>framework shills will tell you it's the future of laptops because "muh repairability" and "muh upgrade path">meanwhile you still have to buy literally everything except ram and ssd straight from their overpriced store like it's 2012>even though macbooks and thinkpads are still cheaper upfront and have actually good hardware>want to "upgrade" a framework to next gen? replace chassis, motherboard, cpu, ram, ssd... congrats you just bought a whole new laptop>modern thinkpads exist now with 10/10 repairability, tank build quality, cheaper used parts flooding ebay>macbook repairability is also improving with the neo>"expansion cards" are literally just branded single-port dongles (pic related)lmao at anyone still falling for this shit in 2026. framework had a cute gimmick for like two years and now it's just e-waste with extra steps. thinkpad chads and macbook enjoyers have been laughing at you the whole time while getting shit done.
yikes they couldnt fit it flush with the chassis? so you will need to carry around a purse of all your little modules
seen so many Framework shills on youtube, they really oughta disclose paid advertisements up front
>>108631153But they do? Or is it just an Sponsorblock thing?
your font rendering is terribleplease stop using chromeshit on windowsthank you
I like mine. In fact, I've had two of them over the years. Bought the original when it came out, sold it, bought another when they announced the high refresh rate screen. Cope and seethe. I know /g/ hates it simply because they are bitter about enshittification of the Thinkpad, which is fair, and because they despise the nation of the Indian subcontinent (which is fair) and apply that scorn to the CEO and his products (which is not fair). Is it perfect? No, I still want a keyboard like the old Thinkpads had with dedicated media controls etc. Still, no other laptop manufacturer is worth giving your money to from a consumers' rights standpoint.
>>108631286>buys overpriced bulshit
>>108631309>I'm brokeIt's okay anon. Just a few weeks of flipping burgers at McDonalds and you too can one day afford to buy something nice for yourself. Best of luck!
>>108631286>Bought the original when it came out, sold itwhy didn't you upgrade parts of it? isn't that the point of this memetop?
ive said this about absolutely any "repairable" piece of technology, it very much always is a ship of theseusthere is no point in "upgrading" a desktop computer eitherany real performance is only seen in a new generationa new generation requires a new motherboard, new ram, and new whatever gubbins you needat that point youve recycled your case, congratulations!
>>108631446I wasn't happy with the 60hz display at that time, and they hadn't released the 120hz yet.
>>108631072>even though macbooks and thinkpads are still cheaper upfrontwhy are you just lying?
>>108631497The hell you talking about?Up until recently my CPU/RAM/Mobo would have been maybe 1/3 of the total cost of the PC
>>108631580idiotpower supplies, cases and storage are all cheap
do they have thunderbolt5 yet? better cooling and battery life? I've been waiting for tb5 at the very least
>>108631497>any "repairable" piece of technology, it very much always is a ship of theseushows that corpo cock taste nigger faggot???i hope you are tearing down your entire house whenever a light bulb burns out, or you want a door to stop being squeaky or heaven forbid changing the paint color in a room and building a whole brand-new house with none of these issues the "obsolete" one had!
>>108631072>>"expansion cards" are literally just branded single-port dongles (pic related)What else would they be? TB/USB4 supports USB, PCIe and DP. Literally can convert PCIe cards into that form factor if they fit.
>>108631771I have at least $800 in storage (10TB of NVMe)My GPU was $1000 (4080 Super)Case was $1001200w PSU was $250 (slightly overkill)i9 14900k+Mobo+96GB of DDR5 was about $1000 all together The "platform" is a relatively small part of everything else. The equation doesn't change much with lower end components unless you just forgo a GPU or buy bottom barrel everything else.
>>108631127Linus Sebastian is an investor in Framework and he conveniently also sells backpacks. Coincidence? I don't think so.
>>108631072My 2015 MBP still works alright in 2026. Will the framework laptop last 11 years?
