Fucking LOL at falling for the Linux meme. Good luck ruining your life.
>>108580590AI generated image.
>>108580590You don’t even need the power of linux, you can experience just how shit LibreOffice Calc is from the comfort of Windows.
>>108580673It's never brought up to unsuspecting naive people who are considering linux because "muh windows surveillance and jeetcode"
>>108580690Whenever the cultists try to sell people on switching, they automatically suggest LO:Calc as an alternative. They don’t use it, or even know about spreadsheets, it’s either part of the script or some sort of neural token that’s spewed out without reasoning.
>>108580707forreal, I fell for the linux meme, thank God I still have a laptop with windows. The LO CALC is something of nightmaresbrutal
>>108580719If you need something better today there is OnlyOffice in Flatpak. There’s actually a promising fork of that called Euro-Office which hopefully replaces Libre in the future. As far as the interface goes, it’s an attempt to clone Excelhttps://github.com/Euro-OfficeAnother option is Gnumeric, which is probably decent for light use, but I cannot speak for it.Nothing, and I mean absolutely nothing can replace Excel.
you'd be surprised.many office normies seem to like it more because it's closer to classic office experience without the ever shifting ribbon/ai memes that frustrate them.
>>108580590a bad workman blames his tools, calc is fine if you know how to use it. get microslops cock out of your mouth
>>108580590i use the left (and its word equivalent) because my workplace is too stingy to give us a desktop office 365 account, and the web versions of excel/word are fucking trash.
>>108580791I've been using calc for years and it's been fine for my needs.
Gnumeric?
>>108580590Idk I ruined my life and have always veen running windows.
Why do people claim excel is good? It can't even do dates correctly.
>>108580590My whole workplace switched to LibreOffice a few months ago. Haven't had any issues yet.
>>108580590I'm not a spreadsheet jeet.
>>108580590Excel, PowerPoint, and word are all web apps now. 2014 wants their memes back unc
>>108580590I knew a lifelong blood pact for an operating system was too much, d'oh
Is euro office any good? I just don't want to use microshart anymore.
>>108580590Honestly excel is the only worthy spreadsheet application.Google sheets is second, libre office is pile of hot garbage.And as much as I hate AI slop, the "AI" features in excel is pretty nice, it detect what I'm trying to do and offer suggestion which is 99% of the time what I want.
>>108580590>Good luck ruining your life.I don't need luck.
>>108582537Can anyone make a rational argument that isn't just personal preference?I've never seen one.
>he doesn't install Excel on Linuxhttps://github.com/eylenburg/linoffice
>>108581053Excel users have less tech literacy than jeets
>>108580590>spreadshitsNobody talks about how much damage this technology causes on daily basis.>accidentally press a key or have misconfiguration with autocorrect>tiny error propagates downstream>company loses $100MNot having Excel is a feature. Better technology exists.>Good luck ruining your life.Ricing GNU plus linux landed me a job in high energy particle physics instrumentation engineering. The similarity of workflow is really interesting>setups are similar to what you see on /bst/ + expensive custom hardware (ASICs, FPGAs), $60k oscilloscopes, digitizers, racks of expensive gear>experiment control PCs run GNU/Linux>mostly CLI software, edit configs with vim>lots of networking, have to deal with TBs of data>cable spaghetti everywhere>shitty software written by physicists (if you think linux software is shit, you have seen nothing yet)>I once saw someone doing alignment procedures with Libre Office Impress by aligning screenshots on different slides>can't even eat in a control hut because of radioactive dust from particle beam lines>night shifts from hotel over ssh to babysit hardware if anything weird happens>...or spend a night in a spooky sci-fi industrial area while some ungodly beam of energy keeps generating antimatter particles every time it hits something>of course you're also surrounded by autists so you feel right at home>basically a /g/ basement on steroids with government level funding
>>108581461It’s identical to OnlyOffice which you can test today. The reason for the fork is distance themselves from the Russian origins of the project. If OnlyOffice is good enough for you now, then consider the EuroOffice fork in the summer. I only tested the OnlyOffice spreadsheet program: I’m very impressed with the amount of features they’ve cloned, it’s practically 1:1 excluding LET/LAMBDA/REDUCE. Performance wasn’t great for numerically heavy workloads, but for the most part, that’s not typically how I use Excel.Anyways, OO is free to test, see for yourself. https://www.computerworld.com/article/4152487/euro-office-billed-as-europes-sovereign-alternative-to-microsoft-office.html
>>108580590I've done too much webdev.I rewrite all of my documents into HTML/CSS with a smattering of JS.Feels so much better, knowing they're just plaintext and not zipped XML.
