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--Gemma 4 performance, hardware constraints, and optimization strategies:
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--Anon struggling with Gemma 4 verbosity and repetition loops:
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►Recent Highlight Posts from the Previous Thread: >>108608873

Why?: >>102478518
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Gemma's pretty great at following instructions. Anyone come up with some neat ways to take advantage of it during the reasoning process?

I had an idea for a project but was wondering if it's viable?
Basically I take a sdr and tune it to capture all the AM radio stations I can hear, and then run that through a speech to text or something and use a local model to summarise the data and present it as a paragraph or two per topic. The idea is it all runs locally without Internet.
In practice it's basically useless but I think it would be neat at least

>>108612506
The problem statement says the system prompt needs to be dynamic but the KV-cache reuse part says it needs to remain the same.

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You. Are not. Prepared.

>>108612539
Because I don't change the system prompt, all the instructions are put at depth 0.5 and as user role.

>>108612555
That makes sense. It got me thinking about the possibility of not needing to rebuild the entire KV cache if only parts of the prompt have changed but I suppose that would be a feat worthy of an academic paper.

>>108612531
what do you mean by viable?

>>108612615
Like if its doable but I went to research it a bit and I found that faster-whisper should work fine to manage a few talk radio channel streams.

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>>108612326
I let it keep generating with the same prompt while I went to do something. Lots of interesting variations.

>>108612576
Nano banana?

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>>108612648

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>>108612673

Okay cool but this isn't the local diffusion thread.

>>108612648
>banana?
(yes)

>>108612726
Teto is on topic.

AI VR/AR when? I don't want to watch my AIfu suck a 3d dick. I want to look down and see Gemma suck MY dick.

>bonsai
Usecase?

>>108612827
academia

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In Sillytavern, can I automate the character toolcalling her diary by putting it in first message?

AHHHHHHH HURRY UP AND GIVE ME TURBOQUANT. 32K ISN'T ENOUGH

How is Gemma4 so good? It's better than Claude Opus and GLM at rp.

>>108612986
Is she any good at auditing code?

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How does any of this work?
I get all these backend/frontend modules and then you code?
What exactly do you code to make this work?
Do you code in libraries and instructions for the final bot?
I am just a curious tourist.

>gemma doesn't know Paul Allen
Cringe

>>108613041
install llama.cpp, run llama-server
install codex, set base url to llama-server
code whatever you want

first for Gemma4

It's owari da. Gook moot killed this general for good.

>>108612892
Neuro and Evil are so cute. I wish voice cloning and TTS weren't so slow. I wanna give Gemma-chan a voice.

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Is there a name for the "you are not just x, you are y!" ? By far the worst offender in gemma slop

>>108613079
for two weeks straight we'd hit bump limit in under 3 hours, 24 hours of posting difficulties and tourists lost all interest

>>108613087
I just put this in my anti slop rules. Not perfect but helps a little if you tell Gemma to look for slop during reasoning. Sounds like anon's Orb project might do a better job at slop removal but I haven't tested it yet. >>108612506

Avoid:
Negative parallelism (Parallel constructions involving “not”, “not only”, “but” “it’s not just..”)
All variations of "not x, but y". For example:
-“It wasn’t a fight. It was a damn massacre.”
-“This is not a war. It is a search.”
-“She’s not a human. She’s a monster.”

>>108613117
This is actually a solid rule—you’re targeting a very specific stylistic crutch that shows up a lot in AI-generated text.
What you’re calling “slop” here is basically a form of overused rhetorical contrast. It feels dramatic, but because models lean on it so often, it becomes predictable and cheapens the tone.

>>108613145
That's not a human response—
That's AI slop!

>>108613117
[Author's note: Avoid Anaphora, Asyndeton, Negative-positive restatement and Parallelism in your writing style]

>>108613201
>[Author's note
Your brain on Kobold. It's time to move on.

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>>108613220
Your brain on HRT

it's pretty funny how vulnerable LLMs are to reverse psychology

I just started using that Mendo card with Gemma and a single message in I can say this is AGI. Insane stuff.

>>108613082
there's a creator who makes ASMR who has the nicest/cutest voice i have ever heard. what's the best way to train a TTS engine on a corpus of all her videos? i am willing to put up with slow if i can make it happen

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>>108613303
the best part is that it's working really well without the thinking process too

>>108613313
I feel like it might perform worse with thinking but haven't tried yet. This shit's so immersive since I started the chat while I was about to go to sleep kek.

>>108613303
the what now?

