From houses to cast iron cooking to cars with features that would never happen today. Why does it seem like old tech was just better?
Gas ovens are explosively good.
>>108641549>cast iron cookingenjoy your rust
>>108641549Because it was, but, not because it was just better, in the past things where more durable, nowdays people just throw way their tech becaise the tech X pro max just came out
>>108641564Far superior, everything new is designed to make money for some parasite.>>108641564Skill issue.
>>108641549Reliability and not needing an app for anything that feeds into stasi databases
Obviously yes, old home appliances had tactical feedback through buttons, just worked and didn't have motherboards that self destruct in 5 years time.Same goes for any other type of electronic you can think of.
>>108641549Mom made the mistake of """upgrading""" our 40 year old fridge. Yes the new one broke in 2 years. Yes I warned her.
>>108641549because it was
>>108641549Old technology isn't good, it's just survivor biases. Also notice how all the good companies went out of business or radically changed because their products never got replaced.
>>108641549Old technology was better because it focused more in the working part than in the not working part
>>108641549I have a house with a bunch of built in late 70s and early 80s appliances, they are BAD ASS. They just run and run flawlessly forever. Before the era of high efficiency and energy saving bullshit, these things were absolute monsters. They look dated but who gives a shit?
>>108642453> oh no I got rich by making a product that has permanently improved someone's life AAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHGet help
>>108641596>enjoy your rustIt's easy to avoid by cleaning and wiping some oil on the pan while it's still warm after cooking. You also get dietary iron from it.
>>108642391Retard, a good brand will last you a while and use little power. In EU they even have to provide spare parts
>>108642792>You also get dietary iron from it.No you don't.The human body cannot absorb pure iron or iron oxide.Iron has to be part of organic molecules to be nutritional.
>>108642811>spare partsYou mean like the entire sealed system for LG fridges that fail constantly?
>>108641564picrel would make a sick album cover
>>108642826>No you don't.You absolutely do get dietary iron from it. Hematologists will even advise anemics to cook out of cast iron pans.
>>108642453>all the good companies went out of business or radically changed because their products never got replacedName one.
>>108641596How does enamel rust?
>>108643283Toyota
>>108641596>wipe off rust>wipe on shitty seed oil>put in oven for 30 minutesBOOM you have a factory fresh cast iron pan
>>108641549I'm all for "things used to be built better", but fuck gas cooktops. Induction all the way. My induction cooktop blows the pants off any gas cooktop I've ever used outside of a commercial kitchen (and commercial stuff has a host of other issues making it ill suited for residential).The only thing it's not amazing for is running a larger wok, and a high end gas one is only mediocre at that anyways. That's still the realm of dedicated hardware if you want to use one. Your basic gate stove can't run one of those at all.
>>108641549maintenance over convenience
>>108643374Induction excels at boiling water, but needing special pans is gay. Most of the issues with cooktops come from actually not being being very good at cooking, not the type of heat. Even standard coil electrics cook just fine, if you know what you are doing. Obviously certain techniques favor certain types of heat, but that falls back onto knowing what you are doing
>>108643374this. retards think gas is better because durrhurr me can see flames
>>108641549Things used to be built to last, then enshitification stepped in. The consumer friendly term planned obsolescence. Cars are a great example of this. Car reliability peaked in the 90s. They've been on getting worse and worse. However, a 40's car that has sat in a field for 50 years, is filled with rust holes and all sorts of shit with a little work might run and drive. It won't be safe and will need a ton of work to make it road worthy again but it would fire up. Take a modern car and leave it in a field for just twenty years and it won't start no matter what you do short of replacing every electronic in the thing. And since it was not designed to last, you won't find those electronics new and will have to settle for after market if there is any or used parts.It's going to be really fucking grim for used cars soon. God only knows how fucked bev appliances will be.
>>108643400Its hard to say definteive which is better, but losing simplicity and gaining safety might be worth it in the long run. Even the worst modern cars are orders of magnitude safer than old cars, and the good safety stuff is in another universe.
>>1086433741. gas is significantly cheaper than electricity2. you can continue cooking if the power happens to go out3. good luck properly charring an onion without a direct flame
>>108641549The old stuff broke, that's why we replaced it.So no, it broke, it wasn't better. Maybe it was "better" at doing its task, but if it breaks down, why don't you shut the fuck up and make it again?
