My degree only requires calc 1 and I'm worried I'm gonna fail these next two exams lol

you two are both fucking stupid, calculus is completely trivial and in most countries isn't even considered college level

If you can't pass Calc 2, you will never have the mojo needed to trudge through the CS job market. Try plumbing.

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>>108623529
You're missing the point of higher education. It's not a coding bootcamp where the primary goal is to teach you to work and get you a job. Higher education is a machine that separates humans and animals. An animal would fail Calculus 2, for it cannot master it. A human will ace any course.

if you fail calc 2 twice it should be an indicator that this line of work is not for you
try HVAC, I hear there's good money to be made there

>>108623552
How do you measure this, stupid? Is it in the room with us right now?

>>108623565
How? Will this make your shit NextJS project that you vibecoded more valuable to the job market? Maybe it needs that curve that you need from Calculus 2. Oh yeah I'll use Claude to replace that knowledge, and outsource it if needs be. So how is Calculus 2 useful again?

>>108623565
Unlike with CS, with plumbing he can actually get a job.

>>108623574
The point of higher education is to get you into debt.

>>108623606
Arguing against the existence of intelligence on /g/ will not help you pass your course or get a job.

>>108623574
But animal can be better at certain jobs. It can do some that even a human can't. Quite a dilemma. Maybe the system needs to be fixed.

>>108623529
Why the fuck are you studying CS in 2026?

>>108623621
Yes, but it does give me some insight on how Calculus 2 matter in the CS field. in which you are failing to prove.

>>108623606
He's not wrong. Even in the US some places go up to calc 3 for highschoolers. Outside the US calc 1 is like a highschool freshman course on average, and occasionally offered to gifted middleschoolers. If you're having issues with calculus, just do something else. You're genuinely ngmi as a programmer. Your brain isn't capable of understanding complex ideas and CS is way harder than calculus.

>>108623624
>But animal can be better at certain jobs.
Absolutely. You got filtered out, so go do those jobs and enjoy your life. Get those ladies, stud.

>>108623627
Because it's the best time to when every HN-browsing software "engineer" is willingly rotting their brain and turning themselves into incompetent retards via LLMs? The number of people who can actually competently program in the world is currently rapidly decreasing.

>>108623634
College is not vocational training.

There's a minimal amount of hours that are needed for a degree so they tend to toss whatever seems relevant to the field

>>108623648
But the thing is that I am in the middle of the animal and human area. And I'm forced to comply with whatever guidelines the higher up decides. So if an animal wants to have a human quality, yet it failed at certain aspect in which is so significant, and yet it still makes them accomplish more than a typical human. Why are they the one being filtered? If anything the human should be filtered. This is Animal Farm all over again.

>>108623655
Then what the hell is it? I just want degree man to be done with it, and most things that I got out of college are mostly just experiences and connections. A degree is crucial because it opens many opportunity, but I need Calculus 2 to get such a degree.

It's a miracle anyone survives K-12 education. It is truly worthless.

>>108623606
You're an IQcel. Plumbing is more your speed.

I'm a master of cockulus.

>>108623635
And your point being? You don't need to learn Anatomy 101 just to do art. All logical are there for specialist, in which I'm not. I can do a lot more things, and I'm great at it, I can do programming and combined those knowledge into one. I'm a senior, this Calculus 2 is the only thing that's standing in my way. And your argument doesn't prove.

>>108623691
Ah. So this is how a specialist respond. I might lack the IQ if you deem me as such, maybe I'm not slow. Maybe I'm fast. Maybe I'm way too fast, and isn't compatible with your normie kind.

attendance doesn't mean shit in college. you're meant to master the material by yourself it's not high school

>>108623529
Dunno. I did Electrical Engineering and took Calc 3 and Diff EQ. Got a job doing web development and make $300,000/yr now. I haven't had to write a function that so much as does addition/subtraction in 10 years, much less integrals and derivatives.

>>108623529
>Can anyone of you graduated intellect and professors red pill me on why this fucking course matter for CS
because programming is about problem solving. If you can't solve problems then you're a shit comp scientist and programmer. That's the difference between someone that can manage projects and an indian h1b hire.

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>>108623529
>and women just by passing this one course
I snatched the class hottie by shattering her ego by mogging her and the rest of the class by trivially acing tests they had to retake several times to barely pass.
Become the reason of everyone's impostor syndrome.

>>108623741
It does here, it's 10 points here if you attend all class, and other 10 points if you submit all the assignments.

>>108623741
>has never actually attended college
almost all of my classes deduct a percentage point from your grade for every class you miss

>>108623757
Brother, the only thing Calculus 2 is solving in this case is completely irrelevant to my use case. If you go to the store looking for sweet apples but it's bundled with Granny Smith apple, are you going to be the chud and fucking go with it just for that apple to not be used and rot away anyway? You say it's about solving problem, I just think that pointless exercise is not part of the problem solving. Maybe it proves that I'm capable of complex calculation, but that alone what am I?