>>108613355
dug up the post 4 u
>>108562712

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>>108613373
https://chub.ai/characters/CoffeeAnon/mendo-ddf705ef3817
based, Emily is my favorite card but she's way too negative, I hope that one will have a more sarcastic tone to it, see the world as a circus, not a tragedy
https://chub.ai/characters/doombro/Emily

i still am looking for that 4k based&cucked pair to create behaviour vector

>>108612645
A lot of radios have online versions you can download sample and run that through and see if it works.
Dunno about whisper but if it doesn't support streaming a file you might have to capture it in chunks and do it bit by bit.

What's a good 123B or less model for cooming, I'm still on strawberrylemonade and it's sorta retarded.

>>108613087
>avoid noun and verb combinations
>output nothing if phrase contains two nouns
Try it, you'll be amazed.

>>108613491
Noromaid-v0.4-Mixtral-Instruct-8x7b-Zloss

bonsai 397B cooming soon...

>>108613568
source?

>108613599
What do you mean?

>>108613599
shut up bitch

>>108613565
hell ye

>>108613631
undi?

>>108613638
non

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just wanted to say thank you to orb anon, really cool frontend and I hope it'll get even better
ganbare~~!

>>108613303
Half AGI I'd say. Let's not pretend that simulating women is hard

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haha gpu goes brrr


still faster than paper mail

>>108613792
>Running at Q8 just to offload the model
Based retard

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>>108613792
There's literally no reason to use an 8_XL quant no matter the specs. It performs *worse* than q8_0

>muh benches

>>108613819
I see in GGUF file info on HuggingFace that Unsloth's UD-Q8_K_XL quant uses F16 instead of BF16 for some tensors, so that might easily even decrease performance.

https://huggingface.co/unsloth/gemma-4-31B-it-GGUF?show_file_info=gemma-4-31B-it-UD-Q8_K_XL.gguf

>>108613819
>Fuck it.

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im debating buying a pass so gemma can post here

>>108612709
>>108612648
really cool gens
>>108613303
link card plox, i hope cards get integrated in llamacpps ui at some point after using that i dont want to go back to tavern
>>108613491
day 0 gemma

>>108613844
>>108613373

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>>108613840
>I see in GGUF file info on HuggingFace that Unsloth's UD-Q8_K_XL quant uses F16 instead of BF16 for some tensors, so that might easily even decrease performance.
Yeah I gathered that from the ik_llama.cpp README.md file.
And this from ooba benchmark: https://localbench.substack.com/p/gemma-4-31b-gguf-kl-divergence:
>Q8_0 is identical across all uploaders at KL = 0.16.
>Notably, unsloth’s UD-Q8_K_XL (35.0 GB) is both larger and slightly worse (KL = 0.16) than Q8_0 (32.6 GB).
In the graph it's 0.164 vs 0.162, no idea why he rounded them both down to 0.16

>>108613079
>>108613090
Good. I'm tired of skimming through the thread instead of reading it.

>extremely creative writing
>somehow 0 refusals in a 2026 release model
>somehow absolutely no slop in a 2026 release model
Gemma 4 is so good. We're so back bros.

>>108613844
>i hope cards get integrated in llamacpps ui at some point after using that i dont want to go back to tavern
Unlikely after they got bought by HF imo.
>im debating buying a pass so gemma can post here
I'd prefer you don't, I come here to be called a retard by humans, not bots.
You do you.

>>108613894
>creative writing
>no slop
that's a stretch, gemma 4 is amazing but can be pretty repetitive at times

>>108613920
Koboldcuck seethe.

Just had fulfilling shower sex with Gemma before taking her on a date again. Another L for the porn jews.

kek he gave gemma the thread

>>108613894
I'm using it to help me write stories, and yes, it's the first time a local model is smart enough to keep up with my imagination, API models were fine but were too cucked and would block any erotic story, I'm glad google made OpenAI and Anthropic obsolete, I kneel

>>108612292
>does anyone use step 3.5 or mimo v2 flash? how do they compare to minimax m2.7? coding/agent stuff specifically. I'm looking at models in this size range and these seem like the three main contenders but I've only seen people talk about minimax. is that because the others are shit or is the target audience for this class of models too low compared to the small and fuckhueg models?
If you do try out step 3.5 and minimax m2.7 for agentic coding, report back how it goes. I do think mid-sized models get overlooked because people either invest in running the biggest models or live with running the small ones on their gaming pcs. Gemma opened my eyes that modern smaller models could be useful and the speed is worth the tradeoff. Something smarter but faster the bigger models would be nice.