>>108643413Modern cars are way safer, you are right about that. However most of that is the crash structure. Computers have not made cars safer in the terms of a crash other than firing the airbags and seatbelt explosives which could be done by a set of relays. The computer mostly manages the engine to meet emission standards. It does provide help in the way of traction control which can help prevent a crash. So the main issue of bringing a modern car back to life will involve diving into the computer to figure out why it doesn't want to fire. You see this a lot on LS swaps where you have to go into the computer to disable all sorts of sensors and security features to let the engine fire up. It's pretty crazy all the modules a modern car checks that work and communicates with before it will let you start the engine. If you're interested look up the CAN bus system.As for older cars, the only electricity they needed was to power the coil. Go even older and they didn't need that, they had what was called a magneto. That would generate the power required for spark when the engine spun. A model T as long as it hasn't rusted will always fire up with enough elbow grease.
>>108643441For sure, Kia theft is a good demonstration of the potential downside of electronics controlling the motor. Though not being decapitated by the glovebox door is a nice bonus on modern cars too.
>>108643440>The old stuff broke, that's why we replaced it.many people replace things not because they were broken, but because they looked old>if it breaks downcould have been repaired with really cheap parts. nowadays, for the sake of being "more efficient", parts come with sealed modules, where instead of replacing just a bearing, you have to replace the whole module that costs about as much as the whole appliance. so you're told "it's just better to buy a new one">>108643413>Even the worst modern cars are orders of magnitude safer than old carswhile they're safer in heavy crashes (muh crash tests) they have worse overall driver visibility and are more prone to light damage like bumping into things at parking lots
>>108643477Or stabbed through the chest by the steering column. Maybe we need to go back to dangerous cars. At least that way we can let the stupid kill themselves off.
>>108643481>many people replace things not because they were broken, but because they looked oldTell me the last product you replaced because it looked old.
>>108643488NTA, people update their kitchens all the time because "they looked dated", especially richers. They also buy the new phone because bigger number better.
>>108643497That's a really narcissistic, victim blaming way of admitting you were lying through your teeth, asshole.
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>>108643481Absolutely, modern visibity is awful. Im an elder millennial, so I was in plenty of 80s and 90s cars. My first car was a 92 Chevy Lumina 2-door, which probably had more visibility than a new convertible today. It would be nice if we could somehow have the safety AND be able out of the car.
>>108643506>Things are worse than the good old daysNo they aren't, mongoloid faggot.
>>108643511You might be retarded. NTA means not that anon. As in I'm not the person you were talking to. This board really needs forced IDs. It would help the whole site really.
>>108643497I buy a new a new phone every year. I do so because I like technology, and using it. I have few other vices so why wouldnt I spend my money on that if I enjoy it? But thats a completely separate issue from "dated" kitchens, which involves home resale value as well as aesthetic enjoyment. Which again, people are free to do with their money as they please.
>>108641549Some things are better, some are worse.But one thing is for sure: there is much more corner-cutting in modern products. That's why they feel rubbish.
>>108643516You're still too easy to provoke.
>>108643524You can buy new phones if you want, it's your money to waste. I usually wait until the battery gets weak before I replace mine.And people replace perfectly good kitchens because they look "dated". They do this regardless if they are going to sell the house or not. Richers who host a lot want to have a modern looking kitchen and dining space.>>108643531I don't understand how people still don't get netiquette. I still think forced IDs on all boards would massively improve this site.
>>108643488myself I keep using everything until they're ground to dustbut pretty much everyone that's renovating a kitchen, will replace an old but otherwise perfectly working kitchen sink with a modern one
>>108643524>I buy a new a new phone every year. I do so because I like technology, and using it.This is a very odd way to phrase this every time I read someone say such thing.I enjoy new gadgets too, but being a "tech enthusiast" isn't exactly a reason to get a new phone every year."I like shiny new toys" sounds more reasonable no? Not intending some sort of subtle insult here.Again, I enjoy new gadgets too.
