How is putting the responsibility back on the parent for their child doing stupid things or being exposed to stupid things a bad thing? If you hand your child a device that isn't locked for 18+ things, wouldn't it be better to prevent them from suing you due to the fact that their child had access to an unrestricted 18+ device? Kind of like when a child gets access to the gun, the blame is passed to the parent. Why is this bad /g/?
Can someone explain why Judaism is bad?
>>108629389Because this is to make large corporations more money and control.At the same time give more control to the government with is in the same bed as the corpos.Additionally we have it now confirmed that the people running these corpos and governmental departments are all the same cannibalistic satanistic jewish pedo elite and their shabbos goy royalty.
>>108629389Can somebody explain why complete government control over my devices is bad? I am unsure.I really want the government to decide what code runs on my computer. I really like conpelled speech. We should all be made to say exactly what the government wants.
>>108629423>the people running these corpos and governmental departments are all the same cannibalistic satanistic jewish pedo eliteWhy is this bad /g/?
The devices that 99% of normalfags use (iPhones) have parental controls deeply embedded within the os already. You can set it up to tattle on every little thing your child's phone does if you desire. Parents already don't use it because they DONT want the responsibility. Again, device age verification isn't parental control, it's government control
>>108629389It's a trojan horse for incremental digital ID. The "for the kids" trope is played out at this point. I won't comply.
>>108629431Because we ain't in the club.
>>108629389Aside from the fact that this has nothing to do with protecting children, it is not putting the responsibility to the child. It is putting it to the OS providers and the government. A responsible parent is already parenting their child.
>>108629389Age verification (nothing FAGMAN does) is for the safety of children. Its for profit. And in this case it is for the mass surveillance
Reminder that this won't nor has anything to do with helping putting all the people in the Epstein file in jail, or directly in a grave.
>>108629389>THINK OF LE SOCIAL ACTIVISTS AND LINUX USERS (PEDOPHILES)yeah nah unc i want AI and chinese spies cleaned up off my internetliterally unless you have something to hide it doesnt matter
>>108629468why do you want to control the world in the same club as the pedo Jews?
>>108629389>ID is given to the company>Company separates users by age and sex>Company can sell such data for targeted ads, deals etc>All of the services that have been used were shown to have vulnerabilities and leaksBut the main one is:It's basically making a list of who is underage, and due to leaks, they are now much more easily targeted. It's like a search filter, if you think about. They can now easily see who is who in online accounts.
>>108629389Because the real purpose of age verification is most certainly NOT the protection of children.The souls of children are constantly being poisoned, crippled, destroyed by woke brainwashing and over-sexualization from the moment their parents hand them over to kindergardens and schools. Often even earlier, yes, often by their own parents, sadly. And who gives a fuck?Age verification is just a pretext to install a control system that would eventually allow the suppression of any undesired opinion by denying "access tokens" or some equivalent to individuals flagged as "not helpful" or "hostile". Age verification requires identity verification. This is what they actually want.
Having you input your age is fine. Having you provide your real life personal info to prove you are of age is not fine. Not on an operating system level.If it was only ever used to age verify, while still a gross way to do it, would be somewhat acceptable. However there is NO way corporations and governments who have your identity would leave it at that. They will monitor you and use the data for advertising and control. If you step out of line (downloading pirated software, having wrong political opinions, going to non-approved websites etc.) will get you on a list and/or a visit from the coppers. Not immediately but down the line. Slippery slope. I can't believe there would be ANYONE naive enough to think this will not happen after looking at the absolute state of the western world today.
>>108629389>If you hand your child a device that isn't locked for 18+ things, wouldn't it be better to prevent them from suing you due to the fact that their child had access to an unrestricted 18+ device?my child... them (my child?) sue me because THEIR child (???)no offence but what the fuck are you trying to communicate
Basically they want to jail everyone who doesn't believe all the communist propaganda like climate change for example
>>108629389Because>age verification>CoC compliance verification>social credit verification>party loyalty verification>hourly serf verification>b-b-b-but slippery slope!!Verify your brain, I think it's missing.
>>108630146Learning that slippery slope fallacy is bullshit only comes with age.
>>108629389Because it's not 'verify your age', it is plain old ID verification for everyone.Since humanity never had a corruptless government in forever, the last thing you want is to give an entity that attracks corruption, more power and control.
