They already do and Linux is getting worse and worse because of it.
Retarded linux advocates ruined their own hobby.

>>108646473
Why don't you ask your mother?

>>108646473
Normies are cattle. They will switch when their friends all switch. I will, one of these days, have my mom come up to me and ask how she can install linux on her computer, because she heard about it from somebody and wants to join in. If there is an instant where linux switches from harder to easier than windows for the average normie, they will not immediately thereafter switch en masse; there will be a delay of at least ten years as the news percolates through the normie sphere. I posit that that moment is already behind us.

>>108646473
Switch to a fully CLI environment? Why should they want to do that when Linux has GUI desktop environments?

>>108646473
Linux gets updates as well. I don't understand this tard picture for super gay babies.

>>108646555
Linux updates:
- happen in the background while you use your programs
- only happen when you request them, not on their own
- do not force you to restart your computer immediately, rather you can finish your work and restart at your leisure

>>108646502
I have been using Linux for 20 years and it's better now than it has ever been. More users has helped Linux a lot, only a retard would think otherwise.

>>108646473
I cant play league of legends with egirls on linux

>>108646473
To be fair windows CLI has gotten better. Powershell is not too bad really.

>>108646473
I so used to be bottom pic.
Have so been person in top pic.
3rd oldest, grumpiest stage - just turn off all updates.

>>108646502
How is it getting worse?

>>108646588
So you have to keep track of when to update, and windows updates do all of the above.

>>108646473
hello autism.
people want to buy a computer, turn it on and use it, not have to spend the next 3 days getting it working

>itt normies believe they are not fucking cattle just for using troonix

>>108646665
>you have to keep track of when to update
update whenever you feel like it
>and windows updates do all of the above
lulz

>>108646473
I switched my girlfriend to mint after she complained about windows. literally 0 mint complaints. she just watches social media anyway.
>>108646643
>I cant play league of legends with egirls on linux
you have no idea how hard this hits. this is the only game I actually miss. fuck dota.

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>>108646473
>so Son, you want me to remove Windows and install this different Windows that does the same thing? why?

>>108646473
because desktop linux is extremely unreliable, essentially an afterthought tacked on top of what linux was intended for

windows is built from the ground up as a consumer desktop os

i like linux but as a desktop experience windows is much more comfy

>>108646664
>How is it getting worse?
Flatpaks, appimages & snaps

>>108646892
That's the userspace.
But the kernelspace is getting worse now too. Or rather, it's always been shit, but these days the previous shit is actively getting harmful.

As a not-aside, why is it that people always confuse Linux with its userspace bullshit, when the kernelspace has so much more to complain about?

>>108646473
>switch
I have switched to Linux it's a massive shitshow.
I will be here for another few days till I switch back to Windows.

>switch to loonix because of this miniscule inconvenience that doesn't even exist in the first place
No one is going to use your crappy "os" freetards

>miniscule
OK, Jeet.

>>108647007
>I'm gonna call him jeet that will show him
Pathetic freetard

>he thinks there's nothing wrong with "miniscule"

>>108646892
there's nothing wrong with flatpaks and appimages, you can completely avoid it and if you're on a semi competent distro the maintainers will give you native versions
snaps aren't caused by influx of users

>>108646473
The implicit contract is normies do what they're told, and in return they are entitled to endlessly bitch about everything. They have not been told to use Linux, so they won't. Doing something you're not told to do is scary, can't have that either.

The real redpill is normies don't mind being forced off a Zoom "meeting" because their organization's "security policy" required a Dell BIOS update for their 9 year old laptop out of the blue.
in fact, it's a win-win-win because they'll have more personal "content" they can be dramatic about, and they also now have license to be salty with corporate IT droids for about three weeks until everyone forgets.

>>108646473
>updates, windows
):<
>updates, linux
O:

>>108647137
>computer shutting off by itself, updating when you have work to do
):<
>you type sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade when you have the time to do so
O:

>>108646502
Happens eventually with most hobbies that are even remotely normalfag friendly.

>powerless seething about """""normalfags""""" ITT
Why we don't encourage autists to just kill themselves as a society will never make sense to me.

