Posted somewhat about this the other day but I'm genuinely curious about why people are justifying Mac nowadays.I'm an OG Mac user. My parents were creatives that used Mac g3s and g5s for creative work, mainly adobe products in the cs1 phase (the product before the cloud based subscription service it is now).I will list my grievances.>The hardware architecture has switched to arm which is incompatible with a lot of things, there is a translation system but it seems inferior to running things on pure x86 hardware. Arm has been and always will be geared towards iot solutions which have kinda failed but may have a resurgence in the AI based world we are living in.>'creatives' swear by apple silicon arm when in fact the reality is adobe hardcodes compatibility with apple arm systems while leaving the windows ecosystem reliant on cuda cores (workstation grade hardware necessary for 3d acceleration) in the dust> You can't install 3rd party mainstays without programs being flagged as malware (see libreoffice and the fact all files saved by it get flagged as malware)>Mac as an ecosystem tying everything to an account and deleted all your shit the moment you unlink it>>Hardware issues >Keyboards are shit>No actual USB ports so you need dongles or port hubs>High res small screen that makes text smaller unless you have an external display >Computer bricks itself the moment the battery dies and refuses to work solely off offshore power bricks.It's all CRAP!
Shitposting my shit.Installed libre office for my mom on her new Mac, flags ever docx file as malware. People say the solution is to use this abomination of a program which is ugly word for toddlers. Great advice!
Heckin cool feature I'm so glad apple is flagging docx files opened by libreoffice as malware!!!
>>108655569What is the alternative?Nothing really comes close as an overall package. Compared to the MacBook Air for general use most the alternatives have really serious/glaring flaws e.g. still have a fan built in or absolutely dogshit diving board trackpad so you need to bring a mouse.
>>108655641Maybe I'm built a bit different but I really don't see the need to have a portable computer unless you're a nomad living out of a car. Why not network into a workstation and have a computer, mouse, and keyboard that is usable? Just doesn't make sense to me to have a battery powered laptop with paper thin keys and a 14 inch screen in any situation
Macs are toys for clowns. Gay clowns. Gay clown babies. I fucking hate these retarded machines. Just using a mac is like touching the sphere of stupidity from spongebob. It literally dumbs you down. That's why only retarded people love these things.>but engineers use them!You can be smart in one field and be retarded everywhere else. The only reason to use these fagbricks is because you live in an IDE and never have to interact with the OS anyway. Fuckin hate these literal pieces of shit so goddamn much. I'm forced to use an imac at work at the fucking USB-C ports are actually inverted PCIe slots that break if you unplug anything. So if my 2nd monitor goes to sleep, that counts as the USB-C to HDMI adapter being "unplugged" so the entire fucking port shits itself and fucking dies until I reboot. Literal actual retards fucking design these things.
>>108655700u mad
I do research and I got a macbook pro M4 for free from my university, my first Apple product ever. It's pretty comfy: it's lightweight, with a good screen and a good battery life. I need to switch desk often because meetings, lectures and stuff to do on the fly. If I need extra power, I just SSH into my university cluster and train models there, or VS tunnel to my desktop PC. Plus, in my free time I make music with Logic Pro from my bed renewing the trial every three months, without the need to plugging the AC for extra power. For gaming I have my desktop PC with a 4090, but I use the mac for everything else. I like it, but I still want my PC at home. Way better than my old laptop btw, which destroyed my back every day, it required the AC plugged for heavy stuff and it had shitty battery life
>>108655672Loads and loads of situations. Take it to friends house, work, conference, on a plane, on a train, on holiday, use it in bed, use it on the sofa etcI have a thunderbolt monitor (charging+display+mouse+external ports through one cable) at home but I'd guess about half the time I use it it's not plugged in.The screen sucks vs an external monitor (due to size/ergonomics) but the keyboard is good and the trackpad is exceptional, even at home I only use a mouse for gaming. It's also nice how little desk space it takes up.
>>108655569I am currently using a Razer Orochi (a Bluetooth mouse that operates on AA batteries) along with a Logitech K400 (a keyboard that includes a trackpad). Both devices perform excellently on the latest Tahoe for me.The Apple Silicon architecture is genuinely superior; 10-20W TDP while watching 4K videos and multitasking. On my conventional desktop, the graphics card alone would draw around 40W, excluding the CPU's consumption.For example of small feature I like, downloaded a few audiobooks, and on any other system, I would need to install some third-party software that is often filled with malware. However, on macOS, I simply copied the files into the native Books app, which has a good indexing feature that allows for the creation of sections by author/book, it also remembers which time you paused last time on each audiobook. Such small conveniences are what keep me using macOS. They have added few features with Tahoe, including the option to completely hide the top menu bar in desktop mode. The only downside is liquid ass, but hopefully we will move on from it and go back to professional UI, UX is still the same as previous version of macOS.
