Choose one and the other must go
>>108648814But if you choose Ubuntu, then both will go.
>>108648814
>spybuntu shits itself>mint team forced to put all their efforts on LMDEThis is a good thing, actually.
>>108648897I think it'll happen anyway now that Ubuntu 26.04 was Canonical getting closest to being the Microsoft of Linux than they have ever been, stronger minimum requirements than Windows 11.
>>108648814>>108648860I choose Debian and wipe most of the Linux desktop.
>>108649156>stronger minimum requirements than Windows 11hold up the rumours were true? how they managed to fuck it so bad.
>>108648860Mint team maintains LMDE (Debian Edition) to the same standard as the mainline Ubuntu-based version, for the exact reason that Canonical is sometimes gay as fuck and they might have to bail out of it at some point. >>108648897I agree, I don't think they're going to do it with the next version but hopefully the one after that. The writing seems to be on the wall.
>>108648814Both use systemdInto the trash they go.
>>108648814>they're the same picture
>>108649315Enlighten us, what crap are ya using?
>>108649335>inb4 systemd-less dracut
>>108649315why do you people have such an issue with systemd but no issue with the linux kernel which is probably even more corporate at this point?
>>108648814The only answer is Ubuntu. If Mint were to dissapear then anyone could make Mint again. >muh LMDEirrelevant fork when Debian itself is quite good nowadays. If anything Mint is behind both its upstreams... SOMEHOW.
>>108648814Ubuntu stays and Linux Mint goes, that was easy
>>108649165Nothing of value is lost on desktops. "Linux desktop" is primarily an Arch and Fedora space.
UbuntuI'd choose Mint with zero hesitation if the fucking luddites didn't ship Xorg in the big 26
>>108648814Keep: UbuntuKill: MintIt's not even a competition.
>>108649289It's a bs talking point for retards. Don't be a retard. Unlike Microsoft, Canonical is simply more honest about what the $currentYear hardware requirements are when it comes to modern DEs and, more importantly, browsers. Machines with 4 Gigs of RAM or less are basically e-waste in terms of desktop computing. I tried to make use of a Dell laptop with just 4 gigs of RAM. Running XFCE, it felt good at first and the desktop itself certainly was usable. But as soon as web browsing came into play, the thing shat itself and felt just awful. The moral of this story is: Web"devs", face the wall. Your "everything has to be client-side" shit ruined the internet.
>>108649315this
>>108648814Wipe away Ubuntu and Mint dies too. Good riddance I say.
>>108650951Next version of Mint comes with full Wayland support.>>108651014But that's wrong you fucking moron. If Ubuntu goes Mint just mainlines its Debian edition, which is already fully supported and effectively no different to the Ubuntu base.
>>108650969>what the $currentYear hardware requirements are when it comes to modern DEsAny "modern DE" works fine with 2GB RAM. I have a PC running Aurora (KDE) and it only consumes 1.2GB on idle. It's not that different from what KDE or GNOME were 5-6 years ago.As you've said, the bigger problem are the browsers. And the fact that a ton of software is running on Electron instead of at least using Tauri. As soon as you open a web browser, Discord and Steam you'll get a 2.5GB spike in memory usage, plus another 500MB in video memory usage. So people who run integrated graphics need at least 6GB of memory for a smooth desktop experience.
Mint obviously who like Ubuntu?
>>108651137And mint 200mb
>>108650969you need zram/zswap
>>108650969>Machines with 4 gigs of ram or less are basically e-wasteBut this is false, you can have a distro with tons of optional shit installed and still only get to 1gb or less idle, and for all the jokes about browser tabs taking up too much space a youtube video playing is not 3gb+.Even on my main linux mint machine here with full fat cinnamon (an easy but resource heavy DE) and no regard to what I'm running I'm only taking up 4gb with youtube open. My laptop with cachyOS running XFCE takes under 1gb idle. You're wrong anon, I'm sorry to say.
>>108648814mint can go. cinnamon is nice but i wish they spent their energy on mate
>>108651267>Mint>200MBWhat fantasy land did you come from?>>108651295>My laptop with cachyOS running XFCE takes under 1gb idle.Your idle memory usage depends on your max RAM and your screen resolution. The more RAM you have the more a modern OS will try to reserve it for cache. The larger resolution your display is the more memory is required to load in all the screen elements, your wallpaper, etc.It also depends on if CachyOS uses zram by default, which I'd assume it does.