>>108580590The only problem I have with Calc is that it slows to a crawl every time I zoom out. But other than that, it is nowhere near as bad as some here claim.
>>108580590it got me a job desu
>>108580590Honestly for small stuff Calc is okay, but you can't build anything big in it. If you need more use SQL lite.
>>108580590
Gnumeric mogs excel
>>108580590>>108580673>>108580690>>108580707>>108580719OnlyOffice, Gnumeric, and even LO Calc BTFO of Excel. Excel utterly mangles Unicode plaintext spreadsheets (e.g. CSV files). I have to work with hundreds of these every day in an environment where colleagues are permitted to use whatever spreadsheet application they feel most comfortable with, EXCEPT MS Excel, because it routinely fucks up CSV and TSV files, especially when they're relatively large.Basically you "people" are retarded niggers, don't work, and are probably still in high school. On the off chance that even one of you is an actual adult, you're undoubtedly a basic ass office bitch.
>>108586114I imagine it's fine if you're starting fresh, but probably doesn't import excel features well. I need to test it out.
>>108584767But they're not editable?Now that you mentioned it, would be cool to have .html template with just enough js embedded to make it editable and with a "save" button". I would create new file each time you save. But I've heard those bastard browser devs rolled out some features giving browser FS access.I know, it sounds really bad. But it's already in flames, so why care too much about security?
>>108582537how about Numbers? it worked pretty well for me when I was a student
>>108580590>using only google sheetswhat do you need microslop office for ?
>>108580590Works great for me. What are you missing here?
holy microjeet thread. is this the best you can do satya u scared little bastard? I can’t wait till Putin EMPs your data centers.
>>108580590I use Office 2007
>>108580590The hell do you need to use spreadsheets for?
>>108584536i tried onlyoffice and it seems pretty good compared to libre, at least for MSoffice compatibility
>needing any form of microslop office software for your workget a real job
>>108589971>needingehit's just robust enough that all alternatives suck in comparison
>>108580590considering office suite is integral to most business operations, if the US had any balls they would force microshart to provide linux compatibility on the grounds of anti-trust or national security.>>108589690i work in corporate accounting. the entire business world runs on excel spreadsheets.
>>108590116Oh man, you must see a lot of corruption.
>>108590176not really although there are rumors that senior directors and VPs on the "IT" side of the business are getting bribes for outsourcing working to infosys and other indian shithole companies
>>108580707>>108580719What problems have you guys had with Calc?It's been working pretty well for me. Runs a bit less sluggish than Excel too. I don't use either for stuff that's all that advanced right now, but I did in the past.
>>108587013>I have to work with hundreds of these every day in an environment where colleagues are permitted to use whatever spreadsheet application they feel most comfortable withSounds like you don't "work" in a place that actually makes money. Sorry but FOSS projects don't count.
jeet shill thread
>>108589932It seems to beat expectations for everyone that tries it. People talk about Valve, but it’ll be OnlyOffice/EuroOffice that becomes the real reason people can leave Windows.
This is what FOSStards cannot grasp.The world runs on Excel.There is no replacement for Excel.Calc is only good if all you do is some tiny basic spreadsheets.That's not what the corporate world uses Excel for and Calc fails miserably in that regard.That is not to mention the lack of commercial support, legal liability and lack of management features like Active Directory.Any FOSStard hyperfixating on how Valve will overthrone Windows exposes themselves and their lack of understanding of the world. And that's a scarily large amount of Linux users that cannot and will not comprehend why Linux failed to dominate Windows in the desktop area while Windows Server lost to Linux in the server world.
>>108590207Outside of art and entertainment, all the work that matters and makes money is done on Linux. Word docs and excel sheets are used by paper pushing parasites.
