>>108628389
Your ass.

>>108628407
that would be Passive Directory

>>108628389
Active directory is a hair-brained solution to a problem that does not exist on Linux. Fuck off.

>>108628389
Lol.

>>108628389
>Linux alternative to Active Directory?
You know that AD is just a proprietary implementation of LDAP? LDAP is older than AD, there are OpenLDAP for general purpose LDAP server and there's also full suites like FreeIPA that allows Winshit machines to be integrated in non-ad LDAP domain

>>108628433
The linux community everyone. Strange thing to have a melty about. Explain how it doesn’t exist, and what the workaround is.

>>108628389
Samba.

>>108628441
See:
>>108628436

And:
https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/linux-file-permissions-explained
https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/linux-access-control-lists
https://www.osc.edu/resources/getting_started/howto/howto_manage_access_control_list_acls/howto_use_posix_acl

>>108628389
idk
seems like useless bloat to me

>>108628441
>>108628389
why do you need this? on linux you just mount other linux machines using sftp and navigate like they're all one big filesystem without thinking about it

>>108628454
Do you just not understand what Active Directory is? I feel like the links you shared show a severe lack of understanding

>>108628485
something that is only required because of windows' retarded permission model. unix systems are designed for multi user use from the ground up, you don't need special tools

>>108628493
Active directory lets me use the same credentials on any machine with permission and fine-grained access control. For a start, if you have 200 computers how do you manage accounts on all of them for your 200 employees?

>>108628504
Don't listen to these retards, i actually work with AD, windows server and azure so i get what you mean. I would be really surprised if there wasnt an alternative for linux though, there are plenty of organisations using linux purely on user level. Though i might be wrong

>>108628504
Is this good enough?
—
Samba is the most feature-rich Open Source implementation of the SMB and Active Directory protocols for Linux and UNIX-like systems.

Samba provides secure, stable and fast file and print services for all clients using SMB and other AD protocols such as LDAP and Kerberos.

Samba is a high-performance, scalable distributed software for providing access to various cluster filesystems. It enables cloud platform-as-a-service (PaaS) providers, software-defined storage (SDS) solutions, high-performance computing (HPC) applications, and enterprise-grade network attached storage (NAS) to support the latest security and SMB capabilities.

Samba is an important component to seamlessly integrate Linux/Unix Servers and Desktops into Active Directory environments. It can function either as an Active Directory Domain Controller or as a member server.

Samba.org

>>108628603
see
>>108628436

Just plain LDAP. Many implementation choices

>>108628751
Microsoft Active Directory (AD) is not just LDAP

>>108628737
>>108628751

You guys are retarded. Microsoft AD is not just LDAP and plan LDAP is NOT an alternative to Microsoft AD?

>>108628389
Virtualize Win Server AD Domain Controller on Linux Hypervisor :)

samba with client, server, computer name index features running

actually, how do enterprises using Linux workstations manage their shit? Is it really Samba? I learned about that 20 years ago and thought it was some file sharing thing.

>>108628389
LDAP
yp/NIS

>>108629724
Configuration management software like Ansible.

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>>108628389
There is none, and Linuxfags refuse to accept the fact that Windows' market domination is mainly due to enterprise use and AD making the lives of IT depts this much easier, while instead seeing gayming support as the Wunderwaffe that'll destroy Windows.

Even though PC gaymers are like 1% of the Windows userbase, but that's okay since they can then cry about the grand conspiracy of Bill Gates that's meant to stop their "obviously superior" OS from taking over the market. While at the same time not being able to make a logical explanation for why Microsoft's Machiavellian 4D chess plan of destroying Linux to maintain Windows dominance didn't work out in the server space where Windows Server failed miserably.

Basically the same old song ever since this nerd decided to make a hobbyist Unix clone. They'll never learn.

>>108628389
Linux is a kernel. Active Directory is not a kernel feature.
What problem are you trying to solve? (don't tell me, idkaf, this is your exercise) If you properly break down your problem you should be able to find a Linux compatible solution.

>>108629704
>>108629734
>>108629738
I now realize why enterprises are so hesitant to use loonix. holy shit there is literally no alternative to Windows when you have to manage thousands of workstations with even many more users.

