European immigrant here. Question to Americans who were born here.
How important is it to improve your accent to sound as close to Americans as possible? I work with other immigrants (non-European) who give two shits about it and nobody seems to bother. Am I wasting time?

you can't make me leave

>>108627217
What about retired?

>>108627238
*Taps image*

What are instagram accounts you follow? I want to currate my timeline so that it doesnt show self improvement engagement baits anymore. I only follow like 10 artists/gamedev accounts there but when i check on it shitty posts like "gen z bad, gen z is fucked" or "traits of immature and unsuccessful people" or "this is why companies doesn't want you:

one of our c-levels is literally trying to vibe-code our company's saas from scratch because he thinks he can fix all the technical debt in a couple of weeks lol

I'm self employed just my app isn't deployed and has no subscribers yet because I'm still working on it

>No rabbies vector in past 2 threads
It's a good day.

Assuming I look presentable and have smooth slow body language, what do I need to know about programming to be considered a "not an expert but looks nice and can do small things dependably" type of employee?
I'm 5'3, 24

>>108627326
Change your sex

>>108627326
How is this relevant

>>108627326
>I look presentable and have smooth [...] body [...] looks nice and [...] small thing [...] I'm 5'3, 24
L O N D O N
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>>108627223
Waste of time, people like me who do care can't say anything because that's discrimination

How over is it?

>>108627488
if you have a job it ain't over yet
if you have savings, its never over
over.

how much in savings to avoid the permanent underclass?

>>108627326
programming socks status?

>>108627223
why the fuck did you move to the states? It's not the 90s, Europe is vastly better aside from the UK and Ukraine. Most of the places that were nice in the states like California, Texas, Florida, NY and Washington state are fucking shitholes now. Actual junkie nation but with retards on 'meds' all around you, often with glocks and tracial and ethnic tribalism you don;t want to be part of. The EU is better in every way imaginable, roads, trains, healthcare, schools, crime. I've lived all over both and gave up on the US a decade ago. There are a couple of places in Europe as bad as it like naples and marsailles and serbia but even in those shitholes people are not as generally drugged up mental and potentially lethally dangerous to passers by

>>108627619
I'm sorry for moving to the US. Now I can clearly see how great EU is.

>>108627619
US mogs when it comes to the most important thing of all: making money

Do I need scuba gear to do underwater basket weaving or something? Idgi

It's cute when indian devs use "club" as a synonym of "group"

>>108627326
>5'3
Start transitioning

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>want more money to buy a house
>absolutely no motivation to put an effort plus I can slack off most of the day at my current job

>>108629060
Lmao I am in the exact same position. I could earn more at a different job with the same stack but I don't wanna risk getting fired or having to put in more effort.


As a side note, do you guys think embedded engineering will be safer than software development in 5 years?

>>108629060
>be Europoor
>can never even hope to afford a house
>>108629075
>do you guys think embedded engineering will be safer than software development in 5 years?
Maybe embedded engineering where you have to do 1,000 iterations between programming and physical testing. If not, it's even more replacable than webdev.

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>>108627263

>>108627263
The issue isn't technical debt, bad code quality or anything else because humans suck at that too. What matters is whether or not the person behind the AI can fix errors in the application when even the AI is running in circles.

>>108627652
Money means nothing when you live in a shithole.

Also, what ameriturds fail to understand is that the most important thing about money is the purchasing power, not how many figures you have in your account.

>>108629161
Luckily Trump is making sure that Americans lose even more purchasing power than they lost under Biden. Enjoy earning $200k a year (before taxes) while paying $10k a month for rent.

I've been, over this past week, working on collecting evidence that will get a pair of vibetoddlers terminated. They've been slopping up shitty, buggy code for God knows how long without even bothering to begin fixing any of it. How should I go about this, /twg/?

Before you ask, yes, they're immigrants.

what happened to /utwg/?

>>108629310
I can guarantee that even the shittiest open source chinese model with <1B parameter is still 10x better at programming than you

>>108629331
>t. Ranjesh Sukdeep

>>108629334
enjoy getting replaced boomer

>>108629335
https://desuarchive.org/g/thread/108600579/#108628921
YAAPS. (You Are A Paid Shill)

>>108629310
You got me at immigrants

You need to demonstrate how much time/money they're losing the company with this behaviour, once you have that you go to the boss

>>108629341
>t. raped

>>108629347
I'll try that. Probably the easiest route.
>>108629349
>t. shill

We should have a law that makes it so you gotta do 1 round only, no screening even.

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>>108629310

>>108629310
>they're immigrants.
you are an african illegal, take them back home with you

>>108629325
it was too depressing so we stopped

>>108629461
It's the cat spammer again.

I hate being QA, we try to catch what we can, but we get paid minimum wage and have a HUGE workload, so it often gets pushed onto the customer....and then I have to deal with it at customer service.

>>108629461
Those groups also viewed Trump most negatively and it turned out they were right because Trump is retarded. /pol/tards doing their utmost to make normies woke with their sheer incompetence.

So people can tell you jack off and watch porn a lot right

I want to work at Google
How do I get a job there

>>108629864
You don't, saar.

>>108629864
have you tried applying

Ill never stay up late playing Minecraft again!!! I promise!!! I promise!!!!!!

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>>108627217
My boss hates my guts and gives me bullshit work to do while I see everyone else get nice, fancy projects. I want to job hop, but my actual experience is "fix bugs".
My question is this: I can easily study the projects my coworkers have done and say on the resume I did it. However, I am worried that on Linkedin I'll get spotted by my work/coworkers into claiming work I didn't do. As such, I am wondering if there's a way to sorta anonymize it/block my coworkers and boss on linkedin.

>>108630144
Don't post your job duties on Linkedin and just keep them on your resume?

>>108629161
actually the most important thing about money is that you mog as many people on the planet with it

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https://youtube.com/watch?v=wOv6z9LkHGs

>>108629197
Yeah, hopefully they'll have a civil war and stop playing the world police.

When did you get interested in tech, when did you first get a tech job, and how long did it take you to be able to get one? What's your journey?

>>108627217
Do you guys make side projects? What are they about?
For some reason i dont find anything that drives me enough to commit.

