>>108647055
home assistant?
you mean home kit?
with apple home kit you can control your smart home. just tap the home icon on your iphone or ipad and control the light or fixture you want.
or you can tell siri on your homepod something like "hey siri, turn on living room lights"
its never been easier to control your smart home with apple products.

>>108647080
apple home has a 2.2/5.0 on iphone app store
home assistant has 4.7/5.0 rating on iphone app store

>>108647055
From my laptop and phone.

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>>108647125
pita

>>108647055
is this what AI thought a mac looks like?

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>>108647191
real object

>>108647143
>power cut in thunderstorm
>smart home dies
oh no I can't use my woonkamer or zithoek

>>108647055
EMP, Flamethrower

>>108647213
you don't have a whole house UPS and backup propane generator?

I use my mobile telephone.

>>108647213
its shit like this and the relative complexity of the setup that makes me not like these IOT everything setups very much
>>108648409
let's be honest if you're calling things Woonkamer and Zithoek you don't have any of those either
everything in europe that isn't a bumfuck nowhere village has reliable electricity

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>>108647055
https://github.com/Mrt0t0/Minitel-HA

>>108648452
I live in hurricane country. I use a whole house UPS fed by the grid and suplimented with some solar panels to offset cost during peak heat. the genny is in standby and takes over when batteries are low.

>>108648676
>hurricane country
>europ

>>108647055
If you have any smart home devices you are a poser schizo autist

>>108647055
I threaten to use my fist, that usually works.

>>108648676
>spend money utility setup
>hurricane wrecks house
Pottery. If you really lived in a hurricane area, you would be much more concerned about reinforcing the structure of your home, rather than compensating for a few days without power.

>>108647055
my what?
I'm not a cripple, I don't need a live-in carer or home assistant

>>108649968
https://www.home-assistant.io/

I don't really understand what the point of Home Assistant is. I like a lot of things that are adjacent to it (microcontrollers, sensors, home server) but I don't know why I would want to dim my lights from my laptop or whatever.
If someone in here gets it, please explain it to me. I feel like I'm right around the corner from seeing what the point is.
>>108647213
raughed

>>108650009
i've only looked into it a bit myself, but i believe the point is more about automation than just remote control, so things like notifying you if you leave your garage door open when you leave, turning on lights on sunset, turning on fans or an ac if it gets too hot, turning things off when nobody is in the house, etc.

>>108650009
Because you're an uncreative faggot. You answered your own question, you central sensors and other info to see that info quick or act on it. I have a christmas light schedule or one for my watering system. I have these little water sensors that use 433mhz and when they detect a leak home assistant triggers a job based on the sensor either turning off my water main or turning off my washing machine if its overfilling. It alerts me too so I can go fix it. I have zigbee led lights in my shower controlled by zwave light switches. Really nice having the zen32 switch to change the color and what not. Skies the limit
>>108647143
What screen?

>>108650009
Its an opensource control system to tie all of those things together. There are commercial systems like Control4 etc but they are very expensive. With Home Assistant, you can roll your own and make it whatever you want it to be. For example, there are only a limited number of Apple Homekit devices, however many people use Home Assistant to enable nearly any device(supported by Home Assistant) to become a Homekit device.

>>108650054
>zigbee lights
>controlled by zwave switches
Be careful, you are very close to dividing by zero.

>>108650009
it exists so redditors can post their setup on reddit and get updoots

>>108650061
What kind of comment is that. Kinda retarded, honestly. Yes the lights rely on home assistant then, who cares the lights need consistent power to be able to change color and keep the health of the zigbee network. Better would be a small wled unit, taking in that 120v switch as a switch and letting the controller control the light itself so if HA is down it still functions. Maybe someday, but this setup is good enough for now.

>>108650077
settle down bro, just clowning on the zigbee/zwave debate. Its actually a really good demonstration of the the power of Home Assistant, this way you get "the right tool for the right job" without the inherent draw backs too.

>>108647211
Oh, a prop for trannies

>>108650102
Fair, I just thought the divide by zero sounded stupid.
Its still a draw back if HA fucks up and is down the shower lights stay on. I would love a wired solution but Im not tearing up my drywall again. Ideally id like the solution to be idiot proof if I ever rent out this house in the future.

>>108647080
thanks, bot.

