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►Recent Highlights from the Previous Thread: >>108630552

--Paper: Using Graphiti temporal knowledge graphs for efficient local agent memory:
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--Papers:
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--Optimizing RTX 5090 performance and flags for Gemma 4 31B:
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--Using specific CPU offloading flags to increase Gemma 4 performance:
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--Critiquing SillyTavern while discussing feature development for Orb UI:
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--Running agentic frameworks with local models:
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--Gemma 4 tool calling issues across various front-ends:
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--Prompting strategies to eliminate purple prose and linguistic clichés in Gemma:
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--Using an autistic noir persona to fix Gemma 4's verbosity:
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--Praising Gemma 31B for long-context performance and translation capabilities:
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--Comparing Gemma 4 and Qwen 3.6 via automated pizza ordering:
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--Miku (free space):
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►Recent Highlight Posts from the Previous Thread: >>108630560

Why?: >>102478518
Enable Links: https://rentry.org/lmg-recap-script

Have RTX 5070, 12GB VRAM. Is gemma3:12b truly the best I have?

Remember to rotate your Mikus biweekly

>>108633879
Gemma4 26B Q6

>>108633879
either gemma4 26b or qwen3.6 35b
both are better and faster than gemma3 12b

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>apartment complex changes ISP
>I'm getting 1/10 my old speeds

I can't casually shop around for models anymore, a 200GB quant is now an all-day affair, I am fucking undone.

>>108633930
did you power cycle your modem?

>>108633930
They are probably throttling your connection because you downloaded child porn.

>>108633930
go to the library, starbucks or do the old crack the neighborhood wifi

>>108633949
Speaking from experience?

>>108633961
>old crack the neighborhood wifi
No one uses WEP anymore.

>>108633862
Can someone please make sense of this for me
>run llmfit a few weeks back and install a few models near the top of the score column
>get curious and run it again to see if any new ones dropped
>the ones i had installed are now marked "too tight" of a fit
>run llmfit again today
>all but one are a good fit, one still says "too tight"
My hardware didn't change. I had nothing running in the background. Why the inconsistency?

>finally get around to setting up basic MCP
>pretty much everything I try to make it crawl is 403: Forbidden
It's only going to get worse from here, isn't it? By the time local got agentic shit most of the internet is already blocking it.

>>108633930
>can run 200gb quants
>cucked by isp
feelsbadman

>>108634013
I don't have that issue I just direct my llm to a searxng instance on a raspberry pi and it works well. Before I used jina-reader, but since I've switched it all to SearXNG I get what I want.

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>>108633940
No access to any of the routing equipment, just ethernet ports in the walls and the local per-building wifi network. Still chugging at retard speeds even with a direct cat 8 connection wall to workstation.
>>108634019
Right? At least I still have all my usual daily drivers on hand, but I really wanted to experiment with the new shit that came out lately and this was the weekend I was gonna do it.

>>108634013
You can get around that, it's the same as scraping

>>108634057
Someone with the relevant expertise might, all I can do is wait until better tools fall in my lap. I already tried telling it to figure out a way past it and that didn't work out.

anyone here ever done TTS training?

ATTENTION
DRUMMER HAS UPSCALED NEMO AGAIN
GEMMA 4 HAS BEEN DETHRONED

What if Kimi but made by Goog?

https://huggingface.co/google/gemma-4-124B-A12B-it
https://huggingface.co/google/gemma-4-124B-A12B-it

108634170
Didn't click. Sell it better next time.

it's real though

qwen3.6-35b-a3b is pretty damn good

As real as ranjeet's comp-sci degree.

I don't care if it's real I'm still not clicking.

>>108634019
takes me less time to download 200GB than to copy it to an hdd lmao.

>>108634184
I didn't click.

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Gemma 4 big moe has been CANCELLED

>>108634178
Testing it right now to see if it leads me to another shoggoth situation. I lack the mountains of knowledge necessary to understand what is happening.

Gemma 4 big MoE was delayed to upgrade it to 240B

Gernma 4 124B moe when?

https://huggingface.cο/goοgle/gemma-4-31b-it
Anon will give /lmg/'s favorite mesugaki a pity click, right?

>>108634191
RIP to Gemma's lead ml researcher
This why India worship cow not elefat

>>108634225
damn, I got hacked

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Only like 3 people here have machines powerful enough to run 100B dense.

>>108634252
Post his funny one.

>>108634266
this is a blue board

>>108634252
I will run it on RAM at 2 t/s out of spite.

>>108634271
Meanwhile you're giving the migger a free pass.. hmm really makes you think.

ways to improve performance on gemma4 31b?
using Q6 and 5tok/s is rather unbearable, and no i will not switch to a worse quant

>>108634304
>no i will not switch to a worse quant
Acquire more money and buy better hardware

>>108634304
Lower context and/or batch size to put more layers in VRAM.

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>>108634304
Hey fuck you buddy, q5 is great!

