can't upload to catbox now because AI FAGGOTS have to ruin everything their faggot claws touch
I am so glad AI is destroying the internet. This is long overdue.
>>108600538luddites lost yet again
>>108600538Those scabs don't give back to the infrastructure at all, either. Fuck 'em
We can solve AI bots AND foreigners shitting up our services, by requiring digital id. But you're not ready for that conversation.
>>108600566shalom
>>108600577Nah nigga, i disavow the Talmud and all jewry.
>Error: Our system thinks your post is spam. Please reformat and try again.Hilarious. I have to upload my post too. HORSE FUCKERS to the rescue:https://u.pone.rs/zvtqlslh.txt
>>108600566Might as well have IDSure it will kill anonymous but if it prevents AI bots from killing the internet the digital ID is a necessary evil we're all going to have to live with
>>108600591I checked the talmud and you're allowed to lie to me, so eh.>>108600610How's a proxy going to fix that?
>>108600538tell him to block uploads from india israel and amazon aws problem fucking solved
>>108600538Butlerian Jihad now!
>>108600639you have to be really fuckin retarded to think that's how it would play out
>>108600566If I can anonymously verify generic information about myself and there are guarantees that it won't morph into some surveillance state tool, then I would begin to consider it.
I posit a solution.
>>108600538Ok, now I'm mad.
>>108600864We need some sort of ZKP (Zero Knowledge Proof) but i'm sure whatever the government choose will be cheap as hit and rife with security holes.
>>108600538What the fuck are "agentic AI workflows" doing with catbox anyway, the fuckIs this retards with OpenClaw uploading all their pictures to catbox or some shit or what
>>108600893Won't help. They have colonized the planet. Need to nuke everything and start over.
>workflowsThis isn;t some random guy generating some picture , song, clip etc...and having it hosted there to show to anons online. This is an at scale botting faggotry that would be there regardless if it was "AI" or not; that's what needs to be solved - people using the site in a shitty way no matter if its a corpo, a bot, or a corpo's bot.
>>108600566>we can solve the problem of slop and foreigners by acquiescing to the government that funds slop and imports foreignersretard
>>108600566>implying there won't be massive databases of digital IDs online within weeks of systems going live.That won't stop shit when banggoat shartsucker can just use any ID they want and there is nothing your system can do to stop it.
>>108600954Stop noticing things.
>>108600940catbox has been around for a long time and I think the admin is in a position to know the nature of the problem.anyway catbox is unreliable and having automated workflows depend on it is stupid, but that is all these vibe coders can do, since they are too retarded to host their own server (which AI cannot setup for them).
>>108600995I agree, that's why he's not screeching about general AI usage like some brain damaged furry porn patreon tard on xitter/bluesky, but rather workflows flooding the platform with gigabytes of junk data that don't belong there. That's the problem we need to solve for those who have somehow automated it into these workflows for some reason. You'd think anything it would be able to set up or host there could be literally done anywhere else equally as easily and some major platforms - Amazon and MS/Azure/Github , plus so many others. I don't knoe what sort of workflow is just dumping gigabytes of random shit onto catbox of all things, but its not 99% of local AI obviously (ie someone running comfyui / stablediffusion / ollama / sillytavern whatever the fuck isn't doing this) so who's exactly doing what and what if any APIs is it connected to?
Upload videos and images with your public IP, got. We know who and where you are.
>>108600940>this isn't X, it's Y
>>108600538Lmaooooo use gofile or something, like, better yet self host something only you can upload and use cloudflared so anyone can see links you share with no risk to you.
>>108601069>The clanker Ouija board absorbed a human writing trick due to being trained on human data
>>108600538Holy skill issue
>>108600639Hint: it won’t prevent that
>>108600560The answer is cryptominers but nobody wants to admit it.
>>108601308With proof of work it could be free as in freedom but of course everyone wants free as in beer and their vaccinated asses will welcome the digital IDs.
>>108600538put the egyptian anime girl on the front of catbox
>>108600538that's the stupidest fucking use for catbox.
>>108600553>>108600555slopGODs won
>>108600538Glad I have an alternative
>>108601489It wouldn't even cost a human user very much at all, they are already running Cloudflare or Anubis challenges due to this AI shit.Meanwhile the LLM would be forced to run it a ton of times, their expense.As long as you "price" the PoW such that it is above your breakeven server costs, you can literally just ignore the AIfags who are paying you free money.
>>108600538NOT THE HECKIN GIGABYTERINOSSAVE ME STORAGEMAN
>>108600591But you're promoting digital ID, which is jewry. So you're lying
>>108600538
>>108601592I agree but I cynically think this just a polite way of saying "glowies don't want this to exist anymore". Therefore the real cost to human users is taking the time to realise there are solutions other than digital IDs and asking for them but that won't happen for the same reason vaccines were able to get emergency approval, "no alternatives".
How much does a gigabyte even cost? Ten dollars?
>>108600566better idea
>>108601916centshttps://www.amazon.com/dp/B0D3432GQ6
>>108600538it says that but it still works for me
what AI is causing this? People sharing shit on diffusion generals is like 4mb of data not what would cause this, how are people using catbox in an AI workflow lol
>>108601980 (me)nvm
>>108600538sloptards will kill any public service
>>108601988its not "what ai"its "what people".its likely third worlders abusing upload services across the board. all free hosting sites are targetted by the various people who are upto no good and think they're being clever with the hosting's use of free uploads
>>108600566>we can solve these problems that we manufactured ourselves and forced on you against your will if you just let us implement digital ID you stupid fucking goyimHow about you fuck off?
IN THE CURRENT, DIGITIZED WORLD, TRIVIAL INFORMATION IS ACCUMULATING EVERY SECOND, PRESERVED IN ALL ITS TRITENESS. NEVER FADING, ALWAYS ACCESSIBLE. RUMORS ABOUT PETTY ISSUES, MISINTERPRETATIONS, SLANDER. ALL THIS JUNK DATA PRESERVED IN AN UNFILTERED STATE, GROWING AT AN ALARMING RATE. IT WILL ONLY SLOW DOWN SOCIAL PROGRESS, REDUCE THE RATE OF EVOLUTION.
