568338I'm more concerned with how they were able to access data within an iPhone at all. Apple said they don't help feds with iDevices owned by terrorists.
>>108568338Ruh oh..
>>108569279Because Signal isn't aimed as criminals, terrorists or paranoid schitzos.It's for regular people who want to be able to communicate without corporations or government agencies listening in.And as long as you keep your phone private your Signal messages are also private.
>>108569342this is a positive you drooling retardgood enough for spooks, good enough for me
>>108569434Even if they can't read the messages, Mossad still has all of the metadata and can build a tree/graph of relations between users with a single click. Spooks kill people based on metadata alone.
>>108569462are you someone the spooks are likely to target to kill? no? then who gives a fuck
>>108569352It's been a lot of fun watching leftoids get memed into doing all of their organizing on Signal. Nothing is less secure than the place people are told is safe, which causes them to speak openly and honestly. That's why they tell you it is safe to use.Hint: nothing that is not backdoored by glowniggers gets talked about in the jew press. If everyone has heard of it, it's not secure. Simple as.
>>108569469>I have nothing to hide
>>108569495you're so fucking retarded it's unreal. i swear to god people like you must be sockpuppet strawmeni don't want to be surveilled, so i use apps like signal. that blocks effectively all blanket interception, and the majority of targeted spyware. if you're important enough that a nation state wants you dead, they're going to get you one way or another. you're best off living in a fucking cave and using radio communications at that point
>>108569519ngmi
>>108569572you are either trolling, or else too retarded to be worth my time. won't be replying further
>>108569581You perfectly followed the instructions given in the pic, thank you anon!
>>108568338>ios keeps a notification history db>the user can't access it thoughIt does sound like something Apple would do
>>108569572Nah, it means it just doesn't matter. The rest is cope.
>>108568338did they mention how much easier it was to extract messages from other apps?
>>108569484Can you people criticize the protocol and point out actual technical flaws and not just regurgitate this trite talking point? Fuck off back to >>>/pol/
>>108568709Nie xd
>>108568338It's not an accident. Centralised notification infrastructure around which everything is constructed is an obvious method to control the system without stating that you own it. If some application becomes too free, the access can be cut at any moment. Google and Apple services are a privilege, not a right. And it would be too naive to think that any notification from any external source is not recorded as an event in the internal user activity database, and is not processed to extract valuable data.Remember that first feature Microsoft introduced to Skype was killing direct p2p connections. Unwashed masses could not have uncontrollable channels not observed by dedicated system, spying implants were not ready for that back then.
>>108568574>amerimutt>zero understanding of anything related to networksNothing out of the ordinary
>>108568381If the message is important, meet in person, write it on a piece of paper and dispose of it with fire when finished.
>>108568338That's less of an L on signal and more on OS programers allowing notification history to be logged in the first place. Other apps and I think even signal itself have the option to only have generic app notifications that do not display any content whatsoever, a concept even fucking Snapchat developers understand, as lazy and incompetent as they are, And yet people wonder why that app is still popular today.
>>108569352If you don't own and run the server... well...need I say more?
>>108569208Maybe his phone wasn't fully powered off (meaning that the storage wasn't fully encrypted)If he had enabled the lockdown mode thingy, he would've been fine probably.
>It's for regular people who want to be able to communicate without corporations or government agencies listening in.If this is the intended purpose for Signal usage, then, signal isn't the right option. With Signal, the user does not own, nor, control the server.>>108569484I use Tor to host my own private and secure SMP/XFTP servers to use on SimpleX chat. I repurposed old laptops to run the servers and created 30 addresses to communicate privately on SimpleX chat, eliminating the use of SimpleX and Flux servers. I also repurposed an old cellphone running SimpleX client, so it acts as a home phone/landline. I plan on setting up repeater servers with the same 30 addresses at my parents' house in California, my sister's house in Florida and my brother's in Chile. Building my own "cellphone service" over TOR, so to speak. Admittedly, if the internet goes down the addresses are fucked, as with most tech nowadays. But, there is 0 reason for me to use cellphone service and rely on CIA/Mossad spy infrastructure, such as Signal, that's constantly monitored for my communication. Private, secure and encrypted and NO ONE (other than those who need to know) (my family members) knows our addresses (think of them as phone numbers from back in the day).The old Samsung J7 stays at home and receives texts and calls IF and when I cannot be reached on my personal cellphone client. Also, pics and files are sent to the client, over TOR, to act as a mailbox, if needed. Email is and has been obsolete, not private, nor secure for decades. This is the upgrade. You do not be to be reached constantly, nor instantly, all the time. People can leave messages as they leave emails. Debotnet your lives and get back to normalcy.