>>108630541
nothing angers me as much as being asked this

>>108630541
I was never interested, I'm just here for the money

>>108630541
At highschool, parents where sort of stem types so i was nudged in that direction. I wanted to do physics but programming took over my autism
Now i do webslop :(
>when did you get a tech job
This year, after graduating. Wasnt too bad all things considered. Finding an internship by comparison was unreasonably hard

>>108630632
I feel like if you are posting here its more than just for the money

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>>108629161
>t. european that will have literally 60% of his income taken in taxes, in a city where an average home costs as much as an american home while being 1/3rd the size
>end game career income: 70k usd for highly skilled, in demand labor such as a doctor
>variable rate mortgage on tiny condo

for how much americans bitch about literally everything, they have no clue how good it is compared to anywhere else. but we neednt worry because america is headed towards this exact situation at breakneck pace.

its still technically possible to make a "decent" living in america. this doesnt seem to be the case in a lot of european countries, especially the ones that get glazed regularly by redditors due to the worlds most obvious and retarded propaganda campaigns ever run.

we'll all be joining you briefly in the road to global serfdom soon enough.

>>108630717
Anon you do realize europe is not a single country right? Where i live the tax rate is less than in the US
Still have free uni and healthcare though lool

So how do i get a job without wanting to kill myself everyday? I've abandoned all my hobbies already for this shit. It's been 12 months and my skills actually deteroriate instead of getting better in terms of speed and what not.

>>108629539
How huge?

>>108630751
obviously. but they do tend to share themeing in social and economic policy.
the ones that run constant propaganda campaigns are the nordic ones. and its mega fucking stupid too.

like a photo op of a school lunch which says "this is what people in sweden eat EVERY DAY"

or "finland ranked happiest country in the world!!" which every finn would tell you is a total joke. all the nordic countries have suicide rates comparable to the US which is astoundingly bad, and they have some of the highest SSRI consumption in the world. yeah that sounds real "happy" to me. you would have to be retarded to believe something like this at face value, but people legitimately do.
or who knows the entire internet is just bots now anyway.

>>108630795
There are a lot of good thingths about the nordics, a lot of bad things too
The weather there is awful and they still managed to create one of the most highly functional societies in the world. I think they earned their bragging rights

>>108627263
Why are COO/CTO retards like this?

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>found myself listening to chinese douyin remixes

>>108629161
if you have money, you don't live in a shit

>>108630541
>When did you get interested in tech
when I was a kid

>when did you first get a tech job
at 30

>and how long did it take you to be able to get one?
years

>What's your journey?
not doxxing myself.

>>108630580
I've lost all my motivation. plus I have personal issues to resolve.

having a job becomes much more tolerable when your only other option is starving on the streets
having a job is miserable when you still feel like you have other, more comfortable, more lucrative or strategic options available that a job will take away from
wait until your brain is fully developed and you'll actually feel the urge to develop the world around you instead of ratting around looking to maximize personal pleasure

>>108630831
most of the western world is facing financial crisis and insolvency due to birth rates, and people are going to have to make varying degrees of concessions to their quality of life to pay for it. nordic countries are being hit very hard by it, and its going to continue to get much worse.
they were great places at once point. but at the same time, imagine being a doctor who makes 70k usd a year, most of which is taken. they are worked like slaves and they face literally the highest tax rates in the world. these are countries where you can choose to be a degen and not work a day your life. and yet you still enjoy a quality of life barely different from the doctor. that is bullshit and not a functioning society. not to mention their justice system. if you murder somebody, the average sentence in finland is around 11 years. there's a famous serial killer in finland who killed 4 people and was let out multiple times.

it being so obvious that you are a cog in an economic machine, and that your life is worth no more than that of economic livestock, is not an ideal functional society to me anyway. america is headed in the same exact direction and it is very unappealing.

>>108630935
>these are countries where you can choose to be a degen and not work a day your life. and yet you still enjoy a quality of life barely different from the doctor
You shouldn't talk about things you know nothing about, it just makes you look stupid

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you can still get a real job bros
wagmi

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I, as an adult male pushing 40 switching or getting a "career", or atleast slightly more education than I currently have wrote my country's SAT

we will see what we get in score, but if anything, this made me realize and accept being mediocre and coming to terms with it more than anything, from the sole purpose of realizing that I don't care about doing this theoretical shit all day, or maybe that's just the severe sleep deprivation leading to insights (pulled an allnigther)

from constantly struggling and tryharding doing shit that is out of my capabilities and/or actual interests, I can be free and just do menial shit that pays me and stop caring eventually

I care about money, not high education

maybe I can finally start minmaxing my way up the IT hierarchy or not

thanks for listening

>pushing 40
this nigga lived through the era when you could get into google by solving a fizzbuzz and hes still a broke retarded loser lmao

>>108630951
>snide reddit comment without addressing anything

is having known a swede and finnish guy for more than a decade, neither of which had ever worked, enough of an informed opinion for you? to get a free apartment, food, unemployment money, all you have to do is submit 0 effort job applications. there's no limit to the benefits. you can literally not work a day in your life.

dumb faggot ass redditor

>>108630994
>you could get into google
I could not get dead end wagie jobs back then, still not

>>108631020
And those two were enjoying "a quality of life barely different from a doctor"?

>>108631020
>all you have to do is submit 0 effort job applications.
eventually they put you in slave labour camp where you work for the same amount of gibs but for months on end and extended, which sucks up a full work week, now you feel like a total idiot and wanna kys constantly if in this position
not adhereing loses you all gibs

>there's no limit to the benefits.
gibs are atrocious and barely anything to live on a month, struggling with everything
doing one mistake with them in contact erases a month instantly and you might lose your place if you don't have saved money which you can pay for (which is also illegal to have savings), you are not allowed to die when they say you should die

>you can literally not work a day in your life.
slave labour comes into the mix sooner or later, what you need is a perma disability instead, but that will also be tested from time to time, not the most experience in that to tell you how bad or good it is

t. swe

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>using word on mac
>can't find out how to turn off dark mode
>but i found the gay pride theme

>>108631220
It's a sign that they hate Black people but love fags. Blacks can reproduce, fags can't.

>>108631243
mutts law.