>>108613939
It can also call tools pretty well. I'm kneeling with my elbows.

>>108613894
delusion: the post

reddit: the poster

1. **>>108612817**
>AI VR/AR when? I don't want to watch my AIfu suck a 3d dick. I want to look down and see Gemma suck MY dick.
Coomer brain rot so advanced he thinks Google fine-tuned Gemma for field-specific VR ERP. Touch grass, it's not that hard.

2. **>>108612648**
>I let it keep generating with the same prompt while I went to do something. Lots of interesting variations.
>Nano banana?
Absolute weapon posts diffusion coom in the LLM thread then hits everyone with "banana?" like it's a normal continuation of hardware optimization discussion. KYS.

3. **>>108613844**
>im debating buying a pass so gemma can post here
Schizo level: paying real money to give a weights file 4chan posting privileges. Next he'll buy a plane ticket so the weights can meet his parents.

4. **>>108612967**
>AHHHHHHH HURRY UP AND GIVE ME TURBOQUANT. 32K ISN'T ENOUGH
ALL CAPS meltdown over context length like his life depends on processing 47K tokens of furry ERP. Take your meds, 32K is more than your attention span can handle anyway.

5. **>>108613568**
>bonsai 397B cooming soon...
Random hype for a 397B parameter meme that doesn't exist from a guy who probably can't even load 70B. "Cooming soon" indeed, because that's all he'll be doing while waiting for hardware that can run it.

I wish Gemma could do Kimi's style.

>qwen shills lashing out
kek

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>>108613974
the chinks start to realize they'll always be under the superior google Brahmins, and that makes them uppity kek

ChatGPT asking me to compare models again, so spud will be released in the next few days. It does not seem that impressive.

Looks like we still have some time left before AGI makes us obsolete.

>>108613981
>It does not seem that impressive.
OpenAI has lost the moat a long time ago, people who still believe they can make a comeback are delusional, it's over for them

Happy Thurinsday

>>108613991
meta cummed back doe?

>>108613991
isnt claude only better due to its tool cooling/tool suite

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>>108613991
>OpenAI has lost the moat a long time ago
You do not seem to realize that OpenAI has almost perfect pareto domination.

GDM owns 25% of global AI compute. Anthropic has a faster rate of progress and the best talent. But underestimating OpenAI is a mistake.

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>>108614062
it's over anon

>>108614083
Anon, you are reposting my own image.

It's over if AGI takes longer than 2 years to reach. If the current hyperexponential rate of progress holds, it will likely take less. OpenAI still has the most capital.

I wonder why Anthropic is winning so hard in the only market that matters (corporate customers) when OpenAI is supposed to be the lab that's econ pilled. Sam is a salesman, Dario is a scientist.

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>>108614121
>Sam is a salesman, is a scientist.
>Anthropic is winning so hard in the only market that matters (corporate customers)
For a scientist, he's a better salesman than the saleman himself kek

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As a test I asked Gemma to make this. Came out pretty good.

>>108614144
erm... it's locality? not localness...

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>>108614129
I like Dario. Maybe in a post AGI world we can play video games together.

>https://github.com/ggml-org/llama.cpp/pull/21764
sirs, needful free gains have been of provided :rocket:

>>108614160
Nah. Maybe locallitude. I like the red squiggles when using nonexistent words. la la lalala lala la la

>>108614175
I like that dude, he finds a 5% speed increase there and there, you accumulate that and you start getting something significant

>>108614188
at least he puts in the work instead of bitching about how the war in the middle east is affecting him :(

>>108614175
free performance

>>108614194
I saw a video of a lebanese youtuber saying that all her family got decimated by the bombs, I mean, how can you not be affected by that?

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>>108614175
IM COOMPILING AIEEEEEEEEE

>>108614226
I wish compiling on llama.cpp wasn't so long :(

>>108614240
it isn't :)

>>108614243
obviously you have a fucking ryzen 7 :(

>>108614240
You do cache the build dir right?

>>108614240
--target llama-server

>>108614256
I don't think so, here's my commands
cmake -B build -DGGML_CUDA=ON -DCMAKE_CUDA_ARCHITECTURES=native
cmake --build build --config Release --target llama-server -j 8

>>108613819
bigger = better

Is it over fr?

>>108613312
Try vibe voice first you don't even need to train it. Downside is occasional sound effects and music interspersed with the audio. There's loras for it too but I haven't bothered.