>>108631072I don't know man. I don't feel like dying for the muh free foss ideal when you're on a CPU with a literal spyware os built in to control what you're doing. I can have that while having True Tone and a tuned vertically integrated software stackMBPs simply win in the laptop space and no amount of repairability expansion modules or published schematics will change the reality on operating on a 150w guzzling piece of shit cpu with tons of legacy shit hogging the die on a million year old architecture with even moar quirksThe only factor that makes it worth switching is Linux but MacOS gives me enough posix and ecosystem compatibility to run muh free software so that I'm not locked outI don't care about repairability man. If it breaks then I'll buy a new one. I don't have time or patience to fiddle with a proprietary piece of shit and browse some fucking stupid pdf from 5 years ago to uncover where the butt fucking capacitor #3 of fucking your mother in the ass is on the schematic to fix a dead component. I have a real job and real money out of it. My time is actually worth something in dollars instead of transsexual space fediverse post shat out per hourIt's absolutely viable to have and repair your desktop freestanding computer. But you never owned your laptop. You will never own a modern car too. You can either stop torturing yourself for a dead ideal or spend your lifetime fixing something that'll never work properly anyway. If that brings joy to you then you might be the target of Framework™
>>108631072I don't really get the hype, I think the people falling for it are people who have never actually tried to fix a laptop before, most of the time parts are very easy to source and replace.I can still easily find parts for my 10yr old thinkpad, and since lenovo has an actual supply chain I don't have to pay to have it shipped from the other side of the world either.
>>108631072JEET CEO/OWNER = SCAM.
>>108631072>Frameworks are a dead memeonly good dillinger album
>>108631072>>meanwhile you still have to buy literally everything except ram and ssd straight from their overpriced store like it's 2012I can confirm this is true, I bought RAM and storage separately to save money, and the CEO personally came to my house and beat me up>>even though macbooks and thinkpads are still cheaper upfront and have actually good hardware>macbooksJust a few months ago I have set up a monitor/keyboard/mouse set for GF's Macbook Pro from 2018 because its monitor shat itself out of the blue: Apple decided to solder a flex cable that would otherwise have taken a couple of hours and a handful of Euros for replacing, making the repair cost more than a new laptop. >ThinkpadIf you want something comparable to the Framework 14 in terms of portability it will cost you just as much while having a worse screen (though /g/ seems quite happy with 60% sRGB coverage when making such comparisons).I am going by the assumption that somebody who posts in a tech board is smart enough to buy the DIY Frameworks and not buy the Windows license, but feel free to prove me wrong.
There is legitimate criticism of framework laptops, so I'm wondering why you felt the need to lie... Mine is from 2021 and I'm looking forward to upgrading the main board soon and turning the leftovers into a home server.
>>108631072Wait wait, what can you replace in a macbook? What the fuck are you even complaining about, you rat turd?
>>108631228That's literally how fonts look by default on Linux
>>108635404NTA, the macbook neo has a replaceable battery, keyboard (40 screws), touchpad, speakers, and USB-C daughterboard. The screen is also possible to replace, but is a complete upper half. About the only thing you can't replace is memory and storage. It is unusually repairable for an Apple product. I actually intend to move our staff off their T480's as we burn through what's left in my inventory.
>>108631072The problem with the framework is that 'hot swapping' is largely a meme. What people typically want is to be able to upgrade while also having a well designed computer. I'd much rather the framework have been designed in a less modular way, but still have the ability to change everything. It does have it's usecases, and I'm still tempted to get one to play around with RISC-V.
>>108635501>About the only thing you can't replace is memory and storage.Oh, the things you'd actually want to replace or upgrade. What are you complaining about?
>>108635560>Oh, the things you'd actually want to replace or upgrade.Repairing isn't upgrading. As far as repair goes, memory and storage are maybe the two things I don't see fail in laptops. Broken scissor switches on keyboards, mangled USB ports, gouged or cracked displays - these are the typical things I see. Even then, Windows 11 deprecated more hardware in the business than an inability to add more RAM ever did. I'm chucking out perfectly good P50's because PCI DSS mandates vendor support.>What are you complaining about?Again, NTA. I was responding to 'what can you replace in a macbook'. I personally use a framework 13, but think the macbook neo is a good product.