Because Linux actually just mostly fucking sucks ass

>>108647152
>>computer shutting off by itself, updating when you have work to do
literally never happened to me
maybe stop using Home editions of Windows

>>you type sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade when you have the time to do so
yeah well on linux there's no software to do work with so you have all the time in the world to update
not like you can even do anything other than just run update commands

>>108646892
That actually makes it easier for users and developers to manage packages without having to worry about distro-package compatibility.

>>108646473
Its funny how they make fun of Windiws when MacOS updates are 10x slower

>>108646892
>Flatpaks, appimages & snaps

Does that not make Linux better for everyone?

Before Flatpaks and Appimages, you had to hope the devs packaged for your distro or your day would have gotten harder. If you were on a Debian system and the developer only packaged for RPM or you were on a RedHat-based system and the developer only packaged for DEB, or you were on some obscure distro that didn't use either, you were in for some frustration.

Now you can use Flatpak on distros like Slackware and everything should be compatible without having to worry about the packaging stuff.

>>108646699
Exactly. If you're using Linux as a desktop OS you might as well eat soup with a fork.

>>108647380
You make that sound as if it doesn't work. Which it does. Wonderfully, even.

>>108646589
same
no other comments ITT are worth responding to

>>108647334
"I can be so much lazier when I don't give a fuck about the OS or it's users, guys!"

>>108646664
trannies

>>108647358
Stop taking up space on my computer.

>>108646473
guy in the picture didnt even update anything though.

>>108647085
>>108647334
>>108647354
>>108647358
Yes, they are a fundamentally problematic, to many options and the sandboxing fucking sucks for normal users, this is a very complex way of solving an issue while creating more issues which could be solved with tarballs and a package manager for it and better development practices.

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You faggots are never happy with anything. Nothing's ever good enough for you. Always changing the goalposts like a windsock.
This is why we can't have nice things.

>>108646473
Because linux is such a massive 30 year fuckup that it never became as intuitive as windows fucking 95...
Digest that for a moment. For 30 years people have used windows despite hating the direction it was going and the linux community still lost. Absolutely abhorrent performance, nasty.

Scrap the idea of linux. Someone make a fucking windows clone, fire the react os cucks, those fucking cowards.

>>108647649
>Always changing the goalposts
No it's not, people just have different goalposts.
>>>/g/ is not one person.

>>108647668
>fire the react os cucks
You can always just fork the codebase.

I'm not a heavy linux user and would put linux on an older relative or younger relatives computer for just browsing and stuff. But even I find it lunacy when trying to do anything complicated. Browsing/browser based games... fine, emails fine... anything else and you filter out normies.

>>108647231
>literally never happened to me

Me neither. I hear this all the time. I was even using Home until 10 had it's security cut off and now I'm on 10 iot enterprise ltsc.
Windows always asks me to either schedule an update or updates when I shut down or restart. So all these people complaining their computer just shut down and started updating? That's just boomer tier gobbledygook to me. It simply never happened. The same way their password never magically changed itself for the 10th time.

>>108646664
he's gonna complain about all the tardwrangling and forced standardization that freedesktop has done over the last 20 years to have any semblance of intercompatibility amongst desktop environments and file browsers with things like XDG, dbus, pulseaudio, .desktop files acting like window shortcuts, .thumbnailer files to finally solve the issue of thumbnails in the file picker, etc etc.

awesome save a pic as .avif is still jpeg with .avif filename and only online pictureboard that supports .avif cannot show pic

>>108646473
switch to what??
do you think that normies know anything???

my brother in †™,
normies eat literally plastic food,
they bathe themselves with forever chemicals,
they sit on a couch all day long watching brain-rotting goyslop tv,
they are fat,
take a handful of meds every day,
they doomscroll on tiktok and instagram for hours,
they produce nothing of value, have no creativity.


and then you ask...

>Why do le normies not use Linux?

I get it, I am on arch and only arch since 2018,
but I am not crazy, thinking that normies can just change like that.

normies are normies,
they will always be normies,

so who fucking cares, fuck them, fuck them all

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>>108648387
whats he even complaining about
you could have at least put some dpkg has held broken packages but XXXXX is not going to be installed bs, 2/10 try harder

>>108646473
that is a very weird kippah

>>108648387
geg

>>108646473
mental retardation
>seeing bar move slowly with no description and fail for no discernable reason in windows is good!
>seeing bar fail for a clearly defined reason in the terminal (which you don't need to even look at during updates in almost every distro) is bad!
There is nothing more frustrating than simply not being told what the error you're having is, and every windows error/problem just spits out a random code that can mean 50 different things that also just leads to microsoft AI forum responses that don't solve the problem when you google it. Meanwhile Linux terminal outputs basically just fucking tell you (or an AI model) exactly what the issue is and most times how to fix it too. ANY opposition to clear and concise worded error outputs should be met with ridicule.

