We aren't anything special, and AI is confirming that for us. Researchers of the FlyWire project mapped a fly's brain. To be clear, they just mapped it; they didn't code an AI to learn how to be a fly. They just digitally reproduced the physical structure of the brain.They ran that structure and WITHOUT A SINGLE LINE OF CODE, the digital fly started acting EXACTLY like a real fly. It started rubbing its legs together and exploring its virtual environment for food.This is a huge blackpill. There is no middleman. There is no "soul". We're just extremely complex machines.
>>108637270How is AI even related to this? There was zero indicators humans and muh consciousness were anything special before the first LLM was conceptualized.
>>108637270The blue one looks like nikocado
>>108637270take your meds
>>108637270I suggest you read the paper because it didn't do any of the things you're claiming. You fell for clickbait. Again.
>>108637270Uhuh.
We knew this already though.
>>108637270Flies aren't conscious. Not in any meaningful way.
>>108637270Meh. You can simulate some people with an even simpler system than they used for the virtual fly.while (true) { this.steal(money); this.lie(); this.murder(Baby.getInstance()); this.rub(hands);}
while (true) { this.steal(money); this.lie(); this.murder(Baby.getInstance()); this.rub(hands);}
only good thread on /gee/
>>108637270you think we don't have a soul because a fly brain was simulated?
>>108637326neither are you, you're on /g/
>>108637334Welcome to the blackpill.
>>108637270True. Luddites keep coping tho
>>108637346yeah it's blackpilling how many of you retards have taken over 4chan
>>108637346How is that even a blackpill idea? Humans having a soul or not has no practical relevance to anything.
>>108637343Don't worry. You'll be funny someday!
>>108637330who is `this`?
>>108637270
>>108637270Please edit your post. It is still very obvious you used LLM, you stupid little fuck.
>>108637270"We know that a theory of consciousness requires the addition of something fundamental to our ontology, as everything in physical theory is compatible with the absence of consciousness."what chalmers means here is that if there are only unconscious terms, then everything would be explicable in only unconscious termshttps://consc.net/papers/facing.html
>>108637373yet you will never be conscious
>>108637474cogito ergo sum
>>108637486sneed ergo feed
>>108637270>AIno such things exist>EXACTLYnice cope, as retarded as a fly is, a static computation doesn't get anywhere close to how the brain evolves over time, if you did that to a human you'd basically have a demented ghoul that just walks around in circles confused.>We're just extremely complex machines.Nice reddit take, a shame it's false.go learn more and come back later.
>>108637270Souls are real.Jesus Christ is Lord.
>>108637270>>108637983I'd do that to a human and you'd say it behaves exactly like one just because it's breathing and walking around even if in a demented state.
>>108637491Fuck off zoomer clown. Cogito ergo sum is a famous quote that's Latin for "I think, therefore I am". Whether the soul is real or not doesn't even matter. The fact that you can think and be aware of your own consciousness is proof enough that you exist in some metaphysical capacity.
>>108638051Consciousness and intelligence are orthogonal properties.
>>108637270>we can kinda simulate a fraction of a fly's brain therefore consciousness isn't real
>>108637270You will never solve metaphysics. Now fuck off.
>>108637306
A perfect simulation of the appearance of consciousness is not consciousness. The correspondence of conscious decisions to electrical activity in the brain (of a fly, especally) does not justify the reduction of conscious decision to electrical activity in the brain. It is in principle impossible for consciousness to be described in physical terms. The soul is real, and this is known immediately. Its existence is the first fact of experience.
>>108637270>WITHOUT A SINGLE LINE OF CODEproof?
>>108638072Your comment is so profoundly retarded, that, assuming you're conscious, it almost proves itself.
>>108638239It's not something can be "intelligent" and not conscious ie daniel dennet.And something can be dumb but conscious, ie my cat.
>>108638255>something can be "intelligent" and not conscious ie <PERSON I DON'T LIKE>.
>>108638308He claims consciousness does not exist.http://davidchess.com/words/poc/lanier_zombie.html
who even believes in humans having some special soul other than religious fucks? Consciousness is obviously real but it's just an emergent experience.
>>108638051this nigga speakin latinooga ergo booga
>>108638382>no man, the soul is real. I took DMT once after a Phish concert and saw extra-dimensional beings, trust me!
>>108638409Not religious, don't really believe in souls either, but "it's just an emergent experience" is reductionist faggotry.
>>108638051I sneed therefore I feed
>>108638465>jokes on them>I was only pretending to be a nigger
>>108637330I wouldn't exactly call them people.
>>108638482>Not religious, don't really believe in the hand of god holding us down either, but "gravity is just a physical experience" is reductionist faggotry.
>>108638468Learn to read, dennet was claiming that consciousness does not exist, nothing to do with le soul.