>>108629765
>AD making the lives of IT depts this much easier

>>108628504
>lets me use the same credentials on any machine with permission and fine-grained access control
that's what user accounts and groups are for on unix-like systems.
>automation
you use scripts that do exactly what your organization needs, no more and no less.
>>108628603
>>108628809
>>108629822
can you present an actual use case for this active directory thing?

>>108629837
>oh we need to deploy this piece of software on hundreds of machines in our organization
>*tweaks a single thing within AD and lets it rip*
vs
>*does a whole bunch of Bash fuckery to SSH into hundreds of computers to run commands and shit because that's the Linux™ way and anything saner is bloat with no use case*

Keep counting on Valve making vidya viable as your Wunderwaffe to finally defeat Windows. You're too ignorant to ever learn.

>>108629837
microjeet makes my life so much easier when they release a bloated opaque tool to let me automate dealing with the other bloated opaque crap their system has introduced

>>108629791
you don't understand the mind of a microshitter. the tool probably does 1000 random tangentially related things at once for historical reasons and he is confused that an exact equivalent doing the same 1000 different things does not exist on other platforms.

>>108629882
>does a whole bunch of Bash fuckery to SSH into hundreds of computers to run commands and shit
so your problem is basically that you don't understand how to use shell scripts and service management systems like systemd

>>108628389
FreeIPA

>>108629876
>can you present an actual use case for this active directory thing?
The use case is that in the real world, AKA big companies running hundreds of machines, not your personal PC in your mom's basement, won't be relying on some dodgy automation scripts to act upon hundreds of workstations because the neckbeard retards developing Linux have never worked a serious IT job in their entire lives and are incapable of understanding what other people need or can do.

AD just works. It lets big corpos trivialize acting upon hundreds of machines so that everyone has the exact same set of software and policies deployed in a whim. No one could give less of a shit about being able to play games which is what you Linux neckbeards keep hyperfixating over right now.

>>108629896
Again, you, like every other Linux shill, have never worked anywhere close to a large organization needing automated management software and you can only look at the entire world by the prism of your home computer running some tinkertranny distro. That's why you'll forever be a mockery in the desktop OS space as you are incapable of competing with Windows in the desktop space. For over three decades straight and still refusing to accept that.

>>108628389
Libre Directory™

>>108629906
>AKA big companies running hundreds of machines
the entire world runs on clusters of linux servers you fucking mouth breathing retard.

give a specific example of a thing you would do with this active directory bloatware and it will 99% of the time either have a simple solution using tools available on most linux distros, or not be required at all because it was caused by microjeet to begin with.

you're clearly no sysadmin either or you wouldn't act like SSH is some black magic

>>108629876
>can you present an actual use case for this active directory thing?
My client needs VDI users to access website A through chrome, website B through edge and for some reason website C through internet explorer. These need to be shortcuts in their desktop. Only for VDI users, the laptop users must all be forced to use edge.
So I make all these rules through a GPO and apply them to the users/machines I want based on how I've organized them in AD.

Not the other guy trashing linux to bait more (you)s but I'm interested in reading a detailed remaking of this with linux, since I never looked into a linux alternative for AD despite using it for many other things.
I have many other random specific examples like this, you never know the retarded things clients will want for their caged wagies.

>>108629896
Kek this nigger has never worked in a serious organization and it shows

>>108629922
>linux servers
>servers
This is about clients. Also there's a lot of windows servers out there but not as often public-facing.
>>108629876
>that's what user accounts and groups are for on unix-like systems.
Yes, but how do you synchronize them reliably across 100s of systems? Both the permissions, users and passwords. If there is network it should check the main server for the true password before reaching desktop.
Maybe it's trivial, it's a genuine question.

>>108628493
Just to steel man as a moment, as someone who has had to deal with Linux systems that use AD and thinks sssd is an overcomplicated piece of shit, a central directory is convenient at large organizations with distributed responsibiity. Instead of needing some IT worker to update group memberships and access when managers request it, the groups can just manage their own AD groups.

There's nothing special that AD adds here that linux-based LDAP couldn't, other than increasingly bizarre performance problems that are hard to debug because Windows is all a black box. But if you have a low-end bandwagoner CIO/CTO who does enterprise IT on the windows stack, AD is probably what you are stuck with.