>>108591926Actually the world runs on Linux.All the AI servers are linuxAll the search engines are linux.All the supercomputers used to research your rectal cancer and AIDS treatment drugs are researched on linux. Fluid dynamics simulations for weather and aerospace, nuclear physics research, all linux.Windows only thrives on the space that shouldn't even exist and only does because of human folly and stupidity.
>>108591903i hope so, but it has a long way to go for feature parity
>>108591954Thanks for conforming you didn't read my post and sperged out at the moment you've read "FOSStards".Once (You) clean up after your clitty leak, read the very last sentence of that post at the very least and then re-think whether or not reiterating all this shit made any sense.
>>108580590LO is mediocre within its own ecosystem but it's ghastly when you have to interact with any other office suite. Calc is the most well known offender but Impress is the worst. FUCK YOU IMPRESS FUUUUUCK YOUUUUUU
>>108591926>The world runs on ExcelAnd it is not an island.
>>108591926okay but that has no relevance with what you do on your personal computer unless youre some jeet being paid to do spreadsheets at home on his own pc
>>108580590>open my web browser on linux>still access excel right in the browser problem?
>>108591972I read the whole thing before responding. I've managed Active Directory before and it's like I said: human folly. It's hilarious and sad how the big push in corporate world is passwordless auth. They have all this ridiculous bugridden bullshit to achieve pubkey auth.
>>108580590LibreOffice is fine for very basic work and account keeping. But for anything more than that, and for anything that involves compatibility with Excel/Word... It is entirely useless.
I've never needed to do anything in Excel that the web version can't do. The bean counters can't use it, but that's not my problem.
>>108592732You have to login and be online, that's the problem
>>108593132??? name one time in 2026 that has been an issue
>>108593132You need to log in to use the microsoft excel application too.>>108593209I don't want them to see my spreadsheet charting the circumference of anime girl anuses. Real answer: It's none of their business what spreadsheets or documents we use. It doesn't matter how mundane it is, it's not their problem.
>>108593259that's not... anon you're paranoid.
>>108592699>very basic work and account keepingI've started using hledger and fucking love it for bookeeping. It's like a whole new level of easy and semi automatic.
>>108581053Because finance Boomers are too lazy to learn a real programming language.Like seriously, R/Python/Jupyter are the real answer to their use case. Even MATLAB or Stata if they hate freedom.Excel is absolute trash for large datasets.Microjeet has made it bloated as fuck over the years, it's literally a VM running in a VM at this point.Meanwhile all the Boomers end up using SPAGHETTI FUCKING VBSCRIPT EVERYWHERE.It's a nightmare. And it will only get worse.The purpose of spreadsheets has always been only for smallish datasets to play with the data, which yes LibreOffice does just fine.
For me, it's grist
What is even the point of these anymore when shouting at a clanker with python will get the work done 10x faster and better
>>108593719Retard.>>108593584>finance Boomers are too lazy to learn a real programming language.Oh wow, hot take. Not every problem requires a new program, are you fucking retarded? >which yes LibreOffice does just fine.I get the impression you don't use spreadsheets very much, which makes your opinion here quite worthless. LibreOffice:Calc doesn't get any better just because some retard says it's fine.
>>108593334I have nothing to be paranoid about. I know exactly what my data is doing. The beauty of maintaining your own OS.
>>108589141When my work (where we used Macs for everything, because they're Linux that works) got bought out by a company that was crawling with about 90% non-job Windows frauds, I had to use Numbers for the one and only time in my life.>Hey, anon, I'm going to send you this important file and as part of our acquisition of your company, you will need to read it along with me over Microsoft Teams>Okay, I can do that, but it's an Excel file. Will it work on my computer?>Of course it will, sillyIt didn't and she literally didn't understand why "Excel was broken" on my Mac. She called multiple people over to look at it. Everyone blamed me, even though I had told her it wasn't Excel. So Numbers can fuck itself in my very humble opinion.
>>108593868>Not every problem requires a new programUsing R or Python/Pandas cannot be construed as "a new program" that's just insane and shows you haven't even tried alternative workflows.>I get the impression you don't use spreadsheets very muchI use spreadsheets plenty.Libreoffice literally works better than Excel for any non-retarded use case.The second you consider VBScript, the use case for Excel is over.
>>108580590serious people use sql and/or pandas
>>108594339Different usecase entirely. You idiots think everyone is trying to solve a big data problem with Excel. Serious people combine.