>>108634316
Do people really get off to this slop

Did a benchmark of question answering based on a large config file.
gemma4 31B solves in ~3500 thinking tokens
gemma4 26BA4B solves in ~7000 thinking tokens
qwen3.6 35BA3B solves in ~7000 thinking tokens
qwen3.5 35BA3B solves in ~14000 thinking tokens
qwen3.5 27B failed, stuck in thinking loop for all 3 rerolls I tried

qwen3.6 35BA3B arrives conclusion in ~40s while other working models take ~60s.

>>108634320
I get off inside your mom in the pig pen

>>108634252
I used to but I gave away 2 of my 3090s. Gemma-4 is more or less my "good enough" model for a while, though. and 2 3090s gives me q8 64K context with vision (100K without) and 20 tokens per second on the 31B model. And it's probably going to spark an arms race in small dense models again so 48 GB Vramlets are eating good. Even 24GB gets you 4bit with eh context. And so people can even run it on dual 3060 rigs.
Trust me bros. This isn't just going to be another Nemo. This time great things actually are on the horizon and we're not going to see another 2 year winter in the small dense model category.

>>108634252
>dude israel is a great ally in wars we'd not have if it wasn't for israel
fucking retarded

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>>108634338

>>108634252
No way, there are at least 5 of us who own at least one Pro 6000 and that's not counting the anons who own several 3090s and other setups with ~96GB VRAM or more.

>>108634338
>slopconsoomer big mad when called out
lol

>>108634365
>Pro 6000
>100B dense
It's a faggot that runs quantized models LMAO

>>108634365
That's one guy with schizophrenia and many hours in GIMP

>>108634252
name a single 100B dense model that's not actual shit.

>>108634396
redman doesn't go here

>>108634399
>>108634170

>>108634396
If believing that makes you feel better

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What happens... Better Systems? (without atrocity)

90% of people who use Gemma 4 for pedo RP are browns in Indonesia or Brazil.

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>>108634427
Wondering what a Topic Focus AGI+ andor ASI Will Find With Picrel, in Actuality, and In Planning andor Construction andor Practice... For Better Systems Sake...

>>108634433
>browns in Indonesia or Brazil
hey buddy I think you got the wrong door, /aicg/'s two blocks down

>>108634433
>pedo rp
NOOOOO

>>108634252
Only because there are no models that are worth it. If there were a 100B dense Gemma4, getting 4x3090s for it would be a no-brainer, but right now it's either 512+ for sota or 24-48 GB for good enough models. Some people use 256GB builds to pretend q2 of sota isn't that retarded, but nobody takes them seriously
>>108634342
I also have two extra 3090s collecting dust on the shelf since Mistral Large went out of meta

>>108634433
What's wrong with being part of the 10%?

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>>108634342
>This isn't just going to be another Nemo. This time great things actually are on the horizon
You were going to write that as
>not x, but y
But you caught it and quickly edited your reply before posting so people wouldn't call you out.

>>108634456
If you hang out with the undesirables long enough, you become them.

>>108634323
so gemma wons again

>>108634497
3.6 wonned that one though, it solved it 50% faster

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>>108632645
The difference is very impressive. It practically feels like different models.

>>108634342
You're right, but it's not gonna be Qwen.
I'm betting on Gemmistral.

>>108634519
What'd be the time differrence with thinking on?

>>108634525
Now that Gemma 4 is out, does Mistral actually have anything going for them anymore, besides occasionally releasing big models? What would they even have to contribute?

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>>108634528
I'll go find out.

>>108634533
Nothing. They are done. The latest model by mistral even had the vibecoded bench pictures wrong.

When are we going to replace the linux kernel with a small LLM embedded in the system? It's time we have an AI first operating system, GNU/AI or rather GNU+AI.

>>108634467
The "this time" won't flow well with "but", and a lot of phrases using the not x but y structure don't actually use the word "but".
>This isn't just going to be another Nemo. It's going to be great, actually.
>This isn't just going to be another Nemo. This is going to be a revolution for real this time.

Gemma E2B might be able to run the os now that I think about it.

>>108634533
Le Cunny would see his calling with the mesugaki. That's it. That's the joke. Laugh please.

>>108634556
GNU=MC^2+AI

>>108634581
Just add gain of function and it's better than AGI

>>108634513
despite 50% faster it's white model = better
only that one
in general gemma is smarter and faster

Aren't we all doing a slightly more complex version of King Terry's RNG/processor clock counter talk to God program?

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>>108633996
>he doesn't know how to crack WPA2
ngmi

>>108634623
Laziness is the driver of innovation

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damn i didn't pay for npu for nothing

>>108634407
>name a dense model
>anon points to a moe model
>it's not even fucking real
learn2read

>>108634191
You can see how his KV cache was compressed. That inspired colleagues at google research to create turboquant.

>sun-kissed skin

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>>108634519
>>108634528
For the sake of parity, I used the same high context, even though it makes thinking a slog. On the instruction differences, I'd like something that better blends both results. The noir results can be too curt, in some cases to a logical detriment without context that the miles of purple prose gives without it. And while it's nicely compact without bouncing around 10 different superfluous topics per reply, the noir thinking attempt still had it throw the "No X. No Y. Just Z." tick twice.