>>108629389I don't want my full doxx out there, that's why.>but but butevery pinky promise "we'll delete it" was a lie, and every database like this has been leaked.
>>108629401metzitzah b'peh
>>108630182the slippery slope was named a fallacy by those who love to exploit it
>>108629389>How is putting the responsibility back on the parent for their child doing stupid things or being exposed to stupid things a bad thing?That's not what is happening. If a parent wants to prevent their child from accessing 18+ content there are a massive number of effective tools to do so. What age verification for everyone does is take responsibility AWAY from parents, which is why moms love it so much. How the fuck are children getting access to expensive that aren't locked down by their parents?
>>108629389As has been said plenty of times before, the solution has overreachin your example, it's a parents responsibility to ensure that their child can't access their gun, or it's the parents ass. I don't have a child, so I don't need such measures, and ordering me to keep my own gun in a lockbox has absolutely no effect on keeping other children protected do you see.Now you tell me, why should I have to make concessions because of the decisions of other people. use any scenario you like, really tax your brain and think of a situation where the actios and decisions of complete strangers become your own responsibility. The best I can come up with is medical emergencies, someone eats crap until their heart gives out in front of you, but even in that situation you aren't required or mandated to call an ambulance, that's more of a social obligation than a legal one
>>108630206>What age verification for everyone does is take responsibility AWAY from parents, which is why moms love it so much.outlawing single motherhood would be so much better than this shit
>>108630206Oops, meant to say 'expensive devices'. There's age restriction tech on iphones, android, PCs, and it's opt in. You get them a device that tells services specifically "I am not over 18, do not give me 18+ content" and since you're on a locked down device you don't work around it. Mandatory age verification for everyone is big daddy government giving you a locked down device even though you're a fucking adult.
>>108629389This happened because Musk broke the dam that was used to control the narrative and propaganda. The WEF boycotted his company. The media elites boycotted him. The marxists tried to kill him and his companies.All because he unplugged the internet from becoming being under an absolute censorship.
>>108629431>when your response is based on halfbaked philisophy rather than argumentNo one can force you to care about the wider world, but it is maintained by other people where 99% of your resources come from. Balance self and other.
>>108629389There's a difference between the age verification for buying alcohol or watching mature rated movies, and the your ID will be stored in government servers and if you say the wrong thing, can be arrested.It was never about "protecting the kids", it's about controlling the general populace like sheep.
>>108629389>Your computer ID has been detected to be browsing antisemetic websites, and our AI has profiled you as a potentially dangerous person. All computers associated with your ID are now banned from the internet.
>>108630330no, you'll get debanked and barred from all forms of transportation, even cycling after (((they))) find an excuse to ban non-electric bikes
>>108629389how is this putting any responsibility back on the parents? none of the suggested laws do. go fucking read them. the national one requires proof of age, but kicks the responsibility of how off TBD. that's going to end poorly with companies choosing solutions from ID verification companies that are backed by thiel and have been hacked in the past. ok, so the parent helps their child prove they are in fact a child and completes registration. then EVERYTHING is foisted upon other people and the parent isn't making any other choices. apps have to check ages and decide what's appropriate. websites will have to check ages and decide what's appropriate. not parents. parents aren't a part of any of the actual function of things.all of this theater about how this gets parents involved is crap. this does nothing to help parents decide or get them more involved in their child's life.
>>108629389>How is allowing the overreach of the state into our lives using bad parenting as the excuse a bad thing?Stop dehumanizing kids, treating them as stupid godlings and acknowledge their humanity, the good and the bad. The feminist vision that they are beings of light that must be protected at all cost (while also promoting mass baby murder via abortion lol) and using that as an excuse to fuck their entire future with Orwellian shit and then not giving a fuck about them after reaching magical age is beyond myopic and goes against human nature.You want to protect society's mental sanity? We should be banning social media, all of it, and specially the facebook meta cucks since they are the ones lobbying for this shit.That won't happen though because this is not about fixing social problems, it's instead a power grab using children as a shield.
>>108629423>>108629428How is the government controlling your devices? You can always compile the os or remove the age verification module. I'm asking why it's bad to make it the default on consumer devices that lazy parents are just going to hand over to their kids. How would this even affect you if you can just remove it or choose not to use the age verification code?