>>108630994
>this nigga
stopped reading here
please just go back zoom zoom

Person A:
Has a job, takes care of their health and appearances, does well at work, speaks eloquently and confidently.
Person A States he likes gamedev, anime, weebshit, geekshit. People that knows him feeds his ego, telling him "gotta keep hobbies like that to stay human! Awesome anon! I love that quirkiness about you."

Person B:
Unemployed, rarely exercises, bad posture, prefrontal cortex shrunk thanks to porn and whatever, awkward at work, stutters lots, cant convince anyone to pay him since he himself is not confident with his ability to solve general problems.
Person B, States he likes gamedev, anime, weebshit, geekshit.
People around him shits on him at least once a week "what the fuck are you doing bro? Lock in bro. You should just take up more finance classes, AI classes to stay ahead on top of the game bro. Quit all that shit bro it wont help you. How are you gonna get married at this age? Stop wasting your life."

>>108630760
do you have a portfolio?
is your resume properly formatted?
are you giving a good first impression to HR roasties and hiring managers?
don't let it bring you down anon, I know you have it in you to land that job, just keep at it and focus on selling yourself
prove to them what you can do

>>108631317
>unemployed
>awkward at work
pick one

>>108631324
>do you have a portfolio?
I do. But the last actual tech related project i did was back in 2023-2024 during my manual QA tester intern job. I do have a unity project for my bachelor thesis.

>is your resume properly formatted?
It's plain ATS format with my formal portrait on top right.

>are you giving a good first impression to HR roasties and hiring managers?
Applied to 300 jobs since april 2025. Got 20 tests and 6 interviews.

>selling yourself
prove to them what you can do
That's the problem. I dont know what i can do anymore. I havent code since forever and im genuinely only good at housekeeping.

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>>108631317
yeah, what's the problem? you just realized you're a loser at 35?

>>108631353
Im 25 thoughbeit

>>108629360
If you can pick out a bug which is easy to understand that it is a bug to the non-tech brain that also has a long history of near-duplicate tickets that were opened, assigned, code checked in, and marked resolved, and closed (without fixing the bug, and ideally the bug still persists in production to this day) is a very convincing anecdote to put in your evidence packet.

Also a few choice chat logs of them giving the run-around passing accountability around like a hot potato and then that the issue never got resolved; i.e. reveal the blame-circle game that they play tied to a specific bug.

You want your presentation to be an overwhelming pilie of evidence the presents a collage of fuckups, insubordination, and lack of quality work from many perspectives all pointing towards and supporting the inevitable conclusion the bastards must be fired.

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>>108630294
I'M LOCKED IN
I'M STILL LOCKED IN YEAH
STAY LOCKED IN
UH REAL LOCKED IN YEAH
https://youtu.be/P1k99I6zlNI

>>108631433
oh, and assemble all your evidence packet in a word document that can eventually go directly into the HR file so that the company has the evidence justifying why the bastards were fired. Try to gently strike the tone that care so much about the company, and its products, that you just couldn't stand by and let it be destroyed.

>>108631348
without experience you need more in your portfolio, something in progress that you work on regularly
remove your photo from your resume, you should know that including that is retarded
my resume is in this format:
Skills (literally a list of categorized languages and libraries and frameworks)
Experience
Education
Projects
some tips I'd give would be to put those skills into the bullet point descriptions underneath your experience / education / projects, and see how I put spaces there between the slashes (" / ")? that is (or at least was a few years ago) one good way to force the ATS to understand your profile
just look around anon, realize you got what it takes, and have patience

>>108630580
Story engine.
I wrote it in Lua 5 years ago, then killed it because Lua fucking sucks. Rewrote it in C++ 4 years ago, then killed it again because there were flaws in the design and it started to become tumorous. Fast forward to last year, I tried to make something similar in Dart, only to realize some thousands of lines of code later that it was just going to circle around to the same story engine concept so that's dead.
I'm writing it again for probably the 5th or 6th time, in Dart again, as the idea has been circling over my head for 7 years. I'm probably the most incompetent dev you'll ever know and it's a wonder how I've held a job down for nearly as long

>>108631454
>remove your photo from your resume, you should know that including that is retarded
It didn't have any photo in it for 10 months until end of march my mom told me to add my photo in it.

>>108630994
little snot-nosed shit-diddler zoom zoom, born on third base says and thinks he almost hit a homerun.

>>108631088
the doctor making 60k usd a year has the edge in being able to finance a vehicle, and a single vacation a year. thats about it.

>>108631135
is that how it has always been? he may have been on disability, not sure.

>>108631454
My cv is literally
>work experience: 2 jobs with bullet points and date
>education
>bachelor thesis
>technologies and skills
>certifications
>personal projects

>>108631021
zoomers have no idea that many of us have actual-boomer parents who insisted that we go to college, then refused to contribute a single $1.00, and then as we were leaving for freshman year they told us never to come back. Instead they bitch about why mommy makes me microwave my own mac-n-cheese.

>>108626706
>victory

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Got a new coworker some months ago who annoyed my subconscious or something, I really didn't like him for no reason. Now I found out that he has been reading all my commits and gossiping behind my back. I feel like he is trying to get me fired by talking behind my back or something. Is there anything for me to do here, I though of just ignoring it but idk now.

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MyResume v23.2:
>removed "Education" section (I did not go to college, and no one cares about my diploma)

I got a bachelors, 3 years of experience and my resume is still too shit to get any interviews lol

>>108631750
Can i see? Put it on catbox

>>108631750
most postings are made out of legal obligation. theyre just hiring in network, h1b, collecting resumes to sell, or building a "talent pipeline".
i bet you less than 20% of postings have the intent of hiring anyone from a pool of applicants.

>>108631750
apply to jobs in poland please

>>108631756
probably honestly, in 2021 i legit applied to 20 places half assed. Got multiple interviews, landed into a 2 stage interview and offer...

with way less experience and just my bachelors lol
>>108631754
ill anonymize it and post it i guess fuck it i got nothing to lose at this point.

>>108631750
>3 years of experience
doing what?

Not quitting practicing a skill is definitely a skill in itself because i have this tendency to completely abandon something that im not immediately good at after 30 days or seeing results like getting paid or having a job and the consequences is fucking dire. I get back to square 0 multiple time in a single year because i hold on to nothing. If i actually just keep grasping it gently and stick with my routine i could probably get opportunities maybe as late as the next 3-12 months, but i didnt.