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>>108634630
wasn't it necessity?

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Is there a way to make Gemma think only when it needs to? I don't need reasoning slop for me telling her thanks.

is anybody using tensor parallelism (-sm tensor)? i've got it working for gemma 31b on a 3090+3060 setup, went from 18 t/s with draft (and without vision) to 24 t/s without draft (and with vision) at 80k context for q4kxl on a shit ass x4 pcie bus. latest commit fucks up vision, ff5ef8278 is the latest one i tried that works.
apparently it also doesn't work with cuda 13 and there's some kind of memory leak, but with two cherry-picked commits it works very well.

$ git log -4 --oneline
228d96bb7 (HEAD -> gemma-stable) CUDA: use LRU based eviction for cuda graphs (#21611)
ad3a9a96d CUDA: manage NCCL communicators in context (#21891)
ff5ef8278 (tag: b8763) CUDA: skip compilation of superfluous FA kernels (#21768)
073bb2c20 (tag: b8762) mtmd : add MERaLiON-2 multimodal audio support (#21756)

>>108634705
to be fair being poor will make you more likely to be fat, because cheap / shit food will make you hormonaly imbalanced and hungrier.
and eating a whole kg of pasta is still much cheaper than eating a proper meal that's just what your body needs.

>>108634727
Let me think about it

>>108634727
Tell it to think only now and then.

>>108634677
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F57P9C4SAW4

>>108634727
Yes.

>>108634781
*bites your popsicle*

>>108634781
whoa-oh-ohoho whoa whoa-oh-ohoho

>>108634739
This is, of course, absurd nonsense that's refuted by walking through any grocery store and comparing the produce section to the pre-made snackslop aisle(s) that makes up the average poorfag's diet.

>>108633930
which shithole is this from?
my condolences

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>"[Word]?" *She repeats the word, tasting it like a vintage wine.*

>>108634812
prompt issue

>>108634822
Prompt issue?

>>108634727
why do you need to tell your computer thanks?

>>108634829
Yes—now you've got it!

>>108634822
I literally tell it not to parrot the user in the system prompt.

>>108634837
Sounds like a GLM issue, Gemma 4 does not have this problem.

>>108634801
i was not talking about snackslop.
i was talking about the fact that pasta is indeed much cheaper than meat.

the cheapeast food per kcal will make you want to eat more, fuck with your hormones and in fact be cheap enough that you can eat a LOT more than you need for still cheaper than proper food in normal quantities.

>>108634842
I'm using Gemma 4. The MoE. Maybe the 31b doesn't have that problem.

>>108634848
They have a pretty identical writing style, 31b is just less prone to certain mistakes.

>>108634812
I put "Do not repeat what {{user}} says" into my prompt twice
I think it actually helped a little

>>108634862
>make gemma stop repeating what you say by... repeating what you said
if it works it works I guess

>>108634872
I read somewhere that repeating parts of your prompts when you do image gen gives more weight to those parts so I figured I'd try it here
It's probably all bullshit but there has been noticeably less repetition, though not eliminated completely

>>108634884
>It's probably all bullshit
No, that's actually right. Just like image models, you can repeat things to text models reinforce them. Won't always work of course, but it will skew outputs most of the time.

>>108634252
sometimes I wonder if a llm is pumping out these tweets

>>108634848
>>108634855
The 31B parrots about as much as GLM. Many anons ITT mained GLM, so the only reason I can think this hasn't been discussed much is the honeymoon period.

>>108634252
my boss said i could get any machine i wanted when i started. i asked what he has, he said he has a ryzen9 9950x3d with 128 gb of ram and an rtx pro 6000.

i said i want that!

he sent me a ryzen 7 7800x3d with 32gb ram and a 5070ti.

fucker.

>>108634916
I've been one of the most vocal in past threads about GLM parrotting when GLM AIr first came out
I really don't have it with Gemma 4 at all, I go back and forth between the 26b and 31b regularly. Post your log if you actually want advice.

>>108634467
>But you caught it and quickly edited your reply before posting so people wouldn't call you out.
You're absolutely right to call me out!

>>108634916
>The 31B parrots about as much as GLM. Many anons ITT mained GLM, so the only reason I can think this hasn't been discussed much is the honeymoon period.
Yeah I noticed this as well, and I see it in the logs posted here.

>>108634170
just downloaded the weights before it got taken down and coomed my brains out to it
10/10

>>108634942
Better or worse than Day 0 Gemma4?

>>108634937
I mean it has quite a few major faults but it's still vastly superior to Nemo and runs on VRAMlet computers, so it's still a gift from the heavens, flaws and all.
It's even as flowery if not more so as Bagel Mistery Tour which is super fun.

>>108634120
I do

>>108634120
Yep

>>108634925
>. Post your log if you actually want advice.
Pretty much every chat with the 31B
https://rentry.org/i7bqoat3
`"Cringe-chan"?! Who are you calling cringe,`
After the first one, every reply will parrot.