>>108631798because when the kids remove it to get access to porn, they are going to demand it be made unremovable
>>108629990because then I'd get to fund actually good anime adaptations and fund games I wanna play and build a whole ass town with a good social structure and the best fucking fruit trees of the entire world and the coolest cars and pcs and literally everything elsebillionaires are so fucking soulless, they can't even have fun with all the money they have
>>108631798I can't be bothered compiling an operating system. Also apparently they want accounts now? This is really good protectionism for tech companies that always want to track you (probably will also need account on FOSS).Slippery slope is 100% REAL.
>>108632695its utterly ridiculous what Linux is becoming and even more ridiculous that its most ardent supporters are ok with it all
>>108629389I think it depends on implementation.>setting associated with the local account, only ever stored locally, can be set to whatever when you set up the account, and cannot be changed without superuser permissionsI have no problem with this. It adds to existing parental control settings, and doesn't interfere with adults using their own devices freely. And I would use it if I set up an account for a kid.>submit all your government documents and a video selfie to a global surveillance company to get a token your device storesThis is a problem. It forces adults into more corporate surveillance systems if they want to use equipment they bought.
>>108629428Because you don't live for your own freedomBut as Zionist ran cattle ready to conform to the inhuman satanic atheist massesSo afraid of your own shadow that you want to punish society for itFear dominates your existenceThink and imagine of the worst things that could happen to you or someone you loveI don't need that insecurity creating a mass surveillance stateDon't tread on me
>>108632695There's enough pushback from guys like Louis Rossman or Rob BraxmanAnd they have huge audiences that came from a niche interest group within ITBut basic cybersecurity is mainstream now once women realize that their nudes uploading automatically to the cloud might not be good for their personal safetyJust resist and arm yourself incase pigs and criminals wanna wrangle you upDon't take shit from no one
>>108629389>How is putting the responsibility back on the parent for their child doing stupid things or being exposed to stupid things a bad thing? IHow is FORCED age verification for everyone putting the burden on the parent? It's literally the state parenting your children. Anyone above 30 who had real parents knows that.
>>108633367parents job: buying the most expensive phone model and helping their child go online, providing proof of identity/age so the phone has data on exactly who is using iteveryone elses job: preventing the child from accessing things that they legally shouldn't accessit takes a village to raise a child!
>>108633475more than a village, it takes literally billions of people submitting their personal information to the government to raise a child safely. how is that related? why are you asking, don't you think of the poor children? we need to protect them, so please give all your info to politicians
>>108629389Because checking whether someone is a child involves checking whether you are not a child. It opens up a vector where you can be tagged with your real id.Any purchase you made online, it's attached to you. Marketers can use $1,000,000 salary psycologists to further trick you to buy more useless stuff. They don't have to guess your info anymore because they know exactly who you are.Any comment you make online, it's attached to you. You said anything against the current political dogma? You are marked and can be fined/jailed (Europe) immediately.It's a dystopian oppression tool that's designed to give outside parties more control over your property (your computer) while hiding behind the veil of "protecting children".
>>108631798>You can always compile the os or remove the age verification module.99.9% of people will not do that. Because no one does that, you will also be flagged immediately because it will be a requirement. Also keep in mind half of the population is below 100 IQ.
just assume everyone is a child on the internet. if people want to access adult shit they can authenticate then. i don't want the 'adult' facebook or whatever. it just means they can do more evil shit since adults don't have some protections.
>>108633546Facebook is an adult productIntially Marketed towards college age adults to rate other's faces in the most psychotic Jewish Zionist wayAnd then it got transformed into a CIA databaseThats why all your peers flocked to it like a Rottweiler chasing a hot dog on a string off a cliffKeep children awayZuckerberg isn't humanAnd the world will be much better off when his corpse rots in the ground and becomes fertilizer for the gracious wormsFuck your concept of objectivity be a slaveJan 6th Insurrection was just the beginningThose brave patriots fighting against extremist censorship and forced identification via Vaccine mandateDemocrats will never hold power again If you want this war the patriots will fight blood tooth and nail
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>>108629389Parental controls are already a thing.Age verification for the device makes no sense if the parents can just verify devices for the children.It seems like it is being pushed for so that individual services don't have to implement their own age verification things, because it has already been verified on the device.
