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>>108641287
each second of my time is valuable

>>108641349
taking daddy bills cock is valuable?

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>>108641287
It's too hard to use, unironically.
Most people don't see computers as tools, but as expensive Internet appliances that should just work.
Tools require mastery, appliances just do things, learning to use Linux is treating your computer like a tool to be mastered, most people don't want to make a hobby out of using their computer.

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What are the normies' problems with Linux, honestly?

>>108641287
Because they wouldn't be normies any more by definition.

It's not that there's a problem with it, you've defined that group of people that way. It's like the atheism thing.

>>108641287
this nigga got a dead channel lmfao

>>108641422
What atheism thing?
It's just another flavor of religious fervor, only they replaced god with scientists.

>>108641287
I can't imagine caring

>>108641287
They'd rather complain and avoid the smallest of actions in the way of freedom.

Because the most popular linux distros are shit.

Linux mint sucks
>Nemo sucks, slowest file manager on linux, has trouble loading large files and folders with lots of thumbnails. KDE does it instantly. 25% slower than windows 11 file manager
>Sucks at streaming, Compositor is shit and has frametime lag in games when you stream
>Drawing program has visible lag and takes seconds to even undo a line you drew
>Still has no file picker with grid view and still doesnt have proper thumbnail loading in the file picker
>Has no VRR or HDR

ZorinOS Sucks
>Uses guhnome and has shit themes
>Uses guhnome software store doesnt even load icons and images properly, constantly lags and breaks
>VRR sucks and is noticeably worse than KDE
>Desktop feels laggy and not smooth even on all AMD

Even if you have a gaming PC with all AMD, linux still sucks. KDE even sucks, VRR works but it krashes sometimes, the desktop regularly krashes but KDE is the least shit out of all of them but even then KDE you have to replace its shit video player with VLC and its shit kcalc with speedcrunch or gcalc.

Did you know kcalc doesnt even support commas inbetween numbers like 9,000.

>>108641587
>kcalc doesnt even support
Everyone just opens a new xterm/tmux pane and runs python3 when they need a calculator.

>>108641287
They think their time is too valuable while spending 8+ hours on tiktok

>>108641287
Not enough people using it. That seems to be the biggest problem.

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>>108641592
Or they install some other better calculator. And this is the point with linux. The devs dont give a shit

The desktop developers dont even use their own desktops. They are actively destroying linux.

Its crazy that a calc app doesnt show the numbers your typing in that you NEED to see as big and with commas, so you know what you're typing.

>>108641287
never underestimate OEM. half the systems on your car are not required to actually have a functioning car, but you will buy them anyways because they come with the car. windows is a factory sound system or muffler. most people will just keep it.

>>108641287
You won't save Linux even if you amplified these issues. Linux is gaymer normie thing now and all you can do is watch Valve profit from your foss, and Microsoft and Canonical replace your gnu with propetiary rust binaries straight from Blackrock.

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>>108641612
This is GENUINELY what the KDE devs think a calculator should function and look like. How are you supposed to know what number you are typing in the top with that small ass text(you can't change it) with zero commas.

This is how kcalc looks by default

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Linux mint made their desktop ugly.

I would use it if they replaced nemo for nautilus, replaced drawing app for pinta, added gtk4 thumbnail picker grid support, added VRR and HDR with wayland and go back to the old menu and design theming.

>>108641287
Normies barely know how to plug a USB drive in

>>108641349
freedom is always worth your time. the price of freedom is never too great. if you cant understand this, i at least hope you dont actually care about computers. if you DO have those beliefs and DO like or work with computers, you are a gross hypocrite.
>>108641633
they arent forcing you to use anything you dont like. free software tools for things other than programming often leave something to be desired. but not switching away from spyware like windows because the calculator font is too small is comically petty. and you can always just install whatever you want. unlike ios which locks you out of non app store software, and now android also prevents side loading, and proprietary desktop os like windows and chromeos really really want to go that way too, and regardless they always reserve the rights to basic functionality on your computer by their principles. you have no agency over a machine that belongs to you.

>>108641698
The point is linux is worse than even windows 11, on a calculator level, on a file manager level.

Until even those basic things are even matched, it wont be an alternative. I would never consider

>>108641698
We get it, you're married to your ideology.

>>108641715
>explorer.exe crashed would you like to look for a solution?
>no solution found.

>>108641715
you will never switch because youre a cock sucker and ignoramus
>>108641734
if you look at things for more than 5 seconds you will find there are no alternative conclusions. you just dont give a fuck and never will because youre a cock sucker, nobody else can help that

>>108641795
>you just dont give a fuck
You're right, I don't. You care too much.

>>108641715
I can tell you've never used anything but windows.