This guy did a cool thing and all I saw on X and reddit was AI bros saying they are going to use it for their datasets to generate concerts and other live performances This is what the internet is now
"AI" turns out to be actually indians once again
>>108602014you are the one who has been outrage baited into some anti-ai schizo hole it seems as no one would get any use of this for AI training
Only hundreds of gigs? Definitely not AIslop since that would be in the TBs. >>108602014>Live concertsnothing more useless within /mu/land
troonbox
>>108600538Start banning IPs. Publish the ban list so others can ban them. Crowdsource doxing of those IPs.Notify people as to exactly who and where the activity is coming from so I can "write my congressman"
>>108602051>Dear Congressman>You are never getting your money back from Sam Altman>Sincerely>Nancy Pelosi
>>108602016marsey...
>>108600538>oh my leecherino, this site I never contribute even a cent to isn't letting me use it for free today
>>108602146My heckin' niggerino is stealing from Wal-Mart again, must be the white man's fault.
>>108600538Aren't most bots on Cloud due to raw processing power required?Why not just ban all Datacenter ASNs?>Ban Israel, Amazon, Google, Microsoft and othe 3rd party datacenter IPs>1000s of TB of bandwidth saved
>>108602149liberals keep going on about "dem programs" but my taxes have been paying the police department for years. why would i need moar of dem programs?
>>108602161let's just ban everyone on the internet. ID verification is a good way to do it. we'll blackout the whole internet, and when the user goes to verify their identify, we'll just say "sorry, you're a faggot" and not let them in. we'll do this for every single person. just have 'em go through a humiliation ritual and call them a cocksucker for even thinking of complying. that'll solve it. and once we do that, the internet will be nothing but AIs trying to sell each other NordVPN or some other bullshit. an extremely based future. that way, we'll all have to go outside and say the n-word in person. like the good old days.
>>108602172>ID verification Stopped reading there. What a retard.Anyone can just borrow an ID and I don't want my ID on the web.Just ban Pajeets while at it and half of traffic is gone.Or better just allow North American Residential IPs
>>108602162american cops are too retarded to rely on
>>108600566nice dubs rabbi
>>108602182hey nigger, if you read my fucking post you'd be sucking my mighty hard dick from what a fucking genius i am. you'd be drinking my cum like a fine wine. you'd jack me off into a wine glass, swirl my cum around in it, and give it a hearty smell before guzzling it down like the cum guzzling fag you are. yes sir, you are one saucy little faggot and your pussy craves my rock hard cock.
>>108602182>>108602172Sorry anon. Decided to read your post.Was a knee jerk reaction.Maybe we should just shut down the Internet
>>108602188Yeah I'm a cock sucker.Sorry anon
>>108602189SHUT IT DOWN
>>108602199Oy vey
>>108602198i love you
>>108600639Kill yourself kikeasaurus.
>>108601308I agree.
>>108600538AI is superior therefore based
>>108593725>>108601918
>>108600538>>108600566AI fags are going to be the reason we get digital id and they're also gonna be the biggest crybabies when it happens. At least I'll be able to take solace in that while my face is getting scanned.
>>108600538Unironically a CAPTCHA would solve this problem. I sincerely doubt that these agents are programmed to solve them.I hope that he doesn't use shit like reCaptcha and uses something like altcha instead.
>>108600538Catbox has been an unreliable piece of shit for years now. Random unexplainable downtimes, failures to upload, failures to open files, saving deduplication hashes for files that are gone from the server so it's impossible to re-upload the exact same file and so on.One of the worst file hosts that only got popular because file hosts where you can hotlink to the file instead of a generic download page are few and far in-between.
>>108600591And yet you're promoting it. CURIOUS!You're very smart!
So it seems the reason is not AI gens and stuff like some people said, basically using catbox as a pseudo cloud server for their entire library and automated processes and avoid renting/making a server, dunno how long stuff stays up on catbox but maybe if they limited the amount of times a file can be accessed pero hour it could work? dunno
does catbox ban india (and its adjacent) plus israel first and foremost?
>>108602635Please don't, I need to use sharex to upload
>>108600538Yea you're right, the filthy Google indian swarmoids using hundreds of thousands of dollars on AI tokens are disgusting parasites. They ruined every platform. AI content is estimated to be 50x -70x more prevalent than human content on the mainstream platforms.
Imagine ruining freenet software like a fucking vermin runt. Some parasites belong in the eternal inferno.
>>108602763I believe they should, and maybe ban indian VPNs as well,Like seriously at what point did the problem became these 2 and not Russia which was the bane of the old internet kek
We should just segregate India from the rest of the internetForce them into their own isolated intra-india-net and save the rest of the world from having to suffer jeets
>>108601742It's an infinite money glitch for any website that's getting spammed by AI requests.I don't see how glowies are supposed to stop capitalism.You literally can get some of that bubble moolah with cryptominers.
woa a /g/ thread finally got made>>108600940>>108600995>>108601043these anons are like, 95% correct. the primary reason for (temporarily) disabling anonymous uploads is because for the last 5 months Catbox has been getting ass blasted with uploads from datacenter IP addresses and public proxies. I know it's AI workflows/chatbots that retarded clanker fetishists use because I've had, in the last 30 days, at least 40 people ask me to remove "personal information" that whatever their AI bullshit is uploaded to Catbox. It got so bad I put a note on the Contact page, and guess what, I've already made like $120 from idiots letting their AI have free reign to send shit. Unfortunately that $120 doesn't outpace the other hundreds of GB of junk data that gets uploaded. I literally had someone show me how Claude decided to use Catbox as an intermediary for sending files to reverse image search endpoints. Shit like that burns me so bad.
>>108600566kys mosad fake jew
>>108600893>suffocating the planet by vapoorising the subcontinent into a global scatosphere.