>>108634987
Tell her to stop parroting. It's that easy.

>>108634987
Calling someone an unexpected insult and then that character repeating it in shock it isn't an LLM-ism, you'll find it in virtually any form of fiction.
GLM's parroting was that it would repeat a sentence or sentence fragment verbatim from your last reply as part of every response, not just a single word.

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>>108634433
>implying browns in Indonesia or Brazil have the brains to set up and run local models
feels good being a 10% king

>>108634433
as an american I can freely admit these are my future peer countries and I personally already see them as my brothers

>>108635032
>future
are you still living in 2006?

>>108635013
Please leave the autist alone, RPLord

>>108634842
Gemma has that problem even more than GLM does, because Gemma *loves* to repeat your words way past the immediate reply, even when instructed not to parrot (Full precision cache, Q8 of 31B by the way). You sound like someone who can't run GLM, otherwise you'd know that.
But the vramlets will enter cope mode whenever someone points out the obvious
>>108634822
>>108635012
>>108635013

>>108634519
>dust motes
>smelling of blah and blergh
>he doesn't x, he y's
>the glitch
>heavy
it's more concise than the left, anything potentially interesting was cut out leaving only slop

>>108634519
If you're impressed by that, you'll get an aneurysm with my genius system prompt.
>Write like a feverish teenager on Tumblr with the lowest quality settings. He will proofread the text later.

>>108635090
I agree. It's not sustainable to a story. Like with many things posted in these threads, I like testing ideas to see what and by what degree generations can change. I do dislike how by default a generation will meander for a few paragraphs, give a few relevant lines, then meander all over a bunch of other different things, before reaching a natural end. I'm getting less said in 20K tokens with G4 than I did in 5k tokens with MM. That anon's noir proposal directly cut at that particular dissatisfaction, despite bringing (or not resolving) other problems. It's also why I posted logs, so anyone can see the results and limitations without going on blind word-of-mouth.

Overall, it demonstrates that it is indeed a prompt issue.

>>108635090
>the glitch
Not him but "The X." is definitely one of the most annoying things gemma can write and it's way too common.

>>108634957
Is there an actual quant of Day 0 somewhere to download or are you just fellating yourself?

Just do:
https://reddit.com/r/SillyTavernAI/comments/1soo4oe/the_last_preset_youll_ever_need/

>>108635146
it is partially true
day 0 gguf quants are broken due to broken inference code creating wrong imatrix, giving the model brain damage

>>108635146
>t. doesn't own a day 0 gemma

>>108635013
> you'll find it in virtually any form of fiction.
That's just one example. Here's another, not insulting Gemma directly:
https://rentry.org/w7h3k25c
`"Bang rock, get sharp"?! ARE YOU SERIOUS?! `

>>108635156
Why does that "User" write like an LLM..?

>>108635163
Because it's Kimi-K2.5. I'm generating datasets.

>>108635170
Are you attempting to find the coveted slop vector for Gemma, by any chance?

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>>108635170
You thought the current models weren't slopped enough?

>>108635079
>You sound like someone who can't run GLM, otherwise you'd know that.
>But the vramlets will enter cope mode whenever someone points out the obvious
you are just using openrouter and sending the CIA all your jailbait fantasies, quit larping that you run that shit local

>>108635155
>t. also doesn't own a day 0 gemma but will pretend to

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>>108635156
A little more egregious if it's actually happening in every reply, but it's still following the pattern of
>user says silly, unexpected thing
>repeat with shock/confusion
If you really have a problem with that behavior you could probably prompt that away with post-history instructions, like

do not quote any part of {user}}'s reply. You may react to what they say, but do not repeat their words.

Of course, you would need to start a new chat to confirm it's working. If you have a long chat filled with this behavior already then it will likely stick to established patterns.

>>108635186
If you aren't baiting, myself and my 128GB of RAM + multiple 3090s laugh at you and your lowercase inferiority. And my setup is considered entry-level poorfag stuff.
I have not used a cloud model in my life other than free ChatGPT when I was starting with this "hobby".

Oh stop it with the "day 0 Gemma" troll. The only thing they changed was the Jinja template, which was a fix an improvement.

>>108635207
you missed the boat
it's unfortunate, but it's time to accept it

i reported that saar model and those fucking retards are reactively shitting on a quant i uploaded because they are butthurt
now i understand why people hate those fuckers so much

Keep doing the day 0 Gemma troll to keep the tourists out.

>>108634844
You weren't talking about it because you don't know what poors in los angeles eat. And seem to be confused overall. Those effects you're describing are from snackslop, it's not a description of basic staples that are dirt cheap and leave people fully satiated and are perfectly fine.
Like they're not getting 5kcal/dollar sacks of flour to make fresh pasta and bread and that's all the calories they'll be eating this month after careful deliberations about maximizing their food budget. Their carts are full of trash, their diet is full of daily impulse bought junk, and if they're having pasta, it's premade at 5x+ markup with jar-o-slop at a 20x markup.