>>108638409>le emergent>still cannot explain the hard problem.Retard, it's the other way around, consciousness is fundamental and matter is emergent.
>>108638596At no point did I even make such a claim. I was mocking the author of whatever bullshit you posted. You are clearly an idiot. No reason to engage earnestly.
>>108637270Why lie? You provided no sources for any of this. When i went looking all i found was a post from someone claiming to work with others who are on this project and they said tests have been limited in scale and without much success. Nothing like a virtual fly grooming itself and flying around.
>>108637270kek what would you or the people you worship know about soul you miserable faggot.
Anon, they programmed how a neuron works, aka, what is sending an electric signal from one neuron to another, how certain cell transform stimuly (eyes, ears, nerves) to electric signals and how muscles react to electric stimuly, lets say they programmed how a FPGA works.Next, they loaded the scan of the fly's brain, this scan is how every neuron is interconnected between them, like, the VHDL of the FPGA.Saying no line of code was used is just retarded.
>>108638181lmao is this nigger for real? Scientific papers from around 2014 already have mapped how our micro tubules on the billions neuron act as our memory, logic, behavior, etc
erhm... source?
>>108637270>>108637301>>108637325>>108637332>>108637346We can tell you're samefagging
>>108638051No it just means you exist, the addition of "in metaphysical capacity" is a complete non-sequitur
>>108638792metaphysics is a spook
>>108637270you are pre-determined by your brain's code to kill yourself
>>108637306what is wrong with your brain
>>108637270Consciousness is a necessary condition of the brain, not the other way around.
>>108637270This is total bullshit, a flys brain only controls the antenna and mouthparts, the legs, flight and etc are controlled by ganglions in the rest of the body segments.
>>108637270>This is a huge blackpill. There is no middleman. There is no "soul". We're just extremely complex machines.Did it ever occur to you that flies are nothing more than biological machines? Maybe look into the research that showed the mappings of cognitions in humans realizing the synaptic brain responses came out of nowhere and they couldn't figure out what actually means to it.In short, you've discovered we are not flies dumbass.
>>108638896Oh ho. Are you a religious nut?
>>108637270>pAIjeet retard considers himself a mindless flesh automaton>projects to othersClassic.
consciousness is fundamental to the universe, to say that it is just an epiphenomenon is an unprovable dogma, though AI is getting spooky, physicists like John Wheeler and Roger Penrose thought so
>>108638602>>108638896>>108638935These.>>108638908>>108638760>>108638515Pic related
>>108638961>I'm a divine being with a soul because... well I just am, okay
>>108637270>AIjeet is as retarded as a flyVery based
>>108637270> EXACTLY like a real flyThe word EXACTLY is doing a lot of work. How do you even verify its EXACT, it could be significantly inaccurate since we simply don't know all the subtle intricacies of fly behavior. Also, I am pretty sure nobody considers a fly meaningfully conscious. They are so far removed from the higher animals that you really can't draw any conclusions.
>>108638896>Did it ever occur to you that flies are nothing more than biological machines? Did it ever occur to you that humans are the same type of biological machine but simply more advanced?
>>108638651learn to read again i said dennet made that claim not you fucking retard.
Can it learn?
>>108639378There was no reason to reply that unless you thought that I was retorting. You're as good as braindead.
>>108637270There is no way that the top blue image isn't just an obscure Nikacado Avocado asshole pic. It's uncanny how similar it is' down to the angles and the small head pokin out. No link or reference to a source either.Good troll OP
>>108638785>WeSorry meant to write I
>>108638760There's a lot of bullshit with these interpretations and even back then the only way to make it complete 'balance the equation' so to speak was talk about quantum reactions taking place in the microtubules that suggests a degree of consciousness is outside the physical structure of the brain. What we don't know however is a 'chicken or the egg' problem about if consciousness is perpetual and independent and just needs a physical form to express itself in what we conceive as physical reality, or if its the other way around in the sense that what our physical hardware does acts as an antenna that is now creating quantum (or whatever else you want to call it, metaphysical etc) with its actions,
>>108639008This is accurate. Also to bring it onto another level we'vee done this a tons of time before and had been wrong >fMRIs guys prove that chocolate and cocaine and weed are equally exciting certain neurological receptors that means you're going to die guys! Here's a scan of the brain when someone's high on (pick a thing) and their brain is like not functioning normally look only 25% of where it 'normally' fires is firing... we're not going to wait until they come down in a couple hours and the brain is completely normal because that gets in the way of our vested interest and ideological claims>Oh hey guys do you know if I give people oxytocin its EXACTLY like being in love see its all chemical bro people are just shitty machines operated by chemicals and shit bro and on and on it goes. None of that has ever been actually accurate
>>108638792"I am." Is a metaphysical description of entity, an ascription of ontological status.