>>108629539
yeah, I'm a senior software dev, but I feel ya. I think QAs should be paid more, but also hired more. I see more and more companies being like "why do we need QAs, let's not hire any", which is absolutely ridiculous.

>>108631926
just grind the fucking leetcode, retard

>>108632096
Im trying to get a job in QA

>>108630144
Can't speak for everyone but personally I have never once read my coworkers' present job duties on linkedin, and even if I did spot something inaccurate, I couldn't imagine caring enough to do something about it. Who would they even complain to? Your current company won't fire you for lying on linkedin.

>Boss wants me to renew my CCNA for reasons
>CCNA's new nonsense is APIs/Programming, Cisco Pushing their SDN service, and the eternal shit fit that is IPV6
Lord I love the scam that is the cert rat race.

And I hate IPV6, I understand the reasons for it but Hex is a pain in the dick to read and I will let them pry the internal IPV4 stuff from my cold, dead hands.

>>108632149
>a job in QA
jesus christ why?

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>a month ago the company lays off all test engineers, cancels all IDE subscriptions and forces everyone to start using claude code as a "cost saving measure"
>they keep all deadlines exactly the same
>my team is being held to an upcoming deadline for a project with components that still only exist as an idea in the heads of our architects
>my team has recently exhausted all available work and we are waiting for the architects to finish drafting requirements so we can start the next piece
>yesterday the VP of Engineering emails me and my team members asking us to explain why our claude code usage numbers are lower than average
I think I'm resigning this week. I've got more than enough savings to last several years at this point.

>>108632305
>>yesterday the VP of Engineering emails me and my team members asking us to explain why our claude code usage numbers are lower than average
>"You see sir, we have developed a new way of using Claude that makes us even more efficient at prompting"

>>108632234
Why not?

It pays as much as webdev here in my country. Honestly every tech job pays the same from QA to webdev to analyst. 5-7 million IDR for 1-3 year exp. Minimum wage is 5 million idr. Most jobs only pays 1-3 million IDR. If you wonder how much that is, it's $350.

>>108631756
It's even worse than that. Every legit posting gets 5000 fake AI resumes an hour now. I'm surprised anybody's getting hired for anything

>>108630717
>Oh no, Joe Sixpack is mad.
With 70k I can live comfortably and have far better quality of life in almost any country in the EU. And real walls, too.

>>108632149
Most companies don't even do QA anymore. They just expect devs to write unit tests to make sure the code at least works, and then they wait for the customers to complain about quality and bugs.

Every time I take too long on one ticket I get fired. One fricking ticket.

>>108632305
I don't see why you would resign instead of just riding it out until the inevitable layoffs

I've been a backend engineer for about 8 years. Lately I've noticed more and more of my coworkers just copy-pasting code from Claude or ChatGPT without really understanding it. PRs are massive walls of generated code that mostly works but has weird edge cases nobody bothered to think through. When I ask questions during review, they just say "the LLM wrote it that way" or shrug. Meanwhile I'm spending my time actually reasoning about architecture, data models, and failure modes. It's getting exhausting because I feel like the quality bar is dropping but management only cares about velocity. For those of you in similar situations - how do you stay motivated? Do you just accept that this is the new normal and lower your own standards? Or do you push back and risk being seen as the slow one? I don't want to become the grumpy senior who complains about everything but I also don't want to ship garbage. Would love to hear how others are navigating this.

I have been pushing my CTO to ban IDEs, if you aren't vibe coding you shouldn't be allowed code at all.

>>108632931
Based.

>>108632812
execufags speak exactly this way, right now, use all of these words, and yes even when discussing a mundane topic. a truly perfect parody. great work.

>>108632922
DO NOT LOWER YOUR STANDARDS.

so... I've got about twice your experience and reviewing PRs is 30% of my day. Here is the policy that I enforce:
I neither encourage or discourage the use of AI. However, I will always review your code as if it was written by you and only you. Don't ever tell me that you used AI to write it; in other words, no excuses. If you ever do tell me that AI wrote it then I'm rejecting the whole PR I want you to go line by line and make it yours, or even completely rewrite it all over again so that when you resubmit it we can go back to pretending that you wrote every line yourself. If you are stupid enough to tell me again that you used AI then I"m not playing games, I will get you fired for insubordination because I have ordered you not to tell me that you used AI, just so we are clear that you are totally and completely accountable for the quality of your code.

>>108633148
Did you ever actually tell your manager what the downstream cost of that bug would have been? because in my experience engineers assume leadership understands the severity and leadership almost never does.

>>108632305
>Claude, generate documentation and tests for all these endpoints, be as verbose I mean as explicit as possible for our fellow devs and include examples please.
There.

>>108632931
What do you do if AI can't solve the problem and you're running circles?

>during 1-on-1 boss asks me how we can use AI to be more efficient
>"Yeah, we use co-pilot for coding"
>"That'll only be 50% more efficient. We need 1000% more efficient"
>"Uhhhh"
>"We can have it do our documentation for us"
I don't think he knows my job is more coding than documentation
I'm tempted to just make slop that uses chatbots to write documents
I don't think they even care if it produces nonsensical output, he probably just wants to tell his boss we're using AI

Deloitte sucks.

>>108633179
There is no problem SOTA can't solve that you can.

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>>108633249
at my job they're giving mandatory AI trainings to all office level employees on stupid shit like summarizing excel sheets with AI or writing emails, meanwhile the actual production PLM software that people have to use every single day is stuck on some shitty windows XP boomer client from 2002 and the execs refuse to update it because of the licensing fees + migration costs.
Everyone below exec level has to fuck with the PLM system daily and it takes minutes to retrieve every single document (the other day I spent an hour trying to print out like 20 different files).

>>108632931
Vibe coding? What year is it? We just let agents do all the job, we don't even have to prompt.

>>108630853
i don't know, i'm guessing once you reach c-level you're never getting fired
i've heard recent horror stories of this c-level guy forcing himself into teams, "fixing" things using claude, and then leaving while the actual team is forced to make something useful out of his slop that's obviously not production ready

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are YOU hiring top AI engineers, /twg/?