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>>108648387
fucking lol

>>108648387
I don't get it

>>108646892
Luv me appimages. Would luv flatpaks if they didn't take up so much extra space.

>>108647737
>anything complicated
Like what?

>>108647649
I love how absolutely out of depth you are.

>>108646588
>>108646665
You forgot linux updates being near instant and it won't take extra time for your PC to shut down or reboot.
"muh please before turning off / for your PC to start" is exclusively a Windows thing and the reason is that this shitty OS doesn't allow removing or replacing a file that's open by another process.

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>>108647747
>and now I'm on 10 iot enterprise ltsc.
shhhh. we gate keeping anon. ltsc is a good thing let's not ruin it.

People are just scared of change, like little baby ducks they just follow what they know.

Everytime I use Windows its like 10x worse than it was the last time I used it, I setup my rog ally and it was a complete nightmare it had to reboot like 5 times and the entire screen and taskbar was filled with bloatware and the browser immedietly shows you ads. Idk how Windows users put up with it, debloating is also a timesink and the next time you update you get more random bloat again

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>boot up windows on a laptop after a couple of months (never really used it on this device)
>vendor software attempts to auto update all the drivers for some reason
>windorks update also attempts to auto update fucking everything
>check the windows update control panel
>I'm reminded that microshit doesn't even let you disable them unless you pay extra, do a bunch of gymnastics or pirate their garbage
>open browser
>it's auto updating as well
>all at once
>check the resources manager
>ms edge is also auto updating
>attempt to power off my device
>it refuses to do that until the updates are done because fuck you
I did not miss windows

>>108646473
please get these painful ai slop tiktok comment images out of my face

The normies should stay contained in their cattle pens as long as possible it's better that way, furthermore there's probably no point in the enshittification process where even 20% of normies will ditch microsoft or apple

>>108646892
No one is forcing you to use Flatpaks, appimages, and snaps. I don't use them.

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>>108646473
Why do Linuxfags care so much about what OS people use all the time?

Reminder that any OS that takes longer than three seconds to boot is already broken by design.

Yes, that includes NT and Linux.

>>108648642
Its a very subtle joke..Sneed.

I'm using all the big three, linux, macOS and Windows.
Most people don't love OSes, hell, they don't love computers. They need to get some work done and that's it. Or they want some entertainment and that's about it. So a time investment that means "you have to learn how to use this OS again" is already a filter for a lot of people. That is without getting into the details of compatibility or performance or stability or anything like that. You can remove Linux out of the equation, get Windows veteran users to try macOS or viceversa, they'll waste a lot of time trying to adapt.
So now give them linux which is not polished, not commercial, nobody gets paid to get your hardware to "just work" to its full capacity. All you get is a bunch of open source alternatives that don't work the same or have a clunky UI with everything in a different place than what you're accustomed to. You gotta use your brain a lot more with commands instead of buttons you click on, scripts instead of graphical tools. That throws off a lot of people. What /g/ fails to understand is that not everyone is or wants to become a programmer or a coder ever in their miserable lives.

>>108649121
I love how absolutely deluded you are. Must be a arch fan.

>>108650356
I have a mac mini and macOS boots in 9 seconds so it's also broken

>>108651196
Bang on

>>108651206
So not only retarded, but also autistic? What a shocker.

>>108651196
And with the internet nowadays, you can't blame people for stepping away.

>>108651248
So the only thing you have to bring to the table is retarded ad hominems from 2008. I accept your concession. Lurk moar faggot.

>>108651256
Seethe more, autist.

>>108648387
Perfect

>>108649052
Music, design, audio, video etc.

>>108647407
Well, maybe a fork was too extreme. Maybe a spoon with holes that you have to patch up all the time is more appropriate.

>>108646473
games

>>108646473
The simple fact that you have to go and remove your Windows and install Linux makes it absolutely impossible for all normies, and even most people who would be able to do it still wouldn't bother out of laziness.