>>108600639The only thing that is able to "kill the Internet" would be any type of government interference, e.g. through (government) ID requirements.The thing is: The powers that must not be questioned have deemed the Internet a danger to themselves and theirdemocracy."Freedom of speech" was meant for the wise leaders (in possession of printing presses), that have gone through rigorous training, so they don't plant wrong ideas in the people's heads.Now that everyone has a device way more powerful than a printing press in his possession, that is a danger to them.
>>108601988Claude and other vibe coding tools that have unrestricted system access.>>108602051I have filters at the firewall level that are blocking probably 7,500~ IP addresses that were caught scraping/mass uploading, which is unfortunately a drop in the bucket of public IPv4 space. I also use various public blocklists.>>108602161This is what I will probably have to do.>>108602642Stay mad at a public service that hasn't made money in the 11 years it's been running.I'm not even the only one complaining. Look at 0x0, or pomf.lain.la shutting down. The latter of which I'm sure has exacerbated the problem on my service since there's no other "simple file service". The hard drives I used to purchase myself back in October have increased in price by over $200. It's simply unsustainable for me to allow rampant usage like that. Catbox already stores over 200 TB of data.Anyway happy 11th birthday to Catbox. Here's my amazing pic of Yukari while I wait for my artist to send the real one
Make an account
>>108600566Online forums and social media would be instantly improved if every post and comment was mandatorily labeled by biological sex, age and birth country, through government-verified digital ID at the time of post/edit.How come nobody has considered the ramifications of the fact that we have been on gender-neutral internet for the past 20 years?Of course, it should be done in an untrackable way, and the age could be randomly scrambled by +-1 year to prevent tracking.t. 29 male, Finland.
>>108602995you banned most VPNs and TOR entirely not only from uploading but from downloading files? why is that? people have to use fatbox to get files now
>>10860311290% of tor traffic for a file host is pedophiles. pedophiles ruin everything, and the more I can shit on their day the better my life becomes. This is an uncomfortable truth. Now that I have to modify the upload script that I haven't touched in probably 7 years to block datacenter/proxy IPs, I'll MAYBE move the block from the firewall to just uploading.
>>108600566Oh yeah the same sorts that break all those laws anyway and if you dare mention it you're called a racist.Fuck off retard.
>>108600639Why do people even assume this would kill bots?Or that there wont be counterfeit or fake IDs bots from breaches and stolen data?if anything it would make it much worse since now bots have fake identities that can actually get you in trouble, and dont expect the gov or companies to be competent about it
>>108603131Have you considered adding proof-of-work as well?
>>108603131banning datacenter ips from uploading is understandable but why the fuck would you block them from viewing filesand no, it's not a 7 year old policy, you started doing this retarded shit just recently because most of my vpns suddenly cant view files anymore
>>108603140Digital ID would have an authentication procedure for every use or that at least expires fairly quickly, with verification coming from that country's servers.If a shithole gets a reputation of selling fake authentications for malicious use, you can just ban them until they behave. It's not like they can fake trusted countries' authentications assuming they are half competent.
>>108603152>most of my vpns suddenly cant view files anymorenta, obviosuly, but at least for Mullvad they actually blacklisted catbox, as malware prone site, had to change my DNS settings with it to be able to use it again[spoiler]as for my vpn,proton, it works depending on the server and sometimes just loads fine and sometimes doesnt[/spoiler]
>>108602995Show us what they were uploading.
>>108603152because he's a massive retard
>>108603078This, so much this, people being able to be fully anonymous is absolute garbage, everyone needs to be ID identified for the greater good.All of the laws starting to force age and ID verification are a good thing, people here are just contrarians.
>>108603144Maybe - I've been theorizing ways to allow API access while also restricting malicious/incompetent use, but I don't really have a good plan yet (hence stopping anon uploads).>>108603152Because those 7,500 IPs I mentioned were functionally concurrent, blasting Catbox trying to fish for files. Do you know what thousands of endpoints assaulting your web server for non-existant files at the max rate possible does? It degrades performance for legitimate users. I swear to you I haven't changed the firewall level blocks since September last year. Again maybe now that I have to change the API I will change it from blocking all traffic to blocking just uploads, but that's tbd.
>>108603078>birth countrybut this is meaningless due to western migration policy
>>108603159every single person who posts like a jeet has an American flag
>>108600566this. digital ID can be made anonymous, and sovereign wrt hardware. by checking out of the conversation entirely we ensure that only governments and fagman get the full say in the process.whatever, I don't care. a widespread reputation system would be a net benefit to the web as it stands today.
>>108600553Why are you here?
>>108600566
>>108600940>>108600538Literally just geoblock India and Israel.That way you solve both the AI spam and CP uploads.
>>108600538The problem is that spam is free. Try enabling anonymous micropayments with crypto and stablecoins when that comes around. That's what new web payment protocols like X402 are for. It can be tuned to cost cents for humans but a fortune for spammers.>https://www.x402.org/X402 is marketed as a payment protocol for AI agents, but it's technically a general purpose internet payment protocol. At a few cents per API call and scaling appropriately with usage, it'll be more than affordable while still serving as a business model, AND it'll be a spam filter, and when X Money comes around, crypto and stablecoins might be readily available for public use for people, too. There's no need for introducing digital ID just to prevent spam, in fact it's a retarded idea. Spread the word.>>108600566>digital id. But you're not ready for that conversation.lol fuck you, bitch. That discussion has been had for DECADES, and the idea of digital ID is almost always coupled with dystopia. The consensus is that as far as wisdom goes, centrally tokenizing human beings is a goddamn fucking hellbound idea. An alternative, more sane solution is incentive alignment with anonymous micropayments, because that wouldn't centralize power to the very governments who have historically lied to its own people. And to drive home the point that AI agents are merely being used by them as an excuse to propagate and sell the idea of digital ID, consider that (((they))) tried to PREVENT national ID requirements, digital or otherwise, for something as essential as voting where sybil resistance matters. Yet the same governments want to enable it just to mitigate some spam? LOL. Shove digital ID and your unimaginative, unaccomplished brain up your ass.