>>108637270Okay, whatever.
>>108637270What consciousness does rubbing legs require?
>>108637270http://nietzsche.holtof.com/reader/friedrich-nietzsche/the-gay-science/aphorism-11-quote_dab0392ae.html
>>108637353And it's just you spamming the same picture over and over again,how embarrassing.
>>108639210We need to go back to the days when spreading vomit pop philosophy bullshit would net you a whipping
>>108640948In his and unfortunately many other cases the LLM is actually a miraculous cognitive accessibility tool, you expect too much from the normalcattle
>>108638072correct>>108638239imbecilethe link between consciousness and any physical thing (like a computer or brain) is a contingent linkread the c-fibre argument
> argument consciously against consciousnessHow about you all consider stooping being dummy? you confuse identity with reasoning. And create affirmations that are self contradictory (false per definition)...
>>108637270>We aren't anything special, and AI is confirming that for us.If you're not anything special then killing yourself shouldn't be that big a deal.
>Fuck off zoomer clown. Cogito ergo sum is a famous quote that's Latin for "I think, therefore I am". Whether the soul is real or not doesn't even matter. The fact that you can think and be aware of your own consciousness is proof enough that you exist in some metaphysical capacity.
>>108637270>wow we reverse engineered a piece of [hardware] into a computer simulation and it started acting like the real thing!nothing new nothing special.
>>108637270>say "i am alive"
>>108641718> wow we replicated the behaviour and it behaves similarly to the replicated thingA mimic mimicked me, therefore, I'm just a more complex mimic. There's no "me" (let's ignore there would be nothing to mimic in that case, therefore it wouldn't be mimicking)...
>>108637270Cool. Now when they map the brain of something with sentience and have the same results, I'll buy that there's nothing special about humanity.
>>108637270source
>>108638019You worship an invisible jew in the sky
Can't wait for AI to objectively prove that god and all other religious figures don't exist, so that dozen of millions of people commit suicide once they realize they've been worshipping made up characters throughout their entire lives.
>>108643230You can't objectively prove fantasies right or wrong, nigger.
>>108637270>no sourceSure, buddy
>>108637270Ok, who cares. Also this is old news. Tell me when they map out a persons entire mind and I can fuck it.
>>108638992You don't need to be religious or Christian to know consciousness is fundamental, thinking otherwise it's a reddit tier midwit take and playing in the hands of jews.
>>108643804>playing in the hands of jewsNot a bad thing.
>>108643825Alright goycattle, if you like to suck Jewish cock so much i can't help you.
>>108643828>immediately starts to think and talk about sucking cock
>>108637270How dense must one be to think brains need magic soul dust to work instead of good old-fashioned computation?
>>108637270Businesses are building weapons for Israel, Pro-Palestinian protestors completely heartbroken that they cannot defeat the big businesses.
>>108637270> This is a huge blackpillHe doesn't know about the key.
>>108637270the machine is special
>>108643891You were the one saying you don't see issue with playing in their hand.cocksucking is literally the closest analogy there is.
>>108637270>This is a huge blackpill. There is no middleman. There is no "soul". We're just extremely complex machines.AI post. Nobody writes like this.
>playing into someone's hand is like sucking their cock
>>108637270Old (and misrepresented) news + this belongs on >>>/sci/ or something
>>108637353I normally dont go on /g/ but this meme is too funny lol. Post it on /pol/
>>108637270How can you know that it acted "exactly" like a real fly if EVERYTHING was inside of a computer simulation? And what does it has to do with consciousness?
>>108645571consciousness is an emulation layer that runs on the hardware and runs brain programs
>>108645615What are "brain programs" and why running them produces subjective experience?
>>108645652brain programs are things like muscle movement, breathing, heart beats etca perfectly conscious being would have full control over all of thembeing aware of self and surroundings has the advantage of being able to do novel behaviours, eg stopping breathing while underwater
>>108645721>being able to do novel behaviours, eg stopping breathing while underwaterThis does not require subjective experience and can easily be achieved purely through processing sensory input.
>>108637270So how can I replicate this just to make sure that it isn't complete hyped up bullshit designed to get grant money.
>>108637270>This is a huge blackpill. There is no middleman. There is no "soul". We're just extremely complex machines.no shit, retard.
>>108637317>I suggest you read the paper because it didn't do any of the things you're claiming/thread
>>108645721>being aware of self and surroundings has the advantage of being able to do novel behaviours, eg stopping breathing while underwaterif (underwater) { stopBreathing()}There's your self-aware AI. You're welcome.
>>108647435>>108645749yeah I didn't mean to say there isn't another way to skin the cat, I just think that's where evolution landed
>>108637270>If we make a stronger computer it'll be conscious trust me bro it just will ok???
>/g/>philosophy 101
>>108637270>no link