>>108628493
Windoes permission model is convoluted but it's far more expressive than basic posix perms.

>>108629922
>give a specific example of a thing you would do with this active directory bloatware and it will 99% of the time either have a simple solution using tools available on most linux distros, or not be required at all because it was caused by microjeet to begin with.
>>108630075
>My client needs VDI users to access website A through chrome, website B through edge and for some reason website C through internet explorer.
Not that guy, but I'm pretty sure this is the kind of BS that he's talking about when he says "caused by microjeet to begin with." He's not here to offer practical solutions, just point out how insanely retarded the software world is. I remember back in fucking 2003 working for a company that used a ticketing system that could only launch from internet explorer but ran in a separate Java window (and it was a complete piece of shit user interface). It timed out after like 10 minutes of inactivity requiring you to reload the whole thing, and the java applet was extremely greedy for RAM. The entire thing was completely retarded.

A situation where employees need to acccess 3 different webshitter apps that are somehow browser-specific and require a VDI is the kind of thing that only happens due to a comical cascade of bad decisions made by a clown car of technically ignorant leadership being scammed by sales dudes, memes and incompetent programmers.

I'm not here to say that this company should throw everything out and start over. At this point you've been locked in to the Microsoft stack and escaping now would be very costly and probably not worth it. They have you by the balls. I'm just trying to illustrate for you, what this looks like to the people who don't understand why people use Active Directory.

There’s no use case for a linux AD equivalent because nobody is deploying hundreds of Linux workstations for their business

>>108628389
LDAP stuff

>>108629822
>I now realize why enterprises are so hesitant to use loonix. holy shit there is literally no alternative to Windows when you have to manage thousands of workstations with even many more users.
What does Active Directory do that you can't do with Ansible?

>>108629822
I'm sure there are ways of managing hundreds of windows machines as well. I'm not aware of them personally.

>>108629822
>filtered by basic network protocols

>>108631112
google did

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goobuntu
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GLinux

>>108628389
A 50 line bash script for making new users.

>>108628389
setting up MIT krb5kdc and farming out the appropriate sssd configuration.
rest is meaningless slop.

Zentyal

>>108628389
LDAP

I have freeipa running inside a container. it is mostly just a glorified ldap server. I don't use the Kerberos stuff, not really relevant to my use case.

>>108631112
even if they are, it's 2026. zero-trust is now. old timey boomer shit like AD is pase. even M$ is trying to get into MDM slop with Intune. face it. your skillsets are dated and retarded.
sure, you'll have a job for a long time, but don't pretend what you do is good.

LDAP, Radius, Samba. What else do you need?

>>108631323
>What does Active Directory do that you can't do with Ansible?
GPO

>>108632452
That is LITERALLY the thing Ansible is designed to do, retard.

>>108628436
LDAP is just a shitty database. What makes AD so great is all the integration is has all over Windows and the entire network.
There is nothing on Linux that compares. Install OpenLDAP and that random LDAP database running on some server is all you get. No Kerberos. No Active Directory Services. No Group Policies.

Loonix systems simply don' work if the user doesn't have root access to the system.

>>108629906
What's terraform?

>>108632464
>Great Penis Offer
Uh it's like not?

>>108632452
GPO is a shitty meme. IDK why retards bring it up.
>heh, we hardened the server
>removes SeServiceLogonRight from NT Service\ALL SERVICES
>huh, when I restart the SEQUEL SURVUR it won't start up anymore.
>I know, I'll just run the service as SYSTEM and move on.

10/10, microjeet retards. GPO is just giving you enough rope to kill yourself with and still doesn't stop people who actually know that GPO is just fucking with HKLM registry hives or esoteric shitware like LSASS

>>108632471
>There is nothing on Linux that compares
nothing is stopping you from setting up kerberos on a Linux machine. You can do winauth just fine, even with the in-kernel cifs driver as well. I know most Lincucks don't actually know how anything works, but I read comments like this and just assume it's incompetence. Really there is no major difference other than that M$ shitware is click-ops for babbies.

>>108632452
GPO is an abstraction of the registry hive. "GPO" is no different than config files on a linux system, which would be handled by Ansible.