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are YOU a professional jira administrator, /twg/?

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>>108633310
>Vibe coding? What year is it? We just let agents do all the job, we don't even have to prompt.

>>108633352
holy shit she must want to kill herself every day

>>108633346
The hell is point 8? Is mr shekelstein going to monitor my sleep?

>>108633346
this pic made me realize that one of my coworkers is in tech for the money and nothing else. we work in cybersec, and he's studying to make the jump to "AI".
good thing he doesn't have a good reputation, though I still feel bad for him because he has a kid.

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"haha son now that you're working in the office you finally have a real job!!!"
>stuck in traffic for hours each day
>fluorescent white lights that give me a headache
>cold as shit 65 degrees in the office
>coworkers chatting about baby showers and football games
>job is bullshit paperwork and team pings and emails
>have to pretend I don't hate the boomer executives
>90% of my job should have been automated away 10 years ago
>pay is shit and they wont give me overtime
>"we're like a family here!!!!"

>>108633586
also forgot
>cubicle with no windows

>>108627217

I continue to hoarde the cash I'm making. My savings rate is a little above 40% so far this year.

>>108627223

I don't think it really matters. Then again, the ancestry.com in my pants is activated when I hear the voice of a Scottish or Australian woman.

>>108627592

Check out Dave Ramsey's Total Money Makeover ( https://store.ramseysolutions.com/money/books/the-total-money-makeover-by-dave-ramsey/ ) from the library and follow the baby steps.

Once I got deep into Baby Step 3 I stopped feeling like I was underclass. The money seemingly starts coming in faster too since you aren't paying interest on anything anymore. It's a great feeling and one I wish anyone who is willing to work toward it gets to experience it.

>>108627619

Go pay your television license and enjoy your life. 250 years later, we still don't miss you.

>>108629197

She lost. She got trounced. Thank god.

>>108633645
>Dave Ramsey
holy shit kill yourself boomer

>>108633653

You had an entire keyboard and front of you with 26 letters available at your disposal. This is all you come up with?

Why are people in /g/ so freaking allergic to being successful at stuff?

>>108633675
you are a boomer
you have not succeeded in anything in life
you are a parasite that has pillaged and raped society
you have been so "successful" that by every metric imaginable american society is worse off than it was 40 years ago

>>108633685
should take care of those daddy issues, anon

>>108627488
It's pretty over. People don't have money anymore and haven't for a while. There's no customers who can pay.
>t. businessfag in a field that does better in recessions
>yet it's still getting worse

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Luddites weren't just haters of technology, they were driven by unemployment.

Savingsfags are going to get rugpulled too. It's already happening.
It's looking likely that you will be assimilated into whatever globohomo wants you to do and already are. Maybe there's still a way out but I don't see it yet. It appears it's always been this way since we've been around though.

>>108633766
>Luddites
i wonder if this is an indian that just learned what the word is, or someone instructed their bot to write this in as many posts as they could

sirs i have equation for potential in future of humanity

e = mc^2 + AI

>>108633346
What does AI Engineer even mean at this point? Prompter?

>>108631756
Maybe in the US. My company right now has a 100% intention of hiring from a pool of applicants, we're paying above market and we still get nothing but barely sentient apes applying. I've interviewed like 10 people in the past 2 weeks and if it were up to me, only 1 guy would've made it past the initial round, but management wants to push at least half of them forward, including a legit spaghetti-dropping sperg because the "pipeline" is dryer than the fucking desert.

>>108627263
>>108630853
>>108633345
My CTO is one of these types. His new idea this past week was adding a giant AI generated essay to every PR as a replacement for code reviews. I believe he is one more fuck up away from getting fired though. We only have like 12 customers (B2B saas), and 2 are expected to churn because we fucked up their data for like 6 months without realizing it. We are weeks away from missing a huge deadline that he pushed for because he thought we could vibe code it. When we have to go back to the client and ask for an extension and they return by asking for better terms, he will be on super thin ice at best.

>>108633346
I partially disagree with three. You do not want to be attracting vanity seekers. If they desperately want themselves to be known, they would step on others to do it.

I partially disagree with five. Bullshitters also talk a lot.

I partially disagree with seven. You should treat the best performers well but not at other workers' expense.

>>108634014
>because the "pipeline" is dryer than the fucking desert.
Must be the north pole but even in Greenland it's impossible to get hired these days.

>>108633838
>he doesn’t stack precious metals
They always laugh at you as they fly by on the way up, then look so aghast when you’re peacefully chilling in the same spot while they’re on the way down

>>108634124
why is gen x so obsessed with retarded boomer rocks that go up like 2% a year?
it's this and the farm larp

>>108634055
It's in [spoiler]Japan[/spoiler].

>>108634138
I can hold my rocks. Youre S&P is (at least) 40% manic empty air promises that are about to vanish into 10 billion dollar holes in the ground

Got an offer that doubles my TC, boss offered half of it now, and the other half next year after our funding round, offered 10% in stocks, what you fellas think I should do?

>>108634171
no idea, but I think you should be more clear. your boss is starting a new company and wants to hire you? the offer came from a third party and he's offering to match later it in pay + stocks?

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can I get a job if I learn rust? I dont have a degree btw

>>108634541
I work in the csec space and there is plenty of demand for good rust programmers here

>>108629075

Yes. AI is making a big difference in speeding up the grind of the field. But not to point of total replacement.

When I ask AI, and especially Codex, to explain some code or write some docs, it's somehow just weird. It's not that it's necessarily incorrect, it's just written in a way that's way harder to parse than something written by a human.

Grandma is hoarding silver again saying "this is gonna be the year"

>>108632174
>Cisco Pushing their SDN service,
Finally, a use for the four years wasted doing SDN that I can't use for anything

I'm confused at my workplace
In the last 3 months, I've seen 8 people on surrounding teams voluntarily and involuntarily leave. We have a project on which none of the original PMs and business analysts remain. Everyone is amicable and I actually like my boss. There's clearly something going on under the surface, clearly some combination of performance culling and toxic projects.

>>108635158
Yeah great you can SDN (Suck Dick Now)

If we're being honest, everything is bad.