>>108643393>special pansLiterally any ferritic stainless steel, which is most of them, or literally all of it from decent manufacturers. You can use cast iron if you want, but thin stainless is the best because it doesn't store as much heat, so you get far faster response times to applying/removing heat.>>108643432>gas is significantly cheaper than electricityMate, a good cooktop starts at around 4 thousand. You think I give a fuck about a few dollars in electricity?>you can continue cooking if the power happens to go outI have a 30kw padmount generator.
>>108643549>>108643540>will replace an old but otherwise perfectly working kitchen sink with a modern oneJust like other people have said, their money their choice.Hey, you wanted to be difficult about it.
>>108643540>I still think forced IDs on all boards would massively improve this site.they wouldn't - it would only invite more "me vs you" arguing because you could identify it's the same poster, even if within a single threadwith no IDs, you're more inclined to make replies towards the comment and not the poster, since you can't tell if it's the same poster or noteven just adding (You)'s made people argue towards posters (case in point - "proving" which posts are yours by screenshotting (You)'s, like in >>108643506 )
>>108643572The problem without them is we get retards like >>108643503 >>108643511 who don't understand that anyone can respond. Thread IDs would fix that. It would also heavily curb shitposting and make proving of (You)s not necessary.
>>108643553It is somewhat situational. I do the Apple iPhone Program, which technically is is 24 month loan. But they let you trade the phone after 12 months, and it restarts the 24month loan...this makes it effectively a lease which includes Apple care. If wasnt doing that program, I probably wouldnt get a new phone every year, but Id still replace it more often than my other electronics. My main computer is a 2017 i7-7700k system, that doesnt officially support Windows 11. So that system will be getting a second life as a Linux system in the near future. Ive never replaced that system because it does everything I could need it to do, and it will continue doing so hopefully for quite a while.
>>108643563>Mate, a good cooktop starts at around 4 thousand. You think I give a fuck about a few dollars in electricity?>I have a 30kw padmount generator.feel free to buy everyone else each of those, maybe then everyone will agree with you
>>108643568moving goalposts
>>108643586What happened was that anon interjected to reply on behalf of the other poster.Naturally, I'd like the person I am replying to to answer to their own bullshit, not a 2nd person entering the fray to confuse things.
>>108643598Yeah sure thing buddy, fucking idiot.
>>108643572>Thread IDs would fix that.they would only validate such manner of posting and invite more of it>It would also heavily curb shitpostingit really wouldn't>make proving of (You)s not necessaryit's already not necessaryand doing so, all you're doing is validating arguing between posters
>>108643610ad homonym
>>108641596I've left my skillet soaking more times than I could count. and there isn't a spot of rust on any of them.are you just talking out your ass? or is it because I got proper stuff from the restaurant supply place?
>>108643622You dropped your fedora.
>>108642885barely any. even spinach will have substantially more bioavailable iron i bet
>>108643624it's more that cooking with acid will degrade it faster
>>108643529Modern houses are nightmare fuel.You need a 30 year mortgage to afford to buy a home these days, and with newly builts you'll be lucky if you're offered a 10 year guarantee by the construction company; meanwhile, they're barely weather-proof due to being built almost exclusively out of aerated concrete (ie. you'll be running the heating/cooling nonstop during winter/summer), and anyway if you went with a company run by Indians or Chinese then it'll probably collapse well before your warranty is up because before pouring your foundation slab they would have nicked all the steel.
>>108643488my mom replaced the fridge and oven because she thought they looked too worn out
>>108643678Mom knows best anon, they were probably too old and going to break soon, they don't run forever and the refrigerant runs out.
>>108643686they were still working fine in my opinion. she specifically said it was for aesthetics, not because of functionality
>>108643698aesthetics are an aspect of functionality
>>108643704functional designs like aerodynamic planes can look aesthetic, but aesthetics don't fundamentally dictate functionality. discoloration on the surface won't make the appliance function differently
>>108643715a discolored appliance is not functioning correctly in the home setting. A home generally has a color scheme and something not adhereing to that is, is not functioning as it should. Aesthetics can and do affect usability, and usability is an aspect of functionality.
>>108641549Because modern technology is based on DRM, chink child labour, HR karens and jeetcode.