>>108632514
ya, for the most part. ansible shit that's properly "idempotent" and what not, should do all the same config-drift remediating bullshit GPO would give you. More work perhaps, but I still stand by my claim that GPO is just a rope to hang yourself with.

Retards go buck wild on those policies and end up breaking something for no good reason and then still allow insane shit like NTLM auth or insecure krb tickets.

lol, the most unemployed thread today.

There’s no Linux alternative to azure
There’s no Linux alternative to intune
There’s no Linux alternative to exchange
There’s no Linux alternative to windows

>>108629724
NixOS solves this

>>108628450

>>108628462
Seems like you've never been employed in your life.

Format

>>108629896
You...don't know what you are talking about, do you?

Educate yourself. See >>108629906

Better yet, use fucking Google.

>>108633351
>>108633095
>>108632873
>>108632573
linux does not have the registry so literally none of this shit is required. you still haven't defined a specific use case of something you'd do with AD that
>you can't do on linux
>isn't just working around some microjeet nonsense to begin with

>>108633351
>Educate yourself. See >>108629906 #
the world runs on linux servers being deployed and configured en masse, automatically. again, what do they need this active directory crap for?

>>108633782
Again, you have never had any experience with the average corpo world that still runs on Windows workstations and can only regurgitate how "Linux dominates the server world" ad nauseam.

Hundreds of workstations. Word. Excel. Dedicated internal software developed for the company. You set up Active Directory so that every workstation within the domain will automatically be deployed with everything that's needed for employees to do their work. There is no GNU/Linux on these workstations, nor LibreOffice, nor anything else you've led yourself to believe by spending your entire life reading NEET schizos on /g/.

It's all Microsoft Windows, and Active Directory is there to make everything work buttery smooth. And no, a bunch of Bash scripts won't be the way GNU/Linux will dethrone Windows in these space that makes up the majority of global Windows installs. You either deliver an equally good product, with a company like Red Hat behind it so there is an actual entity to be legally liable if anything goes wrong, or no one is even going to humor the idea of switching to GNU/Linux.

Pro tip: if fighting reality and refusing to accept gets too tiring, just go back to stroking it to Valve making games work on Linux and praising laughably inaccurate percentages from StatCounter and Steam Hardware Survey, since you're too stubborn, inept and unemployed to understand anything that's being talked about here.

>>108630832
He asked for a use case so I gave him one.
I understand your points but this is the real world and some of my clients are like hospitals or banks that have been using a specific app because of a specific real world device that they bought 17 years ago and it would cost them millions to replace. Of course every meeting where they present the problem I ask first if we can abandon this dumb requirement but the answer is always no and many times it's not just a matter of stubborn decisions from management, the alternative is really just not feasible or would sink the company.

Still waiting for my simple use case shown in Linux, anyone feel free to answer.

>>108633774
>isn't just working around some microjeet nonsense to begin with
But anon if the average company is plagued by microjeet and you're selling services to them, then these use cases ARE relevant and Linux must have an answer to them.

>>108633774
So your little temper tantrum is rebuilding entire networks with hundreds or thousands of production PCs because you're too much of a pants-shitting sperglord to comprehend the work involved. Reality doesn't adjust to your brain damaged demands, moron.

>>108632873
Azure is Linux
https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/solutions/linux-on-azure
https://github.com/microsoft/azurelinux

Intune works with Linux
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/intune/user-help/enrollment/enroll-linux

You can get Exchange server running on a Linux host, and Zimbra is a very capable replacement
https://www.zimbra.com/
https://itsfoss.com/microsoft-exchange-linux-desktop/

>There’s no Linux alternative to windows
This one is just retarded.

Always funny to see the number of slaves in threads like this, trapped in the IT hell of large corporations, refusing to see or accept it for what it is, defending it as if it's actually a GOOD thing.

>>108630075
>My client needs VDI users to access website A through chrome, website B through edge and for some reason website C through internet explorer. These need to be shortcuts in their desktop. Only for VDI users, the laptop users must all be forced to use edge.
I am sorry, but AD or no AD, this sounds completely retarded and a sign of an underlying problem.
The fact that AD allows you to run that scenario does not really make it shine in any way.

>>108629765
>Windows' market domination
Not sure you know what domination means. Windows is relegated to trivial tasks like email and Powerpoint machines.
The computing world is dominated by Linux systems.