>>108641814
Try using linux mint right now on an all AMD gaming PC. Youll be proven wrong. Ive tested both nemo and windows file manager. Nemo is noticeably slower, at least 250ms slower every time you open it, 100ms+ slower everytime you switch folders and takes 20+ more seconds loading thumbnails of the same size and count than in windows.

>>108641856
I'm sorry someone told you to use mint. they should be shot

>>108641287
If there's a single problem on the OS that absolutely has to be solved with a console command then it's never getting normie adoption.

>>108641349
fpbp

>>108641592
>>108641612
you can do math in fucking Kickoff or KRunner at least if I type 9+10 and it shows the result as a search result, quite cool

I think we can all agree on the fact that Mint is objectively the second worst way to introduce normies and noobs to linux, the absolute worst being Ubuntu.

>>108641900
steamos can't come soon enough

just look all the bios options to get linux to boot from nvme

>>108641900
It would be good they just need to fix it but you know damn well they wont do any of this shit because their ego is too big.

>Put the old classic menu back, revert the change, Its much more intuitive than the new ugly menu
>Go back to the old color scheme of dark grey with windows 10 like accent colors
>Fork nautilus with GTK4 and completely replace nemo
>Add wayland support for VRR and HDR into cinnamon
>Replace drawing app with pinta, a proper photo editing software
>Replace xviewer with gnome image viewer or some other better one that doesnt lag when you pan on an 8mb photo

Linux mint sucks, While their update manager and software store is good, thats about all it has to offer. It needs a lot more work to actually be on par with windows.

>>108641887
also works in the gnome overview

>>108641287
For normies social media like facebook, instagram, X, Youtube is 100% of their computing. That is where the masses congegrate. Reddit and SnapChat are places that are like slightly below the surface but still normie friendly. Anything that logins with Google/Apple is where turbo normies will end up. That's why they spread so far across the net.

They don't give a damn about offline usability, own-ability of digital media/content, p2p, privacy, digital sovereignty. They have the mindset that computers are like a service provided by a company. They don't hold the same values and right/wrong moral code as us FOSS nerds. It means nothing to them if the entire world's economy is interdependent on Adobe's subscription fees or big tech's monopolies and walled garden or Youtube houses health scam advertisements. Heck if it wasn't for Steve Jobs 2007 iphone (or any parallel device in an alt time line) they would not be using tech.

That's one of the major reasons I don't like the idea of normal people using FOSS anymore. They are still free to do so obviously, I don't dictate anything. At first I wanted to rescue them from Adobe's subscription fees and big tech's centralization, so they can outline text shadow and bevel text without paying 60 USD a month and I succeeded with gegl:styles in GIMP 3. But very shortly after that I got my ass banned from GIMP for publicly posting neonazi stuff associated with GIMP memes and defaming other FOSS people. So I learned my lesson
normies don't share our values. They never cared in the first place that they pay 60 USD a month just to make fancy text in Adobe. People like Lunduke who want "normal people" to use FOSS are making a grave mistake.

>>108641673
you can literally replace the default app with Pinta easy. I used Cinnamon with Caja and it worked fine. I even use xfce with Caja but it has one unavoidable problem where the file manage from GIMP and other apps always opens with thunar, but on Cin its fine.

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>If Linux is so good, why don't more people use it?
Nobody here is answering the question. The answer is simple: it's because most PCs don't come pre-installed with Linux.
Bulk PCs mostly ship with Windows, presumably due to partnerships with Microsoft and the existence of MS Office. Most keyboards ship with the Microsoft Windows logo printed on it. You think it's because the logo is good? No, it's because of partnerships with Microsoft.
Case in point, if MS Windows is so good, why don't people use it on their phones and tablets? Because the phones come pre-installed with IOS and Linux/Android, and nobody runs MS Office on their phones and tablets.

>>108642083
You shouldnt have to replace any apps, It should just work like windows 10. I used mint for 3 months I hated it and I had an all AMD PC.

First it was the menu, didnt like it, had to replace that completely on an update back to the classic
Then it was nemo, they made it noticeably slower in recent updates from 21.3 to the latest 22 release, so I had to replace it with nautilus
Then it was xviewer, didnt work for me as someone who takes a lot of photos because it literally cannot do the one job its designed to do, fluidly pan and inspect photos, it literally fails at the SINGLE thing it was designed to do as it lags, LOL.

So eventually mint got to the point where I'm replacing more things rather than things just working.

Thats a problem with all linux desktops, the devs dont actually use them or the apps inside.

>>108642013
>While their update manager and software store is good
No they are not. You have to go to a dropdown menu in the update manager to switch over to the latest version of Mint; pressing "Update" alone does not bring your computer up-to-date, which is the opposite of what the user expects "Update" to do. Moreover, the update manager should NOT be a separate program from the software store. Discover, GNOME Software, and pamac all let you install software and update software from the same program, because why the FUCK would you have a program called "Software Manager" that doesn't let you MANAGE software? Is updating not considered management? Mint is such a fuckup and I hate it.