>>108569352>or government agenciesAre you a bot or just oblivious?
>>108568662wtf they silently added the last option.i was using name only for years.thank you anon, i switched to no name or message.
>>108568338>send all your data to the OS to show you notification>get ownedDuh?
>>108569023>>108568794>The secure part is the transport, not the storage.Which you can't control because it's a non-free smartphone app. E2EE on smartphones is a waste of time.
>>108569434the point is they trust it so much they must have total control of it
>>108571728>>108572063>>108569698>>108569157apple bros how do we reply without sounding mad? our OS is garbage and was supposed yo be the safest most secure OS in the world.
>>108572864Did you read what I wrote here? >>108571728Android has that exact same issue of logging people's notifications by default, probably to an even worse degree.
>>108569572It's not that it doesn't matter. What governments and corporations are doing is wrong but you also have to be realistic. Tech alone won't protect you. They don't even need to actually find anything, if you are important enough they will just say they did and what will you do then?>your honor, I never even owned an iphone, this evidence is bunk>well, we have hundreds of pages from the fbi saying you did, and I trust them more than your word
>>108572808feels like quite a leap
>>108572891stop deflecting, my point is i've seen "iOS is le most secure" a trillion times spammed all over the internet. and now suprise, it's actually as shit as the alternatives.
>>108572891Defaults exist. Some people are always going to be dissatisfied with whatever default settings a system has. You can't please everyone.At some level, the end user needs to be responsible for using their device in a way that aligns with their goals. If you care about device security and privacy, then you should take the time to understand your OS, know its settings and defaults, and change what needs to be changed for your usecase. I'm on GrapheneOS, and I just checked. My notification history is off. I honestly can't tell you if it was off by default, because i got this phone years ago, and the first thing I did was go through the settings and change everything that I wanted to change so the phone would work the way I need it to.
>>108571036well it's a good thing Signal's push notifications that touch the providers' servers are blank, retard
>>108573193>threat model is that the attacker has physical access to the device>but offending app was deleted beforeyou are retarded to think grapheneos will protect you here.don't fucking give the feds your passcode to your phone just because you deleted the app.
>>108569352You didn't address his point at all. People use the app, and expect it to avoid functionality that would limit privacy, and then it explicitly rats on people in plain text because it's own default settings is built to do so.There is no excuse for this.
>>108573545Except>>108568338So,
>>108573626you are also retarded to think an app should protect against the relevant threat model in >>108573623
>>108573642>extracted from physical device>same as extracted from apple's serversnope, retard
>>108573642yes it fetches and decrypts the notifications on-device, so it has to be stored on the device somehow. This is an iToddler issue, not Signal.
>>108573193How do you check it?
>>108572975>my point is i've seen "iOS is le most secure" a trillion times spammed all over the internetThis is true and quite sad. It's a meme at this point yet tech bros can't stop hyping iphones. No it's not magically more secure just because it's an iphone.
>>108568709>>108568662just disable previews for notifications in iOSits literally one switch
>>108573892>>108569279so if this happens I'm to blame for Signal devs lack of QA?a simple message when you run Signal the first time and set it up would suffice>welcome to Signal btw you need to turn off previews on your platformis this so hard to implement? how many millions of dollars and years do they need for this revolutionary feature to happen?
