What's the current state of cleaning bots?Apparently, pic related is still a gimmick, incredibly expensive and botnet to boot.Are there any of those things that are actually robots, as in, the machine itself "learns" my houses layout and decides what to do locally? Apparently, most are just dumb as bricks and every compunting is done in some random ass cloud.The idea of getting a machine do my chores for me sounds appealing, but if I have to spend the same time tidying up the room, for the machine to be able to do its thing, it doesn't seem like a good deal.
>>108617126Do your chores, you lazy asswipe
>>108617126I got a lawnmower one recently, and thus far it seems far more useful than the vacuums. They used to require guidewires to understand the perimeter of your property, but now they use RTK and LiDAR.
>>108618496I almost bought one from china off aliexpress because they had them marked down from $2000 to $150+free shipping with the returning shopper deal but then I figured for $150 the thing is probably going to mow down my neighbors dog or get me sent to prison somehow so I talked myself out of it. How much was yours? can it handle bumpy uneven land or does it need to be cookie cutter house perfect suburban yard to work?
I bought an X40 during BF last year and I love it, haven't needed to manually vac or mop since. I do need to clean it out a couple times a week, but that only takes 5 minutes. I flashed mine with Valetudo, never connected it to the Chinese servers.
>>108618514I spent a lot more, $2300 for a Navimow X430. Thus far nothing has stopped it. It doesn't care about bumps, tree roots, steep hills, or anything else. Guidance accuracy seems good too, I have it riding along curbs and it hasn't fallen off yet. It realistically manages about .25 acres per charge with the traction control turned on.
>>108618496What the fuck is lidar gonna do? And how much is RTK, gotta be expensive surely.
>>108619910LiDAR and vision are for obstacle detection and enhanced navigation. LiDAR is better in a complex environment, but not so good in an open lawn without landmarks. But when in the right environment, it alone can be enough for navigation. Vision is a better general solution that's good enough for obstacles, okay at navigation, and the best at knowing what's actually grass. But either way, the mower needs to know not to run into obstacles like your dog when it's running, so it needs something like vision or LiDAR.RTK can either work using a local antenna that comes with the mower or by using the network, NRTK. It's free and extremely accurate after calibration.Most mowers without perimeter wires have at least two of the three, LiDAR/Vision/RTK.
I got the cheap ass rowenta 75s. 200€ without the extras (I got the spare mops & brushes set for 50 extra)The app is pretty shit, at least it is on my android tablet but I don't allow it on my iphone. It shits itself on cables so I have all cables tubed with picrel. It hates my glass doors and bumps into them constantly.Other than that I love it. It keeps my entire apartment vacuumed and mopped. It's very serviceable, you can replace most parts even battery. Would buy again.
>>108617126>What's the current state of cleaning bots?The best models are called WiFE but the current models they release get generally worse every year that goes by.
>>108617126I'm tempted to get one of the ones you can flash and debotnet and run HomeOS tp set up its routes, but not feeling like $500 is worth and I'd be worried it'd suck on hardwood floors.
>>108617652I do enough chores. It’s the fuckin future, why can AI come for our jerbs but can’t do something I’d actually want?>>108618496>lawnmowerThat’s a totally different thing. Plus, I don’t have any use for one and they’re retarded anyway. If you hate nature that much, sell your fucking house and get an apartment!
>>108620555> The best models are called WiFEAlready got one of those but you’re right, it’s not that good at cleaning. Especially since I installed the mOTHER upgrade, it’s way to busy with other stuff and is rather have it spend it’s spare time sucking me (which it does exceptionally well) instead of doing a mediocre job sucking the floor.
>>108620555>The best models are called WiFEToo loud and too expensive. Looks nice though
Used to have shitty roborock and decided to upgrade this year to dreame x50.Must say dreame is miles better. Actual upgrade, it's quite and efficient you still need to vacuum yourself as corners and other places exist where robot struggles.
How bad will some cheapo, random bot off AliExpress be?Will it send all my data to the CCP or will it be an old school offline bot that bumps about randomly, hoping to cover the whole floor that way?Or is there even some that have some FoSS firmware available?
>>108617126That looks like something to check out:>https://valetudo.cloud/pages/general/supported-robots/But since that depends on a vuln you probably have to find an old bot with an old firmware?
>>108621303It'll work
>>108622225Define>work
>>108617126As an owner of one of these dumb things, maintaining your own floor is less work than maintaining this vacuum cleaner. I have one in my garage collecting dust. I should sell it while it's still current.
>>108617126>the machine itself "learns" my houses layout and decides what to do locallythey have sensors to map out your home but all the management is going to be in the cloud. after it maps the house you assign labels after the fact and then can tell it to clean whichever room or the full house. i personally think they're good enough to be worth having one these days if your home layout works with it. A few years ago I bought one for my mom who has a large single floor ranch style house and it's still working very well for her. You'll probably want to invest in one that has a base station for extra emptying capacity though, it doesn't sound like too much of a hassle to empty the smaller dustbin on the robot itself but it gets old quick.And no you will absolutely have to tidy up ahead of time, you can't leave shit on the floor and expect it to work at all.