>>108650140
Its really tough to retrofit, but Ive seen videos of systems in new build where they ran ethernet everywhere for hardwired control. Switches, blinds, audio, cameras etc. They were using the big commercial stuff like Crestron or Control4 but I would guess you could do a lot of that with Home Assistant too. If you have time, effort, and money hard wiring everything would be fucking awesome

>>108647055
I hate things like this because the reason for the nostalgia in the first place is the simplicity and "foreverness" they represented. By that I mean they would essentially *always* work exactly the same, every single time, 24/7 until the hardware itself failed (which it never did, which is why people can still use the originals) or _you_ decided to change something. Automatic updates weren't a thing, and in general, upgrades were almost always strictly better than whatever preceded them.

Things like this try to rip off the general vibe, but in a way that is the opposite of the original. Invariably it's very heavy on some specific exact python and a pile of other dependencies and unfinished vibeware.

It looks cool, because the purpose of it is to look cool. It's purpose is not to be cool, unless to you looking cool and bing cool are the same thing. Cool to me would be this thing running for ten years straight, with no updates, no restarts, no software stack, just a "perfect" small binary.

One day I hope to return to making that type of software targeted for MCUs that cost $0.30 right now. I want more conceptual clarity in my life, kind of like how when you buy quality pots, pans, and knives, you are done until you die, unless you want excitement at some point. Being able to choose what is "exciting" or not truly is the ultimate luxury.

>home assistant
I'm not a lazy, fat faggot, so I do those manually.

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>>108650210
would you still hate it if someone instead made the same thing as a native system 6/7 application running on an old mac that communicates over serial (like a little esp8266 that bridges serial over wifi)?

like what part specifically don't you like? the fact it appears like something it's not? the fact it's not what it appears like? (not the same thing), that it's doing something not contemporary to the thing it's emulating? (not accurate, home automation has been a thing for longer than you'd think, things like computer-controlled X10 go back to the '80s, even before the macintosh)

>>108650009
This but why do I need smart home to light up the bulb when someone is near? My dumb proximity sensor lights already does that. My AC unit automatically turns on and off to maintain a set temperature with dumb tech. My air fryer turns off after a set cooking period . My Rice cooker turns off automatically when its done cooking. My microwave shuts off after set period. My fridge automatically keeps food in cold temp. Security cams have auto detection and notifications.

For small stuff, it doesn't make any sense as the dumb techs already do it with zero computer involvement. But I can imagine some extremely complex stuff might require it. But I dont know what setup would be even worth it.

Give me some examples of something that can cannot be done through dumb tech. The only thing I can think of is dumb RGB lights to give accents to the room for whatever reasons people use RGB lights for.

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>>108647143
>kookei land
>eetta fel
>ke uke
>zitho ek
>woon

>>108650360
What I'm nostalgic for is a certain worldview that wanted emerging technology to behave more akin to concrete and steel vs a temporary and ever permuting scaffolding. Where the essential purpose of the technologies being developed was as reliable, not-arbritrarily-shifting building blocks with a much longer view of time, say a decade or so. In this worldview, your technological choices could be meaningfully _composed_ and the quiet background goal was to sand down life's drudgeries, and through minor efficiencies, reclaim time and the mental space for life's finer pleasures.

Recently, my normiesphere technological posture has become so thoroughly miserable that I have had to make drastic changes against my will which honestly had me seething for a while. For all personal computing I run an LTS Linux and I do not use anything that requires an account of any type except for email (which itself is used less and less). I'm reasonably happy with this for my own needs.

However, in life you do need to meet people halfway, and most are much worse hostages to society than I am. The entire world can burn and I'll go back to writing 6502 assembly on a 1MHz chip and worrying about what should be placed in the zero page. But corporate things require things like MS Teams and Zoom, Webex, healthcare shit, different types of messaging apps, etc, etc, etc.