>>108568338>use obvious honeypot on insecure machine Apple can remotely scan at will>get honeypotted
Can someone please explain how push notifications work and how to avoid glowniggers? Especially on GrapheneOS
>>108573968Basically, run your own server. Signal doesn't allow this, so it should be avoided.
>>108573968Everything is backdoored, and/or a psyop. If your """""private""""" data isn't used against you, it is only because the government finds you to be irrelevant and you aren't worth risking exposing the backdoor/psyop and potentially alerting the people they care about monitoring. Literally your best bet is to remain irrelevant.
>>108568338>spyware hardware is a spyware>you allowing it to fuck you in the ass>what a surprise, your ass is fucked
>>108568338should have used IRC
>>108568338If the FBI is after you they will get you bro.
>worried about privacy >uses modern apple products An oxymoron
>>108575192it is not what it used to be is turk italian scam artist run now
>>108571728Just encrypt the storage. I have a notification log on my Linux machine, but because I have LUKS FDE I have nothing to worry about, just unplug the power lol.
>>108575288you're too stupid to run your own irc hidden service on tor?
>>108575364Tor is a honeypot. The US Navy would not have released it publicly if it actually worked, as the US government hates privacy.
>>108574450This is indeed good advice>>108575731All governments hate privacy
>>108572891On Android at least you can see it and you can disable it.On iOS it exists, you can't access it (suprise, the glowies can) and you can't disable it.
Running your own server if the only answer and solution, aside from not making Yousuf a target by doing and saying stupid shit on the phone and the internet. It eliminates 3rd party push notifications and doesn't store anything on the device a message is sent to by default, because it isn't designed with that security flaw. Everything is saved on your own personal, private and secure server with TLS and Signal protocol encryptions. Naturally, you can adjust settings to NOT save anything.
>>108573878I went to the notifications screen and clicked the history button, and the phone told me history was disabled.
>>108575220They just look the other way while tech companies who walk lockstep with them fuck up peoples lives if you know your rights. The FBI is just the government monopolizing gang violence and intimidation. All these bureaus and agencies are illegal and unconstitutional but that door closed when we allowed people who intentionally cause problems or just intentionally neglect things and straight up fucking lie to make excuses for the powercreep of the surveillance state.
>>108572118It's free as in freedom (AGPL)https://github.com/signalapp/Signal-Android
>>108568662All your metadata still goes to apple or googles push notification servers dumb dumb.Enjoy your placebo and you or one of your freinds getting forensically reconstructed and then gaslit into thinking they had notifications on a different setting.
>>108568667>Be cop>Go to apples push notification servers.>Get all the logs (which are still sent to the servers even if you turn the notifications on your end off)>Say they found it on the phone.They dronestrike people based on this kind if metadata btw.It’s not hard to follow how they do it.
>>108569279If you take your private message, write it down on piece of paper and pin it down on local noteboard, it is not the Signals fault, you just being the moron.>they must say me to not do itno they not
>>108569469Feed all your web browser metadata into an LLM and ask it to profile you. Go ahead, do it. It’s all stored in SQL files on chrome, assuming you don’t wipe them regularly.Watch it read you like a book. Like a fucking book.That’s the future of everyone if people don’t take metadata seriously.
>>108579951Btw this came to me in a dream if that matters
>>108568338Signal literally needs PHONE NUMBER. Just use Jami. Jami doesn't even need any email addresses or a nick name or public servers. You can just have LUKS encrypted pc to run everything, including if you want host something by yourself. It also works on Android so you don't have to use insecure iPoor iPoop trash.
>>108578930You on GrapheneOS by chance? Same for me, which is good news. Now set up your own SMP and XFTP server
>>108580287white faggot niggers haven't learned to switch to GrapheneOS and debotnet their lives yet in 2026 holy kek
Why braindead retards like OP keep shilling against Signal?
>>108573644Sending notifications at all should be off by default if it's a privacy/security app. Blaming the environment it's in when it can easily do something about it from the app is autistically asinine.>>108573892What if you want notifications from other apps, though?
>>108573892>just disable previews for notifications in iOSThat doesn't work, you fucking tech illiterate retard, and I bet you don't even know why