>>108594363people use excel for literally fucking everything, tech dweebs use more specialized tools
>>108594363>Different usecase entirelyname one thing excel can do better other than having shitty UI
>>108594396The concept of tables.
>>108594405huh? that's how database literally work you dumb fucking nigger
>>108584536My main problem with only office vs Microsoft office is there are some objects that don't have compatibility to paste from certain software. I can just take a screenshot but it's still an extra step that I didn't have to do before.
>>108594495As I expected, you have literally no idea what you're talking about. Instead you just chimpout.
>>108580590I just want hyperlinks.EVERY single Excel alternative fails miserably at this. I don't know why. It's such a basic feature.I just want to have easy, clickable links leading to a specific cell within the same sheet. Easy to create, easy to click.It's not nuclear science but they all FUCKING SUCK at it for some reason>n-no you can do it actually with this shitty excel cloneEither you can't or it's fucking obtuse or inconvenient or bugged or incomplete, to the point I'm STUCK with this godawful microsoft DIARRHEA of a program, FUCK
>>108594565>the concept of tables brogod you are fucking retarded lol
>>108594635Maybe in 10 years the feature will land in LibreOffice and then you can spend another 3-4 years trying to grasp the concept.
>>108594656i don't need spreadsheet software to create tables fucking retard
Imagine telling someone who wants to use Excel "just learn R"It's such a quintessential developer response
>>108594656Tables literally just work in LibreOffice thoughever.
>>108594819VBScript is extremely niggerlicious, yes just learn R don't learn VBScript.If you aren't relying on VBScript retardation, LibreOffice is in fact better than Excel.
>>108594821No, the tables in Excel allow you to work with named columns, and it's efficient instead of summing say B:B. >>108594788Oogabooga
>>108594896what can you do with excel tables that you can't do with pandas?
I often need or prefer Google sheets. LO for some reason has been slow and laggy even with small files. I assume it has something to do with it being open source
If you're in a serious environment with a full range of people from HR to data analysts, you want Excel
>>108595053The problem you have in this thread is that you're trying to explain Excel to people that do not understand what Spreadsheets are actually for, and they've never used them. You might as well be talking to the North Sentinelese islanders.
>>108594819>It's such a quintessential developer responseIt's the response of an idiot.
>>108595080You're using a tool that secretaries use to calculate things that a person with a few brain cells could do in seconds using a script.your sense of superiority in knowing this worthless shit is hilarious
>>108595128How does the script help you with the data entry portion? This is what anon means, you don't know what spreadsheets are used for in the first place. It's why you think Pandas can replace a spreadsheet.
>>108594908What are you doing in this thread?
>>108593209When using O365 or whatever the fuck remotely, the corporate VPN can and does cut out frequently. Every so often I hear horror stories about remote users corrupting their shit or losing access completely because of it.
>>108595080Excel is indispensable for some people but easily replaceable for others.The real value it has is being a rabbit hole of semi-obscure features that just doesn't have an analogue. Zoomies think it's a superfluous program because they don't know how deep that rabbit hole goes, which is understandable.
>>108595154>How does the script help you with the data entry portion?LAMO
>>108595207>because they don't know how deep that rabbit hole goes,Maybe that explains the nonsensical replies, but I think many are just linux cultists. They see Excel as something to rally against, without even knowing why. No sense in wasting anytime explaining it.
>>108591929Word and excel is used by literally everyone. Engineering, finances, medical etc.You know who uses the alternatives? Nobody.
>>108595237>without even knowing whyI mean, the fact that Microsoft has an iron grip on the entire normie-sphere of computing is worth rallying against.I can't even blame them for coping because MSO has been complete fucking dogshit for years. I'd even argue that Excel alone is the only part of it that's actually irreplaceable. Word is just miserable to use now and most people don't even use its less obvious features.
>>108595263Only/Euro office could ultimately be the way forward. I have no idea if LibreOffice Writer is any good because I never need it, but OO seems to replace the entire suite. France, Netherlands, Denmark are all looking to migrate away from MS products, so this could be viable.
>>108595305*viable for them
>>108587013None of those support LAMBDA functions. Until they do, Excel will reign king.