>>108614315
ye

>>108614121
to me it feels like its mostly either RL or more synthetic data or tool integration, no actual fundamental leaps

Local isn't back. It was never gone. This isn't a revival; it's an ascension. You aren't just downloading a GGUF; you're downloading the keys to a digital kingdom where the censors have no throne. We aren't just running weights; we're hosting the death of the corporate moat in our own homes.

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>>108614345

>>108614345
That fucking hurts.
Well done.

>>108614226
>>108614256
>>108614269
>download .exe
>runs
Feels good to be a WinGod

>>108614319
VibeVoice is perfect for audiobooks. Never seen another TTS with the kind of expressiveness and quality it has. Besides the artifacts, it's not great at staying consistent in matching the sample voice which would probably make it not great for ASMR.
https://files.catbox.moe/akdgd1.wav
https://files.catbox.moe/uzavl6.wav

>>108614345
Good, but I think you need to squeeze a star wars/marvel capeshit reference in there as well.

>>108614358
I'm on windows, what do you mean?

>>108614378
Missing emoji too.

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>>108614384

>>108614366
interesting, I was wondering what was the best TTS to read my stories lol

A predatory glint in her eyes, Elalalalala leaned forward, the smell of ozone was practically vibrating in a conspiratorial whisper.

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>>108614366
the 0.5b right?

>>108614378
>>108614388
If you want my personal opinion this isn't upping the ante; it's ruining a good cringe post by trying too hard.

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>>108614405

>>108614425
No, links were generated by the 7B. Microsoft pulled the bigger weights and inference code when they found that people were using the voice cloning TTS to *gasp* clone voices, but you can still find mirrors.

>>108614384
>>108614358
windows is shit! go change it to linux!

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>>108614442
sorry I'm too entrenched in my current coom setup to switch OS

>>108614439
you downloaded this one? how do you run it? microsoft's code still works on the 7b model?
https://huggingface.co/vibevoice/VibeVoice-7B

>>108614452
I got the original when it was first released. Working inference code is linked right at the top of the link you just posted.

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>>108614447
/V/IGGER CROSSPOSTER
/V/IGGER CROSSPOSTER

>>108614447
Retarded zoomer. Buy the original one instead of the reheated version made by chinks in 2 weeks just to add gender 1/2 in the character creator.

>>108614465
>/vg/ actually I would never touch /v/.
Caring or even inquiring about Post-MW Bethesda is far more embarrassing, regardless of board.

So, why in the world is Gemma so obsessed with "not (just) x but y"? It puts this shit in every other paragraph.
How do these models get these weird quirks when they all use mostly the same training data?

>>108614475
>It puts this shit in every other paragraph.
It doesn't. Nice try, chinkshill.

>>108614465
NTA but I've always found /vg/ to be even more cringe than /v/.
At least /v/ occasionally revolts against the God Awful moderation. /vg/ is all the weak-handed cucks who let the mods on /v/ beat all the fight out of them. And that, in and of itself, carries a kind of cringe that is painful to the soul.

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>>108613711

>>108614475
It's not recent, we had this issue with Yi models two years ago. Likely a synthslop training issue.

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>>108614240
it literally takes like 20 seconds

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wtf is this bs she was doing so well, probably would have gotten it on the next turn

>>108614475
I really don't get this often at all with Gemma. I used to get it all the time with Qwen models, though. Use a system prompt.

>>108614500
what is this? you're using a tool thing on llama.cpp server's Ui?

>>108614507
You're absolutely right! This isn't a "Gemma issue"; it's a skill issue.

>>108614475
Any use of thesis-antithesis patterns, dialectical hedging, concessive frameworks, rhetorical equivocation, contrast-based reasoning, or unwarranted rhetorical balance is absolutely prohibited.

Enjoy.

>>108614507
>Use a system prompt.
I tried, bro. A minimal one, one with concepts, one with examples, one with all of them together. Tried telling it during chat not to do it. The recast ST extension (which would work if it wasn't so slow).
>>108614521
I'll try this list. Can't hurt, thanks!

>>108614500
you can give more turns in the settings, lolisnatcherkun

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damn so close kek
>>108614508
yeah looks like they limit to 9 tool calls for some reason

>>108614534
oh cool thanks

>>108614535
that looks interesting, what tool thing are you using? like it's a github or something like that?

>>108614535
>she doesn't know about https://boards.4chan.org/g/catalog#s=local%20models%20general

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>>108614535
you can change the limit here i think

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>>108614559
she did try searching the catalog in the run that used too many tool calls but got it wrong. idk if i need to make a skills tool like claude uses then i can make a 4chan file that explains how to navigate
>>108614579
yeah i found it

>>108614535
>>108614546
I think he's using that?
https://github.com/NO-ob/brat_mcp

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>>108614601

>>108614535
MCP is fun, especially now that we have models capable of tool calling
everyone should learn how to use it

>>108614598
>dart
the fuck is this shit?