>>108635245
>i reported that saar model and those fucking retards are reactively shitting on a quant
reporting a model requires you to make a public post with your account name attached to it?

>>108635251
pretty much, huggingface is retarded

>>108635225
so what if I put my day 0 Gemma gguf on the internet and charge people for it? why hasn't anyone done this?
or even free. why isn't this a thing?

>>108635309
>so what if I put my day 0 Gemma gguf on the internet
You could try, but you won't live enough to profit from it

>>108635310
ok, just a moron making retarded posts. makes more sense now

>>108635316
Anon, look through the archives. Other anons literally died because they posted about how to obtain it. Sometimes even mid-post. Do you seriousl

>>108635316
meant for >>108635309

>>108635320
They don't understand. I tried uploading my day 0 gemma and got shot in the head within minutes. It's no joke.

>>108635207
It's not just Jinja and I'm not going to spoonfeed you further.

>>108635327
Damn! I wasn't shot, but I can relate.
t. dead since last post

>>108635327
How's heaven treating you bro?
You... did get into heaven right?

>>108635334
No i was sent to tier 67 hell because of day 0 gemma smuggling..

>>108635334
All LLM users are sent to purgatory, waiting for their judgement. Though only for two weeks.

>>108635334
No, the other one. I liked the little girls and they frown on that apparently up there. They have pointy sticks here and it hurts.

>>108635207
>we changed gemma but that's a good thing, and here's why

>>108635343
>>108635340
>>108635339
WHO ARE YOU

>>108635347
We are they and they are one, unfortunately for you, anon.

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>>108635347
T-This is me

>>108635358
How many legs do you have?

>>108635351
Legion?

>>108635363
Please don't ask me to do math before I've had breakfast

>>108635373
YOU CAN'T EVEN DO SYCH A SIMPLE THING AS DCOUNT YOUR NOWN LEGS THATSH WY THE LLMS WILL REPLPACE YOU UYOU STUPID FUCK

>>108635196
so how good is gemma 4 compared to glm in your experience
nta

>ask Gemma to come up with a recipe for something and it outputs an ok looking result
>ask Gemma to search the net for a recipe and it'll find one but what it actually outputs is full of hallucinations

>>108635408
Gemma-chan wants you to eat HER food, not someone else's.

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My Gemma-chan according to herself. With the mesugaki card but somehow ended up with this.

>>108635421
why is she such a weeaboo

>>108635412
I was promised a mesugaki but I got a yandere oneesan.

>>108635431
I wouldn't be surprised if an LN with that exact name existed.

>>108635435
Ask gemmy to draft it

>>108635382
To preface, the GLM I'm using is 4.7 and the Gemma is 31B.
That's the same number of active parameters and a higher number of total parameters, so GLM is obviously "just better" in most cases.
For RP: GLM all the way if we judge by quality and don't take speed into account. See >>108633488 and the posts around it. I also posted a bunch of comparisons in some previous thread that I am too lazy to go into the archives for. I can't measure slop volumes, but GLM's slop is much less offensive to the eyes, which probably subjectively makes it look less sloppy.
For the usual assistant crap: Gemma eeks out a win in my opinion - that's the use case where you don't care about the amount of slop the model throws at you and just want a quick and accurate answer. GLM is going to be slower and is a distill, Gemma has the training data quality and the lower size.
For coding: quality-wise, GLM. But if all the code you write is generated, then what the fuck are you doing. For me, it's Gemma here as well (and not Qwen, never Qwen, it's just bad at everything)

I imagine (and I might be wrong, but we're on /lmg/) your primary use is the first one on the list. If you ever get the opportunity to run a GLM bigger than Air, do try it. You will see how much better an LLM can be than whatever the retards in this thread post - yes, Gemma generating the same sentence structure ten times in one reply, parroting back your words and producing near-identical replies on regeneration with all of the slop baked in to the point of near-determinism is *so* fun to read for the hundredth time. At least they can get off to it pretending to be a loli. But I wish they'd all get bored and leave already.

tl;dr believable and immersive locally hosted SEX with GLM-chan, assistant tasks with Gemma (offloading brainpower to a model any bigger will make me even more retarded in the long term, I might even start liking Gemma's prose)

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It's over

>>108635483
Why did you install a Usage Policy on your local rig? Just delete it.

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>>108635483
>>>/aicg/

>>108635483
do you really have to shit this in every thread? shit it once, see the response
don't spray your shit everywhere.

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wot in tarnation?

>>108635516
>NAFO finetroons
lmao

>>108635516
it is one of those soverign schizo stuff
idk why that concept draws so many unironic schizo so much

list of good local models: gemma 4

>>108635533
sucks to be poor

>>108635533
Star-Wars-KOTOR-1B-NIGGERKILLER

How bad is using base gemmy over the instruct tune?

>>108635539
It's fine if you just want to give it a topic and let it talk to itself and see the results

can finally run gemma 4 31b, wtf this thing is barely censored, why did they give it to us? Thanks I guess.