>>108631798>remove the module>out of 50000 computers you're the only one that doesn't have it>they know exactly who you areretard
>>108633546What counts as "Adult shit". Boring talks about politics? CSPAN? The news? Their own routers?The people who decide that will rule the world for 100 year.s That's why no one wants this. This entire dogshit non-problem is being introduced to decide who controls it all.
>>108633693>remove the moduleIt'll be "Fake you're in another country that doesn't require it". Like Iceland. Start buying VPS and VPN spacen ow.
I have a question. Will this spur interest in using laptops with older Operating Systems offline? I just bought a 2001 laptop and installed XP (no Service Pack) onto it. It runs real quick and can do cool things here and there with 90s software from Internet Archive. I love how "warez" is just available to download for fun.
>>108633713sorry bro, to buy this vpn we need to prove you're an adult, please submit some id.
>>108633713New Law: You need to ID verify to use a VPN.
>>108629977Trying too hard, glownigger
why should age verification be at the OS level and not a prereq for internet access?
>Why should the peasants be allowed bread *and* circuses?kek retards
>>108632695>g5>or controls the operating systemmeans you're criminally liable if you don't install the doxxing packages on linuxdeath to judeomeriKKKa when?
>>108634795The law states you have to take your id out of your wallet and go "yep I'm of age"
>>108634805and how do you think you>go "yep I'm of age" ?you'll have to post a selfie with your ID from an (((attested))) device (so if you don't want to use a smartphone, good luck)then look at the new IPv8 proposal, and you'll see that identity attestation is within the protocol, in such a way that it enables real time surveillance, and they'll use the excuse>he age verified for the child! reeeep.s. the slippery slope is only called a fallacy by those who benefit from it
>>108634816yes ipv8 is the end game where you need to plug in your id to access the internetno more making fun of communist propagandaThe european dictatorship already considers everyone who believes in photosynthesis a terrorist
>>108634838>already considers everyone who believes in photosynthesis a terroristI wish this was an exageration but they really do call you a "climate denier" if you point out that CO2 is plant food
>>108634816>then look at the new IPv8 proposalTo be fair that's a shitpost made by an AI, you're right about everything else though.
>>108631798>oy vey you can always just pick the hunk of shit out of your cornflakes goy
>>108634859I don't have the screencap on hand but the regime did release a statement equating a sane person who paid attention in school with religious terrorists who explode stuff
>>108629389>Can someone explain why device age verification is bad?Use your brain for literally five seconds...1) How are they going to verify you2) What are they going to do with the data they use to verify you3) ???????4) ANSWER!
>>108629428sadly it is like 50/50 if even that right now. I see just as much 'you shouldn't be allowed to disable the spyware!!" as I do "this spyware should be illegal!!"There's a tide of idiots the elites plan on riding right over the rest of us.
>>108629401TKD can't come soon enough
>>108634859these pieces of shit will just say whatever they can to silence opposition and get their way
>>108631798Dumbass. You will be FORCED to give biometric data. You will be logged for every petty crime you do on the internet like streaming a movie or disabling ads (yes, adblockers will be illegal once enforceable).Yes, you could give your stupid kid your porn account and his brain will rot all the same. Nothing is solved. Since social media is now an important part of cultural and social development, kids will be rounded up on age gated social media which grifters will be investing in and pedos will still be preying on them by claiming they made a 6th account for their dumb toddler.
>>108629389We do not need state or federal laws mandating age verification. It is dumb, it is the parent's responsibility. At the same time, most parents aren't the best, so some level of regulation is required or else the free market will abuse the vulnerable. The common sense middle ground is to do some regulation, but not to invade upon the privacy or freedom of other people to do so. An age gate is not an orwellian nightmare (at least it shouldn't be) - defining where the line should be drawn for orwellian bullshit is hard but i would say probably a good first step is fixing the long-ignored ID leaks problem which I have detailed in depth over the last 2 years. That problem needs to be solved first. It is a prerequisite problem to solving this one.
>>108634915Regulate people = OrwellianRegulate companies = desireableRegulate companies to coerce people = OrwellianIt's not hard anon.
