Even before AI, the vast majority of programmers was already either producing useless goyslop or actively making existing software worse (see the reddit word "enshittification"). So what you should be asking is not "why is there no influx of new software?", but rather, "why is software still degrading at the same speed as before, and not 100x faster?".
But yes, I don't think that has happened yet. We'll see

>>108655361
>the vast majority of programmers was
stopped reading there

>>108655367
I am a proud ESL, and "majority" is clearly a singular noun.

>>108655380
This is how the countries of the west was wonned sir

>>108655327
>Is this true, fellow fa/g/gots?
Yes. Mainstream software that you probably know and use is now churning out new features at breakneck speed (at the cost of reliability).

>>108655439
>Mainstream software that you probably know and use
Name ten.

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>>108655367
>the dev team were
stopped reading there lmao. learn english before criticizing how others speak it, chud.

>>108655514
Bot

>>108655327
Half of X is just bots shilling AI tools, and 49% are third worlders desperately posting engagement bait.

>>108655380
I never thought about this before but I can see why it would confuse non-native speakers

>>108655637
He's correct thoughbeit

>>108655361
>why is software still degrading at the same speed as before, and not 100x faster?

It IS degrading 100x faster. We are starting to feel this with increasing downtimes, slowness and irresponsiveness all over the place.

>>108655883
>>108655637
He's wrong, it applies to "programmers" and not "majority".
Also you should kill yourself. It's cleaner that way.

>>108655327
>>108655439
>>108655479
If one person with an LLM is "100x" more productive, that means companies will cut 100x of their employees so fewer people produce the same slop at a lower price. Shareholders view cutting labor costs as the easiest way to maximize profits, not producing 100x more slop. Shareholder-driven capitalism is a race to the bottom (for the consumers).

>The majority of programmers is a single person
Biggest LOL of the day you fucking shitters get off my internet

>>108656061
Lololo enjoy unemployment. VibeGODS won

Can you imagine the glorious world in which we torture vibe coders to death over the course of several months? Just the most horrific fucking torture you can imagine. Cutting off bones over days and force-feeding them. Cutting off genitals and cooking them right in front of them. Every single time they try and resist they get beaten to a literal inch of their lives. They resist even more, and they get the lobotomy plus the beating, and then some more beating once they've recovered. Blood splatters across the room that they're forced to lick clean, lest they have their tongue dragged (with their bodies attached, if they prefer) for a ten-miles car trip.

Y'know, just no longer treat them as human beings, but as disposable garbage. And anyone who complains get the same treatment. Like the Soviet Union, but for actual chads.

>>108656291
>>108656194
>>108656061
>>108655883
>>108655514
What the fuck happened to this board?

>>108656291
I dislike vibecoders myself but jesus christ anon

>>108656315
I'm tired, and I'm tired of pretending otherwise.
Violence is the best way to either fix people, or at least to make them shut up.

Okay anons, show me any good software either vibe coded or not, that came out this year that you liked

>>108656304
>What the fuck happened to this board?
>>108656304
What the fuck happened to this board?

>>108656498
People had enough.
Y'know, like in 1861.

>>108656335
>Violence is the best way to either fix people, or at least to make them shut up.
That's largely true but I'm concerned about the unintended consequences. Once you open the gates of hell, you lose all control over where things will end up. Only if and when there is a credible threat to humanity (which I'm not ruling out) would violence be justified.

I think GSR (gossiping, shaming, rallying) is sufficient, as well as listening to music or downloading art which was not made by AI, setting up systems which allow us to verify it was made by humans, and associating with people who value the work of the human mind.

>>108656740
>Once you open the gates of hell, you lose all control over where things will end up.
Thankfully my ADHD turns me into a communist in that regard: that's a future-me problem, if any.

>I think GSR is sufficient
For normies, sure. But autists? They cannot be shamed or rallied against, otherwise GNOME wouldn't be such garbage. No, we need violence.

>>108656740
Also a purity spiral should be avoided, stuff like "you asked claude a question today? EVILLL". It alienates too many people and provokes a counterreaction like what happened with wokeism.

I place no intrinsic value on the work I consoom being "of the human mind" and very much agree we should segregate human made output from AI output, so that training future AI continues unimpeded. Think of the "creatives" as farm animals to be milked.

Literally everything is vibe coded now.
The website you're posting on? Probably has some slop code.

>>108655327
I just use it to format a bunch of tedious crap

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>>108655327
still subsidized by the way

>>108656790
Is that why thread expansion is randomly broken now?