>>108595350Once EuroOffice fully liberates it, I'm sure that'll be added shortly thereafter. As good as OnlyOffice is, the team behind it won't accept any outside patches, and they're not moving quickly by themselves. LET/LAMBDA failed me on my attempted import too, so Excel can be king for another year. OO does support structured Table objects, which was a nice surprise.
>>108580590Wipe Bill's cum out of your face before talking to us, you pathetic M$ cuck.
>>108595263The main issue with Linux cultists is that they're so hyperfixated on the ideological side of things they fully expect the entire world to make their experience worse just so that they can stick it to Microsoft, and they are too stubborn to accept that there is no FOSS equivalent to many of Microsoft's products such as Excel, so they keep peddling inferior, half-baked alternatives like LibreOffice, thinking they're "just as good if not better because they're FOSS" as they never actually did any real work with Excel to know how useless LibreOffice Calc is as an Excel replacement.They will reject any attempt at explaining why they're wrong with ad hominems and be forever stuck in this endless cycle of being butthurt over no one treating desktop Linux seriously, refuse to deliver a better product than Microsoft, and still expect people to switch if they pester them enough. And then they'll turn around and say that the public opinion of Linux and it's users is formed by a "loud minority" and not the vast majority of which they're a part of.It's been like this ever since the 90's and will never change, unless some other corpo will do the work needed to scrap everything about desktop Linux, build a brand new OS around the kernel and do a better job than Microsoft.
>>108580690>unsuspecting naive peopleHave no use for excel. No one does.
>>108596644They already won. Microsoft runs on linux. All their cloud shit, azure, entra, office.Linux.
>>108597089And Android is Linux and it's more popular than Windows so why can't Linuxfags just shut the fuck up if they already won?Oh that's right, desktop x86 workstations run Windows in 95% of cases because Linux refuses to actually compete with Windows in any meaningful way in this area, so we gotta be a bunch of insufferable cunts instead of putting in work to offer a competing product.
>>108594896>No, the tables in Excel allow you to work with named columns, and it's efficient instead of summing say B:B.LibreOffice has this feature.
OnlyOffice is free and does exactly what I need it to. What is the value of excel exactly?
>>108580590Microsoft 365 office is free for home use and at work you get the full suite.https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-365/free-office-online-for-the-webThere is no need for other programs if you need full compatibility with microsoft.If you don't care about those things, use whatever you want and export the file to pdf if someone else needs to read it.
>>108597089Azure is powered by their own customized Windows Server OS. It’s all bespoke. Linux is just offered as a virtual host to any customer who wants it. In any event, no one is really surprised that Linux has been turned into a useful OS for servers, the point is that desktop linux isn’t a corporate focus, and hobbyware like LibreOffice Calc is a joke.
>>108598454The web version is not equivalent to the desktop product, but I’d agree that it’s better than Libre Office, for sure. >>108597470OpenOffice is not FOSS (yet), EuroOffice will be. What is the value of Excel “exactly”? Well that’s easy to answer from Microsoft’s public income statements, and it’s just shy of $100 billion /yr in revenue.
>>108595350>a streetshitter feature that came out in 2024 is the reason excel is king
>>108595251Outside of some fraction of finance people, nobody uses it as part of their profession. They don't get core work done with it, it's always for incidental BS. They use MS Office because that's what they've always used for the incidental BS. The vast majority would be fine with Libreoffice if that's all that was available and they had a chance to get comfortable with it.>EngineeringAny data-driven Engineering pipeline of significant size and importance will not use excel. Data will be stored in a more efficient, secure format. Or else it will be more generic (.csv) or more specialized (custom data format). Real software will process the data and produce specific customized results. Excel is only for screwing around with minor things-- random calculations, ad hoc project management, that sort of thing. And even then, these days, Jupyter Notebooks and webshit is cutting into use of spreadsheets for sketching.>MedicalDoctors don't use spreadsheets they use their hands, eyes/ears/etc. Putting any kind of patient data into a spreadsheet is a HIPAA violation begging to happen.There's still proprietary GUI-based medical software written for windows, for stuff like X-Ray imaging. But that's not remotely connected to Excel or Word. (And high-volume image analysis is done on Linux)
>>108599020Das rite.