>>108634314
The slaves are those who are powerless to oppose the system they work in. Windows users routinely complain about things Microsoft does, so…

>>108634400
>The computing world
And what exactly is your place in “the computing world”?

>>108634377
>this sounds completely retarded and a sign of an underlying problem
That's the whole purpose of an IT department, making shit work no matter how retarded it is. My job is to make the user feel no pain, so I jump through hoops and bang my head on the wall to make it so. If that wasn't the case, and we had a perfect world where that shit didn't happen I would be out of a job.

>>108629906
>incapable of competing with Windows in the desktop space
Not that it needs to.
Even without the desktop space, Linux is still the most widely used OS in the world, by far.

>>108634417
What do you mean my place?
You mean Linux? It's place is in running 90% of the whole fucking world's IT infrastructure. If it would disappear overnight, you would starve to death.

>>108634021
>Linux must have an answer to them.
Linux has had LDAP and Kerberos Auth for ages. The only thing that's hard (but not impossible) to do from Linux is Group Policy Orchestration of a large number of Windows workstations.

>>108633845
>Word. Excel
Truth is, no corporation needs thousands of people using word and excel. That's before you account for Excel being one of the most abused and misused pieces of software ever made, easily responsible for billions in lost revenue in the last two decades. I'm just saying if you have a company with thousands of employees, there's no fucking way that even a plurality of them actually need Word and Excel to do their job. Zero percent chance.

That has always been part of the big con. I was there when it happened, when big corps began making these mistakes at the behest of Microsoft sales teams during the "PC Revolution" of the late 90s and early 2000s. Companies moved from Unix-based mainframes and minicomputers to PC workstations. Instead of locked-down, limited dumb terminals that only did the specific tasks the workers needed to do, every single minimum wagie got their own desktop PC and could browse ebay and malware sites while they were supposed to be working.

I myself made money installing screen-recording software at these companies during this era. With everyone wasting time on their desktop PCs, QA processes had to be beefed up to include randomly selected evaluations of employees to be sure they weren't wasting company time playing with their computers. Of the hundreds/thousands that were exempt from this, a non-trivial percentage wound up with computers so insanely malware-ridden they were unusable and had to be re-imaged from scratch.

>>108634426
I would rather a sane solution be implemented.

>>108628389
none because why the fuck would you want one

>>108634441
You mean Its, not It’s.

Linux is certainly used for servers, but how is this relevant to desktop use in an office? I get the feeling you’re going to claim you use the same system on your computer that powers super computers, I can just feel it coming soon.

>>108632471
there was
https://zorin.com/grid/
>Coming Soon
it's been like 10 years though

>>108634453
The AD anon has given about a dozen reasons in this thread. You don’t use or know anything about it, you just reflexively oppose it because ‘microsoft bad’. It’s the exact same story when someone asks for an Excel replacement on Linux: Anons who don’t even use spreadsheets start chiming in when they should be quiet.

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>>108628389
What about alternative to KerBearos?

>>108634472
yeah and why the fuck do I wanna use spreadsheets lol imagine having to use spreadsheets

>>108634472
>The AD anon has given about a dozen reasons in this thread.
There's only one real reason: you need to do Group Policy Orchestration of Windows Workstations at scale.
That's literally it.
Everything else people are arguing about is downstream of that.

>>108634477
Spreadsheets are incredibly useful anytime you want to enter, display and compute data.

>>108634445
Sometimes you can't because of legacy software, and the people who wrote it went out of business so you're stuck with it unless the boss is willing to fork a 1 million for a replacement. It is retarded but what can you do

>>108634444
>Instead of locked-down, limited dumb terminals that only did the specific tasks the workers needed to do, every single minimum wagie got their own desktop PC and could browse ebay and malware sites while they were supposed to be working.
Genuinely the only alternative to AD and more, I think trying to replicate AD on Linux is doomed to fail and fall short but instead of general computing machines a single-purpose terminal might make more sense.

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>>108632471
>Kerberos is an Active Directory feature
The Unix world has had support for Kerberos auth since the late 90s and early 200s.

>>108634477
How low would you say your IQ is? About 75 on a good day?

>>108634455
>I get the feeling you’re going to claim you use the same system on your computer that powers super computers
You don't?