>>108651137I consider the "on idle" thing a meme. It's not a good metric.> As you've said, the bigger problem are the browsers. And the fact that a ton of software is running on Electron instead of at least using Tauri. As soon as you open a web browser, Discord and Steam you'll get a 2.5GB spike in memory usage, plus another 500MB in video memory usage. So people who run integrated graphics need at least 6GB of memory for a smooth desktop experience.Exactly. That's the point. If you want to use your computer for normie stuff, 4 Gigs of RAM is simply insufficient, especially with a laptop with integrated graphics/shared memory. Because everything is webshit.I'm not saying "You can't do shit with 4GB of RAM". I certainly can run my Dell junker of a laptop as a home server and it's actually a nice, energy efficient alternative to a Raspberry Pi 4. However, as a desktop, even with XFCE, it failed for me. It was just a subpar experience all around. Knowing this, I won't sperg out at Canonical for simply providing more realistic targets than Microsoft.
>>108651439Arch does fine with 4GB, with mint i was running out
>>108651439>I'm not saying "You can't do shit with 4GB of RAM"Yeah, I know. I have 2 gaming handhelds both running 2025 distro builds and one of them only has 1GB RAM and is capable of smooth multiplayer PS1 and N64 emulation while running a music player in the background and while connected to an external display.But a dedicated desktop would be unusable unless I make many concessions in which software I use. Like sure, I could run something like openbox, icewm, dwm, etc. but I'd want all the features KDE has anyway. And even Xfce would be too heavy. And sure, I could use some lightweight web browser which doesn't have JS support or modern CSS support, but that would just make most websites I visit unusable.>>108651463You're missing the point. With 4GB RAM you're making a ton of concessions an average normie would not want to make. An average person would have their system constantly swap memory because of the software they use. Even if your distro idles at 0KB of memory with the DE included, as long as you try to multi task (have a web browser, file manager and a document editor open) you'll hit 4GB usage.OnlyOffice + Brave/Chrome with a handful of tabs is already 3GB of memory (not counting GPU memory) and this is with an empty document and without social media or youtube open in the browser.
>>108649335that anon here im using windows 11 home sorry for the late reply
>>108648814mint is the less gay version i guess
>>108648814They can both go, we still have the original.
>>108651988>>108649165based
>>108651988>arch btw but i update once every 2 monthsi might just switch to the lesbian distro
>>108652021>Debian is just arch butThe brain of the archtoddler.
>>108652041i know there's more differences you dolt
>>108652021theres security fixes every week or so, meaning you can still get that dopamine flush on the terminal if youre coming from arch.
>>108650969>4 Gigs of RAM or less are basically e-waste in terms of desktop computing. They work just fine when you don't use a garbage bloated OS like Windows 8 and above or Ubuntu 26.04 and above on it.
>>108648814I choose Ubuntu.Ubuntu is the quintessential Linux distro.Realistically ubuntu is the better of the two. Even if Mint undos some fuckups from ubuntu it is literally just ubuntu with a few repos added.
>>108653881i rarely go beyond 4gb here as well, but i do think less than 8gb of RAM is too little nowdays.
>>108648814Normie Linux should be destroyed. Real Linux users use Void.
>>108654187I bet you don't flavor your oatmeal either, do you, Scotsman?
>>108649335>refuses to elaborate of which crap he's usingmany such cases
>>108648814Why the fuck would I not choose Mint, the devs are even pretty fucking based
>>108654187buy an ad, leah.
>>108653881I've never used windows 8 but supposedly it's better and faster than windows 7
>>108649367because the kernel is under constant scrutiny and isn't impossible to audit
>>108648814I choose Mint. I still can use the debian version.
>>108654287why not use windows 9? it's faster than 8!
>>108648814out of those two, Mint. Ubuntu not only can go, it HAS to. It got too corposlopped for its own good. LMDE is basically just Mint without a driver/kernel manager. Nothing you can't do yourself.
>>108654287Perhaps, I meant bloated in the sense of this is when we started having duplicate applications on Windows, the classic and the metro ones doing the same things a bit different.
