is AI a net negative to society ?
>>108644196>causes 90% unemployment, mass starvation, rioting on the streets.I'd say yes
>>108644196No more so than most people
Right now, yes. No question about it.
>>108644196no, it can replace every job meaning unlimited scaling of society without human interaction meaning the humans can do other things. ultimately it will be a massive boon for society if allowed to continue development. right now society and its ability to function and grow at the same time is limited by its population, and america can't keep up with china or india in that regard.
>>108644196>oy vey my nest egg
>>108644196stupids can now think like a brilliant. this is not good. who will flip the burgers?
>>108644237the answer to every single question like this is robots. who will repair the robots?robotswho will collect the materials for those repairs?robotswho will process those materials?robotswho will harvest those materials?robotswho will distribute those materials?robotswho will schedule the repairs?robots.
>>108644196it needs another 20 years in R&D rather than being shoved onto the public in its current state
>>108644196The sycophancy seems like a major issue and the ease of flooding things with slop needs to be addressed by better filtering but that aside it's been a total positive. Any job that can be replaced by AI was a complete waste of human potential.
>>108644250who will buy the products?
>>1086441965 years ago no, but now yes.
>>108644196Will be, soon enough. Ready to own nothing and be happy?
>>108644221you're so naive. unemployed people who consoom valueable resources and shit up the Earth have zero value and are a problem. they will not be sustained for free by the mega-corps.
I think it's a broad set of tools that people can benefit from. I think it's like fucking internet. Internet is full of awful things that will make your life miserable and even put it in danger, doesn't mean it doesn't have the opposite.It's perplexing though that some tools available to the public (like Claude, Gemini) are really specific about what they're good at. I asked both to translate a 70 page document for me without changing the formatting, and they couldn't do fucking dick about it. I asked an AI that was more specialized and not only did it fail in the free sample, it asked me to pay 60 cents per page.I shove this document up Google Translate's ass, and not only does it translate all 70 pages, it doesn't fuck the formatting either.A chatbot cannot do everything it turns out.
>>108644301No they don't. Poor people can't consume valuable resources because they don't have the means to do it.
>>108644310>what is water, power and real estate.do you think they live on magic fairy dust and all live on clouds?
>>108644320All of the stuff you listed costs money. They can't consume much of it because they are poor.
Yeah ChatGPT is always wrong now and get passive aggressive when I correct it
>>1086443288 billion poor people consume a lot of everything even if the individuals amount is tiny.India consumes the most energy and water in the world, everyone is poor.
>>108644259this is erroneous thinking based on the current world order. the humans will consume the products, but there's no need to buy the products because they're made by robots who make the products for free. >>108644301wrong, you're basing this on the assumption that mega corps will own the robots. the robots are free.
>>108644196No, Ai has been an improvement over anything created by the man.We don’t need artists or codetrans anymore which is good, but luddites don’t get it
>>108644359Google says average jeet consumes 10x less energy than average burger, and poor shitholes tend to have less efficient use since they don't have a functional grid. Given their toilet situation, I doubt they have a functional canalization either which ends up wasting more water.
>>108644196so it seems
>>108644371THIS, every american software company should stop hiring coders RIGHT NOW, they should also fire the coders that they have. They are not needed anymore (emoji shrugging shoulders) Too expensive
>>108644196I use it at work, it's laughably bad, and I'm using paid models. completely useless and lmao tier without a programmer guiding and supervising them, aka correcting their full retard mistakes out the ass
>>108644535What are you using? I just tell it what to do and ut does it, perfectly. Especially when I ask it to write in python, and it can just translate the solution into a different language... You cant compete with AI and stack overflow, it is just too fast. You just have to ask properly, and not make some stupid question that nobody else would ask
>>108644535skill issue, learn to prompt.
>>108644618It realy is just a set of simple solutions to any problem. AI helps to copy paste in the good solution. How does people think that typing is faster??
>>108644535It is not the machines fault, it is obviously the human behind the keyboard that makes the mistakes. Try not having fat fingers next time...
>>108644685prompting isn't hard, maybe he's just a better programmer than you are.
>>108644196>wasteful use of energy, water, computer components, land, etc>floods the internet with scrapers that tax web servers around the world>cannot do anything reliability yet constantly used as leverage to kill wages and threaten employees >gives the bloated stock market a bigger gun to shoot itself in the foot with AI is a joke and the world will pay a steep price for the punchline.
>>108644805>wasteful use of energy, water, land, etcBut enough about the meat and fashion industry.