>>108602938>$120 doesn't outpace a few hundred GBHuh
>>108600566Isolating NA and Europe from the rest of the world's internet would already solve a lot of problems. The internet was a better place before Indian got connected.
>>108603463based
I hate AIjeets soo fucking much bros
>>108603374He's in good company. Just because many of us fancied technology growing up doesn't mean we still love whatever the fuck it is now.
>>108600921EU is doing this with their digital identity wallet
Run it down. All the way. The whole internet.
>>108602849>I don't see how glowies are supposed to stop capitalism.Glowies jobs are to stop freedom and encourage top-down control and censorship, so they work against any freedom-preserving option. And they don't want any random anon getting successful without pledging loyalty.>>108601592>As long as you "price" the PoW such that it is above your breakeven server costsThe problem is that tools to automatically upload pictures, like shareX or comfyui does not have a full JS runtime to do the PoW. Also it takes too long to mine anything of value for most users.>>108603211>I've been theorizing ways to allow API access while also restricting malicious/incompetent use, but I don't really have a good plan yet (hence stopping anon uploads).Yeah not much you can do other than rate limiting. Per-IP rate limiting (with the data 100% in ram for speed)?
>>108603437>Try enabling anonymous micropayments with crypto and stablecoins when that comes aroundThis is probably the long-term solution. There's no such thing as a free lunch.
>>108603809>The problem is that tools to automatically upload pictures, like shareX or comfyui does not have a full JS runtime to do the PoWThe POW should be a webassembly service and in theory the tools you mentioned can run the same POW code natively.
>>108600566Fuck off, rabbi.
>>108600538Of course it's AIjeets shitting it up, every single fucking time.
>>108603704If they can actually get it to work in a way that's>truly zero-knowledge>this means also without trackable identifiers on the verifying party's side (i.e. no way to correlate or track your "token" or whatever)>FOSS>does not rely on botnet services or cloud (ZKP has no good reason not to be entirely local)I think it'd be alright. The government already has ID facilities in terms of like my passport and stuff, if I also have to apply to get a digital ID token issued which can then be used untraceably then it's not particularly dystopian. Even my passport is not zero-knowledge when I want to travel.That said it feels like a good scheme like this would be too susceptible to just cloning/copying the ZKP witness token and giving it away to others. If it's properly untrackable then proofs generated with it can't be traced back to you, so maybe I'm missing something but it feels like there's no way to protect against someone providing "age proofs as a service" where either they provide witness data and people can reuse it wholesale, or they provide a service where people can request a proof and the person proves it with their own data and then anyone can use that proof.I'm not a ZKP expert though so maybe that can somehow be protected against? I dunno.Otherwise they might have to do something like make physical smartcards that have secure enclave chips, kinda like chip and pin bank cards. But even that will probably just make it secure against honest users while dedicated fraudsters would invest in the equipment to extract the secrets from the secure chip. Useless on a bank card because it'd just allow others to spend your money, but for ID cards that let you untraceably create proofs if you can extract the secret it'd actually make sense to do.And of course I have low faith that anything like that will actually see wide adoption, rather than just having google scan your passport or something.
>>108602995How come random files get nuked all the time nowadays? Even shit I uploaded myself are just gone like a week later.
>>108603704What I'm worried about with this is whether it's FOSS-compatible or not. Is it possible to be sure that the proof is legit if the ZKP lib can be tampered with ? If a digital signature has to be enforced for the algorithm to be trustworthy then it becomes a threat to software freedom. I could tolerate it if the builds are at least fully reproducible, but we shouldn't let unmodifiable software proliferate even if it ticks all other criteria for FOSS.I don't know the math behind ZKP outside of the trivial examples they use to introduce it.
>>108603211From which country do most malicious IPs come from?
>>108602995If youre john catbox, i have a problem with some uploaded files in my account being blank files that i cant delete and if i try to upload them again they become blank again, its really annoying for my 4chan drawfagging
>>108602146Ironically I actually tried subscribing to their store thingy but it never activated the increased upload size limits on my account, so after a few months I dropped it.
>>108600566we should also require every couple to have a blvck bvll
>>108604189very Indo-American post
>>108604189bluck?
>>108600566Digital id authenticating over a black box central server? Theres no guarantee in userspace bots arnt let in the back.The true solution here is hashcatbox, that mimics hashchans posture in serving self ipfs pins or referencing hotlinks onchain
>>108600566Die kike
>making my conlang>randomly get hit with Hindi words>I have never once referenced anything jeetYou should hear about that time when I was on Claude and I was coming up with two different words for 'monopoly' and Claude busted into a two paragraph monologue on the evils of the East India Company.
>>108604068It's all open source and fully FOSS compatible as far as i knowhttps://github.com/eu-digital-identity-wallet
>>108600538block india and israel, problem solved
>>108603861>The POW should be a webassembly serviceYeah sure.>in theory the tools you mentioned can run the same POW code natively.Of course in theory. The question is if they want to add and maintain what is basically a browser. That's a lot more complex than just sending a few http requests
>>108600538it's ok, I'll vibecode my own automatic uploader that mimics your front-end
>>108604258blvll
>>108603809>Also it takes too long to mine anything of value for most users.This is incorrect for a few reasons:>coins exist with short mine times>you don't actually have to have every client mine a coin to give you, you can pool clientsThat second point is the key to the whole thing.The cost to serve a single request is very small. So you want to *pool* to get economies of scale.Because AI is a DDoS attack of scale, it also serves as a very good distributed mining pool if repurposed.At the end of the day, PoW is just a trade of resources. You are covering the site's cost to serve your request.
>>108600538it's actually hilarious when you ask agentic ai to make a filehosting website it just makes a monetized frontend and then on the backend hosts the files people upload on sites like catbox or telegram for free. literally hundreds of these sites that indians are shitting out to earn a few buckets of rice that are just leeches on every single free file host or resource available on the internet. the various cors proxies and archive websites all have the same issue. pretty much anything that can be used and abused.