>>108623764
>>108623764
that sounds retarded and yes I have attended college its almost always lecture based
attendance is for remedial classes idk i never had to take those in college

>>108623757
95% of the time you're just gluing things together thoughbeit
The problems you gotta solve often do not require more than 1 year of training unless you're aiming for a highly specialized field

>>108623798
>the only thing Calculus 2 is solving in this case is completely irrelevant to my use case
no it's not. I would much rather trust a logical person that's good at abstraction, problem solving, and good with numbers/calculations for managing important projects. This was the entire point behind a comp sci degree because programming by itself never required a degree, anyone can learn to program in just a few months max but being able to solve problems and think outside of the box is what differentiates a good programmer from a bad one and this was the entire reason companies paid big money.
Even today companies will shill out money for talented programmers and then the people under them are usually h1b hires they have to manage that learned to program (like everyone in india does) but can't actually program very well.
>>108623819
ye that's why the tech field has so much h1b abuse now. Many companies realized they don't actually need talented programmers when they can just use cheaper foreign labor. It's great if you're from the third world but horrible the other way around. You need to be talented to stand out now in a lot of cases.

>>108623757
i thought everyone just used AI code now. where does problem solving even come in in regards to calculus considering the AI can do it damn near perfectly.

>>108623819
This, and not once did I have to use calc to do it.

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no really though, how do integrals and derivatives help you with programming? can't think of any data structure that needs it

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>>108623864
This is literally 1:1 game programming question in calculus homework I had

>>108623843
The thing is that a logical person alone can only do so much. I've a friend who's a logical person, while yes they can plan, do system architect, they do not have the initiative, they are good at their job and yet they do not innovate because they rely on these established beliefs. They need to be given a task to be efficient. While my friend's system works efficiently, without my help making it intuitive and intriguing, it's boring. Collaboration is great, but a technician doesn't do all.

>>108623874
ok nevermind, i forgot that physics programming needs all the math. ironic since i remember in middle school the guys saying math classes are worthless since they planned on becoming game developers

>>108623864
I asked this to a guy who made software for some finances agency. In 5 years he had a single instance where the solution kind of resembled integrals. Don't ask me for details because not even him could quickly explain it.
At that point you're better off grabbing a book, get the solution for the project then forget about it for the next 5 years, if you ask me.

>>108623874
Most of the time you won't be that critical to the math, especially if you are an indie dev, and even in the triple A scene. You just adjust a few things, Oh that shit works, and go with it. This is retarded, and I should know because I sound retarded.

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>>108623529
>Can anyone of you graduated intellect and professors red pill me on why this fucking course matter for CS
Bitching about how useless whatever it is that you're being forced to learn as if you were some high-school kid won't fix anything, won't convince anyone to hand you a degree, won't make you more likely to pass if you attend once again and will, as a matter of fact, make you bitter, so cut that shit off
Honestly, I don't even know why you're pursuing CS if you're not mathematically inclined. I will not tell you that you are inept beyond hope or anything like that, but CS is a branch of mathematics which entails much more than just coding well, and if you can't force yourself to like calculus (or perform acceptably in it despite hating it), you'll be absolutely miserable when it's time to prove correctness and complexity for algorithms, which is essential CS shit, and involves asymptotic analysis on plenty of cases so you'll still be fucking around with limits.
>Will this make your shit NextJS project that you vibecoded more valuable to the job market? Maybe it needs that curve that you need from Calculus 2. Oh yeah I'll use Claude to replace that knowledge, and outsource it if needs be. So how is Calculus 2 useful again?
I'll throw that right back at you, what makes you think you'll ever be valued in a job market while competing with a billion guys just like you who want to earn 6 figures coding with Claude but aren't willing to go through the math courses? Better yet, why are you even pursuing a degree if Claude is just soooo good and makes all that college shit trivial if not useless? Do you seriously believe you'll be able to land a job if Claude can do Calculus and then some, which you're suggesting it can, while you can't?

>>108623914
>>108623906
If you're just retreading well known ground, some googling skills was all you needed to be able to do quite a lot with just high school math background.
But if you want to be able to actually invent something new, a solid math background can be incredibly helpful and very rewarding. Or at least gives you an even better understanding of what to search for, if you know what kind of solutions are even possible.

if i may ask, how did you fail despite submitting all homework and attending? exams? is it like a conceptual understanding problem? or a "i hate grinding this bs when i could be doing something real and tangible" problem?

i think the calc courses implant fundamental lenses through which to view the world usefully and actionably... like, being able to do integration (which is just following a bunch of rules that you train yourself to see as second nature) makes you not shy away from...solving problems that require those techniques. it gives you like, a language to describe that type of scenario. i would treat it as such honestly--like, are you capable of getting your brain to wrap its tentacles around problems with a calculus shape and actually make something of use with them? cuz that skill is basically what cs is all about (figuring out ways to compute stuff optimally to solve problems)... if you don't like it and makes you wanna kill yourself, you should just change majors while you still can

>>108623958
You do not need a solid math background to invent, having all that knowledge installed on your brain takes up space. When you need something done that requires specific set of knowledge, you learn it on the spot, skip the step A to Z that takes times consumption and learn only the necessary. Sure I won't be able to invent fancy 3D graphics engine, but is anyone actually inventing one alone with no collaboration? Of course not, that's elite MIT people's job.

