Right now, you need some background in programming to vibe code. At least like, 1 year schooling or equivilant. Realistically, do you think these LLMs will become powerful enough for normies to generate entire complex programs in a few prompts?I feel that all this knowledge I've learned about machine code, compiler/linkers, all this low level stuff I've learned is for nothing now.
your image made me chuckle. also not knowing a single thing about programming yet using AI to create code is a highway to problems, which is why so many systems are being exploited right now (and user data leaked).
>>108629158I think maintainability will be an issue in the long run
>>108629158Are there not other companies plugged into this retard circle?
>>108629158>Realistically, do you think these LLMs will become powerful enough for normies to generate entire complex programs in a few prompts?No. Mostly because most "complex" programs cannot be effectively described in a prompt without having some amount of software engineering knowledge beforehand. The more complex the problem, the more knowledge is required from the prompter.One-shot generating some simple web services probably isn't out of the question though.
>>108629158It's already like that. But only for the stuff you pay top dollar for. The free or cheap stuff, not yet, and probably not ever.
The moment you have to describe technicalities in any way, shape or form, it's already not vibe coding anymore. The AI should fully and completely determine the language, framework, tooling and testing to use for the project. You shouldn't have to edit a single file. And yes, that's a fucking pipe dream and doesn't work right now.
>>108629158No, it's good enough for webshit as that doesn't require intelligence.But any moderately complex problem will need agi to solve which these llm completly lack.
>>108629158Your image is literally how the modern American economy works. You can replace those 3 companies with a variety of others, and hell, even whole sectors. You aren't as smart as you think.
>>108629352This is simply untrue.The systems created by AI are much more maintainable than systems already created by DEI hires and brownoids.
>>108629158no.there's no such thing as "generation" to a computer. it is only what you put into it. people have forgotten that. computers are literally only what we make them. same for these black boxes. we are not perfect, our premise on how they work is flawed, and probably flawed in ways we don't even see yet.so that years down the line we will have the consequences of our misunderstanding bite us in the ass. happens every time.like think about what you're asking.>can the machine we built, eventually make complex things that we never prompted it forno. if you want a complex system, you have to understand a complex system, that will work, and explain it to the black box. bare minimum.
>>108629938The problem is management will also try to replace the skilled developers.
>>108630079No, they'll keep one.Just one.That one will be expected to manage everything singlehandedly.
>>108629158LLM usage provably declines your cognitive abilities and it especially lowers your tenacity which is paramount for solving difficult problems. And that isn't surprising because you are literally outsourcing your own brain function to a statistical model that you in most cases don't even own, and everything humans don't use like muscles or the brain eventually withers. My bet is in about 5 years the vast majority of programmers (pretty much anyone doing anything with LLMs really) will be so brainfucked, slopped and lazy that they probably couldn't even put together a fizzbuzz function even if you told them how. This is when the people who avoid LLMs will get to shine as they'll be the last ones able to actually figure anything out and more importantly able to improve things, as LLMs will languish under the constant self-feeding of code slop that will occur the more code LLMs will write.
>>108629584>One-shot generating some simple web services probably isn't out of the question though.yeah but at that point you're on such well-trod ground that it's basically just data lookup, not code generation
>>108630093And he won't be able to, because it's still a lot of work.It might not look like it, but you still waste a lot of time fighting with the prompt.
>>108630210Skill issue
>>108630152>the constant self-feeding of code slop that will occur the more code LLMs will writeI think this will be a real problem.
>>108630164Which is why it might actually work.
>>108629158>Realistically, do you think these LLMs will become powerful enough for normies to generate entire complex programs in a few prompts?Eventually yes.>I feel that all this knowledge I've learned about machine code, compiler/linkers, all this low level stuff I've learned is for nothing now.Yes.
taking aside retarded cultism around vibe coding, those who spit prototypes with it and stay for a reasonable time on one thing are doing no differently than coders do - following the steps into the dark machine, one step after another step. step by step. the size and the dimension of the step is irrelevant.
>>108630215Nta but using ai is the skill issue, you're now taking at least 20% more time to do work if you're already a dev but let's face it this is /g/ so you probably never wrote a line of code EVER and when your vibe coded slop completely collapses on itself you'll be begging for someone who took a few hours of their life to read a book
>equivilantIt's "equivalent", you high-school dropout zoomers.
>>108630476>taking at least 20% more time to do worLOL. The copium is immense holy shit. Are you doing this intentionally or are you actually just retarded?>so you probably never wrote a line of code EVER And now the (untrue) ad-hominems come lashing out. I am a dev with 8 years experience, and have been "vibe coding" (read: using LLM tooling to assist coding) since ChatGPT. The difference between AI in 2023 and AI in 2026 is night and day. Hell, even early 2025 to late 2025 was a paradigm shift.If you are still in full denial mode, you're simply not going to make it.
>>108631008Just because you've been slapping together code snippets from SOF and GFG for 8 years in Microsoft Word does not mean you're a dev with 8 years of experience, Ranjeet.