>Coworker with 10 more years of exp than me was whining that I know too much but that I only know so much because I don't have kids
not sure if I should feel angry, laugh or what at this cope

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Tips on managing ATS and linkedin profile?

>how to handle linkedin when tailoring a cv?
99% of the jobs i apply is via linkedin. Some platforms require linkedin profile to application.
I know that im supposed to tailor my cv for each application using chatgpt. But i apply to 10+ jobs a day. If i send a tailored cv, wont they check info in my profile? I cannot keep 10 versions of my profile.
For example, i send a tailored backend cv then a fullstack cv to another post. My cv has the backend version, will the ATS double check and see that my fullstack cv is fake?

>what to do with multiple skills?
I read that if you have both react and angular knowledge then apply to a react job, ATS will prefer the candidate that knows only react. SO having all your skills in the same cv/profile hurts the ATS.
In my case i know c# and java. Also ive worked as fullstack in the past and know angular. So currently i have 4 profiles: fullstack c/ang, fullstack java/ang, backend java, backend c#. Am i supposed to create 4 linkedin profiles?

Oh well, i thought about having a generic and bland profile like software developer... but then, wont it hurt the ATS? because hr whores will search for a java backend dev and wont find me?

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>Don't reinvent the wheel. Use 3rd party libraries.
>It takes longer to figure out how to use 3rd party libraries than it is to write the functionality yourself.
>3rd party libraries later are no longer maintained and are revealed to have massive security holes.

>Ignore what everyone else is doing and your own common sense and design new functionality based on criteria from some studies from some organization no one has even heard of before
>Functionality ends up having horrible UX

>Write designs for new features
>Force your underlings to make your horrible designs work

>Claim certain problems are unsolvable without asking for other people's opinions

>>108629112
We've been working to automate most test benches for ages now.

The bigger thing is that architecture at scale currently designed by most AI sucks. It's fine for quickly slapping on some features, but it will quickly rot your code base with horrid tech debt that is unacceptable in embedded. That said, if they solve this, we are just as cooked.

>>108634541
what is it with germans and open source projects (and trooning out)?

>>108636461
It's sad how they"ve been copying americans since ww2

>>108633586
Everyone starts somewhere. Would you rather be unemployed for another 6-12 months?

See >>108630921

How did you get your first tech job? Cant i just copy paste 1-2 projects from youtube then after that done I'll just grind leetcode?

>>108635473
It's only half cope. Skills in tech get obsoleted fast. Not everyone is capable of keeping up, whenever it's lack of time or missing few iq points.

>>108636461
Complete dominance of literal x and boomers in Germany and France. Anyone younger than that is smart enough to sabotage the boomers.

>>108635473
you got owned. your "knowledge" about gay little computer systems dies with you. your rare collectable onahole will be auctioned off at a state auction. your body pillow will be sent to the dump. people will visit your pauper's grave to laugh for ages to come. and thats not even the half of it.

>>108637076
Wow dude you need therapy

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>>108637131
to me, crazy frog is just a normal frog

>>108636790
>Would you rather be unemployed for another 6-12 months?
yes
I loved it
in fact im going to quit this job in 3 weeks even if I dont find anything better

I dont think linkedin is THAT important.
People get jobs here, fill out bits of details here and there, and they dont make any post in it at all and their life doesnt turn to shit or anything.

There are lots of job posting sites out there and one thing about linkedin that i hate is that it doesnt give any feedback. I have 2 other platforms i rely on my country the most and at least they give notification whether i get ghosted or rejected

>>108637349
You still get to go home and dick around playing video games dude.

>>108635177
When people leave at your job does their workload transfer to you?

>>108627223
You're not going to lose the accent. Just try to speak as clearly as possible. If you don't have to assist people over the phone, it doesn't really matter.

>>108637523
its not about the video games, retarded boomer
you pieces of shit act like having a job and making money for your boss is a blessing
this job provides zero value to my life. I will never be able to afford a home, or rent, or a family, or whatever the fuck from this job, and the bullshit they're feeding me about "working my way up the ladder" is a lie,
I am a cog in the most soulless company imaginable, and its destroying the small amount of enjoyment I was still getting out of being alive. I have no obligation to work. Either you pay me a wage worth living, or ill live under a bridge and hunt deer and ducks illegally.

>>108637653
Cool good luck finding another job

Im curious about that anon who works as slaughterhouse bookkeeper. Do you still code outside of work?

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The social contract is simple
>I work
>you provide me with enough money to live and raise a family
If you're paying me $20 an hour, I get no overtime, the government takes away 1/4 of my paycheck, rent is $2000 a month, and women are social media obsessed brainwashed whores, I have neither the ability to live or start a family.
Therefore I have no incentive to work. My work only benefits you; not me.

>>108632354
Imagine living in a third-world shithole.

>>108637815
Enjoy starving

>>108634016
>I believe he is one more fuck up away from getting fired though.
No. He's close to a promotion and huge salary bump.

>>108637815
>I have neither the ability to live or start a family.
You don't want it bad enough.

>>108637653
>or ill live under a bridge and hunt deer and ducks illegally
Both you and me know this is a lie.

>I have no obligation to work.
You are right. You're free to look for other means of getting an income.

>>108637815
Nobody owes you anything, zoomie.

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>want to start leetcoding out of boredom
>debugger is logged behind premium
what the fuck? why lock the most vital piece of coding behind a paywall?

>>108637815
>pic
BARK BARK BARK BARK BARK BARK BARK BARK BARK

>>108627217
is there any hope for me getting a job with an associate's CS degree? I really don't want to go through another 2+ years to get the bachelor's, especially in this market. I think I picked the worst possible time to get this degree.

https://youtube.com/@imanwmusa?si=pAdjWE1LVmQPWjdc

How come some people are able to make a living from straight up lying for years dude

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>>108635834
>For example, i send a tailored backend cv then a fullstack cv to another post. My cv has the backend version, will the ATS double check and see that my fullstack cv is fake?
It's not fake if you can do what you claim.

>>108638018
>why lock the most vital piece of coding behind a paywall?

I have luddite fatigue

>Find massive security leak in coworkers' project that is about to go to prod
>Tell him
>Ask me how I found it
>Tell him I used Claude
>Dismisses it as AI slop false positive
Well, now I'm writing a report to the CTO, hoping he gets berated.