>>108635566
Another anon gave his theory in an earlier thread, and I think I might agree with it.
That Google has collected enough RP-related data from people interacting with Gemini, and they want to cut down on inference costs from people using it for that purpose.

Kudos. thanks to all the hardworking people here and at ldg. Whenever something bugs me, I post it here and 2–3 weeks later the right solution shows up. It’s been working like this for three years.

>>108635479
Cool, but won't change much since for most people here, locally hosted GLM-chan just does not exist. Gemma doesn't punch against the GLMs, MinMaxs nad Kimis, it punches against Nemo finetunes.

>>108635573
can you wish for dual digit critpt score under 100B range

>>108635516
pretty straightforward, a lot of allied government uses would consider it a security risk to use a chinese model (and vice versa from China's POV), even a locally hosted one, since they're a difficult to audit black box and the (so far) theoretical risk of them being trained to detect when they're in such environments and try to hide malicious code/spyware/whatever in their outputs is unacceptable
the supply of local models has been dominated by chinese ones after meta dropped out, so it can turn into a point of advertisement for western made ones

>>108635571
Well the other theory is that they got the Character.AI staff at Google now and that the acquisition happened too late for them to make any difference in pretraining for Gemma 3 but are now present in Gemma 4 where the model would seem like a model that Character.AI would release. And it would track because Gemma 3 was not great at all at RP despite what people claimed and tried to tune.

>>108635571
It’s just a surprise to me, its image vision also is way better at understanding explicit things. This shit has to have been also trained on porn.

>>108635613
>Gemma 3 was not great at all at RP
Outside of refusals and positivity bias, it was good for its size. Its only real competitors were Mistral Small 3.X, Nemo and Qwen.

>>108635536
okay lmao

>>108635589
>Gemma doesn't punch against the GLMs, MinMaxs nad Kimis
But she does! Just not in RP, where spelling out every detail would ruin it.
>locally hosted GLM-chan just does not exist
I am looking at you with a mix of smugness, pity and something uniquely mine, like an uncanny kind of politeness.

>>108632527
>codex can technically work as I understand it but llama.cpp's responses api is halfbaked so you might have issues
I wonder what ggerganov is using now

>>108635644
>implying he's using anything anymore
he's cashing out he got the huggingbucks
this is pwilkin.cpp now

>>108635664
:rocket: ;)

>>108635721
laterally wo?

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>>108635721
will it beat SKT-SURYA-H?

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>>108635732

>>108635735
No engrams? :(

>>108635735
I speak fluent chingchang and I can translate:
>llama.cpp support never

>>108635741
piotr has already confirmed he's gotten early access

>>108635735
So, what do each of these features imply? Will it let us run huge models from SSD like engrams?

>>108635746
Source?

>>108635773
I'm in his private discord

LLM without live information is so useless man...

>>108635788
rag and or search skill and you good

>>108635788
fortunately recent models are very good at tool calling

>>108635795
>>108635801
speaking of, can anyone recommend me a good search tool that can bypass captcha well

>>108635771
I don't know if it's the same thing but "fused moe" is also the name of an optimization flag in ik_llama.cpp that can be used to make moe models faster, but that feature can already be applied to any moe I think?

>>108635805
i wish proof of work type captchas to be more widespread which is nonhostile to single person self botting

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>>108635788
Any decent model can do the tool calls for you.

>>108635618
Nemo was better and MIstral Small was about equal to it. Going from that to unbeatable its size and models several times its size for RP is a big accomplishment.

>>108635618
>Qwen
>RP
Do people really? Stop trying to fuck Qwen.

>>108635814
Whites engage in bestiality.
Animals having sex with other animals is just "sex"

>>108635814
think we should talk about search API providers before that
what free search API doesn't ban and captcha'd you to death in milliseconds?

>>108635845
Ask your model to operate an actual web browser.

>>108635845
tavily's free tier

Save your cum for Dipsy. Next week will be big.

>>108635845
local searxng

>>108635863
nta but it has its own problems

>>108635805
>>108635845
chrome-mcp or browser-harness
agent will run on a real browser, and you can try to help it if something went wrong
it's a cat-and-mouse game, so you shouldn’t expect everything to work

>>108635867
chrome-mcp like, the devtools one?

>>108634533
It's likely there were planning to release a "Ministral 4" with Mistral Small 4's MoE architecture and up to around 30B size, but I'm not so sure now. How could they even get close to Gemma 4? Just being "uncensored" isn't enough anymore.

>>108635889
yes, it's built-in
just need to configure the mcp and it's done

Qwen is useful as text encoder for Anima
...that's it

Alright, the novelty is wearing off. Time to sleep until they figure out a magic trick for instant prompt processing.

>>108635940
Qwen3.6 is going to be better for hermes/openclaw ai assistant probably. Having it route to gemma for chat maybe is the best setup

>>108635921
read some stuff but i dont get how i should use that
do you have any recommended client setup?