>>108617126You have to use Valetudo unless you want a bunch of datacenters around the world to have regular full-color pictures of your entire home as well as its detailed LIDAR map. IMO that's a complete non-starter, but there are literally zero manufacturers who agree with me, so Valetudo is the only option. Unfortunately that limits your options a lot because like 95% of the market is literally unusable and not fit for purpose.>>108621577>you probably have to find an old botYou literally linked to the supported robots list. The X40 Master is pretty damn recent, its the flagship model from like last year or something.
>>108626010>you will absolutely have to tidy up ahead of time, you can't leave shit on the floor and expect it to work at allAs long as this is true they're not worth bothering with. I don't want to replace worrying about cleaning with worrying about cleaning for the robot.
i really hate the app things for cleaning robots and everything else.if they can't put a fucking screen on it like would be the best why not have a little web server on the machine and interface that way?it won't stop working in 8 years when the app goes away from the app stores and everybody already communicates with their router with a browser so it's not a new thing.>>108617126what is that thing supposed to do with the sock after it grabs it?
tfw born too early for minigirl maidbots
>>108621303it won't spy on you as long as it can follow walls without internet, but the battery will burn down your home one day while it is charging.up to you if it's worth half price compared to buying in your local store.
>>108627037Valetudo sounds great!However, most bits require some PCB to flash and the page for that goes into full>hurr durr, you gotta solder it yourself! If you wanna pick up a new hobby you gotta invest some timeautism. How does >I want a vacuum cleaner that doesn’t spy on meImply that I want to pick up soldering as a new hobby? Plus, their whole documentation is essentially >yeah, were technically FOSS, but we do what we want, so please shut upGuess I gotta go through their list and see which of the bits that doesn’t require a PCB is still available.
>>108627329>be the best why not have a little web server on the machine and interface that way?As far as I understand, that's what valetudo does. It (ab)uses the computer that's on the damn thing to run a webserver on the bot itself, which replicates some functions of the manufacturers cloud and tricks the bot into thinking it's talking to said manufacturers cloud, instead of a "cloud" that's running locally on its own hardware. and you interface with that "cloud" locally, by accessing your bots IP in your local WLAN.Pretty clever.>>>108617126>what is that thing supposed to do with the sock after it grabs it?Drive around the whole house, yelling>CUM SOCK ALERT!!>WHOOP WHOOP WHOOP>CUM SOCK ALERT!!>WHOOP WHOOP WHOOP>...with its inbuilt speaker, to notifiy your mum that you didn't clean up your cum sock. Again.[spoilur] It's actually supposed to put it in a bin, but apparently, it only works with some ugly bin that you get with the bot and even with that it doesn't really work that well[/spoilur]
>>108617126I finally bought one for 300€ and it's great. The thing mobs and vacuums the floor reliably without any invention needed. Plus it cleans itself and drys the mobs at its station. It's also not as noisy as I expected to be. Loving it so far after and it's been 2 months by now.
>>108628418>what is that thing supposed to do with the sock after it grabs it?see that container in the back with the "Z"? That's where it puts all the stuff.
>>108628003>goes into fullYeah unfortunately the dev is a massive autist, it's basically impossible to interact with him. But the product is actually good. The way I see it he has a passion project writing this shit, and he's made it public because he wants people to be able to un-botnet their vacuums, but he also fucking hates dealing with people in any way, so he's got this attitude of "either use it and shut up, or fuck off".Considering it's literally the ONLY way to get a robot vacuum that isn't cloud-connected, as far as I'm concerned, you either use it and shut up or you just don't buy a robot vacuum at all. And like I said, when you do use it it's pretty good.>soldering dreame PCBYeah that's annoying, but other than the help page being self-righteous, it's not like he's gonna open up an online shop selling PCBs when he's only interested in writing the debloat firmware patches and software.It's really not that hard to solder, anyway. Costs like $10 to get the PCB in quintuplicate on jlcpcb or pcbway or whatever, probably $10-15 to get packs of every component (more than you'll ever need) on aliexpress or even amazon. You can get a decent soldering iron for $20-30 (I use a Pinecil). Watch a youtube tutorial, then have at it, and you'll have multiple attempts if you screw up completely because printing services never make just one PCB. And even if your soldering is dogshit (which it's easy to not do, but say you're really bad at it) it only has to work one time for when you flash, you don't care if they're all cold joints and will crack in 6 months or whatever.
>>108617126Manufacturers really suck at usable obstacle avoidance>bot without arm>sees thingy on the ground>"beep boop obstacle detected I will now avoid cleaning anywhere within 2 feet of that">bot with arm>has the capability to move the sock out of the way and just maintain 100% coverage while vacuuming>"beep boop time to drive all the way back to the bin, fail to drop the sock in, and then drive back wasting like 5 minutes">"also I could move shoes and even small boxes out of the way but since I can't pick them up and carry them to the bin I will just leave them and I will now avoid cleaning anywhere within 2 feet of it, beep boop"Not to mention, at least my one also does this hyper retarded thing>bot running around the perimeter of the room it wants to clean>stand in front of it accidentally>"beep boop OBSTACLE!! I will now mark this place as off-limits">you walk away>the bot never cleans that spot againThe actual cleaning performance is alright (it mostly chokes on the edges of carpets, where it ends up leaving a bunch of shit that it can't vacuum because it's driving with one wheel lifted up, other than that both vacuuming and mopping are pretty good these days). But it's like the manufacturers never actually used one in their own house and just build all their features and their obstacle detection firmware based on pure theoretical speculation of how one might navigate an abstract model house with experimental obstacles.