>>108623983
>Of course not, that's elite MIT people's job.
who do you think is going to end up taking the 3 positions available in today's job market nigga

>>108623967
I have never been good at complex math. Anything too deep that doesn't keep me hooked up on it just doesn't keep me engaged enough to study. There were many things going on and everything require time and effort, I do understand math when I actually commit to it but the class fails to keep me engaged even with meds. There are so many things I had to handle at that time with very little time to study for exams, I tried my best. Though I'm submitting a dispute for this. Math Formulas are like alien language to me, and the documents for it doesn't help either, everything is abstracted, nothing was to the point, I never get hooked on it because the length of reward is too far apart from each point. I don't know what to do honestly, I'll just enroll again for the third time and do my best.

>>108623958
I won't say that math is useless but I feel like you only need calculus 1 for most tasks. Also, on a similar vein to what >>108623983 says, if you need X, you learn X. I struggled with the calculus class, but when I tried to understand machine learning and physics applied to a small physics engine, everything was easy as shit to get.
I'm not sure if I should blame the way they teach or how abstract they make it, to the point where you can't reason about it in terms of what you already know, or if I'm just a brainlet.

>>108623998
Apparently not you

>>108623529
You can just numerically integrate virtually anything you'll ever see in your life, but understand why you are integrating and what the result means is important. Higher education is more about giving you general tools and you have to understand how to use them instead of just telling you exactly what you should be doing like a trade school or bootcamp.

>>108623983
>that's elite MIT people's job
A lot of the most important AI researchers are from normal universities, but they were crazy enough to dedicate their lives to studying something that might not have paid out. Not many people would join an AI company in 2015 when they could be earning 5x in any webdev position at faang

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>>108624028
don't need it, im self employed for a bit now.

>>108623529
how can you fail calculus?
are you like... retarded, or something?>>108623606
in some cs jobs you might need it and in others you might not
that isn't the point
the piece of paper you seek, which tells employers to hire you, acts as a lower intelligence bound
you may not need calculus
but if you are not able to learn it, then you are not able to make decisions as efficiently and learn things as quickly as those who can, which are your competitors in the job market
do you understand?
studying calculus acts as an IQ and alignment test for your chosen field of work and your university acts as the certifier
if you cannot pass, you chose wrong
get good tutoring or choose a different industry, lest you humiliate yourself in failing a third time

>>108623574
Is Grigori Perelman an animal because he got filtered from academics by the retarded hylics social circle jerk?
You are a stupid big black gorilla nigger and not conscious or sapient

>>108624044
That's good for you anon. I'm happy for you.

>>108623967
And it's possibly because of how I see things, I have never respected the point a to point b approach, I'm so used to doing things on the spot, with no guidelines, and Calc is the opposite of that. I understand Linear Algebra, but Calc is strict, so many procedure I had to register, there are no leg room for mistake and experiment. I think if I enroll again I'll probably try to learn it more through from fundamental. A lot of concept do slip out of my mind, sometimes I'd not know what a sigma does, even now, I do know about it a week ago though.

>>108624095
Lmao. Perelman is a PhD, not a fucking moron who failed Calculus 2.

>>108624076
How is it an IQ and alignment test if everything is going on at once with no amount of time for you to allocate to study such course? The paper favor those who are in the middle, it doesn't favor people below, or above either. I hope you know that.

>>108623954
I don't need job anon, I do my own things and projects, I just need Calc to graduate, that's like the entire point.

AI already deprecated you anyways

>>108624117
How many Perelmans do you think are sitting in their basements grinding HOI4 at this moment in time because they would an hero before dealing with people?
>>108624129
Believe it or not, there are people who study what you study, feel no pressure, ace everything with minimal effort and play video games in the free time they get.
If you want to compete, make sacrifices, or gtfo.

>>108623529
Bold of you, as a calc2cel, to call people code monkeys doing to do list websites.

>>108624144
so you
>doesnt want a degree to land a job
>is clearly uninterested in the research side of things
why the fuck do you want a degree

>>108624155
And your point being? I've seen those people you mentioned go fucking no where in life. I've seen people with perfect GPAX and yet they can't even git. Maybe you should do more things to widen your perception.

>>108623606
Why would someone hire you and not a dude that passed calculus? Why are you even in uni if you just go a le vibecode everything anyway?

>>108624168
To gtfo? With a degree I can get more things. More opportunities that are reserved for the people who has degree. VC gatekeeps fundraising and campaign to the fucking degree chasers. And degrees are extremely valued in where I live.

>>108623619
ever seen an animal paying off debt?

>>108624182
Because I do things with no logical standards, I fail fast and I fix fast and I've achieved far more from it this way.

>>108624155
>How many Perelmans do you think are sitting in their basements grinding HOI4 at this moment in time because they would an hero before dealing with people?
None. Your schizoid image of him comes from those 3 youtube videos you've watched about him.

>>108624188
then hit the books harder because acting like some big shot programmee when you're filtered by calc2 and complaining like a bitch wont get you anywhere

>>108624232
I was upset so I just made a thread about it to contemplate. I'll hit the book but right now I want to let myself go just for tonight anyway.

>>108623529
I'm really sorry for you. I would be getting ragebaited so hard if this was my thread. Stay strong anon. If it makes you feel better, I got my cs degree and am unemployed as fuck righty now.