Yes, I use the same system that powers:
supercomputers
your servers
your router
your phone
your microwave
your TV
your car
your hobby RaspberryPi projects

You see what I mean? It's deemed suitable for all of that.

>>108634495
>It is retarded but what can you do
If it is retarded, then I guess Windows will be right at home.

>>108634523
That’s because the kernel has a very permissive license, and it’s easy to customize and tailor for specific purposes. That doesn’t mean linux automatically becomes the best kernel for any of those domains, but being free and “good enough” will make it the most commonly used.

You also cannot stretch that to claim the linux desktop is the best solution to every home or corporate problem.

Can you understand this like a tool, and not some lifestyle you must slavishly defend? Remember, you have had absolutely nothing to do with any of it, so you really ought not to take personal offence to every critique you see. But, everyone knows what you lot are like, and here you are in a thread about Active Directory being easily baited to trot out the tired “MUH SUPER KOMPUTER” argument.

>>108634515
>I think trying to replicate AD on Linux is doomed to fail
Nobody is bothering to try (other than Ansible, I guess) because the only AD features that haven't already existed in the Linux world for ages are the Group Policy configuration management stuff and if that matters to you, it probably means you're already heavily invested in a relationship with Microsoft.
The only way to compete is to find people looking to escape Microsoft lock-in, which probably means they need to ditch the entire Group Policy oriented paradigm.

>>108634520
Only Mid IQ people use spreadsheets for everything.
High IQ people use spreadsheets sparingly because they understand that they are an inferior tool for most applications.

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>>108634551
>you have had absolutely nothing to do with any of it
Actually I do. It affects all of us.
Big tech has been progressively encroaching on our lives, reducing our freedoms in every chance they get.
Having a "hobby" open-source OS beating the biggest company in the world's OS is a breath of fresh air.

>>108634518
sex

>>108634565
So what's the **alternative** to AD on Linux then?

>>108634575
Who said “for everything”? They’re incredibly useful for quite a large number of data related tasks, or even as just a fancy calculator, where you need to branch out equations.
>>108634580
Big tech are the only reason your hobby OS works. Who do you think bullied the hardware manufacturers to commit to standards? Microsoft. Thank your local Microsoft, Intel and Red Hat kernel contributor today.

>>108634580
>open-source OS beating the biggest company in the world's OS
News to me. Getting a little cocky with that 5.33% steam hardware survey? It’ll be 2-3% soon enough.

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>>108634603
>commit to standards
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguish

>>108634620
>steam hardware survey
Yes, the last bastion of Windows usefulness is eroding rapidly.

It doesnt exist. Troonix is for PHP and webslop.

>>108629891
>you don't understand the mind of a microshitter. the tool probably does 1000 random tangentially related things at once for historical reasons and he is confused that an exact equivalent doing the same 1000 different things does not exist on other platforms.
this

>>108629906
>AD just works.
nothing MicroJeet ever made 'just works'

>>108634603
>They’re incredibly useful for quite a large number of data related tasks
No, not really.
Not better, in most cases than, using real programming environments/languages with a more disciplined separation between code and data. (Matlab, R, even Javascript/Typescript and Python).

>even as just a fancy calculator, where you need to branch out equations.
Exactly, it's basically just a fancy calculator that some people prefer for ad hoc scribbling. In other words: a secondarily useful tool that some people prefer and find convenient but for which there are plenty of other suitable and powerful tools that are easy to learn if a spreadsheet wasn't available.

It's useful when you need to manually input data in a 2d grid format, or if you're doing a throwaway task and want to manually modify and format some data for presentation rather than writing code to generate proper results reliably (or if its input for something else, writing proper code to handle the malformations or edge cases properly). Beyond that it's just a minor preference.

>>108634707
AD is the one thing they make sure "just werk"

>>108634673
>Standards
BIOS, PnP, ACPI, UEFI, etc…

There’s a famous email where Bill Gates is lamenting that doing all the hard work to make the hardware guys comply with their standards, that it makes it easier for linux to compete.