1. Many companies had insanely bloated teams, it was a thing even before, but got insane during covid time. Imagine a team of 50 engineers which do the work which 5 guys could easily handle without breaking a sweat. People are basically cruising on autopilot. 3 months to redesign a few buttons in a web app type of shit. Then covid happens, people stuck home, their "productivity" collapses to the shitter. Yes, it became even worse, for many reasons. For every one guy whom just worked as normal (or even better) from home there would be 10-20 retards who'd fail to function. Company panic hire additional retards to prop up their collapsed productivity, ballooning those teams even more, it kinda "works out" (not really lmao, it mostly worked because some retards finally realized how to work from home) to their pre-covid shit levels. Then the free money train of covid relief stops, people start finally looking that a lot of their investments and products were shit and useless (Remember Metaverse from Faceberg? 70 billion bucks down the drain) and star slashing crap left and right. Then the market gets double teamed by AI tools. So it's not like they've made a ton of new shit (some did), but just that they've finally stopped using 100 retards for a 5 men job. Now it's 25 retards with AI and such.

2. There are in fact a fuck ton of new shit being made, with way shorter deadlines and time to market. The reason you don't notice it because you've never notice shit until it becomes popular and most of products and services don't even become popular and just die after a while. I've personally released two customer facing products, tree internal tools and generally was able to go into areas where I didn't have enough skill - I've just used those LLM to guide me through the initial bullshit and such.

>>108656059
>If one person with an LLM is "100x" more productive, that means companies will cut 100x of their employees so fewer people produce the same slop at a lower price.
This is literally what already happened, maybe not 100x, but I've seen teams shrink 10-20x and actually become more efficient because there was less bloat in communication.

>>108655597
Even HN is full of this crap. The entire Internet is basically bots promoting bots at this point.

>>108657265
It’s so bad now, I miss when they were all insufferable ‘temporarily embarrassed billionaire’ founders. I saw an X post recently
>Wut? Programming without Claude open [skull emoji]
I almost lost it, but you cannot get mad on the internet, so I just closed the window.

I'm coding multiplayer code for an open source project. Everyone's really happy about me tackling such a complex task (everyone's amateurs and I knew nothing about multiplayer code a year ago).

It works well by the way. I've always been a great bug fixer, which is arguably the most important job to be good at if using AI.

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>>108655327
startups are starting, crashing, and burning to ash in record time.
everyone else in actual corporate positions are just using it at basically the same pace as they were working before but for less effort, because they know not to rock the boat. if you go above what's expected that just becomes the new expectation.
the real hell 10x is coming when new devs finally manage to get hired in this garbage economy, and they don't know about what I just mentioned.
it's inevitable, it seems like. 996.

>>108656304
unchecked immigration and the moderation team (sourced entirely from Reddit btw) is protecting the garbage

>>108656304
you just got old howeverbeit

>>108655439
>churning out new features
Oh let me enumerate all these features.

1. Yet another AI chatslop

>>108655327
Everything new that's vibecoded is just AI middleware slop apps that nobody wants nor asked for.

>>108655327
Windows 11 is vibecoded if you couldn't tell.

>>108657798
>new devs finally manage to get hired in this garbage economy, and they don't know about what I just mentioned
Nah it's been a thing way before LLMs. I'm sure even your grand-grand-grand- fathers experienced a new hire would perform to curry favor with leadership, especially if that hire is young, and then would be taken aside and educated by seniors.

>>108655327
what do you mean where's all the stuff?
At work I completely remade the developer tools to be more flexible and efficient
At home I made several private apps and program to do various things like track my medications, track my work hours, etc. I disassembled a game for fun.
I'm sorry I didn't publish any open source aislop projects, people hate these anyway so why should I bother?

>>108655327
that response is so braindead.

>>108655439
>Mainstream software that you probably know and use is now
Is that why windows is garbage now?
I was blaming Microsoft, should I be blaming AI instead?

>>108659130
In short: another no-show.

>>108656291
you have my vote, my support, and my love.

>>108659130
>may we see them?
>no

>make aislop project public
>aislop? not gonna touch it. why did you make it public? there's milions of aislop projects, you are polluting the website

>keep aislop project private
>uh? so where are all these ai project? maybe ai is not so good uh???

both are valid statements imo btw
you make something public either to show off (and there's no point in showing off something you didn't do yourself) or to have people contribute (in which case you hopefully had llms only assist you not vibe it entirely because no one is going to chip in then)

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>>108655327
>What have you vibecoded?
a scraper for an erotic audio website
>>108655380
>>108656304

>>108655327
>What have you vibecoded?
Lua-JS FFI in the browser with webassembly
>Does it have utility?
It's not done, but it's already significantly better than the other 2 options for Lua in the browser (fengari and wasmoon) and it's not even close
>Is it demolishing jobs?
no

>>108655327
> What have you vibecoded?
I have vibe coded an imageboard and media tracker:
https://umigalaxy.com
https://umigalaxy.com/media/577-pragmata
https://umigalaxy.com/explore/general/272-ai-slop
>Does it have any utility?
No
>Is it demolishing jobs?
No

>>108655327
>It is here but I can't provide an example still
lol

>>108655327
I have zero reason to release the shit I made for my own niche within a niche within a niche problems. I'm guessing other people see it the same way.
Even if you released it the only thing that would come of it is some terminal normalfag on twitter that didn't know what an LLM is three years ago trying to dox you because you are worse than Hitler or something.