>>108642101
slightly advanced users on Windows 10 replace apps like VLC and Irfanview and that popular audio equalizer that slips my mind at the moment

I replaced the default Fedora image viewer with Feh, Geeqie and Nomacs because they are better. I don't and have never liked xviewer or ristretto. Just like everyone replaces the default video player if it isn't VLC or mpv

Though granted eplacing a file manager is much more tedious then a simple image viewer, because the file manager is actually tied to the desktop environment in many cases.

>>108642116
I meant to say *replace defaults with

>>108642112
No linux distro has a good update system for the entire system besides discover and even KDE is shit with its programs.

People have been screaming at the devs of zorinOS to either make their own software/update manager or use bazaar or move to flatpaks or something after 5 years still have not moved an inch. ZorinOS devs are retarded.

>>108641287
>want to do something basic
>requires command line
>doesn't work

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>>108641287
If you want a UNIX-like experience, why wouldn't you just get actual UNIX on way better hardware?

Because I want to download visual novels, run .exe and read them
>buuuut protonlutriswhatever runs everything even better than--
Don't care, not switching until japs start shipping native linux binaries.

>>108641287
That's quite a forehead.

>>108641287
Until everything installs with one click, normies won't even consider it.

Remember the tantrums normies threw when Microsoft changed the Start menu with a fullscreen one? Yeah, they're like that, they don't want to learn anything new, just get the same old experience they're used to.

>>108641287
They have to install it. Too much work.

>>108641287
UI/UX fuckery.
Lack of pre-installed ways to do things
Lack of GUI
Commands found online don't do shit so they give up

>>108641287
>looks and acts inconsistent (even compared to Windows 10 with its 3-4 menu styles)
>needs workarounds to run software people actually want to use
>the sheer range of options is a pain for people who want to do more than distro hopping

>>108641287
i don't know and i don't care. if you want to use it, use it, if you don't, don't.
linux users don't have anything to gain by attracting people who aren't interested.

>>108641287
Because non-autists aren't interested in spending several hours per week troubleshooting their computer.
Double click the .exe and go. Maybe if linux can get to that point one day then it will see more than 3% user base (half of which are just steam decks)

>>108641612
>>108641633
Why do you even use those barebones calculators? The best calculator out there is Qalculate and it's open source as well, so all your screeching about foss calculators is irrelevant. For quick calc I use KRunner anyway, and since it has qalc integration it can do unit conversions, to there's no reason to use these calculators at all (probably the reason they're barely maintained).

>>108643295
>linux users don't have anything to gain by attracting people who aren't interested.
Wrong. I only recommend Linux to idiots because it's a great source of schadenfreude.

>>108643282
Wtf are you retarded? What is this nonsense?
>UI/UX fuckery.
Any modern Linux DE has better UI/UX than Windows. Windows still can't migrate from control panel and all the alternatives they introduce are fucking dogshit.
>Lack of pre-installed ways to do things
???
Most user-friendly Linux distros have archive managers, PDF viewers, VLC, audio players, Firefox, LibreOffice out of the box. Meanwhile Windows have jack shit.

>>108643415
>Any modern Linux DE has better UI/UX than Windows.
lol
>Most user-friendly Linux distros have archive managers, PDF viewers, VLC, audio players, Firefox, LibreOffice out of the box
and every single one of them is utter shit

>>108642116
replacing things on windows is also much more stable than replacing them on linux, installing a new menu or file viewer has a significant chance to break something once you update because the update was made for the original software instead and overwrote some settings or something so now it's botched.

>>108641349
I'm sure working for shekelstein is more valuable for your time than wanting an OS that doesn't spy on you. Normalcattle are not human it seems

>>108641368
Appliances are tools. You have to learn how to use a new washing machine. Likely by reading a manual. It's really just laziness. Nothing is stopping any of them from doing some light reading on what is offered and available while they use whatever they use, but they make excuses instead of using any amount of critical thinking. It's with every decision and purchase they make, and has nothing to do with the particularities of linux.

>>108643685
Nope. Provide an example, please.

>>108642116
All the file managers are terrible, and the fact that they auto-mount drives is dangerous and unnecessary, when they could be mounted on double-click. Everything that "tries" to make linux user-friendly does things that move backwards to unnecessarily hand-hold.

>>108644827
>and the fact that they auto-mount drives is dangerous and unnecessary
dolphin doesn't do that

>>108644768
Exquisite bait.

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>>108644999
Dolphin is still kde krap, though.
Hold the down arrow to skim down, and picrel happens.

>>108645087
It's not bait just because it upsets you.