>>108624325
Thank you. I hope you do well too.

>>108623730
It is an attrition class designed to filter brainlets who can't do CS before too many resources are invested in them. The problem is you are treating your CS degree like a job program at a VoTech. It isn't that. It isn't designed to produce wagies who shuffle around corporate slop code and stitch together frameworks all day. If that's all you want to do, drop out of the degree program and take a Java bootcamp.

you can just take calc II or even III at community college where its watered down heavily. Why didn't you do this?

>>108623529
If I can pass this and calc 3 and 4, you can too. Calc is something you can learn on your own, you don't need class. The answer doesn't change. Nor does the language.

>>108624367
An attrition class? Are you serious? A CS degree should evaluate more thoroughly. Comparing it to a bootcamp is an insult. It's flawed, and evaluate mainly on GPA and less on actions. You design the System Architecture on paper, and yet most will still struggle scaling in cloud operations. If you have a CS degree, I'd expect you to be able to do cool things, and from what I've seen, it's far from that, every intern that has perfect GPAX are so fucking stale here.

>>108624373
Even if I do take calc 2 and 3, I'd still need a stronger fundamental to be able to pass. I'm that fucked.

>>108624383
I hate it when the answer doesn't change... I'll do my best anon!

>>108623529
>Failing Calculus
You never learned Algebra

>>108624546
>You never learned Algebra
What if I did but I always keep forgetting the smallest details? Should I just study harder then?

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>>108623529
You need to practice more. Unironically use Chatgpt to give you practice problems and intuition on the concepts so you aren't just brute forcing your way through with rote learning. What specifically do you struggle with? Calc 2 is the first math course that expects you to really understand how to do everything yourself and figure out the method for which you should go about solving problems instead of it being given to you, so it is a filter in that sense.

>>108624574
You totally should, but there are too many side quests to do so that will benefit you in the longer run. You should just barely scrape by and refine them later, after all who the fuck would look at your gpax when recruiting you?

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>Calc 2
I remember one dude in college who spent most of his time autistically solving a shit ton of integrals for fun. He was pretty useless in labs though.

>>108624636
I struggle about everything. Formulas, symbols and math rules. Most of the time I just do my study in the last 4-5 days, just to get the initial concept of it rather than solving it. I did use chatgpt to make it for dummy. Though calc does require some dedication to it.

>>108624509
>You design the System Architecture on paper, and yet most will still struggle scaling in cloud operations.
You can learn this in about four hours from a bootcamp, or even just YouTube videos. CS is not cloud architecture. It is a niche field of mathematics. Undergrad exists to prepare you for grad school. Again, you seem like you want a jobs program at a VoTech and a degree isn't that.

>>108623529
Calc 2 is just an IQ test.
You failed.

>>108623653
This is extreme monumental cope.
The number of "competent" programmers is decreasing exactly proportional to the demand for competent programmers.
1 competent programmer has the same output as 10 did in 2022.

>>108624191
Yes.

>>108624509
The problem is CS degrees vary drastically. Some colleges take it very seriously where you need to apply to their CS degree specifically and they only take a limited amount of applicants. Other colleges half-ass it so hard that graduates come out not knowing how to program.

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I passed calc 2 the first time I took it and I still didnt graduate and am still poor and working bottom tier jobs at 29

>>108623587
HVAC is very good money. I suggest commercial HVAC.

>>108623529
Just read Calculus Made Easy and pass the class you tard

>>108623529
I didn't pass Linear Algebra until the 3rd attempt. I never used any of the concepts from it. Some courses are just obstacles, nothing more.

>>108623529
go take calc 1 again bro, obviously you're missing some fundamentals. how do yu plan on passing calc 3?

>>108625352
seems like you dont work with graphics or AI

>>108624018
>>108624097
>>108624663

when you ask chatgpt or claude about it, you should just keep spamming it with dumb questions about everything that doesn't make sense to you (make sure you ask it stuff like "so you're saying it's like _____?" or "so it's just ____? ok but what about ___, what is that about" "i thought it was ___ but you keep calling it ___, am i understanding it wrong?"

i take it you also watch like all the youtube videos where people explain it and whatnot? it kinda sucks that yeah, it takes doing the actual problems for it to actually stick in your brain, so it really is all about convincing yourself to just patiently do (at least some of) the homework, and asking claude/chatgpt what you're missing for specific problems when you get stuck (and try to make sure you ask any questions if what they say doesn't make sense, otherwise it'll just slide right off your brain). like, literally screenshot or take pics of the work and ask it where you're going wrong & make sure you feel like "oh right holy shit i'm an idiot" so your brain remembers

i also get the sense that... math is the kinda thing where if you're at the point where it feels pointless the deeper and more abstract it gets, you should 100% throw yourself into like... community learning (like tutoring sessions or like study groups), that way you feel like you *have* to catch up and *have* to ask questions and *have* to not get easily frustrated, so that you don't feel like an idiot around other people, and then you'll have the instant reward of being like "ohhhhhhhh I GET IT NOW" around other people who also went through the same thing when they were getting it. human nervous system hack