>>108655732>Logic ProAbleton is superior for making music, try it fren. You can even find cracked version, but mac related cracked software has a lot of malware these days so make sure to run every file through virustotal.
>>108655569its cheap and fast i can leave it on for months at a time without needing a rebootits got bash and ssh built inalso very important: its not afflicted by microsoft rent seekers who are constantly trying to monetise me
>>108655569>ARM is the best platform for laptops hands down>MacOS isn't good, it's just the least bad. Windows is too enshittified and linux is too janky>coming from linux, all of the cli stuff I'm used to just werks>has the best screens, battery life, and build quality of any laptop idk about the mini pc market and how it stacks up to desktops but if you need a laptop the m series macs are good. t. got a 16gb ram m1 macbook air
>>108655569>My parents were creativesStopped reading
>>108655569People want them now for unified ram for running LLMs
this thread keeps being spammed daily
>>108655886fucking kek I did the exact same thing
>>108655569they look like a powerful and efficient mini server to me. I want one but I like podman a lot, maybe should just get one and setup a linux VM inside.
>>108655569MacBook Neo is the best laptop you can get for 500 dollars. I use iMessage as a free, zero maintenance way to send commands to my home from anywhere using my phone.
>>108655569I bought a macbook because it has a metal enclosure that looks good. I noticed that no guy with mabook in my uni was single. I'm not sure if it is corelation or causation.
>>108655569>The hardware architecture has switched to arm which is incompatible with a lot of things, there is a translation system but it seems inferior to running things on pure x86 hardware.Literally the only thing you'll have a problem with is old 32-bit x86 programs, most of which aren't an issue unless you're gaming (in which case run it in a Win11 ARM VM and Prism will handle it just fine) and a VERY tiny subset of "video games that rely on determinism and have floating point math that was designed for janky Intel CPUs". Otherwise there's no problem.Most productivity software you'd use on a Mac gets native ARM builds that run better than x86. The remaining software is usually 64-bit x86 that runs fine in CrossOver or via Rosetta.Use cases for macOS, for me personally:BlenderDoricoCubaseIllustratorPhotoshopCLion
>>108655569>The hardware architecture non-issue> You can't install 3rd party mainstays without programs being flagged as malware (see libreoffice and the fact all files saved by it get flagged as malware)just ignore the flag>Mac as an ecosystem tying everything to an account and deleted all your shit the moment you unlink itjust don't use the ecosystem>>Hardware issues >Keyboards are shitthis is universally the case. get a good mechanical keyboard>No actual USB ports so you need dongles or port hubswho cares>High res small screen that makes text smaller unless you have an external display who the fuck complains about a display being better? just scale things up in settings>Computer bricks itself the moment the battery dies and refuses to work solely off offshore power bricks.haven't had this problem
>>108655569>all my apps that i used from before the arm migration existed got universal binary updates>macos is just good>yes i can install whatever i want, and no files don't "get flagged as malware" that's not how macos works. not an issue in the 20 years of mac use i've had>"everything is tied to an account, deletes everything if you unlink" this is objectively wrong, it even asks you if you want to keep data when you unlink icloud and it's 100% optional OP you should kill yourself
>>108658697OP is bringing up hardware issues from before the ARM macs. Including the butterfly keyboard. None of the hardware issues they listed are relevant to current day Mac usage.
>>108655569>I'm genuinely curious about why people are justifying Mac nowadaysApple products are considered a status symbol by low and middle class. People buy it literally just because apple tells them to. Apple marketing is sick and manipulative.
>>108655603>>108655582>OP mysteriously silentApple faggots are literally incapable of standing up to criticism.
I recently bought a Mac Mini M4.To me it seems like it's better for efficiency, it makes no noise, it doesn't melt, better for LLMs, better for creative stuff.I ran Affinity on it and it's much faster than on Windows. If most applications similar to this perform the same I can understand why an artfag would actually desire this. Office sucks dick, but if I wanted to make a simple document with lots of tables and pictures honestly Pages is a lot more straightforward about shit. I can plant any element wherever I please on a page. I can basically draw on it instead of having weird fucking boundaries like I do on Word where it takes a while to find out why X has margins where it shouldn't or some shit moved around and now it's a whole fucking mess. Of course it's less featureful as a result.Browsers run like shit. Big gripe for me, only Safari, which is its own thing that doesn't run anywhere else, runs fine on macOS. Chrome runs like crap. Firefox is even worse (somehow I got it to a better point).One of my biggest gripes though, external monitors/scaling. Holy shit. They weren't kidding when they said you need a fucking 5k monitor for this. 1440p is a fucking disaster. I have to run a freemium program -and- disable font smoothing for it to be just about 3 times blurrier than Windows (and with some artifacts). I have lots of applications that think I'm running a 5k monitor, when I'm not, and as a result apply either weird filtering or eat up performance like crazy. It is somehow also impossible to enable adaptive sync reliably because half of the time when turning on this little fucker, it's disabled again. And when it's enabled, it works only on a few select applications, so it's almost worthless (oh and it only works through USB-C to DP, forget about HDMI, I figured out the hard way). Also using a mouse kinda sucks on this. This application, linear mouse, fixes a lot of gripes with it, but it makes the mouse have somehow more latency.