>>108638018
>>debugger is logged behind premium
leetcode or "neet"code?
leetcode is the official website. thats the one you should be using. neetcode is a copycat made by a jeet. the debugger on leetcode is not locked behind premium.

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>>108638256

>>108638376
uhhh thanks?

>>108638404
oops meant for >>108638326

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>>108638407
lol wut
I've literally never used the debugger then
be a real chud and spam print statements

>>108627217
I'm a self employed tech worker which means I fit your arbitrary requirements. Anyone hiring for a real company?

>>108638422
wait there are other ways to code than via print(variable)?

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>>108638422
oh i thought that was tied to the debugger
turns out multiple years of tard languages like BASIC and Powershell has made me forget basic C# syntax oopsiewoopsie

>>108638434
we're not looking for self-employed experience, sorry

>>108638456
I hate you so much, I bet I can program better than all your devs together.

Im disillusioned by the idea of dating or even marriage because there's no telling i can get fired right this instant after the wedding. There's no telling i got into a crash and fucking dies when our child is just 7 months old.

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If I'm 20, jobless, and the only kind of job that interests me is one in tech, but I was born to a family that was never wealthy, living paycheck to paycheck and with absolutely 0 direction for me, is there any chance whatsoever that I could actually get a tech job, or sould I consider saving up for a 12 guage and blowing my head off?

>>108638620
i just chainfuck egirls with borderline personality disorder its way more fun

>>108638674
I mean, you can try studying or getting a job, and things might change in the next $UNKNOWN years. but we don't know.
the AI fad seems to be dying because AI companies are starting to raise prices to get closer to their costs... and their prices make less and less sense.

>>108638701
I'll try. I mean it can't hurt too much. The alternative is just accepting doom anyways. I don't really know where to begin and I've just been learning little things here and there and all over the place. I know there are a lot of tech jobs and I don't have a comprehensive understanding of the options, what they consist of, what they require, and what's good to aim for, because I'm such a directionless noob.

Lots of people complain on how they're not getting a job after months/years/hundred applications but how many people actually want to admit they simply lack the skills for the job? Maybe if they just stop applying for like 3-6 months to relearn the skills and see themselves as something else other than failures they might at least live better positively

>>108629664
> Sam Hyde skits getting 100k views on YouTube REGULARLY

Sorry libtards. You lost.

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>working on projects during the weekend
>realize I don't have anywhere near enough knowledge to easily implement most of the shit I want to do
>have an idea how to do shit like threading and concurrency but Im never sure if I'm writing a mess that's going to cause problems or not
>don't have time to study during the weekday because job
PLEASE I JUST WANT TO BE A JUNIOR PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE

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>>108638679

>>108638774
How did you get the job
How long have you been working
How often do you hangout with friends/family
Do you regularly exercise?
What other interests hobbies you have outside of tech?

>>108638919
their emotional abuse is my vice that keeps me alive

>>108638774
>>have an idea how to do shit like threading and concurrency
what language are you writing shit in?
try watching https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oV9rvDllKEg

https://youtube.com/@letphil?si=mqsg1yRPzb_eIHZp
Larp on camera and pretending you have the job seems like feasible way to make money these days

>>108638960
>sort by popular
the algo already fucked him half a year ago and his channel is declining

>>108638753
This. First-worlders are actually just lazy and unskilled. What we really need is more Indians.

>>108638972
Third worlders cant get jobs too dude

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>>108639062
Yes, finally back to work! :)
I love my job.

>>108638988
esl

>>108639170
he won the life race by dying quickly

>>108632346
If you're twice as efficient then why didn't you prompt twice as much?

>>108638674
Get an IT related job in the military if you are able bodied.
They'll train you and you'll basically get a guaranteed 6 figure tech job when you get out.
If you're broke and have no connections then it's a pretty good deal. And if you go guard/reserves then you get to take an IQ test and pick your job before you sign any papers

>>108639385
im not fucking dying for israel

>>108635158
Its cert training disguised as a sales pitch.
Doesn't help I'm in a statewide organization where half of my job is people moving stuff/breaking it and the other half is running four phone systems on top of usual networking duties.
Its a lot of network trying to sell me things I have no practical use for.

>>108638674
If you're 20, learn a trade. There is no future in tech. The salaries are collapsing. The days of a chill tech job that pays 150k is coming to a screeching halt. Go get established in a trade before more white collar fags get laid off and you have more competition.

I'm a boomer, if I were 10 years younger I would be doing the same thing.

>>108639385
Sound pretty cool and even tempting, but I know they'll spring WW3 soon and with the draft ages raised to 42 I can confidently say it's fucking over.
>>108639457
I can try, but I really would rather just explode my brain out of the back of my head at this rate. There's no god damned hope on earth. If I'm going to be a slave forever I'd rather slash my neck and bleed myself like a pig. Fuck this god damn cursed hell faggot earth. Hope is not and never was real.

>>108639436
There is no escaping the whip of the jew, as an American. Unless you were born into wealth... you will either figure out how to earn lots of money, OR you will be forced to live amongst violent negroids and methheads. Either way, the jew wins. Anon's advice is good, you leave the military with a security clearance that will keep a roof over your head in a relatively negro-free neighborhood.

>>108639476
Trades is one best paths towards being a business owner and having a comfy life. But you have to gain the knowledge first.

Should I do UT Austin MSAIO or GATech OMSCS? I've been accepted into both. For background, I have a bachelor's in CS

I need some advice from those of you who are actually employed in the area.

I want to learn backend development and from what I've gathered Spring Boot is the one that has the most jobs available. However, the only resources I've found are not to my liking because they either lack structure or cost too much.

Is there something else I could learn in its place, like Django with Python or something involving Node? I honestly have no idea on how employable I would be with those languages in the backend.

If there are some resources that you know of, please do share.

I know that the job market is not great at the moment but I'm not desperate, I just want to work in tech sometime in the future.

>>108637653
another blowhard, bitchmade, whiny zoomer... stop the presses!