>>108652782
So you don't mean "complicated" in the sense of actually using the OS. You just mean there arw specific apps that you want to use that aren't supported on Linux.

>>108646502
Linux was ruined long before it was infested by normies. It started with the great fracturing, when gnome3 shattered the unity of the linux desktop forever, then it was further sabotaged by Wayland.

>>108647209
Because autists make all the technological innovations.

>>108651196
>You gotta use your brain a lot more with commands instead of buttons you click on
the term of art is that linux in general and the shell in particular have completely garbage discoverability. if you don't know the feature exists in the first place you can't find out about it.

making it sound like a user error is very unfair to the user and much, much too forgiving towards the designer

>>108655230
Lol, lmao.
Autists have been doing nothing but copying the same UNIX shit for the last fifty years. Their ABIs and APIs are shit, their compilers produce garbage, and yet no one demands that all autists should be put in cages where they belong so that they can no longer harm actual human beings.

>>108655270
Typical 4chan shit, take a reasonable point and turn it into a retarded one by exaggerating. Discovering takes a little more effort, and you have to start by learning some basic commands and concepts (instead of just banging your forehead on the keyboard to get the main menu to come up). But once you get going it's not too hard to discover things. Grepping /etc and home is certainly more productive on average than searching the registry.

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Can some explain why i dont have any problems with windows 11 and everything updates and runs perfectly. Am i doing something wrong?

>>108658849
you don't know what you could have. you are sweet summer child. stay like that

>>108650224
>>108647358
>>108647334
No OnE iS FoRcEiNg YoU To BlAh BlAh
as FAS becomes more and more common everything is now FAS, it's fucking annoying when I want to install something with my god damn package manager or something and the only viable option now is a fucking FAS, so miss me with that no one is making you do blurdy blur blur
you stupid fucks
it's just like how fucking systemD is in fucking everything now so if you don't want it you have to choose a less supported OS which is such bullshit because you have to make your own fucking life worse in order to avoid this ubiquitous bullshit

>>108658849
you post reaction image gifs of niggers, you are the ideal mindbroken nigger cattle so don't hurt yourself thinking just keep doing what you're doing

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>>108646473
better compatability with the software i run and I'll switch, heres what I want:
>Windows 95 2000 xp style baby duck like ui trim. no flatshit glike gnigger and kde or whatever.
>better compatability than windows 11 with the following softwares: old or retro japanese executables and games, tools, and liteware
>a text editor as good as editpadlite (dont say there is one unless you actually use this one)
>as good a search engine as everything.exe (dont say there is one unless you actually use this
>integration of that search engine into the start menu

until you can do all this I will NEVER use linux. instead of desperately trying to fix this, soon every linux distro will have to have telemetry bloat removed like windows. what a joke OS

>>108658849
you're black

>>108646473
>Why don't normies switch?
Most of them grew up with windows, years of total market dominance. But earth is healing, apart from the cloud and subscriptions, windows won't be dominant in the near future.

GenZ and definitely Gen Alpha grew up with Phones, Tablets and Macs. Most of them don't even need a PC at home anymore. All the "good" slop is available on Phones. And many employers offer Macs for work now and it makes sense, a late GenZ is much more familiar with iPhones and iPads than fucking Windows, so the switch to a Macbook is easy.

Check the stats, boomer. PC's are on the decline. Android / AluminumOS and MacOS / iOS are the future and the future is now. In case you didn't notice, Windows is actually the odd one. MacOS, BSD, Android and Linux are all UNIX and/or POSIX, Windows had to implement WSL, to stay relevant for Devs. They are only still alive because of Legacy and Contracts and loved by gaymers and pcmr fags.

>Android / AluminumOS / Gnu/Linux
>iOS / MacOS / BSD
We can share shell scripts, windows could never.

>>108658849
This is my personal experience:
No BSODs
No broken updates
No ads
However, it does get sluggish, there's a lot of arbitrary slowdown shit going on, the file manager isn't great, I'll be doing some browsing and firefox lags like ass in comparison, and overall games don't run really all that much better. And updates still take a while to install, restarting is a slower process. There's little nuggets of shit accumulating on it that I just don't have to deal with on linux. And it's an experience I have on 2 completely different machines (my work laptop, and my desktop). In exchange I have to let go of some programs that I appreciate a lot for sure, but I can live without those.