>Yeah I'm a casual Mac user that's used it my whole life, my parents are hippies who use GarageBand, here are my totally real grievances>I don't like the chip architectureCan autists hear themselves? Lmfao. Back to your linux containment thread.
>>108655569Im not a macfag so obviously, for LLM fitting the united memoryalso if I have to deploy my shit to all platforms, mac shit can only be compiled on mac machine so that's that.
>>108655569work, it's far more stable than windows, when you lose hours of work the switch to mac is easily made. the newer macs are very capable and idle at extreme low watt.my 12900k with 3080 idles 90w at the socket, while my m1 ultra does 12w.if mac silicon had viable linux options i'd probably use them for non-work as well, sadly it's been a shitshow. asahi is nowhere near viable, and it's the only group even trying.
>>108655804ableton is terrible
macs have:>soldered SSD/RAM/WLANdoesnt exist on 99% of PCs>when pajeetOS runs out of RAM it swapfile rapes the SSD to death within 3 yearsdoesnt exist on 99% of PCs>when the SSD dies it bricks your entire currybook because the EFI is stored on the soldered SSD to save $0.05 on a dedicated chipdoesnt exist on 99% of PCs>components serial numbered and tied to the motherboard to prevent repair and replacement (including battery)doesnt exist on 99% of PCs>riveted keyboard that requires total destruction of the chassis to replacedoesnt exist on 99% of PCs>flexgate cables that are so brittle they crack from opening your screen past 90 degrees more than 2 dozen timesdoesnt exist on 99% of PCs>screens so fucking shit they have over 90ms response times (essentially 10Hz)doesnt exist on 99% of PCs>screen made from pajeet trash glass that cracks from temperature change in seasons or tape over the iBotnet webcamdoesnt exist on 99% of PCs>so fire and explosion prone the FAA have banned them from all flightsdoesnt exist on 99% of PCs>uses phone CPU that's so shit it gets destroyed by decade old i3s from 2017 and can only "compete" by cheating at benchmarks in extreme edge cases with hardware acceleratorsdoesnt exist on 99% of PCs>curryniggers at apploo get so full of sniffing their own currynigger silicon shit they ship currybooks with no fans and they run so hot they melt the keyboard keysdoesnt exist on 99% of PCs>keyboards with 63.5% failure rateunheard of on PCs, and yet you curryniggers defend it with "jus werx fer me!"just because you're in the 36.5% survivor group doesn't make your currynigger trash any goodthis list goes on foreverthere's no PC laptop as total fucking currynigger shit as crapple's streetshitter booksthey are the biggest heaps of steaming currynigger shit in the history of computing second only to curryPhones
>>108662527>work, it's far more stable than windowsand linux. >neckbeard decides to push a new release of something>breaks your shit>usecase for having your meaningless work continue to work?done with that
>>108658985>>108655582apple doesn't make antivirus
>>108662527>work, it's far more stable than windows, when you lose hours of work the switch to mac is easily made.Depends on what work and what line of work, but that goes for any OS I guess.In my particular case I'm a wagie and I have to use what I have to use. I have no option than to use some software that only runs through Parallels and to me honestly, charging 200 bucks for a license that breaks itself after a mac version update is kinda nuts. I don't care if I didn't pay for it, I'd still see it as unethical.
>I'm an OG Mac user. My parents were creativesStopped reading. You have a child's view of computers. A mac is a computer. Your stupid preconceptions about "creatives" is a result of falling for gay marketing. Here are some of the main reasons why people will choose a mac computer:>You don't have to use windows OS, which gets shittier every year>You also don't have to install linux yourself>They have a reputation for being stable and getting out of the way so you can do your work (although that is getting less true over time as all software from all companies gets worse due to a loss of skill and knowledge, society is collapsing due to a loss of knowledge, check out the Jonathan Blow video titled Preventing the Collapse of Civilization for more info)Again all the shit about "creatives" is gay marketing and you are genuinely retarded for fixating on it like an angry little autist.