>>108635501>About the only thing you can't replace is memory and storageStorage is literally the most important to be able to replace.When you're shitbook suddenly dies, all your data on it becomes completely inaccessible and you have to pay a repair shop to get your data back.
>>108635646>When you're shitbook suddenly diesI'm saying that I'm not seeing that happen. Neither anecdotally, nor in consumer reports. The M1's we bought in 2021 are rated for something like 1600TBW - and even the one gimped unit we bought with 8GB of memory that's been running gitlab pipelines and swapping continuously for nearly five years is only sitting around 400TBW.Apple's decisions around EFI are bad, sure. A cheap winbond chip would be an easy win for hardware longevity. But the lifespan of the NAND they're shipping isn't even a factor in our capital depreciation. Which is why I think it's a good product.
>>108635704Macbooks have a long history of faults and bad engineering.Ask anyone repairing them for a living.And they also have a continued refusal to add any liquid resistance.All the kids getting them now are going to break them immediately.
>ethernet expansion cardthis was the standard when i was a teenager
a common usb-c ethernet dongle would be less obtrusive
>>108631072I'd have appreciated the gimmick if jeet CEO puts more than 4 ports on the laptop.Even Framework 16 laptop effectively only has 5 ports because the headphone jack is gone and need to be bought.
>>108635812*3 portsone is gone just to power it
>>108633504kill yourself shill
>>108635842sir please I must tim apple for the rupees my wife bhagrulu has the consumption
>>108631228how do u make it not look like shit?
>>108631559It doesn't actually care about discussion, it's all about posturing here. /g/ is a bunch of woman brained nerds who will never actually be female.
>>108635646>you're shitbookgood morning saar
>>108635747SOVL
>>108631072>framework shills will tell you it's the future of laptops because "muh repairability" and "muh upgrade path"I still don't get how it is more repairable than business machines. Thinkpads and HP Probooks/Elitebooks have a great market for official parts, from whole mobos all the way down to single hinges.If you're too retarded to figure it out without some printed numbers on your components telling you what screws you need (spoiler, its the same ones you removed to replace the part in the first place) you're beyond saving. Actual cattle brain. And as for the upgrade path, I don't really know why you would even want to keep the same chassis you used for a 2+ year deployment cycle anyway. Its much easier for IT departments to just use fresh machines. Swapping out mobos in machines owned by people who treat the machines with varying levels of care is frankly quite gross. Non business users probably would be grossed out by how shit their laptops internals are as well, especially if they are a cat owner whose creature sits on the device over the span of a few minutes a week over multiple years..
>>108636819>I still don't get how it is more repairable than business machines.It's not. Thing is, laptops targeted at consumers are insanely unrepairable, so Framework has an easy time convincing normies into buying their overpriced crap, because normies are just that retarded.Normies are deathly afraid of buying anything used, so if you tell them that they should buy a second hand business laptop, they'll have a panic attack. They need their things to be brand new, or else they'll believe that they'll randomly fall apart, or even worse, they'll dislike the fact that they'll have visible sings of wear, despite them being complete troglodytes when it comes to handling their brand new toys where they'll end up breaking them in ways the manufacturer never predicted.So what that second hand ThinkPads, Elitebooks and Latitudes are infinitely better than Framework? They're second hand so they're icky. And even if something like the L series ThinkPads is priced the same as Framework, so what if it's better value? It looks ugly, and Framework looks like a Macbook, so obviously they'll prefer the Framework.That's the caliber of retarded you're dealing with. The only good thing about Framework is that their USB-C dongles are actually decent and will work with anything.
>>108631072> doesn't already come with a fucking ethernet port. one of the most basic and essential ports on any computer. > whats next? no usb ports? paying extra for blinking lights?trash fucking bullshit ass company.
>>108631072>>modern thinkpads exist now with 10/10 repairability, tank build quality, cheaper used parts flooding ebayCan you give me some specific ones? Actually interested.