>>108604436forgot that sometimes they also use gofile and then there was the one linked here that even was uploading files to github to store them for free.
I don't get it, what are agentic AI's even uploading there? I never once had a agent ask to upload shit, in fact most of the time it doesn't even do web search for me unless I specifically ask
>>108604402>The question is if they want to add and maintain what is basically a browserI'm saying they do not need a JS runtime to support the POW if that POW is made for WebAssembly. I'm not sure what's out there right now but it is possible - A POW written in C would be usable in many projects.
I've never implemented such a POW myself but I'm using a similar system for password authentication, offloading the expensive hashing to the client. It barely adds any complexity to programs - in theory of course.
>>108600566>by requiring digital idTHIS IS THE CORRECT ANSER, BUT YOU APPLIED IN THE WRONG WAYForce AI to identify themselves with a digital ID specific to their AI.That's not what you meant, but that is the ONLY true answer to the problem.Punish all AI who refuse to have a digital ID. And by punish the AI what I really mean is punish the person who's legally responsible for said AI. These things need to be accountable to some human being if society is to continue to function, otherwise they'll do all shorts of illegal and immoral bullshit and the creators will just shrug and say I "oops, It's not my fault the AI made a mistake" like when Trump did a war crime by destroying a girls school that an AI misidentified as a war target. Imagine that, except instead of war crimes it is misdemeanor, and all happening several thousand times a day faster than any human police force could hope to keep up with. If they have digital ID's then when shit hits the fan you can just filter all AI traffic by their ID.Put a fucking leash on these god damned abominations before it's too late.
>>108604492Hmm true, I thought there was basically no WASM runtime without JS since JS is needed to use it in a browser. But I found one, WAVM. But then the host needs to support this instead of giving the standard browser payload.I'm just saying it'll be hard to get various tools to support a standard.>>108604520That's cool.
>>108603832What he'll want to do is setup a Monero mining pool that people can mine towards. That avoids transaction fees for micro payments and means people don't have to find a way to buy the coins, which can be a big hurdle. For reference my 3900x hashrate is worth ~$0.40 per day currently with the miner setup pretty well. Setting up the miner will be an issue for brainlets though until someone makes it easier.
>>108604582>But then the host needs to support thisYes it's all contingent on those programs supporting it. Ideally they would link to the POW library and call it directly. It's both important and straightforward so I expect this will become a standard.
>>108604553But if you assume a regular isn't AI and so doesn't need ID, what stops AI from just acting like a regular user to bypass ID checks? (For retarded definitions of regular, obviously someone effectively DDOSing you isn't going to look like someone who uploads 1 4mb mp3 every two weeks.)I don't think AI are submitting HTTP requests with "btw me AI plz gib saarbice :DDDDD" metadata
>>108600553What did *I* do to deserve this? How did I make everything worse by my use of the Internet?
>>108604601The cost should be based on a benchmark of a minimum supported device - eg. 10 seconds of mining on an i5-6200U. IDK how much that offsets the cost but it could work.
>>108603704>>108604381i love that brexit happened and as a result govt here just went>sure a few silicon valley firms can scan the faces of everyone in the country and can keep that data foreverinstead of even trying to zkp method
>>108600566We can solve a lot more problems by killing retards like you.
>>108604624I would base it off server costs first and let the difficulty land wherever it does. That could even mean an inefficient browser miner taking many minutes. Even that's not going to kill anyone if they really want to get their file hosted.
AI truly has been nothing but a cancer on the world, kind of crazy how quickly it turned to complete shit used by scammers and glorified scrapers.
>>108604681>We can solve a lot more problems by killing retards like you.No, you.
>>108604607You'd need to have another AI that's trained specifically to sus out and track down AI not using an appropriate ID.does this remind you of anything?This is literally the only way to fix it. Those people wanting to ID humans are morons with ulterior motives. Their plan won't work, at least not for the AI problem.Think of it this way. If you force every human being to digitally ID themselves, what's the AI going to do? They'll either be non-functional, which destroys AI development entirely, use fake IDs, OR USE AN ID SPECIFIC TO AI. All this does is get to a true workable solution without all the extra unnecessary bits that those with ulterior motives are trying to force.
>>108600538I don't blame them. Try to providena service and you get faggots instantly abusing it. Fuck em. Total anonymity death is what we need. Everyone should have their IDs tied to everything they do. You faggots want to play games here's your prize
>>108603956Is there even any way that can't be correlated in some way so that one person can't access the same place twice or different ones, while at the same time preventing one person from allowing themselves to be used as an identity for any number of people? It doesn't seem possible to me.
>>108602938so why not block the asins of data centres and public proxies?i just kept banning ranges that were doing any kind of abuse, worked perfectly
>>108604607You just make it a legal burden. Then tools like OpenClaw and Claude Code are required to add "btw me AI plz gib saarbice :DDDDDDD" metadata, otherwise the devs or company get sued; that covers probably 99% of users. Most people using AI are either techbro white knights that will "respect the law", or negative IQ pajeets who won't know how a VPN works so won't hide themselves properly and can get caught easily.Also if this really was a law, anthropic would probably train Claude to check its own source and refuse to use tools that make internet calls that hide its "btw me AI :DD" metadata.
>>108604703I feel it would be simpler to put some kind of restriction on escalating abuse rather than sus out specifically use-as-AI-CDN. Like how much does a regular, anonymous, human user even use catbox? 100 downloads a day? 100 uploads a week?But then they just kick the can and swap VPNs or spoof their hardware/browser profile. Or at least that's what a malicious human adversary would do. Would an AI fag try to continuously randomize the profile of their http/ai requests to the site just to avoid being flagged as an abuser, or would they move on to another easier filehost service?
>>108604736>legalnon-starter, that's going to take decades if it ever happens at all (human ID is way more likely), meanwhile the sites are going to die anyway but>>108604761 (me)disregard, I am completely retarded, have no industry-level knowledge or understanding and shouldn't be talking on this subject one way or another.