>>108645133
Indeed. it upsets me. someone who uses both.

>>108641595
i think my time is too valuable while spending 2+ hours scrolling this site and responding to bait from the media assassins

>>108641358
You tell me.

>>108641869
>Use Linux
Ok.
>N-no, not that one!

Moving from Windows, I tried both Linux and Mac out. I wanted a computer to use for my dev stack (Angular => C#/.NET => Postgres). Did Linux first. After some initial installations it started to turn into this:

>wait why isn't this just working?
>look it up
>oh the thinger x must have not done y try this script
>ok that didn't do it try this script
>oh that's broken again

I did this for a few days then kind of checked out. Bought a Mac mini and attempted to do the same things

>click click click it just works, it all works, now I can focus on the programming

So that kind of settled it. In some ways it's like Linux exists precisely for this group of gatekeepers who enjoy making simple things tedious.

>>108644768
>You have to learn how to use a new washing machine. Likely by reading a manual.
No you don't. 99% of people look at the dial, pick something like "regular" or whatever, dump too many things and too much soap into it, slam the lid and hit "start".
>Nothing is stopping any of them from doing some light reading on what is offered and available while they use whatever they use
That would take too much time away from using social media or watching youtube/streaming. Normal people don't care about the operating system they use, but they want it to get out of the way so they can use the internet.

>>108646420
>they want it to get out of the way so they can use the internet.
They can't make it do this, now.

>>108641287
Gayland. Unironically every time I've seen a company try to transition to linux (outside of the IT dept) endless bitching about Gayland.. It's the one thing hardcore linux autists and normalfags have in common funnily enough, they see right through that shit.

>>108641592
Does no one use calc anymore?

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>>108648562
I use qalc in a terminal spawned at startup, bound to super+c.

Just use Nobara KDE anons

>>108648562

installs maxima
does not know how to maxima

>>108641287
Because Windows and Mac already do everything Linux does but better and simpler
They also feel more polished and are compatible with a lot more software

>hourly jay niggirwin flamewar troll thread
>>108646331
>10:13:43
>>108648416
>15:32:46
>>108649448
>18:54:21
>>108650617
>23:28:24
>jay niggirwin samefags himself to save his flamewar troll thread from page 10 after hours of no bites again

>linux finally has a shot at year of the linux desktop
>decides that's the perfect time to go mask off with a massive push for troonism and democrat bootlicking
lol

lmao

>>108641400
They're all professional Photoshop users.

>>108641287
My brother has an old Thinkpad T14g1 that he uses only for media streaming and browsing in bed, because he already has a work laptop and desktop for gaming. I asked him several times to try Linux out on the thinkpad, especially cause everything would work for him out of the box. His response is always "I don't feel like it."

>>108641349
which is why you spend so much time on 4chan, right?

>>108643396
>Qalculate
this

Its not pre-installed on their PC

>>108641287
Because people want ownership. If someone is working on a software they want to sell and make money, they demand ownership from the platform they are using. If a fucking program crashes, they want to get that fixed and recover the files. That is done through businesses. So the developers adopt an OS that has ownership that the developers can call on to manage their problems. Similarly, the devs rely upon software that require ownership so they can call on support to manage their problems. And the games they develop for the customers are developed on there. For the gamer pov, they demand ownership of the games they are playing, for developers to fix it. This all requires ownership.

And ownership costs a lot but people are willing to pay for it because its cheaper than not having it. And because there are ownership of responsibility involved, the companies have to protect the investment. So all things business related become proprietary. Such that people use Windows/Mac primarily due to reality of living in a world that requires responsibility

I swapped to mint from windows and I've been liking it

>>108641612
People still use calculators? I've been just doing math problems that would take me too long to do in my head using python in the terminal for at least the last 6 years now.

>>108641349
>AI gen image
clearly you couldn't manifest this image with a little bit of photoshop magic, because doing the same thing in GIMP or Krita doesn't respect your time, right?

>>108651082
When you're ready come home to Artix.

>>108641287
Most Normalfags aren't even aware that linux is an option to consider. They use what their employer gives them (windows), or they buy a Mac. Or they grew up with windows for gayming and keep using windows. None of them ever even consider or evaluate Linix as a possibility. Their decisions are in no way whatsoever driven by the quality (or lackthereof) of the alternatives in 2026.

>>108651068
Very tortured use of the term 'ownership' there.
Especially given the reality that Microslop stopped caring about delivering a quality product to home users many years ago, and for enterprise they compete with Red Hat and Canonical who offer """ownership""" to their customers.

>>108641287
1. normies don't know what an OS is
2. software is impossible to install
3. OS success is exponential, more users means more tutorials, more software and more computers coming pre-packaged with the OS, fewer users means the opposite

>>108641287
this dude is one klingon looking motherfucker