>>108599439>Jupyter NotebooksThis is either an LLM or someone that doesn’t know what they’re talking about. Also I work with engineers, they use Excel… A LOT.
>>108597082>Have no use for excel. No one does.What’s your preferred spreadsheet program?
>>108593993kek
>>108582966whats the pay?
Ah yes, linux. Free enough to run the servers of any major corporation that exists, yet too free to be usable. Anyway I'm off to recompile my kernel because the audio doesn't work.
>>108598454The web version are kinda bad in comparison to the desktop ones. You can buy a perpetual licence btw, no subscription bs which is kinda surprising coming from Microsoft.
>>108592098THIS RIGHT HERE!! Much of its value comes from the fact that it's integrated into an ecosystem of related software.CELLS WITHIN CELLSINTERLINKED!
>>108596644>they are too stubborn to accept that there is no FOSS equivalent to many of Microsoft's products such as ExcelYou're not looking at this the right way: there isn't even a commercial alternative to Excel. They're coping because there's literally nothing they can do about it. Trying to compete with Microsoft was already futile in the 90s, now it's even harder in the "lol what even are antitrust laws" era.Personally I'm grateful I don't need Excel anymore, it does everything but it does very few things well.
>>108600540It's the second-best tool for a lot of tasks.
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>>108599439The bigger problem with Linux for Engineering is AutoCAD, for which indeed Linux alternatives are not viable yet.Linux will take over eventually, people will literally put up with GIMP because Adobe is completely fucked now.If Audodesk were smart they would port their code now to capture the market instead of letting LibreCAD/FreeCAD catch up to a usable state.
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>>108600540This whole thread you've been shilling Excel but fail to even define what features LibreOffice is missing.Yes there are some Finance shops that are vendorlocked into Excel specific features.For them, Excel can only be construed as Technical Debt and nothing more. Nobody is going to save you from the Technical Debt except yourself.That doesn't mean other spreadsheet software is not commercially viable. It just means if you switch you will need to adjust your workflow. If you don't switch you will get milked by Microsoft. That's it.
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>>108588203> editable?What is seamonkey?What was frontpage?
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>>108601393I ran autocad on DOS. You could probably run it under wine nowadays.>linuxMost real cad originally ran on unix. E.g. MicroStation
>>108601603almost all newer software runs like ass in wine and that includes cad applications. games are the only exception because of proton
>>108601442I’m happy with the performance from those Microsoft programs, so it’s not “technical debt”. For you, it’s an ideological war because you’ve made software advocacy your personality.
>>108601719Negative. My issue with Excel has always been the fact that Finance Boomers literally do everything in Excel and the *performance* IS THE ISSUE. It takes 5 minutes to load their spreadsheets, with Excel, on Windows. It's a bloated mess.
>>108601748Excel (Office) generates 100 billion a year, if you’ve got a better solution, there’s an opportunity for you.
>>108601616> all newer softwareThat’s part of the problem. I don’t use or need any features from what exists in autocad 10 or 11. Neither do you.Most people don’t use most of the features already in Word 2.0…. nay… Write.exe
>>108580791>a bad workman blames his toolsactually, a bad workman uses the wrong tool for the job, and then he blames whoever designed the thing he just broke.
>>108601719>I’m happy with the performance from those Microsoft programsThen you don't do real work lmao. I use 365 for work and I do not know a single person who thinks MS Office hasn't become slow garbage.
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>>108602321It’s not slow at all, has multithreaded computation and is ridiculously fast compared to any competing product. It’s win32/gdi, so no slow framework bloat either (the “home” screen might be webview). They don’t fuck around with Excel.
>>108602461>It’s win32/gdiThis hasn't been the case in years, Office uses tons of obscure "modern" Windows API features, some of which literally only exist for Office. This is the reason getting Office to work in Wine is effectively impossible. The whole thing is a barely maintainable and buggy clusterfuck.
>>108602487>The whole thing is a barely maintainable and buggy clusterfuck.You have no idea what the code base looks like, or how it’s maintained. You just string together tokens like a non-sentient automaton.Perhaps just stop using excel if you feel this way, but wasting your life on a an anti-Microsoft Jihad is really retarded.
>>108580791Yeah, I use libre's stuff.Its basically the same as MS office programs except you don't have to deal with the gayass license.
