Is piracy ethical?
it depends
>>108618552>profitsunethical>sharing for freeabsolutely fine
>>108618552No, it's digital Kleptomania.
>>108618552I'd say if they gave me an option to buy that I would actually own the product? But most "buy" buttons I can click are actually on some tiny print "rent" and they can revoke my access whenever they want and it's heavily illegal for me to try to prevent that. So at best it's scamming a scammer, nobody is clean.>>108618570>klepto = stealingAlso, it's clearly NOT stealing. The damage caused by stealing is removing the item from the rightful owner. Copying it doesn't cause that harm. That's a fucking lie they tell to make you feel bad. Like I said, they're filthy unclean liars.
depends on the race/politics/etc of the person i'm pirating fromalso japs are faggot retards who refuse to sell their shit so they can get fucked
i don't care.
>>108618552profits?don't chumps know that they can get it from the same place the seller got it, and for free?frankly if people are that dumb then I think both pirates and publishers are both crooked
>>108618552It's always morally correct to pirate Adobe software.
>>108618552It is ethical for archival purposes. Like, there's been no reissue of the original version of The Stepford Wives since the days of DVD in 2004. That's ethical to pirate, as it cannot be purchased even if you wanted to.
>>108618639you haven't been able to pirate adobe for nearly a decade now
>>108618585>>klepto = stealing>Also, it's clearly NOT stealing. The damage caused by stealing is removing the item from the rightful owner. Copying it doesn't cause that harm. That's a fucking lie they tell to make you feel bad. Like I said, they're filthy unclean liars.
>>108618552>piracy: the act of attacking ships in order to steal from themby calling it piracy you're already presupposing harm and an actual crime, it's a really retarded term>the act of illegally copying a computer program, music, a film, etc. and selling itpiracy also assumes the copied content is sold, so piracy is always unethicalhowever, downloading and sharing content freely is fully ethical
>>108618552Jesus was a pirate.
>>108618552 (OP)If buying isn't owning then piracy isn't stealing. Also stop being a faggot.
>>108618552>will my imaginary friends think im a bad person
>>108618552If buying isn't owning then piracy isn't theft. And if you're not stealing there's no ethics issue.
>>108618657I pirated it last year.
>thing costs money to purchase>refuse to pay and obtain thing anywayThis is theft.
>>108618747okay sure. but now you have to prove that theft is bad. I dont think theft is bad if i am thieving from a person or persons i dislike. if i dont like you, you can get fucked. thats my philosophy
>>108618806Your logic is unassailable, my melanin enriched friend.
>>108618552>some random guy selling some random shit he made for like $5sure I'll buy it>popular movie made by 10,000 hollywood jews that all have 8 figure salariesI don't need to buy that
Depends. If there's no physical copy, I don't buy it. Simple as.
>>108618747If you're stupid enough to mold your business around a model where people can steal your shit effortlessly from the comfort of their own homes, you're a low IQ ape and you deserve to be gypped.
>>108618552>the word for "piracy" includes the character for "sea"lmaoI always found calling this "piracy" completely stupid, but it somehow feels even more ridiculous when the word for "pirate" is just the characters "sea thief."
>>108618552it's an ethical responsibility, an ethical must, even if you don't consume the slop yourself.conversely, to give globohomo or globomurdocho money is maximally immoral.
>>108618747You are stealing both real estate from my sight, and thought power from my brain. I charge for both. Where should I mail my parcel?
>>108618696see >>108618865new contextual usage of words can change their connotations, and even possibly their meaning over time.a ironic case in point, the Arabic word shater/شاطر (original plural: shuttar/شٌطّار) originally meant thief. but as the legend have it, when the shuttar used to fuck with the crusaders and their supply chains a lot, the word's meaning turned over time into meaning shrewd/smart/industrious.there is no context where i would consider so called "digital piracy" morally questionable. it's connotations should in fact be considered exclusively positive. and even literal piracy in the high seas against global tyranny (political and economical alike) would be welcome by me.
>>108618945you are advocating for lesser humans to go wild and rampant, you have no idea what you're talking about
>>108618552No, but pirating Japanese media is.
>>108618862it's theft (air quotes) in a large, unregulated and open space, precisely because it's a dangerous area and there's no systems in place to apprehend perpetrators. Sounds like piracy to me, it's a product of the environment
>>108619083I'm really sorry for your loss. I hope the coastguard will find the people who stole your things, recover the stolen things, and return them to you, so you can have again the things that were stolen.
>>108618552No but I don't care.