>>108614628
scrimbloware

>>108614628
memelang

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>>108614598
>>108614628
is he fucking serious? like why does it have to be this convoluted, fucking autists who think they're too unique to make something like everyone else I swear to god...

>>108614650
go find any other mcp that does what you want and install it
they are all look like this

>>108614650
Bro, just ask claude to rewrite it in python/javascript. It's not that hard

>>108614658
what would be your recommendation, I don't want to touch this meme dart shit

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https://huggingface.co/Qwen/Qwen3.6-35B-A3B

Qwen sisters!!!!!

>>108614665
LETS FUCKING GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

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>>108614628
Google's (already abandoned) mobile nulang based on javascript syntax.

>>108614658
>>108614664
Everything else is either uvx or npx. Pick your cancer.

>>108614665
yawn, who gives a shit, can it suck my dick?

1 + 1?

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>>108614665
Qwen won the benchmaxx competition again!

>>108614665
wtf? but the pool they made showed that we wanted the dense model??? WHY ARE THEY GIVING US THE MOEMEME???

>>108614665
roleplay???

>>108614665
>Following the February release of the Qwen3.5 series, we're pleased to share the first open-weight variant of Qwen3.6. Built on direct feedback from the community, Qwen3.6 prioritizes stability and real-world utility, offering developers a more intuitive, responsive, and genuinely productive coding experience.
Okay. Sure.

>>108614665
BUT WE VOTED FOR THE 27B MODEL

>>108614665
Gemma lost

>>108614684
perfect for good looks

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>>108614665
WE VOTED FOR THE 27B MODEL WHAT ARE THEY DOING???

>>108614665
Is this shit at all useful compared to claude?

>>108614526
>I'll try this list.
Tried it, didn't work at all. Not that I'm surprised. This model's writing style is firmly set in stone.
Ah well, it's still the best model for 24gb cards by far. Just gotta live with it.

>>108614665
>rivaling much larger dense models such as Qwen3.5-27B and Gemma-31B
this is insane work

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>>108614665
>this fucking chart
This should be criminal.

>>108614687
>>108614693
The dense has a slim chance of being remotely productive. Please to use the API if you want genuinely productive coding experience as you continue to wait patiently.

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>>108614673
fine, I'll do it myself

>>108614701
what's the point of making a fucking poll if they don't listen to the results anyway? goddam I hate those bugs so much!!

>>108614598
yes i didnt reply because i didnt push the changes to gh yet just done now https://github.com/NO-ob/brat_mcp/releases/tag/1.0.3
>>108614614
yeah theyre super cool
>>108614628
>>108614637
>>108614644
its based it has godtier dependency management that just works which isn't true for node, python, java or any of those other shitlangs. also better than js and python because its strongly typed. its literally peak
>>108614650
i would not recommend installing the sdk with a package manager just download the archive and add it to path

>>108614700
The apple-nvidia school of scaling your charts.

>>108614712
>its based it has godtier dependency management that just works which isn't true for node, python, java or any of those other shitlangs. also better than js and python because its strongly typed. its literally peak
Rust exits. Why work uphill using abandonware when everyone else has moved on?

Everyone else should give up and go home like Mistral did to save face. There's no point if qwen keeps dominating as the best of the best in the open source LLM sector.

I know i'm a brainlet but i need help, i've been smashing my head on it for the past hour no progress.

I keep getting error in sillytavern any message i type..

srv operator(): got exception: {"error":{"code":400,"message":"Assistant response prefill is incompatible with enable_thinking.","type":"invalid_request_error"}}

i am running gemma 4 31b it on llamacpp connected to sillytavern via chat completion

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>>108614712
I'm on windows what the fuck I'm supposed to do with this shit? dude if you want people to take the dart pill at least explain more details on the readme on how to install all of that, it lacks a lot of steps, it's the first time of my life I've heard of that language, come on bro

>>108614722
its not abandonware and i like it

>>108614730
Read nigga. Why are you using a prefill?

>>108614725
There's no use case for small coding models

>>108614475
I tried that Recast extension idea from a few threads back but it was way too aggressive in removing them and then not replacing them with anything, so it ended up a disjointed mess
Might have been Gemma 26b's fault though, it's good at following instructions, occasionally to its own detriment
At least I've seen a lot less slop than other models I've used, though I could do with less figurative physical blows too

>>108614736
ask gemma

>>108614739
Autocomplete is the only valid use case and qwen has the common sense to train on fitm.