>>108625468
also calc ii is one of those courses where you get like 10 rules at a time and you have to make sure you: 1) write them down, 2) label them usefully, and 3) group them usefully (and label the group usefully), cuz a lot of the time for calc ii problems it's just about remembering the right rule from the right group of rules (it gets a lot easier the more you do it, believe it or not, as insane and unbelievable as it may sound)

also... imagine how attractive you could look if you could confidently do these problems.......... it's all about good reps though

>>108623529
It literally doesn’t, it’s literally just a filter to see if you can handle the logic and whatnot

>>108624201
fix your calc 2 faster

>>108623529
>why this fucking course matter for CS.
i had to take through calc 4, linear algebra, and discrete math. ended up as a webdev and the most math I use is roughly zero as I staple backend frameworks together half the time and fiddle with CSS the other half.
Two things though: CS is potentially the same degree path someone would take who actually does use a bunch of fiddly math to do big boy important work rather than bullshit to get a paycheck, and there's also value in it being difficult for its own sake to prove you're not a dummy and teach you how to "learn how to learn".

>>108623529
Drop out of that CS gay shit. That tranny shit is useless, we have AI nowadays. Pick up a trade and man up, faggot

>>108623684
you sound like an insufferable faggot

>>108624785
Which one?

>>108625866
Nah you do

>>108623529
Calc 2 is a filter, you are obviously not good enough.

>>108623545
Consider studying something else. Calc I is just the study of funny slopes in equations and then drawing the area underneath them, over and over in slightly different flavors.

>>108623529
>can't plug and chug calc 2
>thinks they can plug and chug data structures
Sorry anon, it seems Calc 2 is your weed out level. You're just too lazy or too low IQ.

>>108626195
it's definitely laziness. i'm a retard and passed the class with A first try. if you do most of the exercises in the textbook you'll find that the exam is easy, just takes time.

calc 2 is easy as fuck. literally easier than calc 1 and easier than pre-calc. this has to be a bait thread.

>>108626315
>literally easier than calc 1
Honestly, I can see this. The hardest part are the integrals and as long as you practice the techniques, you'll be able to quickly solve any of them instantly. After that, it was just series and then stuff with polar coordinates, matrices, and vectors which are less taxing than the beginning. Calc 2 is absolutely not easier than pre calc though, pre calc was mostly trig and logarithms.

>>108626468
90% of undergraduate calculus is memorization. Pre-calc introduces every concept used. It's definitely cognitively more challenging than rote retard shit.

>>108623529
Nigga it's just math.
you have to take Calc 3 and diffeq too probs idk how it is for cs majors but all stem have to take at least till Calc 2

>>108623529
Stop whining and just do it, you sound like a child "When am I ever going to use this"
I graduated with a math degree and barely use any of it but that's not the point of the degree

>>108623529
Lots of research show that attending school increases your chances of failing the class, you should have spent that time studying.

why didn't you just ask your local language model to explain calculus to you in simple terms?

>>108626483
>rote memorization
is that why every retard says that calculus is easy? i've been busting my brain trying to wrap my head around why shit works the way it does. it's no fun to mindlessly plug and chug.

>>108626674
What are you having trouble with? Intuitively, limits, derivatives and integrals aren't too tough to grasp. Actually solving problems can be annoying when you first start out though.

>>108626684
multivariable and vector calculus. mostly about the gradient and conservative vector fields and how their line integrals are independent of the path you take. i have pieces, but not the whole picture.

>>108626878
Oh, you were talking about Calc 3. Yeah, it can be tedious.

>>108626674
>my brain trying to wrap my head around why shit works the way it does.
You know that doesn't exist right
"understanding" doesn't exist. You either practice over and over until it's familiar or you don't do anything at all.

>>108623529
>Can anyone of you graduated intellect and professors red pill me on why this fucking course matter for CS.
I do information systems design, both from a programming angle and from the human angle (designing processes and protocols for people).
I was writing some white papers for this recently where I was creating statistical models for different data sources. Not to write functions that provide outputs, but just to establish the correct heuristics to evaluate data sources.
I used Stats 2 (various probability distributions) and Calc 1 (derivatives, integrals, limits).

But I think the biggest thing, as everyone has said, is that computer science is about problem solving. The various math domains provide additional tools for problem solving. Sure, some of those tools are rather niche, and the vast majority of your work will just be basic arithmetic and algorithms. But if you aren't even aware a particular kind of tool exists (even if you can't use it yourself!), you will miss entire ways of solving problems.
Like the first time you are told to rotate an object in three dimensions, so you bang out some naive 3-angle solution, assume it works, and bam, it gimble-locks in production. If you did your fucking Calculus and Linear Algebra, you'd know Quaternions are the tool for the job (even if you don't remember how to use them, you'd at least know to find a library that implements it).

>>108626674
Most of undergrad Calc 1 is very simple plug and chug. It's at its most complicated and annoying at the very beginning when you have to fuck with the limit definition of a derivative. The rest of it through to the end is formulaic.

If you don't know your trig identities it will fuck you up the ass unless it's Business Calc or Life Sciences Calc (not real calculus courses)

t. Taught AP Calc to high school juniors and seniors a lifetime ago.

>>108627075
i don't agree at all. there's more to understanding than just practicing. you have to know the theory.