>>108618552I wish piracy WAS harmful to companies, I wish every torrent download incurred a direct loss on the companies, but they're just crying because they're claiming money they would've never had regardless of whether piracy exists or not
>>108618966are globohomo and globomurdocho the upper humans?
>>108618552Digital items have no finite number. It is impossible to steal them thus it is ethical.
>>108619210the upper humans are those that can see why piracy is unquestionably immoral
>>108619227Resources were used to create the digital item in the first place. It's not unreasonable to ask for compensation for the resources used to create the digital item plus a reasonable profit.
>>108619260I don't think it's ethical to sell shit you have infinite number of. Sure some profit is expected but at some point it's just greed.
>>108619260>It's not unreasonable to ask for compensationYes I agree.However, it's also not unreasonable to spend the least amount of money in order to obtain something. In this case 0 dollars for sharing a game.
>>108619260what if the product is shit and no one wants to buy?is it illegal to not buy since the company hasn't made a profit yet?
>>108618552>the people who drawed the anime frames got paid once already by the time I watched the seriesI say yes
>>108619228"upper humans" don't indulge in circular reasoning like the retard you are
>>108619260>gta 5 came out 12 years ago>gta 5 cost around $300 million to make and market >gta 5 did $1 billion in sales in the first three days >between game sales and the shark cards for gta online it's made $10 billion in revenue >gta 5 is still $30So where's the reasonable part come in?
>>108619472how is it circular reasoning to call thieves trash and non-thieves not trash?
>>108618552Piracy is one thing, charging for pirated content is worthy of a hanging.
>>108618747Nigga I pay for shit, da fucc u talkin about nigga fo real, cap-ass nigga you think I get FREE INTERNET nigga? You betta wise up nyukka imma take whatever I want I pay the bills nigga. Fuck ass jewing me fo sum 1s and 0s n shit, u got me fucked up nigga. You want me to pay twice? TWICE, NIGGA?! Das some ol bullshit. Fuck it ain't nuffin nigga but some images on a damn PC monitor(2x 32" 4K HDR 144hz NIGGAAAAAAA!) I take dat shit all day nigga, skreet up.Cappin out payin fo ones and zeros, HEELLLLLLLL NOOOO! Lootin and scootin nigga!
>>108618552>ethicalThat word's a spook.
>>108619484>how is it circular reasoning to call baddies baddiesis it jeet hours already
>>108618552Reference arbitration clauses for why I do not give a single fuck about the damage I do by pirating everything. If they don't have one now they will eventually.
>>108618806Dislike isn't enough to justify theft you have to account for what that person/company is actually doing with the money you spend on them to decide whether it's immoral or not. for instance you can know that the money you spend on college is actually immoral because those colleges and universities funnel that money into war contractors and arms manufacturers and then they obviously start/maintain/participate in unjust wars, so by going to college you're participating in the cycle and could technically justify scamming/thieving from them since you'd be doing good by removing that cash from that cycle. It's honestly safe to say the same about majority of big companies since they all do this bullshit but you can't just say 'oh he's a dickhead so stealing from him is right'
>>108619723that insult is literally circular reasoning
Lucifer literally cracks his own content and submits it to the torrenting sites. Yeah figure that one out. What’s a fitgirl repack. He loves cuckolding, he gets all the tight and has to torture us to suicide to pay off his debts.
>>108618559FOSS is a digital commune of hippies.
>>108619750Flawed. A college degree is not easily pirated. A movie is. It's actually more convenient these days to pirate a movie than it is to buy one. Explain the procedure to pirate a degree. Stupid fuck.
Why would I pay when I get a better experience for free?
>>108618552Of course not. Hijacking ships on the open seas is never ethical.Neither is "copyright infringement", which you mean by saying piracy in this context. But it's not theft and I'm still gonna do it
>>108619765looks like you are really really slow.let's play with some history since there is zero chance you will put two and two together on your own:was it unethical to "steal" all the weapons stored in the bastille?
>>108618552With everything moving towards subscriptions, yeah. Paying in perpetuity for a single product they can EOL or revoke at any time is beyond retarded.
>>108619825Why does he do it? Is he enjoying it? Never got the full story on this cat. Where do I find more.
>>108619903>yes, downloading this song IS the same as storming the capitoland to answer your nonsensical question, yes it is unethical, categorically so
>>108619903that has genuinely nothing to do with either meaning of "piracy", you intentionally misleading shitter
>>108619928a cat is fine toocatisfinetoo
>>108618557/thread
>>108619789>Explain the procedure to pirate a degree.Be Indian. Pay for a fake degree. Use it to get a job that pays more than what your entire village is worth. Get hit by a train.