Vibecoded stuff is everywhere, the thing is that making popular software is very hard

>>108660170
>>108660293
>still no examples
lol

>>108659130
Take your meds

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>>108655327
I don't understand either side of this shit.
What FOSS has come out within the last 10 years that shook the world?
Isn't most software practically solved by now, save for the buggier bullshit middle management insists their lackeys use on a per-company basis?
Like, I don't see a boom in code languages, I don't see a boom in software development, so what are we even arguing about here?
Seems the only things left are niches of niches on an end-user to end-user basis.

For what reason would I publish code to auto-sort a certain directory within my homelab for a custom docker image? No one else would be able to use it, as its tailor-made for my personal labbing environment. I have no doubt that if anyone is using vibecoding, its mostly for people who want shortcuts to dealing with niches like these.

>>108661905
>What FOSS has come out within the last 10 years that shook the world?
Stopped reading there.

>>108660944
>haha you didn't do something you never said you'd do!
I don't know what mental illness you suffer from but I hope you get help.

>>108655327
If you're not token maxxing, then you're a chud

>>108656335
this

The only AI software I use stays local. It hardly works for my use case let alone anyone elses, and we're not even considering code quality here, just "does it actually work or not?".
And even then, this only ever works when the problem is nothing more complex than merging existing solutions. Creating new things with it is so arduous that I question if it's costing more time for lower quality versus doing it by hand.

The simple matter of fact is that if these claims were true we'd have exponential growth that would likely be massive overnight.
You have an AI that can program, and do research, and do mathematics, and sucks your dick, well great why don't you use it to improve itself? Oh it can't? But you said it was a programmer and it's a program centering around math and research.

>>108655367
>>108655380
based ESLchad putting a mutt in his place

>>108655439
>new features
Before AI we were already sick of faggot fucking software companies putting out shitty "new features" that nobody asked for, that had horrible UI/UX changes tacked on, and that only worsened the experience. Now they can do that even easier than before? It just means we're getting shittier software faster.

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>>108655637
My least favorite aspect of English is that there are hardly any English words in it. And of those words almost none of them are still used.
We make fun of people for not knowing English when 'majority' comes from French anyway.

>>108657213
>tree internal tools
Yeah, that's nit very public facing for anyone but a few botanists.

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>>108661905
>Isn't most software practically solved by now

I definitely don't think AI makes me 10 times faster. But still, in my company all potential speed gains currently get eaten up by an explosion of unnecessary tasks. Over the last 2 months we have rewritten all our code in Rust, for instance. If we hadn't done that, the code might be a bit slower and a bit less safe, but we would have already shipped this project.

>>108662272
This is how we know we don't have actual intelligent AI yet. An intelligent AI would tell you to fuck off for making it write in a tranny language.

>>108655327
>where's all the stuff?
>*vibe codes app*
>I'M NOT USING THAT VIBECODED SLOP REEEEEEEE!!!1!
You can't win with these anti AI retards.

>>108655327
we're now realizing AI solves a problem that didn't exist. The speed of software development was never an issue, and neither was the cost to develop it. There was already enough competent people who could work for a reasonable price to produce any software the world needed. The world did not need more software quicker/cheaper as the demand was already perfectly satisfied. And so we've optimized for something that will have zero benefit to anyone

>>108659130
>At home I made several private apps and program to do various things like track my medications, track my work hours, etc.
a simple excel sheet wasn't enough?
> I disassembled a game for fun.
what game

>>108663552
It has been a big marketing stunt to impress c-suite clowns, but it also is appealing to a lot of programmers who are happy to automate away boilerplate stuff. The problem lies in overuse, and there seems to be a weird feedback loop that happens when you are using LLMs that you tend to take everything to it before even thinking if you need it. Not to mention companies expecting usage.

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>>108656304
/g/ is dead, got taken over by /pol/, sharty, and braindead aishitters, I hate this place now, it's somehow worse than reddit, x and hacker news, and keeps getting worse, impressive

>>108656010
No it doesn't, you're just used to saying it wrong.