>>108663088>Again all the shit about "creatives" is gay marketingPart of it is, part of it isn't. For some reason a lot of these proprietary tools specially by Adobe but other companies as well like Serif (well, Canva now) perform considerably better. There's no Windows PC where Adobe Acrobat DC isn't a sluggish piece of shit. Of course that depends on the software itself. Sure there's some alternatives out there, some even free, that run better on Windows. Or linux. The point is this their target. If this is marketing and it works, it works for them. They get more customers through that platform which means they dedicate more time and effort in that platform which means it's better for that kind of public which helps the marketing claim. Most of these programs don't exist or cannot be reliably used on linux precisely because that's not where the money is and people aren't sold it's "for creatives", quite the opposite in fact. Marketing alone does quite a bit of heavy lifting.
>>108655569Didn't read your grievances.> genuinely curious about why people are justifying Mac Because cheap. Get used M2 if it's under 350. It is dirt cheap, but works. Reliable enough. Although it is strange how it can be not 100% reliable. Bugs here and there. Maybe due to Tahoe being a bit new. But yeah, same with that Neo machine.It. Is. Cheap.
>>108663212>It. Is. Cheap.Until they find out that half of the programs or functions they used to enjoy for free on Windows/Linux are locked behind a paywall of little third party apps.
>>108663287If it exists free as in beer for Linux, you can likely build it for mac as well.
>>108655569I'll bite>switched to arm which is incompatible with a lot of thingsStop using severely outdated software>but it seems inferior to running things on pure x86 hardwarerosetta2 works fine>You can't install 3rd party mainstays without programs being flagged as malware (see libreoffice and the fact all files saved by it get flagged as malware)Wrong. Also the Libreoffice thing was a rare one off issue>Mac as an ecosystem tying everything to an account and deleted all your shit the moment you unlink itYou just need an apple account and you dont even need to enter your address and verify your phone number, unlike google>Hardware issues Citation needed>Keyboards are shitSkill issue, keyboards are fine>No actual USB ports so you need dongles or port hubsMeans no port on the device itself will ever break, as is the case with a lot of other laptops>High res small screen that makes text smaller unless you have an external display Only if you manually disable default display scaling>Computer bricks itself the moment the battery dies and refuses to work solely off offshore power bricks.Computer refuses the work if the battery is empty? Shocking!tldr git gud
>>108655569>Arm has been and always will be geared towards iot solutionscan we kill all these retarded tech illiterates? holy shit no wonder you're ann itoddler
>>108655569From my perspective as a civil engineer stuck with Windows. The good parts:>Supposedly just works, no need to worry about choosing the right hardware>The desktops are small and out of the way which I like, and the laptops are well-made too.>Unified Memory means you can run big LLMsThis is all I can think of that's good. The bad:>Cannot run the software I use for my work (this is the deal breaker to me)>Cannot run VNs and games>OS is meh to use, though that's scarcely a con for anybody with a brain>Apparently if you use anything less than 5K for the monitor you will run into issues, you need a minimum of 4K for things to look sharp but the UI will be the wrong size
>>108663623>Apparently if you use anything less than 5K for the monitor you will run into issues, you need a minimum of 4K for things to look sharp but the UI will be the wrong sizeAny visual/animation/resize bugs, or just wrong size?>>108662936>phone CPU that's so shit it gets destroyed by decade old i3s from 2017 and can only "compete" by cheating at benchmarks in extreme edge cases with hardware acceleratorsAre you sure about that?
>>108663662>Any visual/animation/resize bugs, or just wrong size?No, you just get a bigger UI.
>>108663669Weird. I use it with 1080p actually. It's fine.Although mine is some moderately fancy samsung that can communicate, changes brightness like it's laptop display etc.
>>108663623>Cannot run the software I use for my work (this is the deal breaker to me)Same.Well technically, I could. But over Parallels with weird scaling issues. In fact yes, anything under 5K and above 1080p is a bit of a crapshoot. I'm used to 125% scaling on both Windows and Linux. What I do on macOS at the moment, is run an application everyone and his mother uses called BetterDisplay, enable hiDPI mode (which essentially renders everything at twice the resolution selected) and select what would be the equivalent of 125% (which oddly enough is twice 2048x1152). Which makes fonts blurry, so I need to disable font smoothing manually. That resolution with hiDPI fucks with Parallels.
>>108664073My hope is that Microsoft somehow shits the bed so badly that Autodesk feels compelled to properly port their shit to macOS. Then I'll be free.
>>108664267It's definitely getting there, no matter how much people screech about it.
>>108655569here's the use case:>need some mainstream software>windows sucks ballsta-da
iTODDLERS BTFO