>>108627300
lol
the entire world is being taken over by indians that do not know the theory behind stuff and simply excel at rote memorization of problems and solutions.

I'm in my 30s so I will give you kids the most boomer of takes as it's been more than a decade since I graduated.

I noticed that I needed to find a subject genuinely interesting for me to pass it. So I actually went ahead and learned the history of mathematics, the actual characters involved (Newton, hooke, leibniz) and how they independently invented calculus, why the invented the tool in the first place from first principles and then follow in their footsteps.

People are being done a real disservice by being given the distilled "steps" they need to follow and formulas for math solutions instead of the actual history and the problems at the time that needed calculus to be solved. When it "clicks" and you understand the point is when you will be a master of mathematics. I went from one of those "smart but disliked math" students to one of the top in my class at math.

Nowadays in 2026 it's easier than ever to do this. There are a lot of amazing videos about the subject including history videos with animations about their lives, you can use Gen AI to generate you problems and tell it to you in a historic manner so you slowly grind your intuition for the field.

There is no reason to not pass mathematics in 2026 but I don't blame you. Education is so fucking bad right now that I'm considering pulling my son from public school and home schooling him because he is just wasting his time being dragged down to the level of the dumbest kid in class that decides the pacing of the entire curriculum

tfw suffered through 2 years of college and passed most of the classes well but dropped out because I just stopped attending altogether and now I'm just an unemployable loser (it's been 10 years)

>>108623671
Grow up and realise you have put yourself in the prison you are desperate to escape

>>108623529
>Can anyone of you graduated intellect and professors red pill me on why this fucking course matter for CS.
it's an IQ test. if you have over 100IQ you should be able to pass with a bit of effort.

>>108628064
thank you unc, this is good

>>108623529
ha I had to do fucking LINGUISTICS for my comp sci because it was the only course open. fuck I hated university what a LOAD of HORSE SHIT. waste of fucking money AND TIME. nothing is worse.

>>108628064
It's sad that these days you have to actually do this yourself. The pool of competent teachers is very shallow. For most people your ability to easily conceptualize things comes down a lot to how well it's taught to you. You could say this about anything I guess, but especially in mathematics and physics since it's non-intuitive a lot of the time.

This is why I say pre-calc is "harder" than calculus. Because it's a lot of new concepts, some actually difficult if you're taking it seriously. It's the first time you will likely deal with any actual modeling. It also covers a very wide range of topics, whereas undergrad calc is actually very narrow.

More to OP, I think calculus is incredibly good to learn even if you never really need it for your major. It changes the way you think about things and model data. It's breadth of application is incredible.

>>108623529
Hey I never had a proper calculus course in my CS curriculum cause my uni thought it was a better idea to feed the relevant math piecemeal integrated in other courses. Linear algebra in computer graphics course, etc.
Unfortunately that was a stupid idea and I never got any solid calculus basis. Later on in the CS program and after graduating I stumbled upon many situations where I wished I had just had a dedicated calculus course.
Be thankful for getting a proper foundation. You have no idea how many advanced (and very practical) topics rely on the fundamental knowledge you're building now.

>>108623529
Discrete math and linear algebra is more meaningful for CS, calculus is more for physics. Unless you plan on coding physics or renderer simulations, calculus isn't that important for CS.

I don't like being mean for no reason (well yes I do) but I genuinely don't understand how you fail calculus in 2026 with all the tools available and how easy they make calc 1-3 on idiot proof online platforms. Like I can see getting tripped up on some weird integrals but failing the entire class is astounding to me. Millions of indians pass it every year and some of them don't even cheat.

>>108628677
You'd be correct if it was 1995. What you might mean is that for the programming the average programmer is going to be doing it's not as useful.

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>>108623565
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>>108625797
WAGIE WAGIE GET BACK IN THE CAGIE

I failed a year's worth of subjects at uni because I hated the subjects

>>108628716
>You'd be correct if it was 1995.
I'm an oldfag so you're probably right. In the interest of learning - how are continuous functions, their derivatives, and their integrals, more relevant to CS now compared to 30 years ago?

>>108625872
Lots of sheep.

>>108624663
if you are struggling with math, why are you doing cs, why not it or trade, cs is a math course and if you don't understand algebra/calculus, you will be shredded by higher abstract concepts like algorithms and data structures, save yourself some money and time and do something else

>>108624155
>an hero before dealing with people?
perelman was a fucking math prodigy who made groundbreaking advances in his field and quit because he wasn't properly credited.

he is the exact opposite of a low IQ impulsive loser who can't get a passing grade in fucking calc 2

>>108629052
if you have any code that ever touches any numeric computation you should better know basic babby calculus.

Maybe my perspective is skewed because I'm a roboticist with a PhD but I honestly just don't get how you can function in day to day life without it.

>>108623529
Go on RateMyProfessor and find the easiest Calc II professor you can. better yet, take Calc II at community college. That's what I did. And doing both of those is basically the only reason I passed Calc I and II first try lol

>>108629115
hey roboticist fag, i need someone with access to a humanoid

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>>108623848
>don't do anything yourself hurr hurr
You are exactly where the NWO wants you.

>>108626616
>>108625797
>>108625464

>DEPENDENCE IS GOOD
Retarded fucking AIpes. Why do you have to inject slopborgs into everything? You are cancer.
Oh, right, you're being paid to shill your >warez OTB.