>>108634864it's only a shitpost until it isn't
>>108629389I doesn't put the responsibility back to parent.It forces every adult citizen to identify themselves, in pretense of child safety.Not much different from the recent British laws, were government first passed the law under the similar wording of child. Now they want to ban vpn, block and fine web sites etc.I don't understand your gun analogy or a computer can be considered +18 device?The internet and general purpose device are two different things, second explicit content is not the internet in itself but a provided service of an entity.It actually poses additional problems, such asoffline installations. I.e MS Windows 11 does officially not support offline installations. User have to use non official circumventions, if they don't have a internet access.
>>108629389>putting the responsibility back on the parent for their child doing stupid things or being exposed to stupid thingsThis does the exact fucking opposite of those you mouthbreathing mongrel
>>108629389Guns don't have age verification on them. It's up to the owner to control who has access to them. Why should a computer be different? It's like we've decided that parents just have to be chill weed smoking kidfriends now and the government is the real parent.
>>108629389Because it's invasive and mandatory for all age groups. Parental control solutions have existed for decades, without requiring people to expose their age or birthdate to the operating system. Parents could also, you know, just not give their 8 year old a smartphone or tablet... Real parenting is long gone, it seems.
>>108629542Yes I agree with you on big tech's side but I think its a mix of child protection hysteria too. Investment in child protection is innate to all humans. We as humans evolved in a prehistoric world where childhood mortality was extreme. The side effect mismatch in the modern world is bullshit such as qanon like>>108629423>same cannibalistic satanistic jewish pedo elite is believed by so many people. 1/6 of the American population, and also why legal bills in the name of "child care" are so common. Also why anti Marijuana hysteria's biggest concern in the 1940s-1950s was "corrupting the youth". So what's really going on is normies are brainwashed by child protection impulses while big tech in bed with Government rakes in the doe.But on the devil's advocate for age verification side there is some evidence that children getting constant bombardment of notifications on their phone 24/7 may harm their mental health and mess up their sleep schedule for school, so maybe the issue is not to ban social media but get the tech companies to stop doom scrolling/addict design setups. Also the porn today like "sissy hypno" can really mess up people's heads reward pathways its not like the playboy magazines of the 90s or bikini chicks that I enjoy. My stance is strong against age verification, even though I understand the flip side argument (degen porn addiction, doom scrolling) and I love people who rebel like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcwPE0LIfdg>>108629428Reverse psychology using classical liberal logic, based.>>108629401All Abrahamic religions suck and promote harmful ideas, we should insult all of them while respecting the humans who are brainwashed. Remember, there is no creator God and everything can be explained 100% through natural processes.
>>108629434Yes. Which makes me VERY confident that this is not what it is about. Maybe it is literally just about protecting big tech. That way you can't escape the account tracking madness by going to FOSS.META did lobby in favour of it (picrel).
>>108629389>Can someone explain why device age verification is bad?
>>108629389The main problem is not the idea of storing DoB on your computer, but all the details of the laws surrounding it. >all applications downloaded from anywhere on the internet must send the user's age at launch, regardless of whether it's a social media app or something that doesn't even need the internet to work>no requirement to ask the user for consent, as that's moot given the user isn't allowed to use the OS without consenting to every single application doing age telemetry>all application developers must set up a log and collect events from every single time anyone anywhere in the world launches their application>applies to any OS that can download software from the internet regardless of whether it can even access social media services>any part of the OS is also subject to age telemetry requirements>burden and fines applied to OS developers and application developers, instead of social media service providersBut that's what happens when the language of the law is directly written by Meta. https://github.com/upper-up/meta-lobbying-and-other-findings
>>108629389Sure, lets do that, devices that on boot request you to confirm you are an adult, and let the parents do that before handing them to their kids.But no id, credit card, face scan, biometry, or certificate needed to do that.Lets now see how it's being made in germany, everybody is a child until you prove, with a government issued ID, you are an adult.You need to trust they will correctly apply Zero-knowledge proof, properly store and protect the data, never change the backend to spy on you or get hacked.>"The European AgeVerification app is technically ready. It respects the highest privacy standards in the world. It's open-source, so anyone can check the code..."Yet the release was a disaster several bugs were discovered in less than 24 hours.I'm against of parental controls? NOT AT ALL, but I'm against of this system that will treat you like a child unless you provide an id, and that can be, and will be, abused in the future to create profiles. I don't believe this was made to protect the children, my country is still protecting child rapists on churches and USA will, supposedly, collapse if they prosecute the Epstein clients. WTF!?