>>108634710
Yes, yes really. You fucking retard. Saying “write a python program” every time you want a spreadsheet is the most retarded response I see here, and I sincerely hope I’m dealing with just one retard and there’s not more of you. You totally miss the presentation side of the problem, and the ease in which technical and not-technical people alike can easily edit the data with all recalculations performed immediately in front of them. Rather than replacing excel, those languages you mentioned can augment excel by consume and generating data to/from spreadsheets.

This is off topic for the thread, but office generates about 100 billion in revenue each year, what do I care if some idiot fails to understand it?

>>108634707
Grow up.

How is this thread still going? OP received perfect answers here:
>>108628436
>>108628450
>>108628454
>>108628727
The rest of the thread is just clueless tween trolls and /v/irgins flamebaiting each other.

t. Responsible for ~140 workstations (all but three run Windows), 5 Linux servers, 2 Windows servers, dozens of printers, scanners, VoIP shit, and an assortment of network appliances that form the digital backbone of a relatively large business. Your operating system or favorite corporation should not be a fundamental part of your identity as a human being. If it is, you have abandoned your claim to personhood, and shall forever be a nigger.

>>108634400
>The computing world is dominated by Linux systems.
So what's the point of decades worth on Linxufags sperging about how superior they are to Windows and constantly trying to get people to move to Linux, when, as you've said, "Linux dominates the computing world"? If it already won, why are you still all so fucking insufferable everywhere one goes on the web?

Oh that's right, like every Linuxfag, you're being a disingenuous fuck and arguing semantics because I was 100% right, you're and unemployed NEET that never had any practical work experience and you cannot, even if your worthless little life depended on it, make a valid technical argument why Active Directory is useless. All you can do is act like a smug cunt to "win" and Internet argument where for the n-tm time you "prove" the "superiority" of Linux, since again, you are an unemployed NEET and your life is just that fucking empty that this is all you do every day. Fucking pathetic.

>>108634673
>Yes, the last bastion of Windows usefulness is eroding rapidly.
All of Steam's users don't even make up 5% of global Windows users. Just admit you're an unemployed NEET that has wasted years of his life being a keyboard warrior trying to defend the superiority of his shitty little toy OS while the rest of the world treats OS' not as a filler for a lack of personality, but as a tool, and choose one that works the best.

Again, don't be crying when Valve gathers more data, hell, even from China again, and your 5.33% suddenly goes down. Not like you'd be capable of understanding what those percentages mean given how you just love going out of your way to show the world you're all cozied up on Peak of Mt. Stupid and refuse to move on to Valley of Despair, just like every single loud-mouthed Linux user online.

>>108634865
>(all but three run Windows)
So what did your company choose? RHEL?

Linux is made by communists. There’s no alternative for business oriented software because they are ideologically opposed to businesses

>>108634778
Kek you are describing exactly the reasons spreadsheets are ass.
>you can modify the data and see the changes immediately
>you can modify the data
In other words it's unreliable. You cannot trust anything that's been through excel. There's a 0% chance it's not riddled with errors.
>muh presentations
Exactly. BS. Circlejerking and internal propaganda for fools who make bad decisions because they don't really understand the facts and data.
>office generates revenue
Not relevant at all to the point that most people who use excel would be better served with something else

>>108636796
Expecting office workers to program in python instead of using excel is peak delusion

>>108636019
>what's the point of decades worth on Linxufags sperging about how superior they are to Windows
Because there are still people naively clamouring that Windows is hot shit.

>you're and unemployed NEET
I work in IT/OT infrastructure in the energy sector.
We moved all our systems away from Microsoft based shit to local Linux servers and we reduced our Azure bill by 1/8th and everything runs better and faster now.
That is ONE EIGHT of the resource costs. And there's a lot more we can move away from MS.

>>108636883
Oh, I thought /g/ told me now everyone could vibe-code or some shit.

>>108634725
You're thinking of MS SQL Server. There are still blogposts of idiots shooting their dick off with AD. There is a whole cottage industry of shitty IdP tools, including M$ Azure ones, to manage it. AD does not "just work."

>>108636019
You seem really insecure. Fact is most Linux users could not give less of a fuck how much money you want blow on unnecessary software and IT infrastructure. Most of the thread is stockholm syndrome windows fags sharing copes and reassuring themselves that Linuxfags are totally just neets who don't have real jobs.