>>108624145
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>>108623954
...THERE'S MORE? Great FUCK, how many are there!?

>>108623565
good advice

European here, how much calculus is that?
Has he gotten to two variable functions and integrating over regions or is he still on (x^n)'=nx^{n-1} type stuff?

>>108629279
calculus 2 i think is about integration, so he must be getting filtered by integration by parts, integrating the strange trigonometric functions, integration by substitution, area under curve, volume, etc,

>>108629304
Oh, that's sad

>>108629279
>two variable functions and integrating over regions
Multivariable calculus is its own course here in muttistan, usually called calc 3
Math here goes like:
>calc 1: babby's first derivatives, barely touch integrals
>calc 2: integrations of single-variable functions plus sequences and series for shits and giggles
>calc 3: multivariable calculus
From there, math students go back and do proofs 101 followed by real analysis, engineering students do ODEs and linear algebra at a minimum, possibly a class on complex functions (which we call "complex analysis" but it isnt actually analysis at all), possibly a PDEs class. This is the result of 40 years of negrifying the education system lol

I had Grok write auto solvers in python and I put them on my TI-84. Worked like a charm

Calc in a CS course is retarded, it should be replaced with more discrete math and statistics. I wouldn't have learned number theory or abstract algebra without taking electives

>>108623529
its to filter out the dummies, try harder or give up i guess

>studying CS in 2026
oh no no no no

>>108629166
best I can do is a hand. just buy one from unitree if you need one, they're pretty cheap nowadays, like 15k

>>108629452
>>108629421
Shills.

>>108629521
you must be a eurofag if you still don't have access to humanoids

>>108623587
Nope nope. Go be a plumber.

t.hvac guy

>>108623529
you have been filtered. it's not about the content it's about the difficulty and if you can't handle calculus 2 then you just aren't smart enough to make it. sorry

>>108623606
maybe open a textbook instead of arguing with strangers and maybe you won't fail your classes

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>>108623529
Calc 2 is hardly the hardest thing you will learn in CS
Save your money and drop out. If you are dead set on cooding, find a REPUTABLE coding bootcamp and network with everyone in there.
Otherwise try the trades anon. Do something easy that people just don't care to learn. Roofing, tiling, pool service, HVAC, plumbing. What's funny is you'll still be ahead of most CS grads if you do this. And you can always learn2code as a hobby.

>>108623529
I failed calc 2 twice as well
then I switched to IT
luckily my IT major ended up having a game dev specialization so I stuck with that
it all worked out in the end, it's 8 years after graduation and I currently have a comfy software engineering job

>>108629558
next time an infrastructure grant rolls around the lab will probably buy one, but it's not my focus so I don't care for or need one. don't intend to work here forever either.

as I said they're basically a commodity now, just buy one if you need it for something specific.

>>108623762
>>108623764
lol what

>>108623529
>i'm retarded
that's all you needed to write.

>>108623529
Calc 2 is the EASY one motherfucker
I failed calc 1 once because you have to memorize 6 million trig identities...etc.
But Integrals are literally one of the easiest things in math.

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>>108623574
>Higher education is a machine that separates humans and animals.
Powerful statement that deserves 4chan Gold.

>>108623529
calc 2 is not really hard but easily is the most bloated calc of all, there's just so much stuff to learn

>>108629193
what's wrong with asking a llm that runs entirely on your computer for math help if the answer it gives is correct and helps you learn something

>>108623529
I don't think I ever used Calc II again in the degree asides from simple integrations here and there. It's a bullshit class made harder than it needs to be as a weeder. Unis usually pick either Calc I or Calc II to be the ass cancer.

>>108623552
I took c1 and 2 on hs. I didn't learn until this year that a lot of US high schools don't teach algebra anymore kek

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>>108629586
Plumbers in this shithole country only make 65k a year (47k USD), and there's very limited job prospects/oversaturation. Plus you're doing labour all day. Trades are a meme.

>>108624984
Don't worry, bro, you and me both. But rejoice. We'll be the much needed cannon fodder in what's coming. Our time to be useful and spend our lives for a greater goal is close at hand.

>>108632324
that's still 2.5x what you'd earn working at mcdonalds.

>>108623565
>try plumbing
Unironically more respectable and future proof than keyboard clacking kek
Way to self L

>>108624732
Math in general is an IQ test. I'd say I'm a good problem solver but fairly average IQ and I barely passed calc 1 and 2.

>>108624732
i have a tested iq of 143, member of Mensa and i'm barely getting a C- in calc 2 this semester. not to mention the Ds and Fs i'm getting in my other courses
fuck my life

>>108633285
clearly the test was a scam because literal retards can pass calc 2. high IQ people learn fast in every situation, if you can't keep up you're stupid (low IQ)

>>108633386
>if you can't keep up you're stupid (low IQ)
idk man, i had a 1550 on the SAT junior year of high school without ever studying for it. I think in theory i could totally get As if i showed up to classes or office hours but i'm a) too socially anxious to ever leave my room so i end up losing points in everything and b) already kinda mentally checked out from the sheer grind of taking 18 all-technical credits like a retard in my first semester
i even missed a midterm cause i was too scared of going in 10min late. i think i might kill myself before the year is out

>>108623958
An invention flew over my house

>>108633386
plus, i was tested by an actual licensed psychologist at age 15, so i doubt it was a scam...