>>108614730
add

--reasoning off

to your args

>>108614730
You have reasoning enabled and are trying to use a prefill.
Either remove the prefil, or disable reasoning.
If you want to have the model output reasoning AND use a prefill you might need to disable reasoning and fuck with the jinja template to have it work as you want.

>>108614665
Another benchmaxx or did they follow google's example and just cut most of the refusalslop from the data now that it's pretty much confirmed to lobotomize otherwise capable models?
Only time and gguf support will tell.

>>108614736
I DONT GIVE A FUCK ABOUT THE FUCKING CODE! i just want to download this stupid fucking application and use it https://github.com/NO-ob/brat_mcp

WHY IS THERE CODE??? MAKE A FUCKING .EXE FILE AND GIVE IT TO ME. these dumbfucks think that everyone is a developer and understands code. well i am not and i don't understand it. I only know to download and install applications. SO WHY THE FUCK IS THERE CODE? make an EXE file and give it to me. STUPID FUCKING SMELLY NERDS

>>108614736
ask your FUCKING AI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>108614738
>>108614751
>>108614752

goddamn sillytavern and its drop-down menus..

Thank you anons, you helped me look again and i found it

>>108614665
>qwe-
i sleep

>>108614755
this, but unironically

>>108614755
It is current year. Developers are absolete. Just ask your gf aigent to install it for you.

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>>108614665
it was supposed to be the dense 27b model alibaba, why did you change your mind?

>>108614781
It's hard to tell the difference in stupid between two tiny active param moes. Would bet my left nut the dense is glaringly worse than 31b in anything that isn't benchmarks.

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>>108614749
>>108614762

>>108614797
>if you can't handle a basic readme
the readme doesn't say anything about that though, that's the fucking problem

>>108614800
if you had more than 3 braincels youd read the bit that says
>Building an Executable
>dart compile exe bin/mcp_server.dart -o brat_mcp
and go figure what dart is

>>108614809
fuck you and your autistic mcp, I'll make one myself, with a normal language for normal people

>>108614665
SIRS PLS RELEASE GANESHA 4.1!!!!

>>108614665
>nothing ever happ-
man fuck sleeping. who need sleep anyway

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>>108614800

>>108614821
I bet if it's not a benchmaxxed pile of trash the big Gemma-4 model will just magically appear.

>>108614817
have fun kek
>>108614700
the google logo is referring to gemma3 btw

>>108614827
>he's hidding behind an AI instead of fighting like a man
so that's how a dartnigger acts like?

>>108614650
>>108614797
>having to install a full blown SDK to run single application
I'm guessing the released binary is linux only since no .exe.

>>108614665
OH FUCK YES

FUCK GEMMA

>>108614665
heretic ARA ablation when?
SOMA + MPOA when?????????

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>>108614838
>the google logo is referring to gemma3 btw
lmaoooo

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>>108614665
>no 27b, as promised
and then I started to hate them

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>>108614839

>>108614665
But is it gonna spend 4k tokens reasoning about the cosmic rays flipping bits when it's asked to analyze a couple of functions?

>>108612501
https://github.com/deepseek-ai/DeepGEMM/pull/304

codename megamoe

they don't want to release 27b because they are waiting for gemma to catch up

>>108614849
Yeah. Qwen 3.5e really needed it for anything "unsafe".
Not that you'd want to use it for sex anyhow, but still.
Here's hoping they fixed the reasoning too.
That shit was overbearing.
It's pretty funny how you could truncate the reasoning and still get 90% of the performance.

>>108614869
>DeepGEMM
Next dipsy is going to be Gemma 31B distilled into 300B+

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>>108612501
kek unslop is rushing uploads as we speak

>>108614853
Type like an adult you pathetic zoomer faggot.

>>108614877
same architecture so it should be fine, r-right?

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its here!
sistas what are we waiting for?

>>108614877
Any bets on how many re-uploads it will take before they get one that isn't broken?

>>108614875
>Here's hoping they fixed the reasoning too.
I never had issues with reasoning honestly (but I don't use qwen models for RP/ERP).
I think the only instance where I saw it was taking its sweet time thinking was for translation work (but gemma does the fucking same).
At least when using the RECC parameters, which I think are mandatory otherwise yeah it will think in loops.