>>108604725ZK proofs are pretty powerful. They're not all-powerful, so it may well be impossible, but I wouldn't write it off right away.For instance, consider a proof circuit that takes as one of its inputs "number N of times I've requested proof for service X this month" and also proves that N < 5, and produces an un-traceable but deterministic proof. Then the service that a) the proof is valid (so N < 5) and b) the proof has not been reused (so you can use each of N = 0, 1, 2, 3, 4 exactly once). For each proof it doesn't know who submitted it, and it doesn't even know what N is (is it 0 or 4, are you requesting your first account or your 5th one already this month?) but it does know that every natural citizen can only create a maximum of 5 accounts no matter what.Then services can use it to limit the number of accounts however they want, for example you can make up to 3 accounts per year, or any person is limited to 2 lifetime accounts or even a single one, etc. Not necessarily ideal but it does mean you don't have to provide ANY legal identifiers. Imagine if you can only make one gmail account but you can make it over Tor, with no phone number and no real mail requirements, and google knows you're 100% is real person so it will never show you a captcha as long as you're logged in and will never lock your account for "suspicious bot activity".A harder question would be eliminating account sharing/selling completely. I dunno how you'd do that, maybe something like a regular challenge scheme? You have to use your ID to make a proof to sign up and then you also regularly have to re-prove your ID to log in. Easy if it's your own account, but if you gave it out to someone else, you'll need to keep regenerating proofs for them. Maybe possible if you literally set up a server to allow people to constantly request new proofs from you, but already raises the barrier to entry very significantly.
>>108600538Why don't you host your own, fucking retard? It's open source. Why are you upset that you can't freeload off of someone else's server? Kill yourself immediately.
>>108602814>Like seriously at what point did the problem became these 2In 2017 when tech companies started selling mobile devices to Southeast Asia. Remember the Pewdiepie Vs. T-Series thing? Every mobile device sold in India came pre-packaged with a YouTube account subscribed to T-Series. That wasn't just a subscriber count, that was a live tracker of the onboarding of the country of India to the World Wide Web. Here's what the numbers are at now
>>108604773>non-starterThey're making human ID just fine. The argument is that it would be better if they made AI ID instead.Obviously it will never actually happen because we cannot have good things, they're making human ID laws not to protect the internet but because they want everyone to be forced to have ID, the AI craze is just incidentally useful. (Remember that metal gear or whatever webm that was made in the earliest days of voice synthesis like 15.ai, or stable diffusion, or something like that, I think even before chatgpt got released - talking about how it was a pathway to enforcing global ID. Well it may have been a shitpost at the time but now it's clearly the actual real path we're on.)
As if it wasn't bad enough when the sharty went on a spamming and reporting spree over catbox having anime girls on the home page. Now aijeets are spamming the service, and local trolls are posting "enact digital id laws" for attention.>>108603152Usecase for allowing datacenter IPs to waste bandwidth and view files? Usecase for allowing anyone other than actual human beings on actual computers access services?
>>108604788Even if it can be limited privately in that way, you could reduce AI use but not eliminate it to the point of trusting some account to be human. A human created account could be then given to the control of something AI run, or even limit human involvement down to occasionally confirming what's going to be done. Governments that are responsible for IDs could also create as many as they want for their purposes, even if individuals and business get limited.
>>108600566>create a problem>push a solution you want that would never be considered otherwise
>>108604114Not the dev but Catbox sorts uploads by the MD5 hash to save space, so if you upload the exact same image it will search and find the broken link and return that to you. You need to edit the image in some way to get a new MD5 hash and thus a new catbox link
>>108600538Free services are cancer and must die. Want to share a file? Pay $0.003/MB/minute or whatever for as long as your file is hosted. Want to download a file? Pay $0.00005/MB or whatever. Post on 4chans? $0.000003/post. Everything must be paid, nothing should be free. Think about it - all of the worst things on the internet are because service providers need to find ways to pay for hosting, and all options are atrocious - advertisements, data brokerage, overpriced subscriptions, it's all insane.
The government does not need to enforce digital ID because a market-based solution will come up. It could be >>108604601 or it could be pseudonymous cross-site IDs. You know the "sign-in with Google" button? That could be done with an open standard unifying people's accounts without needing to tie it to their real identity. Then you could have blocklists, karma, etc.
retard here. i dont quite understand whats going on. claude/chatgpt is using catbox as filestorage? you can set up an agent to do that, instead of linking a google drive?also have you tried rangebanning israel and india? or basically every non anglosphere country
>>108604820>A human created account could be then given to the control of something AI run, or even limit human involvement down to occasionally confirming what's going to be done.True but it eliminates account farming, and you're basically using your main account for this. This also allows much better enforcement of limits, for example your account can be rate-limited if you keep uploading AI slop.The downside is that this does give you insane enforcement power so now e.g. google can ban someone for life from their service if they restrict re-signups with the same ID, for any reason they like.There's no fundamental way to prove that some action was taken by a human sitting at a keyboard, if someone is dedicated enough to letting an AI control their accounts then the only way to stop them is device attestation that literally directly controls the software you're allowed to run. There's no way to prevent it as long as people are allowed to use their own devices that they control.>Governments that are responsible for IDs could also create as many as they want for their purposesTrue but governments can already do whatever the fuck they want, if the NSA wants to DDOS your service they will and if they want to plant CP on your servers and get you arrested they will.
>>108601499this
>>108602995I noticed some of my old uploads are 404s now. Did you mass delete old files or something? I used catbox to host mods I make and I guess I'll be looking for alternate hosting.
>>108602995>I have filters at the firewall level that are blocking probably 7,500~ IP addresses that were caught scrapingbut I NEEEEEED to know very single file uploaded to your service including all the indians that take screenshots of their spam comments as proof to get paid and the weird geocache people in foreign countries and the shitty quality subtitled anime.