>>108633346
>don't micromanage them
>also, track their sleep habits and health data to optimize their performance

>>108638674
you are competing with all of india and every single other internet addict under the age of 40.
>>108639865
realize that what you are asking is like when your boomer grandfather asks you "tell me how to buy that bitcoin stuff!"

any other hopeful slowpokes need some guidance on entering one of the most hypersaturated job markets to have ever existed?

>anons still asking how to learn to code
>anons asking how to get entry-level jobs
>anons asking if they should learn X

Lmao, you have no idea *how* over it is. You aren't getting an entry level job, not without having an uncle that is the hiring manager or being a 180IQ MIT grad. Nobody writes code anymore. If my manager caught me writing code by hand, I would have to explain why I'm doing things 'the old way'. The age of AI is here. You don't have to like it, but it's not going away, and no random midwit dev can do anything to stop it.

>>108640117
okay thats cool unc im just going to keep grinding leetcode and applying to jobs

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"just work on projects bro recruiters love that shit, but don't do a sample project do something original that you'd actually use!"
>do just that
>realize the amount of work it takes to develop even the simplest usable application
>50 hours of coding later across multiple weeks and it still isn't ready to be shown off

>>108640185
They are literally just looking for people than can be productive with the code slave right now. They don't care as long as you can show you have good output.

>>108640117
>>anons still asking how to learn to code
>>anons asking how to get entry-level jobs
>>anons asking if they should learn X
this is the reason why we pushed unemployed retards to create their own general.
then jannies came and started deleting /utwg/ because they are retarded, lazy brainlets that aren't worth their wages.

>>108640117
Well where is all the cool new software if AI is so great? AI doesn't seem to be increasing the amount of good software so as long as you make good new software the old way then it's indistinguishable from the AI generated stuff.

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>>108640482

the problem isn't so-called AI, it's infinite jeets and those were already copy pasting off stackoverflow without trying to understand the context so they just got more efficient at it with LLMs

>>108640583
>it's not x, it's y
kill yourself aijeet

>>108640482
We don't need that much software, anon. There is no usecase. Try to get somebody to install a new app on their phone. Let me know how that goes.

>>108640503
>desktop app for something you only type in
Why are zognormies so afraid of terminals

>>108638256
>HURR DURR LUDDITE
The day will come where you will be culled like the cattle you are.

how much money do car mechanics make?
on one hand, they seem to have a lot of work and charge whatever they want, or maybe they just scam their clients
on the other hand, each job seems to take a lot of time, so even if each job makes them good money, they spend a lot of time disassembling and reassembling shit, don't they?

>>108640703
You have to pay for your own tools, so I hope you either have a lot of cash or a healthy credit score so you can sell your soul to Snap-On

>>108640703
10-25k in tool debt
20-30k in trade school debt/certifications

Then you can make 40-70k working as a regular car/truck mechanic.
If you don't want to be the average mechanic then you need a ME/EE degree to work on planes with certifications/trade school/tool debt to make a whopping 60-120k
Boats/Heavy machinery/Semi trucks is roughly the same pay ranges without having to get advanced degrees like aerospace

Honestly you are better off joining the military for retirement than being a mechanic. I would've done it but IT is easier and pays double the average mechanic makes at 150k$ USD.

>>108640703
very little, especially bad now that everyone leases and the last 3 people on earth who are buying another car are Enthusiasts who will diy it themselfs

literally just go Space Force instead

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>>108640027
>you are competing with all of india and every single other internet addict under the age of 40.
>>108639500
Forgive my sucidepost lol. Is it potentially possible that I could get a different job but adequately teach myself something like say, hacking for example, and in 10 years, assuming the apocolypse isn't through with us, find a potentially interesting job? Saturated as the market is, could you potentially make yourself stand out enough to do it? Part of me is insane and believes I can do it even though I know nothing because I'm GOING to rape my fate and nothing will stop me, allegedly.

>>108640027
>hmmm why yes I will waste my sunday being a cunt on the internet
thanks

>>108640995
yes anon juts learn hacking and u will make 1mm tc easy

>>108640027
>any other hopeful slowpokes need some guidance on entering one of the most hypersaturated job markets to have ever existed?
yes
where are my legs

>>108637815
you have no leverage, its either u work for that 20 an hour or u literally starve on the street

life is cruel

If i keep mass applying i wont put my time for deep practice/learning

If i put my time for deep learning/practice i will only apply little each week

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>>108641059
>you have no leverage
that is where you are wrong

>>108641112
im confused.. okay? theyll just import another 100M indians to work in the labor force while u starve and end up on the streets..

rich parents or retired people cool but everyone else is fucked

>>108638256
Your coworker has AIDS (AI Derangement Syndrome).

>work in 9 hours
n-no....

>>108641224
INDIAN

There are no Indians in my team or my organization, how long do I have?

>get a job in the trades
and do what? fix plumbing for boomers? wheres the long term stability if zoomers cant afford homes? who am I going to be working for?

>got sick on friday
>kept saying random shit in order to get people to leave me alone so I can go back to sleep
>mfw monday I'm going to read my half medicated half asleep dumbass messages responding dumb shit to fires.

>>108641532
installing adrenochrome jacuzzis for the hyperwealthy

I spent january february march and april mostly sleeping

>>108641045
how many times do you need to hear "no theres no jobs. no a degree is not worth it. no, you are probably not breaking in"? this is tech worker general btw.
wake up already. or finish your degree so you can stock shelves at a grocery store and whine about it.

welp dynamic programming leetcode filtered me, guess I'm not going to get a job

speaking of >>108641610, anyone here works for any of the glowie paypal mafia members, esp. Thiel companies like Palantir? if so, what do you think about >>>/pol/533471652 ?
https://xcancel.com/PalantirTech/status/2045574398573453312

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>>108641224
It's Monday already! I'm so happy

>>108641716
so wtf is he supposed to do?? just give up

>>108642202
You’re right he should double down and ruin his life

>>108640995
even hacking is getting wrecked by AI, my friend has a startup for it with semi-serious funding and I'm considering dropping my corpo job to join him

>>108641849
I am >>108642529 and I think shit like palantir and anduril is cool, but I also gooned over the killbots trailer when it was released back in the mid 2010s. The way I see it is if its going to happen one way or another might as well join the party and have fun while you can.

Also the seethe you generate is incredible