>>108655380
Basado. HOWEVER majority is a collective noun.

>>108663603
I agree about the aishitters, but you'd be retarded if you don't know why this place became full of /pol/tards. Leftists are currently running almost all of tech and most platforms engage in aggressive censorship of right-wing beliefs, so of course places like this will be full of right-wingers sick of establishment and it's censorship. If you want to be a gay tranny or a libtard you have an infinite access to places you can be. You are the privileged upper class and are afraid of having it checked by the minority underclass. Sorry not sorry

>>108664880
fuck off tourist

>>108664880
>Leftists are currently running almost all of tech and most platforms engage in aggressive censorship of right-wing beliefs
This was true 5-10 years ago but not today

>>108664880
>Leftists are currently running almost all of tech and most platforms engage in aggressive censorship of right-wing beliefs
Based.

>>108664880
>Leftists are currently running almost all of tech and most platforms engage in aggressive censorship of right-wing beliefs
You control the US government, you control Xitter, all the big tech corpos have bend the knee to you last year.
>still acts like a victim
Fucking lol

>>108655327
This just sounds like fucking cope

>>108655597
Twitter created this problem when they started paying people for engagement.

>>108655327
>What have you vibecoded?
https://gitlab.com/katabatic/infinite-lies
> Extracts and loops NieR:Automata BGM tracks from Wwise WSP containers into seamlessly looping audio files. So far, it’s only been used for the The Bunker theme.

>>108665135
You’re asking for camps?

>>108663902
keep taking LLLLZZZZZZ and crying on my shoulder son ESLs is win

I've personally made like 5 chrome extensions and a bunch of other software that I use every day
I don't even release most of it, just use it for myself
hoes mad

how can i show you youtube video ? streamable ? gif ?

i don't really want to waste my time showing what i've vibecoded if it means you just ignoring me ,i've got other things to do.
what interest you more ? are you expecting something one hundred percent functionnal with pro standards ? because i don't ,i'm gonna be honest.

>>108665586
>The Bunker
>not Battle Theme C or CD
>not Amusement Park
>not both Devola Popola Boss Themes
Get out!

>>108666036
When I’m trying to think I only have limited mental bandwidth for music
Fortress of Lies is Calm™
I would happily accept pull requests or whatever GitLab calls that kind of thing if you can figure out the timings for the other ones
I’ve been trying to nail the timing for the main green buildings and overworld music but I’m not nailing it and I gave up/did an indefinite pause after a bit

>>108658852
Absofruitly.

>>108655327
This is the tech sector
all the productivity went into tracking and ads. I have definitely bought more useless shit on Amazon post-AI

>>108655327
AI doesn't create new technology. It just lets one programmer create more of the same shit that already existed. it is literally brute force programming that runs 10^6 slower.

>>108666532
>it is literally brute force programming that runs 10^6 slower.

not true for everything.If you ask ai for shit in C or C++ ,performance wise you'll be better than most apps written with a gc or what else.

>>108659130
>you wouldn't know her she goes to a different school

> What have you vibecoded?
Stuff and things
>Does it have any utility?
Does the electric drill have any more utility over the manual drill?
>Is it demolishing jobs?
Not if we can keep corpos unaware how to actually use it.

>>108664880
retards like you are permanently stuck in 2016, it's a chud internet and you're still crying over shit you make up just to get mad. Never stop the maddening, keep the rage going, everyone around you is the enemy, leftards are everywhere and they are raping all of your potential wives and replacing the white race. All you can do is observe all of this happen from the cuck chair you're currently sitting on. The only thing you can do to protect yourself is to post some other retarded bullshit, thank god, because otherwise the only alternative would be the rope

>>108666622
>it's a chud internet
DAMN FUCKING STRAIGHT IT IS

>>108666622
Oh, god, the rest of your reply is some weird whining.

>>108666622

future don't look bright for your kind.What's funny for me is that i would probably get more along with non-whites than you'll ever do because you're just another pussy who never stepped outside of your white-bourgeois bubble.
Maybe Marx was right ,after all when you're a prolo ,you're one no matter the race and prolos don't like fucking faggots.Sorry not sorry.

>>108666622
brownest post of the day

>>108662256
Actually from Latin. English is beautiful and if you dont love it you can leave it. But you wont because it is the tongue of the whole world.

>>108663576
>a simple excel sheet wasn't enough?
It is for me, but an AI coded a UI for me based on it and I enjoyed the process as well as the outcome. Then I had the AI fix the formulas in the spreadsheet and make a dark mode for it.

>>108666548
The C and C++ will be riddled with security issues though. AI is objectively terrible at C, C++ and Zig.

>>108655327
No, nothing, no and no.