And here we are now in 2026, a year I thought I'd never really live to see, and things are somehow much, much worse for day-to-day things than even 15 years ago. I cannot simply open my Windows 11 corporate issued laptop and jump on an important Teams meeting. I must now ensure that the system has been up and running for an hour beforehand so that any pending updates can install, which in practice requires at least one and often multiple reboots. If you do not do this, it is possible, even likely, that any hiccup whatsoever, likeTeams using 99.7% of your 32GB RAM and triggering Windows OOM...
1/

>>108651726
2/
... will cause Windows itself to become unusable or unstable, necessitating a reboot. If you have hanging updates, which may come randomly up to twice a week, you may find that your otherwise one minute reboot turns into 27 minutes of flashing your new BIOS/EFI firmware and associated Dell system firmwares as well, sometimes each with their own reboots. To always 100% avoid this, you must interrupt your day and desired way of living your short and finite life to accommodate this atrocious pile of festering jeetware because "fuck you".

Meanwhile also in the normiesphere, you have the continual and rapidly accelerating degradation of MacOS into frontend dev status symbol/boomer exec I-don't-have-to-use-my-own-IT-department/wine aunt Safari hero Fischer Price appliances. It really is no longer the convenient half-UNIX of yesteryear. Similarly enshittified are all web "experiences", which originally might have been a path to free us of much of this. You simply cannot rely on web technologies running Linux for anything but opportunistic optimizations in your life, great to haves, essentially.

Even if you were to pay Microsoft for whatever they're now calling their Javascript web-based MS Office, you cannot generate Powepoints, for example, that use expensively developed corporate branding approved templates that contain things like proprietary custom font embedding. Your slides will look different and you will look stupid. You must use $CURRENT_MONTH Powerpoint on Windows 11 or you are up shit creek.

All other web stuff is the same. If you update your Chrome flatpak or snap, will screen sharing work on a call with whatever dinosaur vendor is still using RingCemtral? Good fucking luck with that. Don't even get me started with HR/SaaS/corpo shitware SSO SAML ActiveDirectory integrations that are "best experienced" in MS Edge and reluctantly Safari (see boomer exec above).

>>108651833
3/
To reclaim some semblance of sanity, I have had to spend about $1300 on a new iPad with keyboard, solely because I think it's my best bet to ride through the next 5 years with the least amount of suffering. It's literally a festering normie containment zone that is currently socially approved to be seen in public with. And what an absolute clusterfuck that thing is. I hate it. It just sits there, continually updating, restarting multiple times per week, all of the apps continually mutating and fucking around with their UX or ways to spy on you. Literally the whole thing just sits there waiting to spy on me and log how many times I say "nigger" or whatever.

So, I have fought off the forces of Moloch to a standstill. I spend two hours per week babysitting my corporate Windows 11 laptop and my iPad manages to do all updating and restarting by itself. If I need to WhatsApp that one annoying friend I can, or if I need Telehealth I can, or if I need to make Powepoints and share them on Teams I can.

Every single day that elapses, my currently functioning setup is pushed closer and closer to obsolescence against my expressed will. It's likely Windows 12 will require a NPU or new TPM module. Thankfully we're in a memory crisis right now and Apple just released new 8GB platforms, so maybe now iPadOS 38 won't require 128MB of DDR6 and there's more time there. Every single time I use the iPad, something shifts under me in an app update. At one point in Zoom they reordered shit under the "..." button. What the fuck. Also, wow, great guys I can't fucking author a text file without Internet or it's captured in some proprietary Notes app dungeon who knows where. It blows my mind that there exist people who are happy with this situation.

>>108651941
ok i did end up reading it.
i'm not sure how you believe system 6/7 is a static/unmoving target. both the software and hardware was being upgraded regularly even back then.

as for the current situation, i largely only use linux and foss applications. thankfully i don't have a job that requires i fuck with windows/msoffice/teams/ipads/etc. never used an ipad and last time i used macos was literally 10.6.x, i don't know what the current version is

>>108651941
4/
So enough about that and back to my point. At one point in time, there were people working on trying to build things that saved time, that could be relied on, that could be used as building blocks toward a future that included more leisure. More determinism, more freedom.

This scammy, spying, ego-driven jeet and chinkpocalypse AI dystopian hellhole is not what I signed up for. And honestly, I live my best possible life in this reality I've been given and I try to shape in the best possible direction where I can.

When I see neo-retro stuff it sometimes pisses me off because many of us that were working on it were honestly trying to build better lives for us all. Same thing for building out the Internet.