>>108633285
i've tested an iq of 115, a member you'd kill for, and barely can take dick for 15 minutes
>>108633386
learn what shit means u dummy
i'd have 140+ iq if i didn't have those working memory deficits, does that mean my 115 is false? of fucking course not!

>>108633473
>>108633443
>at age 15,
retard.

>>108633485
iq tests are supposed to measure g, the latent variable correlated to everything from reaction time to mathematical ability to language learning ability

not all IQ tests are well designed, they may include shit like English vocabulary and memorized formulae if they assume a specific background for the test takers

they are also relative and normalized by age group. if you are very ahead of your peers at 10 or 15 you can still plateau earlier and be left much lower in the relative ranking of your cohort by the time you're 20.

the long and short of it is that calc 2 is just a different IQ test, and if you can't pass then your estimated g should be adjusted waaaay down

>>108633285
>I have a tested iq of 143
Lmao. No you don't.

>>108633570
fluke results and badly designed tests can happen. the way to think about this is that calc 2 and whatever IQ test that faggot was administered are two different ways of measuring the same hidden quantity. if they disagree so wildly then clearly either one or both are garbage measurements.

I am more inclined to trust a semester long course where he is given repeated chances to try again and a strong incentive to try hard than a single benchmark administered by a psychiatrist.

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>>108633570
just took another one online. cry harder faggots

>>108633589
Agreed.
Or he took the test when he was like 7 years old.

>>108633589
>try again
i'd given up trying for a while. i mean i wanted to keep my grades up but i guess it's too late in the semester to do anything other than face the music 2bh

>>108633594
well first of all, that's a substantially lower score. from 1 in 10k to 1 in 100 or so. second, these online tests are not reliable, especially if you've taken an IQ test before. all the matrices and shit rely on it being your first time seeing them, accuracy degrades rapidly with repeated attempts

>>108633624
if you were actually smart you'd figure out how to make it work. at the end of the day the calc 2 result over several month is far more reflective of the job performance I can expect from you as a hiring manager than a quick sequence raven progressive matrices or whatever.

it doesn't matter that your intellectual disability doesn't show up on that particular test, you clearly aren't able to get results.

>>108633660
>>108633676
i would've made it work if i didn't have crippling fucken social anxiety to the point i freeze up when someone just looks at me as i'm walking past. I would be able to attend classes or parties and stuff and wouldn't be stuck wasting time on /g/
>you clearly aren't able to get results.
i agree. i'm planning to just kill myself, run away or something to avoid the shame of coming home and explaining my grades to my parents
but just to be fair, i had a 5 on ap calc BC in school (but still had to take calc 2)

>>108633594
online mensa tests are fake to sell in person tests and memberships, you have to go take a real test from a real testing center (not mensa) to get real results.

>>108623529
have you tried just not failing it?

>>108634099
see >>108633473

>>108634147
see >>108633541

>>108634176
i don't even care about it atp. whether its 140, 130 or 100. i legitimately just want to get a degree and rid of my extreme social anxiety
not op btw

>>108634217
if random cheerleaders, literal retards, and becky the HR drone can get a degree then you can too. you're probably just missing fundamentals that you skipped/ didn't bother learning because you were too smart and should start from the beginning.

>>108633386
it's true I'm average at best on a good day, skipped half my classes and I still passed

>>108623529
>>108623864
If you're designing your own engine and physics system then calc 2 will come in. It's why you need to take Calc 2 with physics 2. They synergize

Calculus is literally taught in k12 alongside Integral.

>>108633285
you probably have adhd or some other psychotic disorder, if you were actually smart, you'd want to find this out by seeing a therapist instead of talking to literal nobodies

I got 145 on the online mensa test and 102 on a real test. It's bullshit.

>>108623529
What is calc 2? Infinite series and stuff? Isn't that easy as fuck?
I think my only issue with college was because I only bothered to study anything around 2-7 days before actual exams so I always got cucked from ever getting anything above an above average grade. When I took two classes related to programming and building stuff where I was enjoying myself and actually found it cool and useful, I got max grades on both. College was just generally a drag and often felt like a humiliation ritual

>>108636301
we don't actually have a standard definition of calc 2 in education so it depends on the teacher/professor/school
here's an example from my school though https://curriculumalignment.ucf.edu/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2020/09/EFSC_FA20_MAC2312.pdf#page=2

>>108633756
>i would've made it work if i didn't have
nobody cares, retard. you didn't.

>>108636565
so yeah plug and chug integrals and series with a bit of analytic geometry, the same as it is the world over.

the exact sequence you take calculus topics varies by institution and year and teacher but the overall contents of the class have been the same for like 200 years at this point

I can tell by looking at the topics that this isn't even the mathematician version (real analysis with having to learn 50 theorem proofs for each exam), just the monkey rote memorization one

>>108629615
>>108629773
I wonder if these are true, I'm on another field and i aced everything except physics 1, 2 and Calc 1,2
We don't use physics or calculus, we use specific formulae