>>108631072>>want to "upgrade" a framework to next gen? replace chassis, motherboard, cpu, ram, ssd... congrats you just bought a whole new laptopbut that's wrong. you just replace the motherboard.>>"expansion cards" are literally just branded single-port dongles (pic related)that's a good thing. it means you can make your own. all the dimensions are available. you don't "have to buy literally everything straight from their store".
>>108637405No one will because they're not. Framework laptops are by far the easiest to repair laptop on the market
I own a framework, a Latitude, an Elitebook, a Thinkpad and a MacbookFramework mogs the shit out of all of them, anyone who says otherwise is a salty little bitch with sunk cost fallasy
>>108637572Can you elaborate, anon? I'm looking for a new laptop.
>>108637584get a mobile workstation, you will thank me later
>>108631497You are 20 years old or so. You grew up with dogshit Intel motherboards tied to just one or at best two CPU lines and you never lived in the 80s or 90s. Congratulations on your retardation. A Super Socket 7 Motherboard carried you from 266 Mhz all the way to 550 Mhz from some S3 Virge all the way to a Geforce 2MX 400. After my Pentium 233 MMX I bought a Socket A with a Duron 700 Mhz with a TNT2, on that same exact mainboard Years later I got a Athlon XP (Thoroughbred) 2200+ with a Radeon 9000 PRO. For reference thats going from 16 MB of Vram to 128 MB and the GPU, from a DirtectX 6 to Direct X 8.1 and the CPU you can tell yourself.
>>108637572but sir, you own things, but issued devices are backed
>>108637572I actually believe you because I'm a tech autist. I wanna know how? What does it mog. Is it the build quality? The touchpad? The Design? I hate apple, I have never own a single one of their devices, I always thought I never would but now that I'm 35 years old and actually don't play video games on my laptops a macbook for work seem to be increasingly more attractive. They keyboard and touchpad are better then anything else I have used when I used them at my friend place and macOS isn't too different from Linux when it comes to code work.
>>108637584Nta but how many laptops **support** full socket upgrades?
Frameworks are really expensive for what they are. Mid-tier hardware with a middling design philosophy.When I was in the market for a ‘Linux laptop’, I went System76. No regrets (except for that the trackpad is dogshit, Apple will always be kings there).
>>108637750How much does this socket upgrade cost?
>>108631072>Frameworks are a dead memeAnd yet you made a whole thread and a wall of text about it, obsessed much?
>>108637750You don’t need this. By the time you need a socket upgrade, much of the other parts of the laptop will also need replacing. Just get a new laptop at that point.
>>108637764>System76They don't make sub-14in ones.
>>108637779>I need small!My mistake, I assumed people would be using their laptops to do actual stuff outside YouTube and shitposting.
>>108637785I have desktop for actual work. I just want something small for traveling with as little planned obsolescence cancer as possible.
>>10863781814” is perfectly fine, unless you’re lugging in a purse. Plus you can get a lighter 14” than the 13” framework.
>>108637860>let me tell you what are your needsExcellent redditor faggotry, don't forget to downvote.
>>108637878You clearly want a fashion accessory, so by all means get a framework and mix and match your dongles to be tranny coded.
>>108631553People like you represent the vast majority of consumers. Don't like something? Won't bother for an upgrade path. Just sell it and get something else. This is exactly why modularity and upgradability in laptops died. Very few were bothering to stick it out and just getting shiny new gadget with what they want.
>>108637888>fashion accessoryI'm sure you know a lot about these, you glitter-covered homo.
>>108637971See you lose this argument because you’re advocating for the framework, the epitome of homosexual faggotry.
>>108637999>ask for smaller alternatives>NO U NEED BIGGER LIKE ME, WHO ALWAYS SUCKS ONLY THE BIGGEST OF COCKS>STOP SHILLING FRAMEWORK, GLUG GLUG GLUG HMM COCKSGo back to r/glitterhomos
>>108638017Why do you need smaller>it cannot answer
>>108638040It fits into my backpack, it's better for flying, I don't need that much screen estate for travel device, better handling when traveling, and more. Why are people getting smaller laptops? A true mystery of ages.