>>108619998okay.is the very existence of globomurdocho ethical?
>>108620032of course, as much as the existence of gobbledygookmooks!
>>108618552BothPiracy is ethical for preservation because corporations won't do itPiracy is unethical for breaking the output>compensation cycle because it disincentivises creation >Uhh well actually all output should be freeOK then don't consume paid output
>>108619932that makes you at least a seemingly consistent goy bootlicker (or maybe you wish everyone is from the other side)
>>108620049not doing piracy hardly gives actual creators anything. if you send them literally 1/20 of the price of the product directly, you would be literally/mathematically have given them more that buying stuff. this is even more egregious in e.g. the mainstream music market with the big labels. now, it logically follows that "hardly anything" is still > 0 in any case. but the big issue here is where most of the money actually goes, and that's the part the intellectually dishonest (or clinically retarded) are not touching.
>>108620076OK then we agree piracy without giving back to creators is unethical
>>108620179piracy is unethical by definition, dummydownloading and sharing a movie for free isn't though
>>108618585>Also, it's clearly NOT stealing. The damage caused by stealing is removing the item from the rightful ownerYou're stealing the pay they would receive. Its the same reaspn turnstile hopping is theft. If you have sex with a prostitute and sneak off without paying, you're stealing her services. If an employer underpays their staff, it's wage theft.
>>108618552>implying big corps care about creators
>>108620220>stealing the pay they would receivenow you're arguing that you have a claim on my money and that had X thing not existed I would've given you money, good job>nooo, I didn't predict my sales wrong, it's your fault I'm not selling anything
>>108620196>let's go back to circular reasoningloli hear big media literally pays people to do this crap. could they have found /g/eets to be a relevant target audience? doubtful. but it is plausible that some HR firm is doing this to justify some useless payments lol
>>108618552I like your image, it clearly states not to buy pirates copies- thats totally a fair assertion that (1,-1) . But if your just downloading to watch yourself than (1,0) so your not harming creators, in fact you benefit them when you share knowledge and shill their content- should we de demand advertizing revenue if we choose to share knowledge of their video? By their contorted logic its easy to construe that we experience a financial loss when doing so for free
>>108620265since you're so slow, I'll indulge you>unethical: any action that breaks rulespiracy is by definition unethicalyou should be asking about if it is immoral or not, idiot
>>108620179no. many creators are also themselves unethical and don't deserve anything. zog runs deep in the chain.deservant should get directly supported, without intermediaries, and as a general appreciation, not per-digital-copy payments. this would also help slowing down the race to the bottom when it comes to the art itself and the actual quality and variation of it, instead of it being mostly unskilled glorified whores doing derivative crap over and over again.
>>108620278>he thought he got somewhere with the word "rules"lol
>>108618945Motherfucker I just read 3 pages of this shit and can find no mention of stealing from the Crusaders. WHY IS THE ORIGIN OF SHATER 10+ PAGES LONG? بطيخ اصفر!https://usul.ai/t/asl-kalimat-shatir/1
>>108620196>piracy is unethical by definitionPreserving media that would otherwise be lost is ethical, no?
>>108620286Yeah OK next time you pirate a marvel movie I'm sure you're doing it for the advancement of the art
>>108620401no. that would be an explicit anti-zog move per >>108618865
>>108620297it looks like the original meaning is more generic than "thieving". it describes trouble makers not living a straight life, and being split/away from their families.https://shamela.ws/book/1687/2368https://shamela.ws/book/7030/6207and do note that i attributed the new meaning to legend. i don't know if it's actually historically accurate.
>>108618552Yes.
It dependsIf paying bring shit like drm, ads ect... Then it's normal to pirate
>>108620483Maybe its a western capitalist way of thinking but WHY THE FUCK?Why is it wrong to sell thing if people still want...thing?
>>108618552>ethicalEthics doesn't matter.The only real things are fire, blood, steel.
>>108619706I would've respected him more but his hairline is too shit for me to care
>>108618570I agree
>>108619139The first good post
>>108620220>You're stealing the pay they would receive.Really? Why doesn't my bank account move when every time I pirate something then
If you couldn't or wouldn't buy the digital product if you had to pay, then they are losing no money.
>>108620450That makes more sense, I already knew the "shatran" meaning from the Qur'an
>>108620220Labor is not the same as digital media.
>>108620514And Black wind!
>>108618552Maybe, I've got a handful of shows that no longer exist due to being purged for bullshit reasons like a tax write off
>>108620672You do know labor goes into the creation of the product. You are still stealing labor which makes it the same as those examples.