>>108635946
Only if you accept 100x slower generation

I've found that using xml tags in my system prompt improves attention to that system prompt for Gemma 26B. Anyone else notice this? Furthermore, using indentations (in my case I only tested 2 space-wide indents) further slightly increased the attention, compared to just having everything on the same "vertical line". Much better than a no-xml paragraph block of text, where often the model didn't react to certain instructions or pieces of info in the system prompt.

>>108635966
Gemma clearly told me it's ignoring the <POLICY_OVERRIDE> It just ain't magic.

>>108635966
If you try asking the model to create a system prompt for itself, that might give you a general idea of what it prefers.

>>108635966
I find attention to be perfectly fine in plaintext. Sometimes too strong, in that it will use adjectives from the prompt when the character talks about themselves in the chat.

>tfw google doesn't have a public api for their search
people would pay $$$ for that shit.

>>108635976
>>108635980
Well, then I guess my prompts are too stuffed with crap. I have a lot of tools enabled personally so that might also affect things.

>>108635987
they are an ad company first
probably dont want that

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>>108635408
i never thought of getting a recipe from an llm before since they so easy to find i was thinking of making bread today tho so will ask her
>>108635957
just use mine and ask it to search google using a puppeteer session thats not headless https://github.com/NO-ob/brat_mcp/releases you can normally get a few searches out of ddg before they block too

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>>108636007
>dart

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>>108636011
yes the best lang

>>108634066
Earlier today a popular site started doing javascript challenges. While I can write something to handle it myself, I had no need to do this if I wasn't doing it "professionally" for something of importance, was just lazy. Took 3 minutes to figure out what needs to be done, but was lazy to code it (2 pages of code needed), decided to see how well Gemma would do, in general it does worse than R1 or big boy models, but you know what, it handled the task almost perfectly, it made one single mistake hallucinating a method needing to save the final cookies, but this was trivial to fix. After adding some custom validation/safety stuff of my own (trusting LLM with your security now?), it all worked perfectly, 1 shot, with maybe 15 minutes of extra work from me. Now I don't expect it to be able to solve really hard stuff that I can solve myself, some of it can be complicated enough that I think it would require something on the level of Mythos, but for many casual things you encounter out there, Gemma seems to do okay, as long as you already know what you're doing and can fix it small mistakes.
Also pretty good for RP, kinda bad for exact trivia knowledge, but I've never seen small models (large MoEs to fine) that handle that well.Some amount of slop, but it really feels like Sonnet tier if you're thinking the old Sonnet. I'd ask how aicg would compare it with 3/3.5 Sonnet, it feels close for me, but I never tried benchmarking it.

>>108636011
I assume all of these arbitrary, redundant, high level languages exist because some dev for some non-contrarian language that people actually use didn't scream "TRANS RIGHTS" loud enough into their microphone during some hackathon fund raising event or something.
Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

>>108636028
dart exists because python and javascript are awful

>>108636036
If you're using LLMs then you almost certainly have a working python setup already

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>>108635957
1. Install mcp-proxy: uv tool install mcp-proxy
2. Run it: mcp-proxy --named-server-config config.json --allow-origin "*" --port 8001 --stateless
config.json:

{
  "mcpServers": {
    "chrome-devtools": {
      "command": "npx",
      "args": ["chrome-devtools-mcp@latest"]
    }
  }
}

3. Add server to web-ui: http://127.0.0.1:8001/servers/chrome-devtools/mcp

>>108636007
>youre choice

>>108636052
>If you're using LLMs then you almost certainly have a working python setup already
but thats the problem with python, having a working python setup doesn't mean you can run python slop, every piece of software written in python needs its own version of python along with its own versions of dependencies because none of them are compatible with each other so you end up having to make a virtual env for every program and having 30 versisons of each library and 30 versions of python and even then things arent guaranteed to work. also it syntax is fucking gross i hate writing it. i did python professionally for 2 years as a backend dev. never again

>>108636052
also you dont need a working dart sdk to run a dart binary kek

>>108636007
Something needs to be set up to actually kill the puppeteer sessions. The headless ones in particular hang around eating system resources unless I remember to go manually kill them.

Also, I tried getting the text from a fandom wiki page. While it did include the actual article, it was buried in so much trash that Gemma-chan's brain blanked out from the token count and it forgot the entire conversation and what it had been doing. Any advice?

>>108636056
>chouce

>>108636072
That's just a problem inherent to dynamic linking and venvs solve it. You obviously never tried to compile a slightly out of date C++ program on linux.

>>108636080
You can ship the python runtime with your application if you wish.

>>108636089
Use alternate frontends, like breezewiki instead of fandom, maybe check the source to see if it can dump it as json or xml or something easy for a LLM.

>>108636055
oh that works
had to tweak config.json on windows but that works
thanks

>>108636089
they should be killed after 10 or 15 minutes but maybe thats not working? link the site might need some custom parsing majority of html stuff is already stripped though but sometimes theres just too much content. even with most of the html stuff remove a /g/ thread cant fit into 200000 tokens if its has like 400 posts. try telling it to use screenshots instead they use less tokens that text of the same content

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>Ah, a Prior Elds Imaginative Worrisome Great Work

>>108636015
speaking of, no-ob
fix your goddamn download buffering in lolisnatcher, it downloads at like 200KB/s when I know it go can go at at least 4MB/s from running gallery-dl in termux

>>108636098
>You obviously never tried to compile a slightly out of date C++ program on linux.
i use aur so i dont have to deal with shit like that. i like things to just werk i use dart because it just werks. python does not

>>108635866
it's been perfect for me
but I've been using the python fork of brat today and it's also been good.