>>108637809
>most Linux users could not give less of a fuck how much money you want blow on unnecessary software and IT infrastructure
They seem to give enough of a fuck to constantly pester any discussion on the board to make people switch to their tinker toy though. Not one day passes on this board without you faggots having to constantly reiterate your superiority, since that's definitely not a sign of insecurity. After all, if you're so superior, why bother constantly reminding how superior you are? Rich people don't have to go around reminding everyone they're rich, they just are.

But I get it, if you project your own insecurities onto others that'll make you feel better about the fact that no matter how bad Windows gets, desktop Linux is still an unstandardized mess that no one dares to touch in any serious application, while Linuxfags like (You) constantly declare that your biggest weakness is your biggest strength.

I'm done playing your childish game though, hope you've had enough entertainment out of me to last you a day, since I know damn well you'll be doing the same shit in other threads given that's all you have to do in your sad little life.

>>108636883
No, I'm saying that most office workers using excel are not adding value and should be laid off or their companies should go out of business. Or else, their use of it is trivial and has no real effect on revenue or performance one way or the other.

This as opposed to workers doing real analytics with real tools and real data.

>>108637962
Excel is the real tool. Your hobbyist view point isn’t reality

>>108637862
So basically 100% of your knowledge about Linux users comes from /g/, and my knowledge of both comes from 25 years of experience using both Windows and Unix professionally in a variety of business environments.

>>108628389
Oracle TM Unified Directory TM, only $5m/seat/year!

>>108638058
You are the one who thinks reality is only what you see, which is appears to consist entirely of /g/ trolls and the one dysfunctional enterprise you worked for.

>>108628436
>le epic 4chan disinformation
AD implements and supports LDAP that's it.
Novell tried to fight MS in its days and got rekt.

>>108633845
Actual truth nuke, I gave up on desktop linux at home too after years of exclusive use.
It's just not worth the hassle.

I'll keep running it where it's good, servers.
That's it. You can actually use the best system for the use-case, crazy I know.

>>108637638
>we reduced our Azure bill by 1/8th
>That is ONE EIGHT of the resource costs
>t. doesnt know how fractions work
most intelligent linux user award

>>108634474
grindr

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>>108638400
You sure told me.
You are right, Windows is da best!

>>108636796
I'm sorry, but what are you talking about? If you enter data into a python program, or enter it into an excel spreadsheet there's still the potential for errors. I use spreadsheets all the time, I honestly wouldn't dream of writing small programs for the kinds of things I do with them, I can only assume that you're just wholly unfamiliar with the concept and are repeating someone else's misinformed opinion. Even if it's Microsoft derangement syndrome, you at least have LibreOffice Calc or OnlyOffice.

My least complicated spreadsheet is used for managing my collection of rare books. The main fields are just Title, Price, Purchase Date. With pivot tables, it's obviously trivial to extract summaries from the listing.

How do you think Python improves this situation? Or maybe your brain has been trained data = SQL. You think I want it in an SQL database? It's certainly not going to be backed by some CSV file, which is fragile as hell if you ever want to move fields around. When I want to check if I have something, right an SQL query?

>>108636883
These people do not live in the real world. You might as well ask a hobo why he doesn't have safety deposit box in a Swiss bank.

>>108636041
>So what did your company choose? RHEL?
Basically. Four run CentOS. One runs Ubuntu.

>>108628433
tpbp

>>108628389
There is no "Linux" alternative to anything. The UNIX alternative to AD is X.500.

>>108628436
>>108628751
>>108629734
You guys know that LDAP stands for, right? LIGHTWEIGHT Directory Access Protocol. So, what does that mean? LDAP is a lightweight version of X.500.

>>108628389
Red Hat Directory Server

>>108642470
>trade one evil for another

>>108628504
I walk to each machine and manually update the passwords

>>108643056
B A S E D

>>108643056
>Lean over the hot secretary, don’t mind me.

>>108643071
>>108643080
You think I’m joking? This is for real, my manager doesn’t want to use Active Directory since it’s “too much work to maintain”

>>108633774
>azure runs on linux
>intune runs on linux and can be used to manage linux pcs
>exchange is shit compared to any linux mail server
>rhel/fedora/debian/ubuntu etc etc

>>108628504
Just use Keycloak or Authentik or any other identity meme

>>108643104
Too based for this world my friend.