>>108631016I accept your concession.
>>108631008>even early 2025 to late 2025 was a paradigm shiftWhich paradigm shifted?
>>108629158you gotta pay gazillion dollars for it
>>108631263The biggest change really was that the models all got much better and more accurate at function/tool calling with less mistakes.This allowed the harnesses (Claude code, codex, OpenCode, Copilot, etc.) responsible for parsing the model output to get better and more reliable, and allowed the type of tools exposed via MCP servers to get better.
>>108631008>I am a dev with 8 years experienceDoing what, exactly? PHP? Javascript?
>>108631455C++, Python, Lua, Shell scripting.For the first few years i was just using it as a glorified search engine and maybe a bit of autocomplete... But in the last few months my entire workflow has changed into just prompting the LLM agent, reviewing the output, tweaking a few things, then prompting again.I was never a big fan of TDD prior to this, but now I'm increasingly noticing the value of having a solid outline of tests _before_ you start implementing code. Having a strict set of pre-defined tests keeps the agent from veering too far off course.
>>108629158Maybe in a decade or so, but remember that all that matters is that AI gets just good enough to be able to do the bare minimum. Managers and higher-ups don't give a fuck about quality and maintainability. Speed is king now.AI being the state that it is isn't stopping tech bros and MBAs from claiming that they can replace programmers. In reality, they don't understand shit and are just larping.At the end of the day, true programmers will always be needed, but they may be just relegated to legacy codebase stuff and stuff that AI retards can't understand.>>108629938Hard disagree. The DEI hires and brownoids are the ones mainly being pushed to use AI so the code generated is double AIDs to deal with. Again, not that anyone cares
>>108629158In 10 years maybe.
>>108632051>C++>LuaDon't really need to know more.
>>108629158a scheme to steal investors money
>>108629352I think the opposite. By the time the current vibecoded codebases need serious maintenance work done coding models will have developed enough to be able to do so and reimplement a lot of the current slop.
>>108630220hey you stole my image asshole
What is going to happen is that with better models you can be more and more abstract.Right now juniors and intermediates are essentially useless because to generate good code you need to describe the exact stack + algorithms + expected complexity. Juniors and intermediates usually still iterate on their code and don't know exactly what they want to implement when they start coding. Seniors usually know exactly what they want to implement and typing it out is the bottleneck which is why you see companies focus on seniors right now.As the technology gets better you can be more and more ambiguous in your prompt. Which will enable first intermediates, then juniors to take advantage. Eventually however it can just be some 80 iq ape saying "I want app with tits n shit bitch" and it will create the best possible app, even figuring out from prompt writing style and grammar/spelling errors what type of person they are interacting with so they make the perfect application for that person, that's where software engineering will be truly dead.Luckily for us software engineers that is at least a year or two away still so we have some time to pivot and save some money.
>>108632329Juniors have always been dead weight, now you have juniors that ask less questions and ship faster. It's not only management but seniors that are starting to tolerate it as long as they get to review code
Vibe funding.
>>108629158Vibe coding is one of the most cringe things that a person can possibly do. It's like getting a robot to build a house for you, while having no carpentry experience of your own.What are you going to do when your customer requests that the house be built or modified in a way that the robot can't achieve? What if the customer requests a special type of room to be added onto the house, but the robot that you use doesn't know how to do that? What if you just simply lose access to your LLM? Do you just tell your customer that you can't do it for them?What if your LLM makes a mistake and won't fix it? How are you going to go in and manually error-correct the code if you don't even know how to? You're responsible for a product and you can't even tell me how it works. Absolutely top fucking kek.>I feel that all this knowledge I've learned about machine code, compiler/linkers, all this low level stuff I've learned is for nothing now.When the shit hits the fan, people like you will be the ones who clean up the mess and charge top dollar for your services. Keep doing what you're doing, OP.Vibe coding = Cringe and fucking pathetic.
>>108637404I feel the same whenever I'm playing factorio multiplayer and some retard just pastes in an oil refining blueprint which he has no fucking clue how it works.
>>108629158Seems given. Just look how software improvements made usage of computers from an expert task to something a child or senior could do comfortably.
>>108635470>As the technology gets betterIt will certainly get better, but we don't know exactly how much better it will get.Early indications are not very favourable to it's scaling.
>>108629158Ai is already powerful enough to replace codetrans. It’s just that they are sabotaging it.
>>108635457Why did you publish it on the internet then?
>>108637485Yeah, at a great cost no one wants to talk about.
>>108629158It's like saying someone can turn incoherent retard babble into the 16th century English is was always trying to be. It makes no sense. It's not possible. It's like the parents from the telepathy tapes saying their vegetable children are clairvoyant.
>>108635485I find it so funny that nocoders think AI is a win for them when all it does is make them more unnecessary than ever before. In the future you will need to have top tier skills to keep your job. Everyone else will be put on EBTs, starting with nocoders.