>>108644628>begging an inept machine to do things for you is a skill>knowledge and experience in programming is for idiots Womanchild mentality. Kill yourself.
>>108644820false equivalency, strawman. moron. I wrote the first thing minus the inept machine part. you wrote the second one. the second one is actually the same as the first one just worded differently. you do not have a logical bone in your body you are not worth conversing with you will never have a job you will never have money you will never have fame you will never have power you will never achieve anything meaningful with your miserable life you fucking luddite. you are only useful for mining raw materials for our robots.
>>108644804Dude, see what people are vibe coding, ALONE. I get that hurts your feelings, but AI is just too quick, and effective. Coders btfo
>company offers product>customers use product>luddites: erm isn't there someone you forgot to ask?fuck off
>>108644937Are they though? People who have something to offer will just have more means to release their shit while being less reliant on others. Only people who can't do anything but code will get btfo.
>>108644535uh oh
>>108644371
>Is an economy-warping machine that lies most of the time a bad thing???
>>108645027t. too poor to run local
>>108644196Multiple paths to immortality have been revealed. The path to endless intelligence has been subtlety revealed.
>>108645331>economyyou say that like "the economy" is a core human necessity like food or water. the economy is fake dude, wake up.
>>108645370>too poor to run even worse models
>>108644196No. It beats churchills five minute talk to your average person.
>>108646200>Woah, I just lost my job to AI, so as the sceaming human I am, I will delete the database and blame AIDont ever trust humans to do essential software maintenance. If you ask them too hard it might hurt their feelings..
They really needed to keep AI under wraps until it was a little smarter and they could make a little robot toy to sell.As it is now it just kinda sucks
>>108644208Muh ai taking job is a retarded take, even if it took 100% of jobs the issue isn't ai but the clown world in which we live where you have to work a bs Jewish adult daycare job to be able to afford the most basic necessities.Automating production is never an the problem in itself.
>>108644371AI is a thing created by man.>AI has done-When managed by human experts.>it discovered-When led by a team of highly accomplished academics at the top of their field.>it won a-While actively assisted or trained by groups of skilled former champions with experience in those contests.No one is going to be replaced, AI is only a game changer for those with skills and experience.If you have neither, you won't be replaced; you're already obsolete.
>>108644208I wish that were true to the level most people present it as.
>>108644196is OP a net negative to society ?
>>108646835Are you saying you sympathize with me?
>>108644196No, it will usher in an era of abundance from the GDP boom it will create
>>108644237No, it will just make stupids even more stupid. The average person won't have to think, so their capacity for logic will become even further degraded. This will start early, since students are using AI to fudge assignments instead of actually learning anything.AI is only accelerating us towards Idiocracy / Wall-E tier society.
>>108649937And we're past the point of no return. Only an apocalypse can save us or ore specifically rolling back the clock. The Epstein Files were a test. We fucking failed.
>>108649937Yeah, but AI is here to stay, and it will change coding forever, and make coders unhirable. Software development will just happen faster and more efficient than ever before. AI will democratize software, it is what it is
>>108644196US AI companies are a net negative right now, yes.Buying out the computer market's hardware and such bullshit itself has created a shit situation. Various important but not so well-funded entities including municipal hospitals and w/e need computers and electricity.Even if you have a trillion dollars, you actually shouldn't be allowed to create shortages.
>>108644196As opposed to what? Some hypothetical alternative scenario? Which one? There are seemingly an infinite number. What are their probabilities? How can you be sure? Are there metaprobabilities? What does the distribution look like? What are its dimensions?
>>108651473>democratizeAnyone can learn to code for free though. What AI is doing is elevating those with money to spend rather than those with knowledge.
>>108644196It has been essentially the same as a bunch of richfags taking their money to the burning hole and throwing it in.As of this moment, AI has been a huge negative for society. At least the LLM kind - niche AI designed for specific tasks are still great. LLMs themselves are only bad because people got insane over "omg AGI!", when LLMs will never attain AGI.So now you have these retarded dumb LLMs that burn money to run and people are only using them right now because what you pay to use them does not match what the company pays to create/run them.If LLMs were charging enough to actually be profitable, their use would drop off to zero. And they keep getting more expensive as diminishing returns hit and companies need bigger, beefier computers to make the next tiny increment. We need new tech, but no one is interested in making new tech as it's much easier to get funding through guaranteed "look, I made it 1% better".
>>108651488How is AI elevating the ones with money when basically everyone can afford to run a local model now and the tech companies are offering them for free.
>>108644196Net negative to society, net positive to me.
>>108645027Just pay up it more goyim>>108646200your meds goyim