Much, but not all, neo-retro stuff is really tranny technology. It's cutting its dick off and wearing a dress, but it will never be anything but rickety python atop a massive and ever-growing pile of rickety shit that will collapse at any moment randomly. It is not there to radically simplify, it's almost a digital Veblen good, a flex to get a certain vibe."Look at me and what I can do!"

And there is a certain place for that, to be sure. Maybe I'm just still assblasted that the world I loved is gone forever, is never coming back, and the sense of optimism I had for humanity as a whole is gone too. It could have been so much different and sometimes I don't enjoy being reminded of that, I guess.
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>>108650009
automation. not "smart home" iotslop, actual automation.

>>108652050
if anything home assistant is an example of what you're talking about. ignoring the faux macintosh thing pictured in op since i don't know what that is and it's certainly not anything that ships with home assistant.
if you ever felt the desire to do some home automation stuff then home assistant is the most capable out of the foss/self-hosted options. certainly a better option than things like google nest/amazon alexa/tuya/apple homekit/etc. this is something you can throw in a VM or rpi or whatever and run entirely offline. only change or update it at your leisure.
people also make third party foss firmwares for many IoT devices, like i have a bunch of chink wall plugs which can monitor power flow and be remotely controlled which are intended to be connected to the chinese tuya "cloud" service, but instead i installed tasmota on them, a foss firmware for such devices, which can just talk to my home assistant server and it can all work entirely offline.

>>108652137
>i don't know what that is
https://github.com/likeablob/cydintosh

>>108652196
that's actually really sick that they bothered to actually emulate a mac rather than just making a look-alike gui.
i'm not an apple fan, but i do respect the effort

>>108652319
yeah and you can make actual system6 applications if you're so autistically inclined using Retro68

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>>108652370
that's pretty cool. only mac i've ever personally owned was actually a 68k system

>>108650050
Those particular specific use cases aren't that interesting to me. Whenever I see people using it I end up thinking "yeah I guess, but who cares?" I haven't seen anything that really sells me on it.
>>108650055
Kind of just moves the question to "what is the point of Control4/HomeKit?" I do appreciate that it is a better option than both of those though, definitely.
>>108650065
It does feel like something people do just because it's perceived as a "must have", and they never really ask themselves whether they need something to flick a light switch on for them. It's like a PiHole.
>>108650495
DumbChad.
>>108652078
Sounds good. Like what?

>>108652494
>plants dry. enable watering for x time
>TV turned on, brightness level > x, close blinds
>leaving home, turn off everything in case i forgot something
something super simple i did was link up two unconnected light switches so they act as a two-way light switch circuit without having to spend 100s/1000s on a contractor.
if you don't need/want to do home automation, you're simply not the target audience for home automation, which is fine

>>108652544
I think I might just find this stuff low priority under all the other projects I'm working on.
Like plants, I'm happy just watering them myself, but I can see it would be cool and a little better to automate that, but I usually have some other project that I'm more interested in, and right now I have a lot of projects like that.
Maybe one day when I clear out my project backlog I'll give it a try. Thanks for helping me understand the point.

>>108652544
i'm also in his boat of feeling like it's the kind of thing which isn't immediately obvious what you'd use it for until you heard of some practical examples which apply to you.
i'm open to the idea, i use things today which i had previously thought "what would i use that for?".

Kodi starts playing => lights dim. That's about it in practice. If doorbell were to ring, all hell would break loose with lights and appliances toggling on and off randomly, but that rarely happens.

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>>108647055
my what?

>>108652597
>>108652640
it's just another hobby. there's no real point to it other than "it's kinda cool to do"

>>108652749
I always find that reasoning off. People say that about home servers or MCUs too, but there are plenty of useful ways you can work with those and get something that improves your life.
Outside of technology even, sewing is a hobby, but it gets you usable clothes at the end too.
Your post makes home automation sound like a pointless hobby that produces nothing, which I suspect is not true.

>>108652765
Maybe in some kind of a mansion, but coming up with sensible automations at apartment or small house level often feels quite forced, unless you then take it to absolute ridiculous extreme with the whole physical space reconfiguring itself to various scenarios via actuators or something.

>>108652852
Other anons have already given me examples that don't require a mansion-sized house to be a little helpful though.
"It's just a hobby" comes off as "I don't know why I'm doing it so please stop asking".

>>108647055
gemma 26a4b on openclaw made an mcp server that she now uses to control everything