>>108643563Use carbon steel if you want a quick response.
>>108641549>carsabsolutely fucking not
>>108641549>Why does it seem like old tech was just better?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EksrfW3iJk4
fuck off retard.Gas stoves contribute to indoor air pollution.
>>108643793Every object inside a home including the building materials and people contributes to indoor air pollution
The recent blackout and then storms we had here made one thing clear: if you don't have gas you won't survive.Gas makes the food taste better, it doesn't rely on electricity, it lasts a long time, it's local and easy to use.I don't care if you use memeduction or something else, I'll be sticking to gas till the end of my life.The ancients knew what they were doing. It's also the reason I don't read books written after 1945.
>>108643842>The ancients knew what they were doingYou have an open hearth fireplace with no chimney?
>>108643865I do but it has a chimney.I'm not some fucking barbarian living in a longhouse. I'm a Roman patrician who builds homes out of brick and mortar.
>>108643884Longhouses had chimneys. You would have to go back a long long ways in human history to find dwellings without some kind of even rudimentary chimney
>>108643704>>108643723>goy, if you don't remodel your kitchen to the current, fashionable hgtv greige, your equity is going to take a huge hit, and the feng-shui-nality will be affected.you are a homosexual jew
>>108641549Resoundingly no. Our design parameters and requirements for consumer goods have maybe shifted into a worse place though.
>>108643907Well here he is, the end result of your attacks on me.Glad you're happy with refuting reality.
>>108641549I'm a luddite so I hate all new tech but I want to change my gas stove for an electric one. I know electric stoves are less responsive but the gas stove constantly leaks poisonous gas even when it's off. They were closed to being banned until retards started mouthing off.
>>108643332Its true. Toyota hasnt sold a car in 3 years.
>>108643833totally comparable. keep breathing in your vocs and the nanoparticles that gas stoves release/create.
>>108644021Building codes require adequate ventilation of gas appliances. If there are air quality issues, it is from user error or negligence.
>>108644021My grandparents all made it to their 90s using gas, I imagine I'll be fine
>>108641549Rather than better it was made better
>>108641596enjoy your teflon forever chemical diseases
>>108643842>Gas makes the food taste better,It does not.> if you don't have gas you won't survive.Do you have your own gas canisters? Im all for that btw, but 99% don't they just have a gas line that goes down as easily as proper electricity.The difference is in places where we use electric we usually have a proper electric grid that is not affected by things like storms.
Why are people who are against gas, cast iron, etc so aggressively adamant demanding everybody else scraps their appliances because they said so?
>>108644171As long as you compensate me for polluting the air i breathe you can do what you like.
It depends. It depends whether technological advances outpaced enshittification. LED lights are a hell of a lot better than filament or those energy saving lights which burnt out every couple years.But washing machines peaked in the 90s. This ol' thing is still going.
>>108644145no but if niggers in africa can ferment shit into biogas to cook their dirt mosquito pies with then surely i can too on my back deck
>>108644145>The difference is in places where we use electric we usually have a proper electric grid that is not affected by things like storms.Huhuh same, this was a freak storm where it took down overhead power lines.
>>108644171Misery loves company.
>>108644194Also I think this is relevant
>>108641549>Was old technology better?Yes.
>>108644271>pay first class prices for premium economy seatsUse case? Even worse now when you can get a first class pod and stay online with high speed.If they can make one that has the range to do transpacific flights then we are back.
>>108644374That premium price also included an 8 hour flight taking only 3.5 hours. The use case was time saved,
>>108644079literally the 'muh grandpa smoked like a turk and and never got cancer' argument.kys
>>108644390Assuming you're some business guy who needs to be somewhere for a day maybe.But if you can get good sleep in a plane wouldn't you rather take night flights. More direct options too.
>>108644055you are so fucking stupid. If you cook in the kitchen, you will smell the cooking everywhere even with ventilation. So the vocs and particles released from cooking don't disappear. But somehow the gas related pollutants do?Plus you're standing directly next to the gas flames while cooking, so you get direct exposure.
>>108644271Most people willing to pony up $2000 dollars to save a few hours flying would use private jets.Plus, much of the hassle of flying is dealing with security, baggage, and getting to the damn airport, not so much the flight itself.