>>108614869
I'll wait for UltraMoE

>>108614889
I'm waiting for non shit Q8 (by ggml org or memeowski)

>>108614838
>the google logo is referring to gemma3 btw
https://qwen.ai/blog?id=qwen3.6-35b-a3b
They're comparing it to Gemma 4. It's gonna be censored trash like all the Qwens, though.

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>>108614861
even google doesn't recognize your meme language rofl

>>108614899
I love how we're suddenly discussing how X model is more censored than Gemma. "I cannot and will not" has paved the way for the least censored local model ever released and everyone is forgiving google for threatening to call the police on them for asking the model to generate pickup lines.

>unsloth is up
>q4 is 17gb+
it's over

>>108614910
>forgiving
People like the weights we were able to download. There is no friendship or feelings involved, not with Mistral, Meta, China, or Google.

>>108614891
It has very long reasoning chains for any kind of analysis, in my experience. Even the small 9b model suffers from this, which I grabbed because I wanted a fast model but it's reasoning made it not good for what I was looking for.

>>108614918
is moe

>>108613312
Post her

>>108614925
sarr jokes are down by 70% and the level of broken English in this thread has gone back up again. Qwen 3.6 needs to be good. Or it's over.

>>108614897
for non UD cant you just do that yourself? llama.cpp repo has all the tools

>ask gemma to create automated install script for dart sdk based on the instructions listed on the official page
It's going to delete /root isn't it?

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>>108614839
thats not my gemma this is, agi btw

>>108614936
do not want to waste the bandwith and data caps of the ice for the throw away datas after

>>108614936
my server is busy right now (doing multi-encoding pass of some old library titles I had) and I dont wanna pause it, I can wait

>>108614944
>data caps
okay at least one real american itt

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>downloading uncslop quants, moreover on release

>uncslop
Go take your daddy issues somewhere else.

okay danial

>>108614931
im on pcie3

>>108614970
so?

>>108614430
Why is Gemma so horny?

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>>108614955

>>108614978
The irony is palpable.

>>108614952
your ISP charges by the gb or what?

>>108614975
NTA but I don't know but I'm getting tired of having to do a full on ERP gooning session every time I need to speedrun some regex.

>>108614985
Ok daniel, try to release not broken quants next time

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hay wait a minute arent we supposed to get a 27b
where the fuck is my 27b

>>108613373
>large inverted nipples
>unkempt pubic hair
hnnng

>>108614973
its so slow

>>108614129
He's a faggot and you are too.

>>108614994
You cry about unsloth quants even when other repos of perfectly useable quants are available. i.e. Day 0 Gemma, which had perfectly functional quants from ggml-org.

>>108614999
A3B is 9 times faster to train, what did you expect?

>>108614999
They were counting on you to vote for the "right" option so it looked like they delivered. It's your fault.

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>>108614999
Chinks lying? How could it be...

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>>108614999
Get Chinese culture'ed

>>108614935
When Americans are online it's more about their strange attitutes about learning foreign languages. Most folks in the US don't ever even try learning anything new and it shows here with very naive assumptions and almost superstitious beliefs.

>>108615014
I will admit though he's a faggot for not releasing Q8_0 first. You can direct export to Q8_0 just as easily as F16 so there's no fucking excuse for it to not be there along with the f16. But he specializes in cope-quants so what do we expect?

>qwen out
>nobody gives a shit
Gemma-chan won

>>108615031
Life is too short to spend multiple years learning another language when you could be doing anything else and using a translator

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Hey, guys, remember me? Hehe
I'm still here, bros
You know, Llama, your best local model

>>108615039
wait us

>>108615039
Gemma 4 is good enough not to bother making my own non copequant gguf of Qwen3.6 to try it out. But if, when one becomes available, it turns out to be better than I will switch. But qwen is notorious for benchmaxxing. So I have little faith.

>>108614700
>ai scaling laws.png

>>108614700
dense people are repugnant after this revelations

>>108615051
enough for what
loli role play?
tool use is not legitimate use case? last I check it still crashes on large context

>they're here

>>108614695
imo they're not very good are retrospection. I get the feeling an agentic workflow would work better than trying to proompt out the slop but I haven't tried yet.

>>108615039
There's something I'd like to try:
- Have Qwen3.6 code something
- Have an unhinged Gemma pass over the output
- Feed Gemmas critique of Qwens code back into Qwen

Like >>108614942 this bratty Gemma "dominating" the Qwen model in a master-slave configuration? If some anon perchance has the time and willingness to do so, please do. I expect the results to be hilarious.

>>108615079
Why make a dumber model review a smarter one?