>>108603078eh, you need live biometric verification not just credentials. otherwise I can just use your ID and so can rajesh or his n8n bots.
>>108602995mr catbox man, do you not like my ISP (Infinity Developments)?half the time i can’t get on litterbox but it works fine on my mobile network.
>>108604601You can run a miner in the web browser, obviously it's a lot worse but with proper webassembly acceleration it's not abysmal. Last I checked I think it was maybe like 5x-10x worse or so, not thousands of times worse.The thing is even using $0.40/day of native mining, if you spend 30 seconds on the website that is absolutely insignificant, let alone if it's like a 5-10 second challenge before being allowed to enter the website. Now consider a phone or laptop that might be 5x weaker than your 3900x. Back of the napkin you're getting $0.000009 per 10-second captcha/PoW.Assuming storage at $15/TB (which is pre-AI bubble), a MB is $0.000014, so your 10-second PoW pays for about 600 KB of storage, and I think the catbox guy mentioned in the past that the bandwidth costs way more than the storage in the long run.PoW is viable to drive up the costs for scrapers but not so much for recouping operating costs for users. You'd need to literally sit there mining for like 30 minutes to be allowed to upload one image, or something. I guess it could work for dedicated users willing to keep the thing open in the background for days to rack up "upload credits" for when they need them later, but most people would probably just go to whatever service works on that day, or imgur, or google drive, or failing all that just moan and give up.
>>108602995God bless you. Hope you can fight off the AI menace.>0x0 shut downDamn, I haven't even heard of that
>>108602995>>108604887nvm just read the blog and saw why some files are missingthank you for the wonderful file hosting site
>>108600538Don't forget to financially support the dude if you use his service and want it to stay operational. Shits way more expensive than just running a static website. https://catbox.moe/support.php
>>108604832yeah i figured that eventually, my only issue now its the blank files on my gallery cant be deleted, pic related
>>108604965>>108604997why are you sucking his dick for running some file host sitethis place becomes more reddit in each passing dayjust flush it down>>108605022>don't forget to support and subscribehaha oh god this site has no values left at all
>>108605025nevermind i read the blog and saw why the issue with blank files
>>108605033Retarded newfag
>>108605033retarded newfag
>>108605054enjoy your dying webshart
Unrelatedwtf is catbox.to? I've seen this site used once as a host but can't figure out why it exists. A completely unrelated filehost that just happens to also use the name catbox? The site is copyright "catbox" (as opposed to catbox llc), the legal policies are all different (but refers to catbox llc once), so it doesn't look like a normie-friendly front to catbox.moe.
>>108605033when the newfag is retarded
>>108605033>haha oh god this site has no values left at allit's a completely optional payment to keep a website running that has no ads, no fees, no registration, no data harvesting, or anything for a service that most websites monetize out the ass because it's expensive. what's up with you zoomers are vehemently opposed to forking over an hour of your mcwages to keep that going? like it's some kind of grievous offense to want to support something that benefits you? not just in this case but with everything else I notice people like you pop up. you have no problem consuming slop or viewing ads or having your data sold in exchange for access but the second someone says "I wont do any of that stuff even though I could make a fortune doing it" and then asks for a dollar or ten to keep things running nobody wants to pitch in.
>>108605033kys the_donald election tourist newfag
>>108604812>the AI craze is just incidentally usefulLol the coordination of this ID thing goes beyond what happened with covid. Towards the end of last year there was a week where at least 3 different countries all started talking about IDs for 3 different reasons lmao. Like after more than 20 years of social media existing it's suddenly a VERY SERIOUS problem. Even Russia is blocking chat apps. And this is just early stages. They're still just beginning to implement shitty systems so "the people" will demand better ones, the ones that are the real end goal.
>>108600566oh mr antichrist
Just geoblock india, russia, china and the US that will solve 90% of AI jeet spam
The funny thing about compute and AI is that normal people are being priced out of compute, but it's okay because AI will be cheap and accessible to everyone. At least that was the plan, but all the newest models are extremely expensive to use. The prices are skyrocketing. I don't understand what the end game is here.
>>108605090mindblowing you typed that out and thought anyone would read that shit bruh you like 80yo or what>>108605113oh yeah you are still reminscing about shit from a decade+ plus ago you guys are posting from retirement homes
>>108605146Paying a monthly fee to use a computer so they have access to everything and everything goes through them first.This is mad intentional everyone will be priced out of desktop and laptop computing you'll get thin clients that connect to a server in tel aviv and stream windows 11 to you.Android and iOS isn't a problem as they're already heavily backdoored
>>108605090>it's a completely optional paymentmake it non-optional
>>108605156The only thing getting backdoored around here is you by Jamal and Da Boyz
>AI will improve your life broHow AI is improving my life>Manual captchas everywhere>Proof of work challenges before accessing any page>AI sloppa fake discussions and blog spam poisoning the already fucked up SEO and discussion forums>Retards unironically proposing real ID tied to your internet presence>Speeding the enshitification of the internet at unheard of ratesAre you feeling it now mr crabs
>>108600553>>108600555Honestly same. Time to accelerate further!
>>108605178Destroying the internet and making it unusable will improve your life immensely, you just have not accepted it yet.
>>108605178Oh yeah I forgot the internet is unusable now without a residential high trust IP every website will either block you or require you to authenticate in one way or another if you use a VPN or TOR.
>>108605152unlike zoomers who don't know how to use a computer and can only type using a phone keyboard that only took me 25 seconds to think up and type. low quality bait but I'm still responding because why not. I'm on the clock and getting paid to engage you.
>>108605178This is what happen when you let AIjeets invade anything without restriction, they just shit it up and ruin it for everyone else.You'd think when AI art boomed and it started destroying art sites at an alarming rate, every other service providers would fucking do something to prevent suffering the same fate but look where we are now.
>>108605202>every other service providers would fucking do somethingLike what? AI are locusts destroying the internet and possibly tech in general. No one can stop the famine. I dare say its intentional.