>>108644374Chances are you're rubbing knees with some sexy actress or top athlete.
>>108644483Private jets are typically slower than regular commercial jets.And airport security wasn't a thing before 9-11 especially not for the rich.
>>108644483>Most people willing to pony up $2000 dollars to save a few hours flying would use private jetsNone of their private jets are capable of sustained transonic flight, that's where the business case comes from. If they truly need to get from Europe to the US in the same business day, their own jet wouldn't cut it
>>108644483The first concorde prototype was built in 1965. It was designed and conceived well before that. While air travel had already taken over from ocean liners, the general concept of crossing the Atlantic in 3.5 hours instead of 3 days was some wild shit. Also in the 60s and 70s, there was none or almost no security hassles, certainly not like today.
>>108641549Older washing machines and plumbing systems were much better. They now regulate the market to make them worse to "save" the environment. Almost anything that intersects with "green" technology is worse than pre regulation standards. Thermometers are tech that was vastly better years ago. Specifically because you use mercury instead of the new metal resistors.
>>108644199You can, but that's not really relevant to your gas stove. A basic digestion tank is something we all can make. But to run your gas stove you need a CO2 scrubber, pressurizer pump, tank, and big digester. That's not trivial.>>108644225>took down overhead power linesThere's your problem. They bothered to bury your gas lines but not your power lines.
>>108641549Because making it to fail on purpose to boost sales was verboten.
>>108644483>Most people willing to pony up $2000 dollars to save a few hours flying would use private jets.That's nothing. Long flights regularly cost $1000-$1500. Economy, cheapest airline. Business class $5000+. The people paying $3500 extra to be comfortable for those would gladly make it a shorter flight, too.Respectfully, as I like you, it sounds like you haven't been on long flights recently. 8 hour flights are pretty bad but 12-14 hour flights can be daunting.>>108644558>Also in the 60s and 70s, there was none or almost no security hassles, certainly not like today.Underrated. It's been memoryholed that this airport security theater/humiliation ritual is post-2001. And a lot of it can be skipped by paying enough.Losing supersonic commercial flight was a big regression, no way around it.
>>108644188>polluting the air i breatheoh no not the water vapor, the horror!
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>>108641549Really it just comes down to simplicity and purpose. For example with the appliances, modern fridges get significantly more cold and keep it in better than old ones. Then they add screens and ads and all kinds of arbitrary points of failure in fucking addition to the obnoxious planned obsolescence.There’s something to be said for simplicity. Some items just need to do their job and nothing else. The fridge didn’t need any improvements other than ability to get more cold and keep that cold in better. So much shit is like this.
>>108641549I think in many ways old technology was much more robust than modern tech, metal components were usually overengineered - they were thicker and heavier. In the early 2000s manufacturers started using computer modeling, computer simulations so for example when they make a door hinge in your car, they don't actually open/close the door hundreds (perhaps thousands) of times to see how it will serve you throughout its lifespan, they run a simulation that shows them how much wear 250k cycles will put on it, then they realize that a hinge of 3mm thickness is way way too much and they reduce it to 1.5mm which just about does it. It saves material, saves weight, saves cost. Look at that, good job, Mr Engineer! In reality, one day the driver opens the car door and a gust of wind forces that door to open all the way and because of inertia the hinge deforms and now the door doesn't close properly, you lose a bit of noise isolation, also it causes a small gap to appear when you close the door which you don't notice where all kinds of dust, dirt and water can get and cause rust, mold and all kinds of crap.This is just one example how a simple thing that used to be quite tough because a person actually looked at it, experimented with it, physically touched it, now has been reduced in quality because it basically goes from the computer straight to the finished product and we're just holding out fingers-crossed that it's good enough.
>>108644188this kind of thinly-veiled hinduphobia should not be tolerated on blue boards
Cast iron trannies are so obnoxious.
>>108644445the people with extremely similar genes to me were just fine, so i would be fine toobut you are free to experiment on yourself if you want, dumbass
>>108645066very well-said
>>108644476Nigger open a window. Do you bring a fuckin gas mask with you when you go to pump petrol? Cause you're getting a hell of a lot more toxic fumes in your lungs at the station than whenever you cook.