>>10863806114” does all those things. And is thinner. And is lighter. Btfo’d you are so dumb.
>>108638093Are you even sentient at this point?
broad standardization across manufacturers of display assemblies/connectors/hinges would solve tons of repair headaches and could be made pretty painless for a layperson to replace, but that'll absolutely never happen
>>108633207he also shits on system76 and popOS coincidence
>>108638133>just make all laptops the same laptopno
>>108631127>>108631072holy shit no thanks I'm sticking with my macbook, this jeet made laptop is not for me lmao
>>108638377>the display is the entire laptopeven you know how retarded you're being
>>108631127>can't you make a port that's thicker than the thickness of the laptop>and then 2 other butthurt applefags just echo chambers
>>108638444>this applefag didn't know that ALL apple shit is made in pooland these days
>>108638642yeah it's retarded. just use a dongle at this point
>>108637770The screen and chassis are fine. Ssd can be reused. The screen is fairly unique with a 3:2 aspect ratio. Old mobo and ram can be utilized as a server ( they even sell enclosures for this purpose). There is no other ecosystem like this for laptops. Nothing even comes close.
>>108631072Why do you need a new chassis and SSD to upgrade? You can just buy a new mainboard and RAM.
>>108631072At the very least I appreciate the clear and obvious engineering challenges that go into making a truly modular laptop after watching this failure.Surely it just makes more sense to add like 5 usbc ports and sell converters to other ports instead of this? It would look and feel better if it was an ethernet dongle instead.
>>108638852>failurelolno
>>108631497I always upgrade my PC in parts depending on what makes sense for me to upgrade at any given moment.I don't need CPU, RAM, storage, GPU upgrades all at the same time. That is only normal amongst the normies and the gaming crowd that can't into computer and know jack shit about what actual specs they need.I did the same as >>108637679 all my life.In 35 years of owning computers, I only fully replaced my desktop in one go a single time.It's also a much more financially advantageous upgrade strategy.
>>108637770>Just get a new laptopThat's retarded when the chassis, screen, speakers, webcam, battery, storage, IO, etc, are all still perfectly fine and you just need the faster CPU.
>>108631072>>"expansion cards" are literally just branded single-port dongles (pic related)this is extremely embarrassing.i thought it was shitty of manufacturers to get rid of ports on laptops but i got over it as soon as getting a dock so i can use it as a desktop while charging off one fucking plug. yes i carry a dongle around with me like a cuck in case i need anything other than usb c or a. but moving between workstations just having one plug is great.
>>108631072>Ganoo/Car>Ganoo/LaptopYeah no thanks, if it were much cheaper than a Thinkpad or Macbook maybe, but they're not, they're more expensive, and what do you get for it? A timesink to tinker with? A fucking ethernet port that doesn't sit flush with the body (lmao)?
>>108635501dosdude stuck a terabyte chip on a neo, but he's also done a million bga reballs and the average retard on /g/ has done zero. The max you could get is 1TB anyway because that's the max that generation of iPhone supported, and you can only swap out the storage chip for a that kind of storage chip.
>>108631497>there is no point in "upgrading" a desktop computer eitherDude cases have been finished for 18 years. Why would you buy a new one?
>>108634784so Taxation = theft
>>108633504>MBPs simply win in the laptop spaceLMAO no the fuck they don't. I admit the hardware is nice but that's a moot point when the software is the genuine unfiltered dogshit that it is. At the end of the day, the software is what you're primarily interacting with. The hardware is just the medium. It's secondary and as such, any problems worse hardware might give you are secondary problems. As long as the keyboard inputs text and the screen displays your shit, it's good enough. Meanwhile, an OS that's designed by homosexual cock-sucking californians is completely unusable for anyone who isn't at least 2 of those 3. Any problems it gives you will be ones you either spend 24/7 wrestling with while trying to work or conform like cattle and become a homosexual cock-sucker and move to california.
>>108631072>not so veiled macshit advertisement thread #9000yawn