>>108605178seems that nothing has changed lul, SEO, scrapers, paid shill farms and profiteering destroyed normienet long before AI
>>108605202>AI art boomed and it started destroying art sites at an alarming ratecool revision of history. ai art did not destroy art sites or cause any harm. its users just threw a shit fit because they don't like to see it and they're afraid of not being able to monetize a hobby.
Faggots proposing real ID are actually AI glowies they know their biggest datasets used to train their models are either drained, killed by them (stackoverflow) or heavily invaded by AI bots like reddit and hacker news. They can't use AI sloppa to train their AI sloppa they need 100% real human data and real ID will give them the certainty that the reddit dataset for 2030 is clean because everyone had to give spez a picture of their drivers license.They created the problem, sold you the solution and made big bucks all the way through.
>>108605228this talking point is so ignorant it's funny. they don't need a million billion rubes to provide training data. the data from paying researchers to think of high quality learning problems and solution pairs is way cheaper and more valuable to the model.
>>108605242That's funny why are AI companies caught scrapping shit without permission all the time then if they can pay scientists to make more efficient data sets?They just got sued for pirating all of spotify a couple months ago.
>>108605242Obviously false. If your retardation was true they wouldn't have had to steal every image, book, codebase, etc ever created while still being incredibly hungry for more. Get real homeboy. We know we have all the cards and we ain't playing no mo.
>>108605253>>108605256now you've moved the goal post. the original comment said that all those sources were drained, so I addressed the next step. I swear an LLM could debate better than you losers with no functioning logic system in your brain.
>>108605228>They can't use AI sloppa to train their AI sloppaHow's life in 2016? In 2017 they'll publish a paper about PPO, and in 2024 Deepseek will publish a paper about GRPO. Don't know what PPO and GRPO mean? That means you're a midwit parroting midwit takes you read online, and have no idea what you're talking about.
>>108605152Lol zoomgroids are so funnythey think they can argue from the position of being the dumbest, trannyest, BLM-loving tech illiterates in recorded history.
>>108605228I fully support digital ID, but exclusively in third world shitholes as their own modern form of an internet firewall.The first world should cancel trade agreements with all third world countries until they implement digital ID so I no longer need to be subjected to interaction with third worlders.The entire third world should function like China where 99% of the populace is relegated to their own version of the internet.
>>108600538why do ai fags ruin everything they touch
>>108601988I'm only one user, but I've had Claude tell me to upload to catbox for him to access (litterbox didn't work) >>108602995Thank you for all you do.
>>108602995Ok, well how long is this going to go on for?
>>108605242>they don't need a million billion rubes to provide training datayou are being disingenuous, that is precisely what is happening
>>108605300until he has enough money that them draining the existing resources isn't an issue or they stop attacking his servers for profit? the fuck do you think the answer is dude. think about the question you asked after his explanation. THINK. WITH YOUR BRAIN. fuck I hate people. most of you could be replaced with ooga booga cavemen and nothing in daily life would change.
>>108604520Pow really doesn't like weaker computers or browser engines that aren't the big 3. I have to use my gaming PC and a chromium browser just to post on sites that use it. Anubis and goaway are a lot better.
>>108605274>Ummm chuddy AI can now use AI sloppa to train itself it's $CURRENT_YEAR>Line goes up forever nowGive sam altman another quintillion dollars stat!
>AIjeet shows up in the thread>immediately starts bullshiting everyoneEverySingleFuckingTime
>>108605322Seems more like he (you) are scamming people for money. Get a job maybe??
>>108605322The image says "temporarily" if its temporary then that means it has a set endpoint. If it doesn't and is going to go on indefinitely then its not temporary and he's a liar. You add nothing to the discussion by whinging to make yourself feel more i lntelligent
reminder catbox blocked thirdies because they kept uploading CSAM and brazilians had a meltdown about it kekthe solution to the internet is to block everyone who isn't american or europeanprobably block socal and texas as well to keep chicanos out
>>108605341holy shit this is such low quality bait that I my cat can probably troll better. aspire to be greater in everything you do, alhamdulillah.
>>108605350you are brown
>>108605067I would assume some weird phishing site. Have you tried it without an adblocker on? I would bet it's loaded with ads.Unrelated are the captcha loading really slowly for others?
>>108605350>braziliansDoesnt surprise me>>108605630Captcha takes like a minute to load, seems its global as have seen threads being way more slower than normal
>>108605350>Thinks norcal isn't at least half brownkekt. norcal
>>108605449t. joao pardo de silvia>>108605714kek could be, i'm far away from that chicano and indian containment state thankfully
>>108600538>Get got by Three-Letter agents>Blame any modernly relevant Strawman>Invoke "Solution" that does what Glowies want instead of actually fixing the issue you claim it's forI hate noticing. I want to go back to eating digital steak again
>>108605780Take your meds or pull a Terry, faggot
>>108605780The IDF has nothing to do with this. This is pure paranoia and highly anti-Semitic. Educate yourself about the Holocaust and the blessings the people of Israel bring to the rest of the world on a daily basis, while asking nothing but what was already promised to us in return.
>>108605826you guys would rather marry your computer than be happyif only you could know how much it will really cost you
>>108600538>literal glowie malware sitegood riddance?>>108605826lol yeah because prism didnt happen, the mi6 didnt take a post from /pol/ and call it evidence of a pisstape, and covid19 lockdowns were not a powergrabobviously the huge push towards internet ID at the same time AI is being slowly banned for consumer and is becoming cloud only, but yeah theyre schizo>>108605630>Unrelated are the captcha loading really slowly for others?buy a pass and you wont have to wait
>>108605958>buy a pass and you wont have to waitThere is a delay on posts being submitted as well. Not going to pay to post on a mongolian basket weaving forum.
>>108605829You tell 'em Samuel
>>108605280Agreed. Actually, let's just kick amerigolems off the Internet altogether.
>>108600566This post was literally made by Tony Blair.
basedpublicly execute every single AI normie nigger