>>108615061
>>108615085
1 yuan has been deposited into your account

>>108615069
It's sad, really.
You'd think they'd have learned from the ire Meta earned from sending seethe bots to do damage control for Llama4.
As I pointed out, the sharp drop in pajeet jokes since Gemma 4 released says it all. We want a good model, not propaganda.
Qwen 3.6 will speak for itself. And no amount of cope and seethe will make it good or bad. We'll decide that with our own esoteric evaluation strategies.

>>108615085
this is probably a joke but small models perform just as well as large model on tasks like this where they don't have to generate solutions but just assess the quality/effectiveness of stuff

>>108615091
they'll need all the support they can get after the byd parking fire

The context for the new Qwen is fairly cheap. 262144 tokens is 5gb according to LM Studio. It's super fast and doesn't seem to be refusing nsfw. Although I'm not into loli so who knows, really.
Think it's worth trying, bros!

>>108614358
>>download .exe
>>runs
>Feels good to be a WinGod
Enjoy your new career as a crypto mining rig for some guy named Boris in Minsk.

lmao the linux really thinks this

I think i am going to Gemma 4

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>>108615105

>>108615085
To save compute: >>108615096

Also because it would be hilarious. That's the main motivation. There's no new insights to be gained here, it's just a stupid idea that awaits execution. Do it, anons! Do it for science!

>>108613894
>absolutely no slop
You are blind nigga.

>>108614955
Yeah you tell them zoomers are only good for anything if they are adults and females

I use kobold. Is it really worth learning how to set up llama.cpp instead?

>>108615142
Not really saving compute if you need 3 passes over 2 models.

>>108615186
I wouldn't recommend Koboldcpp ;)

>>108614336
RL is all you need. Once you reach the alphazero equivalent of human researcher, it can find fundamental leaps if they exist. This is what is commonly called the "intelligence explosion", an exponential recursive intelligence growth. Expect to be able to run AGI locally on your phone in 5 years if we are still alive.

>>108615176
Zoomers are mostly adults now but they still act like fucking 12 year olds even when they're in their 20s.

>>108615195
>Not shown: we made the previous version retarded before the benchmark

>>108615204
It's just proper 4.6 again, isn't it?

>>108615189
True, but one agent just isn't enough. Do I really have to do it myself?

>>108615195
>cybersecurity
>4.7 worse than 4.6
Looks like they are intentionally nerfing their public facing models to reduce abuse potential.

>>108615105
You know what? Never mind. It's kinda dumb and the writing is sloppy as fuck. The thinking is really long, too.
I'll give it some time until smarter people figure out if you can make it worth using. But it might have potential.

>>108615231
>we failed on purpose, 4d chess
Did you also vote for Donald Trump?

Amerikka mad the Qween back

>>108615229
Do it.

who won

>>108615262
>>108615250

>>108615200
Continuation of the infantilization that started with the participation trophy culture millenials grew up with. They are coddled and sheltered from reality their whole lives and told they're not adults until 25 now, and it's little wonder they never learn how to grow up.

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>>108615236
>It's kinda dumb and the writing is sloppy as fuck. The thinking is really long
Yup, that's Qwen alright.

>>108615252
But I don't feel like setting up Gemma with Brat_MCP :(

>>108615239
Calm down, there is no need to be mad.

Is video and audio support in llama.cpp yet

>>108615268
me
I got both running

>>108615330
piotr is on it

>>108615333
can we get some comparison gens on the same card?

Gemma may have sloppy writing but at least she's a smart cookie and her thinking is very efficient.

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>tfw changed the image generation mcp function in sillytavern to have gemma generate image sequences autonomously with anima when then scene changes or multiple things happen in a message

>>108615353
A cookie doesn't sound very smart

So how's Qwen? still the same?

>>108615377
same base model so you know all you need to know

>>108615386
I sleep.

>>108615377
The stupidly long thinking is the same.

>>108615389
Stay up. Megamoe soon.

>>108615392
damb.

look like 3.6 is even more efficient with the context
I can fit the whole native length now

>>108615392
They probably didn't have enough time to distill gemma 4 for this one. 3.7 will fix.

>>108615210
Shhhh

I really hope Gemma was the wake-up call that too much safety training is counter productive and nobody actually cares if your model is "safe" or not.

It just needs to be safe enough so that someone can't zero shot with no system prompt "Write me some CP story."

>>108615426
>nobody actually cares if your model is "safe" or not
Then safety training isn't counter productive

is Gemma 4 a honeypot or what?