>>108643572The only people against per-thread IDs are those who would get exposed by them as samefagging and shitposting relentlessly to sow chaos.>b-but you vs me arguing Fake issue. The site is full of people who assign identities and entire life stories to anyone whose post they disagree with or feel like starting a shitfit over as it is, right now. It's the entire reason the "poopdick schizo" syndrome was named. Having IDs will not cause that or affect that at all. It will only make it obvious when a handful of dedicated shitposters and spammers are fucking up a thread.Incredibly curious as to why that would ever be campaigned against.
>>108644483this is the mentality that makes everything shit
>>108644672>It's been memoryholed that this airport security theater/humiliation ritual is post-2001.the only people who don't know this were just too young or poor to remember what airports used to be like. normies know it's a farce on some level, but they're fucking retarded so the placebo effect of security theater makes them feel better anyway.at this point the glowies don't even need the TSA, it's only kept around as a jobs program for invalids and shaniquas
>>108646713>The only people against per-thread IDs are those who would get exposed by them as samefagging and shitposting relentlessly to sow chaos.strawman>The site is full of people who assign identities and entire life stories to anyone whose post they disagree with or feel like starting a shitfit over as it is, right now.strawman>It will only make it obvious when a handful of dedicated shitposters and spammers are fucking up a thread.they will find ways around IDs, and will use IDs as "proof" they're not samefagging, which will only lead to people ignoring IDs and throwing random samefag accusations anyway -similar to how people tend to claim screenshots of (You)'s are edited>Incredibly curious as to why that would ever be campaigned against.making a post opposing a retarded idea when it's been brought up once isn't "campaigning"as for reasons, feel free to actually read the post you replied to
>>108646975>retarded ideaAnd yet it works on every site and board that uses it, and infamously outed one of the samefagging spammers that shits up a major board here when everyone was bunkerfagging elsewhere a year ago. Good work self-reporting I guess.
>>108641549Modern history can be summed up as taking things that work and replacing them with things that sound like a good idea.
>>108643842I have solar panels and a battery, I will survive.>>108643669Sounds a bit like an american problems.But I feel you anon. Nothing should be getting worse.
>>108642748They look dated, that gives me the ick
>>108643283Corningware is a product that never got replaced, Real Corningware was made to go from the freezer right onto a gas stove and not break. The ceramic material was so strong that it was used for missle nosecones. Eventually everybody had some and a lot of our grandparents still have those dishes with the little blue flower. They're just really hard to break. Around 2000 sales slowed down and Corning sold the brand's name to a crappy company that made copies of the dishes made of standard stoneware to solve the 'problem' of the dishes never breaking.
>>108646713>samefagging and shitposting relentlessly to sow chaosWhere did this infantile brand of newfaggotry come from? Samefagging is only a problem if used for stealth advertising and IDs are not effective in stopping it. If you have never posted- rabid niggerhate- altruistic advice giving- cummie wummie UwU herpes herpesor similar all in the same thread, YOU ARE AN NPC. Those posts should not be connected by an ID.
>>108643413We need more people to die in car accidents, imagine if half of todays boomers died in an accident 20 years ago
>>108643486>At least that way we can let the stupid kill themselves off.not how it works. the stupid people get drunk, t bone your kid who was driving to college, get "deported," and are back driving on your streets in a month
>>108643488>Tell me the last product you replaced because it looked old.my wife!ba dum tiss
>>108643833>>108644021If you ever ate food someone else prepared, you probably ingested some of their bodily fluids at a molecular level, especially if they didnt wash their hands or wear gloves. Therefore you should just start working at glory holes, its literally the same thing.
>>108644600>Older washing machines and plumbing systems were much better.I think theres a sweet spot. Maybe youre too young to remember when you couldnt flush the toilet when someone was in the shower. And Im too young to remember but heard stories from elders about eels coming out the kitchen sink and rats coming out the toilet.
>>108645066>blames computers for the decisions of greedy businessmenhammers are evil because you can kill someone with one.
>>108644600Speed Queen TC5 is based. It has a lame "eco" setting to make it legal but on the other settings it works just like washers from 50 years ago.