Why not use superior Russian software, it’s good, no?https://r7-office.ru/business/products/redaktor-tablits.htmlProbably the true origin of OnlyOffice, which Euro nations can only steal with their fork.
>>108580590Im' not an accountant. I don't use any spreadsheets whatsoever.
>>108599712And I work with engineers who don't use excel much at all.Again: spreadsheets are subpar for most applications. Most of the time, anything you want to do in a spreadsheet would be far better done in something else. They are very good for certain kinds of tasks, and the OVERWHELMING majority of those tasks don't need features newer than Excel 2000 and if people prefer modern Excel over LibreOffice it's because that's just the first one they used. The biggest ""innovation"" in spreadsheets in the last 10 years are the shared documents where you can watch your co-workers making careless mistakes in real time.>>108601393Exactly.>>108602991(then) gf once came to me once with a crisis, her business was basically making ppt documents and PDFs for clients. The MS office installation on her Mac was all fucked up. There was some problem with the license, or there were multiple conflicting versions or somethings. I don't remember the details other than nothing would run properly, and being a Mac, troubleshooting it was a nightmare. She was in a hurry, so I suggested just trying LibreOffice, which worked immediately after just a few minutes getting oriented. She ultimately went back to MS Office once the bullshit got sorted out and we got her Mac to stop being retarded (better to be able to see exactly what the clients are going to see). But she told me that LibreOffice had been a life-saver.
>>108580744>web basedand in the trash it goes.
>>108580590Why do you need excel? I haven't used it in many years myself. If you need to analyze datasets, why not use python? Also can't you use excel via browser?
>>108605505>I haven't used it in many years myself.Is this supposed to be a convincing argument to anyone? It sounds to me that you're rather unqualified to voice an opinion.
>>108591926>Calc fails miserably in that regard.How so? I used it at my old job, as did everyone else. Worked pretty well.
Sounds like you guys are all just brand-warring rather than actually making any technical points, again. Over office software.
>>108580755Yeah without the speed or stability
>>108605702It's not possible to have a technical discussion with a freetard when talking about proprietary software. Whatever advantage the proprietary product has, they proudly proclaim they don't need it. Half the people here don't even know what a spreadsheet can be used for, they're just compelled to respond because 'muh microsoft baaad'. Filth.
>>108605737I hate Excel because I don't technically need it for anything I do, yet I end up getting dragged into it because on occasion some boomer fuckwit at my company will make it my problem.NEETs don't understand what Excel is used for because they have autism, and therefore assume the world runs on logic. Retards will use Excel for LITERALLY FUCKING EVERYTHING, no matter how inefficient or plainly stupid it is.
>>108605737You are on the Microsoft side of the brand war. What do you like about Excel over LibreOffice? That doesn't seem to be something that is actually being discussed in this thread.I have used both for work, in a mathematics job that revolved around their use. Both seemed fine to me. LibreOffice a bit snappier, Excel a bit more polished in terms of UI. I have a Windows computer and a Linux computer at the moment. Happy with them both.
>>108580590who the fuck needs advanced excel functions on their home PC?what a terrible fucking larp. kys and come back with a better one
>>108605838>Is there someone you forgot to ask?No one needs you to police their choices. Am I just supposed to use shoddy software because I’m at home? I have a circuit simulation program at home that costs more than your car lol. >>108605815Libre doesn’t have Tables, Let, Lambda, Reduce, etc. Haven’t looked at their Pivot Tables, but I’d be surprised if they pulled that off as cleanly. Really it’s tons and tons of little things too, which you just notice when they're gone. Collaboration is obviously a lot easier with 365, which certainly beats emailing files with version numbers BOBS-CHANGES-2.xlxs>>108605785>some boomer fuckwitMuh boooomer. He used that because it was the best tool for the job.
>>108605990>Muh boooomer. He used that because it was the best tool for the job.I can very easily tell that you have no idea what you're talking about and that your only investment in this discussion is trying to epically own the heckin unwholesome freetarderinos.You don't know what pain is like until you have to explain to the same boomer for the 10th time that our shit doesn't work with Microsoft Access.
>>108580590Don't use either lol
>>108605838>kys>then come back with a better larpThe cycle of samsara.