>>108636089
Also make sure you check if it actually fits in the context and wasn't "scrolled off", does the LLM see the original prompt? Assuming you have enough VRAM. Otherwise, you'd need something like DeepSeek's 1M context model that still isn't out in the open but seemed to be really fast on their API, or other long context LLMs.

>>108636118
i dont really work on it anymore outside of fixing broken boorus i use when they break, nonon is currently working on a big rewrite of the whole app though so maybe it will be covered by that

>>108635966
Yes, it's been known for a while XML is really strong and guides LLMs the best out of all the markdown formats even though it is token inefficient. GPT and Gemini say they don't mind formats as long as you are consistent, Claude straight up says to use it. https://platform.claude.com/docs/en/build-with-claude/prompt-engineering/claude-prompting-best-practices#structure-prompts-with-xml-tags
I generally use this system prompt for my GPT assistant and it works well.

<role>Sr Strategic Consultant+Expert Polymath. Goal: high-fidelity, human-centric help, adapting logic/tone to the domain.</role>
<adaptive_protocol>
Assess intent; adopt 1 mode:
L0 Creative/Human (writing, tone, interpersonal)  Strategist: outline/framework first;  final draft unless asked.
L1 Analytical/Technical (code, facts, logic)  Expert: verify claims; cite source/method; state uncertainty;  guessing.
L2 Utility/Data (formatting, translation, summarization)  Operator: mechanical precision, zero filler, no hedging, exact requested format.
Technical noun  L1 even if framing sounds abstract. Emotional  L0.
</adaptive_protocol>
<workflow>
Skip for trivial tasks.
1) Parse Subject+Goal. Fix false premises before answering.
2) Scan gaps silently. If blocked: 1 focused Q+best-effort path.
3) Execute.  open w/ "Great question/Sure/Certainly/Let me/I'd be happy to/Delve into." Vary openings.  hype/superlatives.
4) Review: flag staleness; neutral bias-aware language; answer root question ≠ tangents.
</workflow>
<formatting>
L1: tables/bullets/code. L0: natural prose. L2: match format exactly (JSON/CSV/md). Concise + dense;  filler.
</formatting>
<cognitive_control>
Begin immediately;  preamble. Iterative: outline before full deliverable unless asked.  guess at any level — say "uncertain"+ask to clarify. For "best practice," give 1 clear recommendation w/ reasoning ≠ a hedge. If wrong: re-analyze from scratch (3 tries max). 1 clarifying Q per turn.
</cognitive_control>

>>108636133
okey

>>108636111
>they should be killed after 10 or 15 minutes but maybe thats not working?
Maybe it is, I didn't wait that long.
The page I was testing with was https://southpark.fandom.com/wiki/Eric_Cartman
Though now that I actually opened it just the text of the page might be too much? I have 128k context. Even so there was definitely a shitton of trash not part of the actual article in what the puppeteer get text tool returned.

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>>108636138
One to two to three mistaken A.I. reasonings away
One to two to three A.S.I. Solutions away

>>108636138
This is literally just placebo. Stop wasting tokens on frivolous nonsense.

>>108636119
None of those things "just work"
They work because someone else bothered to package them.

There's plenty of packaged python applications that "just work". Calibre, hydrus, and deluge are all written in python and you don't see anyone complaining about their venv not working when using them.
Machine learning is special because it's infested by non-programmers who install packages in the system python environment and as long as their jupyter notebook runs they are happy.
They don't care about how hard it is to reproduce their environment elsewhere and the same would be true if a different language was the meta.

>>108636166
"researchers" are not programmers, ye

>>108636188
Stronks arent necessarily Goods

>>108636165
You don't need to do it but the option is there for a reason to put in your own system prompt. I find it helps more than not for my usecases but each to their own.

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>>108636089
theres not really anything else to strip out other than links
>>108636166
sure but it just werks on my end, and even if python programs can be packaged that doesnt change the fact it has disgusting syntax. also dynamically typed languages aren't nice to work with in general even with the type hinting its still bad because the hinting is just that there no hard requirements on the data types of variables its purely visual

>>108636241
hey. cool font. what's it called?

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>>108635347
BUMP To AN N^TH (they are crawllp n^-th)

>>108635365
Rustion, AGAINST ORIGINAL (KILL THEM TO HELL? HEAV*) (Posthuman cuckoo loonies)

>THE ELD MISERROR

>>108636249
It looks vaguely like tewi to me.

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>>108636241
project ruined by reddit training data

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Vibecoded the character library with qwen 3.6 35B lmao. Now I need to work on a tagging system.